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There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Krystal Generation (who were they?)
           From: Louis Wendruck 
      2. Has Anyone Ever Noticed...
           From: Mark Hill 
      3. Re: "Telstar" with Words / Margie Singleton, etc.
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      4. Re: "Telstar" with Words
           From: thirteen_eagle 
      5. Re: Ramona (and Cleo) King
           From: Mick Patrick 
      6. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
           From: Martin Roberts 
      7. Re: "Telstar" with Words
           From: S.J. Dibai 
      8. Re: "Telstar" with Words
           From: ACJ 
      9. Re: "Telstar" with Words by "Kenny Hollywood" (Geoff Goddard)?
           From: mantanhattan 
     10. Re: Carole King's "A Man Without A Dream" demo
           From: "snap07801" 
     11. upcoming fun in Gnashville
           From: Al Kooper 
     12. Re: Everly Brothers - The Ferris Wheel / Lord of the Manor..
           From: Mike McKay 
     13. Quincy & Lesley
           From: Gary Myers 
     14. Re: This Diamond Demo
           From: Al Kooper 
     15. Re: Krystal Generation
           From: Simon White 
     16. Re: Danny Williams -- Whose Little Girl Are You
           From: Steve T. Brewer 
     17. Re: Pitney & Sedaka
           From: Al Kooper 
     18. Happy Christmas Richard Williams
           From: Eddy 
     19. Paul Simon - early years
           From: Stefan Wriedt 

Message: 1 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:00:39 -0000 From: Louis Wendruck Subject: Re: Krystal Generation (who were they?) In case any of you are wondering, who is the group "Krystal Generation," here is some info about them: The lead singer of "Krystal Generation" was Joyce Smith and other members were Darlene Arnold, Mary Shelley and Mary Lead. "Krystal Generation" members were from Chicago, Illinois, and were a part of Simtec & Wylie's road show. They had eight single releases on four different labels. Their first 2 releases were on T-Box Records: 1.) "Good Man" b/w "I've Got to Leave Him" 2.) "I'm Gonna Build" b/w "Hard Knot to Swallow" Simtec & Wylie's T-Box Records was named after the Tea Boxes Band that backed the revue on the road. Fred White, Maurice's brother, was part of the Simtec & Wylie revue before leaving to join his brothers in Earth, Wind & Fire. Pamela Moffett, who later collaborated with Smokey Robinson and Eugene Record, co-wrote "Good Man." They also released the same song on Buddah Records: 3.) "Good Man" b/w "I've Got to Leave Him" Buddah 123 The next release was on TwiNight Records: 4.) "Is It Meant to Be" b/w "Satisfied" (1970) Twinight 138 Their next three singles were on Gene Chandler's Mr. Chand Records: 5.) "Wanted Dead or Alive" (1971) Mister Chand 8006 6.) "Please Stop Don't Walk Out" and "Where Does Love Go," 7.) "Ain't No Way To Live" (1972) Mister Chand 8012 Their last release was on CMC Records: 8.) "Wonderful World" b/w "You Were Never Mine" CMC 301 This information should be credited to Andrew Hamilton of All Music Guide. I have these singles: "Good Man" b/w "I've Got to Leave Him" Buddah 123 "Wanted Dead or Alive" (1971) Mister Chand 8006 "Ain't No Way To Live" (1972) Mister Chand 8012 I am looking for these singles: "I'm Gonna Build" b/w "Hard Knot to Swallow" T-Box "Is It Meant to Be" b/w "Satisfied" (1970) Twinight 138 "Please Stop Don't Walk Out" and "Where Does Love Go" Mister Chand "Wonderful World" b/w "You Were Never Mine" CMC 301 Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Louis Wendruck in Los Angeles, California -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:27:31 -0400 From: Mark Hill Subject: Has Anyone Ever Noticed... Has Anyone noticed...??? The theme from TV's "HIGH CHAPPARAL" (NBC Western. 09-67 to 09-71), sounds just like THE TORNADOS- "Telstar" (01-62) Produced by Joe Meek. Could there be any connection??? HIGH CHAPPARAL is currently running Saturdays at NOON on The Hallmark Channel (Time Warner CH. 23) Here's what happened. It was just on the TV in the background, I was at my PC and not paying attention to it at all. Then I noticed I was humming "Telstar" and wondered "why?" Then the CHAPPERAL theme music came on again and almost knocked me out of my chair. "Dr. Mark" Hill * The Doctor Of Pop Culture -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:32:00 EDT From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Re: "Telstar" with Words / Margie Singleton, etc. Margaret, I do not have the version of Telstar you refer to but the most played vocal version in our area (I noticed the Bellsouth web company) was recorded by Margie Singleton on Mercury 72079. It was probably recorded in Nashville as Mercury's Nashville branch was very hot then with artists like Ray Stevens. Margie Singleton had her own group of studio singers (infact the sing backgrounds on the Ray Stevens hits). She had five chart hits on the country chart, but magic Star was not one of them. I remember when Magic Star was first issued (about the same time as the Tornadoes instruumental) and it had a Edie Gorme type sound. Margie Singleton is probably best known for her biggest hit she did not have. Story goes she ask Tom T Hall to write a song for her like Ode To Billy Joe. He wrote Harper Valley PTA, and gave it to Shelby Singleton (who is some relation to Margie) anyway Margie was out of town at the time and Shelby recorded it with Jennie C Riley. Margie eventually cut it and it appeared on an album by that name on Pickwick. That's probably more than you wanted to know about Margie Singleton, a real talented lady that has been overlooked. Bobby Rydell, did a version that was only issued on an album. I have that version and I think it is the same basic lyric as the Margie Singleton. I also have a German version of the lyrics, even though I do not understand German. But most of the versions I have are instrumental. Magic Star is not in the BMI on line so I don't know who would be credited as the author of the lyric. Paul Urbahns in Kentucky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:45:38 -0000 From: thirteen_eagle Subject: Re: "Telstar" with Words I dug up my copy of "Magic Star (Tel Star)" by Margie Singleton on Mercury and the only songwriting credit is to Joe Meek - or, as the label reads, "(Joe-Meek)". Bill Justis arranged it in a nice sort of spacey-lite fashion. Did anybody else record the vocal version? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:55:25 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Ramona (and Cleo) King Dave O: > Many years ago I remember seeing a 45 of the song Oriental > Garden by Ramona King. I seem to recall the songwriting credit > as "C. King". Didn't think too much of it at the time, but now > with all the chatter about Carole King's demos, (all delightful, > by the way), does anyone know if Carole was the writer on this > single? And as long as I'm asking, does anyone have any > background on Ramona King? Thanks... We've been here before. I searched the S'pop Forum Archives and found the message below. In short, "C. King" isn't Carole King, but a man named Cleo King, Jr. Hey la, Mick Patrick ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Phil Milstein: > Anyone know of any pix of or b.g. info on Ramona King? > > Me: > Ramona King has always seemed a bit of a mystery figure, despite > her lengthy recording career. See my attempt at a discography > below - additions and corrections very gratefully received. The > only picture of her that I have ever seen is on her hideously rare > 4 track French Warner Bros EP of 1964. And I only have a small > illustration of that item in a book. Her full name was Ramona Ruth > King and she wrote many of her own songs, frequently with one Cleo > King Jr, perhaps her brother or husband? She also co-wrote one of > Sugar Pie De Santo's sides. A West Coast artist, many of her 45s > are quite marvellous. "Oriental Garden", for example, arranged by > Jack Nitzsche for Lee Hazlewood's Eden logo, is to die for. "What > About You", on the same label, was also recorded by the Cannon > Sisters and Charlotte O'Hara - it's hard to choose between the > three versions. Ramona's version of "It's In His Kiss" falls > between the original by Merry Clayton and Betty Everett's hit > rendition. Again, it's a tough call to choose a favourite of the > three. Jerry Riopell(e) was her producer at Warner Bros. It's > tempting to assume that it was these great records which brought > him to the attention of Phil Spector. I have no evidence to support > my theory that Ramona is related to Clydie King, just a gut feeling. > As many of you know, I named my pet cat after Ramona. > > Ramona King Discography > > Ramona King & Cleo: > Dream On/Soul Mate (Arvee 5041, 1961) > > Ramona King: > Oriental Garden/Soul Mate (Eden 3, 1962) > Mind Reader/What About You (Eden 5, 1963) > Ballyhoo/I Wanna Dance (Eden 6, 1963) > It's In His Kiss/It Couldn't Happen To A Nicer Guy (Warner Bros 5416, 1964) > You Say Pretty Words/Blue Roses (Warner Bros 5432, 1964) > Run Johnny Run/It Couldn't Happen To A Nicer Guy (Warner Bros 5452, 1964) > Hey Everybody/Make The Night A Little Longer (Warner Bros 5602, 1965) > Stay Away From The Fire/What Have I Got To Cry About (Amy 989, 1967) > Everybody Knows/It's You That I Want (Action 1053) > A Few Years Later/I Choose You (Soul Set 104, 1975) > > Sugar Pie De Santo: > That Lovin' Touch (Brunswick 55375, 1968) > Written by Peylia Parham (aka Sugar Pie De Santo) and Ramona King -------------------------------------------------------------------- PS: Ramona (the cat) R.I.P. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:51:44 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update Oh Happy Day... Bob Celli has been at it again. He has written a great piece for the Fans Reviews page detailing Jack Nitzsche's work with Bobby Vee: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/fansreviews.htm#bobbyvee That's not all. One of the tracks they recorded together, "Like Someone In Love" was never released. Bob's agreed to it being featured on the Home page as the Record Of The Week. He describes it as a "wall of sound" arrangement. Check it out at: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm My tip last week to listen to "Little Steven's Underground Garage" radio tribute to Jack Nitzsche may have got buried within our avalanche of postings. Not to worry, visit "On The Radio" for info on downloading from Little Steven's site. Also featured is a cool email flyer and jingle for the show: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm#littlesteven Martin PS While on the Home page listening to "Like Someone In Love", checkout the 'Coming Soon' box. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 21:20:34 -0000 From: S.J. Dibai Subject: Re: "Telstar" with Words thirteen_eagle wrote: > I dug up my copy of "Magic Star (Tel Star)" by Margie Singleton > Did anybody else record the vocal version? Yep. Bobby Rydell did it on one of those Cameo "All The Hits" albums. I can't remember which one right now, but it's available on the bootleg CD "That Old Black Magic," from Famous Groove Records. It's actually quite good! S.J. Dibai -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:42:56 -0400 From: ACJ Subject: Re: "Telstar" with Words I have a Mercury single of "Magic Star" by Margie Singleton (country singer & wife of label prez Shelby Singleton). It also credits the writing only to Joe Meek. ACJ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:41:00 -0000 From: mantanhattan Subject: Re: "Telstar" with Words by "Kenny Hollywood" (Geoff Goddard)? Margaret G. Still wrote: > Could somebody tell me if this demented version of "Telstar" with > words by "Kenny Hollywood" is sung by Geoff Goddard (sounds like > the voice in "Starman" to me) and whether it is produced by Joe Meek? Roy Clough: > When Joe decided to release a vocal version of 'Telstar' he turned > to Kenny Hollywood. Who was Kenny Hollywood? No one knows for > certain though one theory purports that it was a young Marc Bolan. > Whoever it was, the song, 'Magic Star', was a resounding flop. I can post my copy of this single - a dj copy, unavailable on CD to my knowledge - if anyone is interested. I thought it sounded a lot like some of the Geoff Goddard tracks that used to be available on one of the Joe Meek sites. It would be very cool if this "Kenny Hollywood" turned out to be Marc Bolan, however. I'd like for others to hear it and judge. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:53:06 -0000 From: "snap07801" Subject: Re: Carole King's "A Man Without A Dream" demo Mick Patrick: > ... Carole King demos ... All being well, more will follow. > Does anyone have any special requests? Peter Richmond: > What about that brilliant song "A Man Without A Dream"... Mick: > You're in luck. Thanks to Mike Carter, Carole King's original > demo of this magnificent song is available and is now playing > at musica: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ > There'll be a rush to listen to the track, no doubt. Yahoo have > imposed new limits, so if you can't get to hear it one day, > please be patient and try again the next. With any luck, our pal > Don H. will furnish us with a complete list of all known recorded > versions. Okay. This is one of my favorite G/K tunes. Reminds me a bit of "People Get Ready" by Curtis Mayfield. There are not too many versions of MWAD that I know about. The best (imho) is The City. Danny Kortchmar on leads and Carole King on backgrounds. I think they nailed it. Righteous Bros version is probably the most well known, or the Monkees, who come far from nailing it. For those of you with the "Goin' Back" comp, it is by Long John Baldry. Also The Mauds, Ben E. King and Lovelace Watkins. I've done a lot of research and these are the only ones I know of. I think my all-time favorite G/K number is "No Easy Way Down". I thought I was told by someone that the demo is exactly the same as the version on "Writer". Don H. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 22:53:41 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: upcoming fun in Gnashville FROM THE GNASHVILLE PAPER: Al Kooper joins the Long Players in celebrating one of rock'n'roll's most influential records... originally recorded right here in Nashville. Rumors persist that there may be some more special guests who also played on the original album! THE LONG PLAYERS PRESENT..... Bob Dylan's "Blonde on Blonde" THURSDAY, JULY 22 12th & PORTER - 9pm - $15 The Band / Long Players are : Bill Lloyd (guitar), Steve Allen (guitar), Garry Tallent (bass), Al Kooper (organ), John Deaderick (piano), Steve Ebe (drums) GUEST VOCALISTS Rainy Day Women #12 & #35 : Warren Pash Pledging My Time : Phil Lee Visions Of Johanna : Bobby Bare Jr. One of Us Must Know (Sooner Or Later): Newton Dominy I Want You : Mark Germino Stuck Inside of Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again : Tracy Nelson Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat : Al Kooper Just Like A Woman : Adrian Belew Most Likely You Go Your Way... : Jason Ringenberg Temporary Like Achilles : Will Kimbrough Absolutely Sweet Marie : Bob Develante 4Th Time Around : Richard Ferrera Obviously Five Believers : John Jorgenson Sad-Eyed Lady.. : Everyone takes a partial verse "It's the culmination of Dylan's electric rock & roll period - he would never release a studio record that rocked this hard, or had such bizarre imagery, ever again." Stephen Thomas Erlewine, ALLMUSIC.COM -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:22:05 EDT From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Everly Brothers - The Ferris Wheel / Lord of the Manor.. JJ wrote: > Just got the 93 Double Set on Warner Archives; WALK RIGHT BACK - The > Everly Brothers on Warner Bros. 1960-1969.........and what a BLUNDER > they made by not including the AWESOME 64 45, "The Ferris Wheel" > (which must be rated as one their FINEST MOMENTS!).... I've always liked this song, too, and I can remember Dan Ingram playing it on WABC in the summer of 1964. But according to the EB biography I read recently, The Everly Brothers themselves didn't care for it. So that may be why it wasn't included in the compilation. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:07:54 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Quincy & Lesley Previously: > Speaking of Quincy Jones, isn't it funny how since he became a hero > in black American music, he never talks about producing huge hits > for a certain teenage white girl from New Jersey? Lesley Gore *was* one of the guests on some TV tribute show to him a few years ago (or something like that). gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:01:18 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: This Diamond Demo Previously on S'pop: > Then, on to Al Kooper's great demos! "This Diamond Ring" was a > revelation to me! Had no idea it was originally planned for the > Platters. Certainly, Jimmy Radcliffe did a great job giving it the > Platters sound. Uhhhhh....I'm glad you enjoyed it but it was The Drifters we were romancing. I would NEVER get in Buck Ram's way........ Driftin' Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:31:31 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Krystal Generation Louis Wendruck writes: > Does anyone have any photos of the group "Krystal Generation" or > any of their singles? I have the 45 "Wanted Dead Or Alive"/"Everyman Seems To Be For Himself" on Gene Chandler's "Mister Chand" label here, Louis (8006). If you need any more info or a scan, get back to me offlist. Never seen a photo of the group and know nothing about them I'm afraid. There are versions of that song by The Voices Of East Harlem and The Hypnotics, which is retitled "Beware Of The Stranger". I have seen reference to the Krystal Generation 45 above under that title too though but I've never seen the actual 45. Simon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:20:07 -0000 From: Steve T. Brewer Subject: Re: Danny Williams -- Whose Little Girl Are You Don, On the album "Danny Williams" -Deram 1017 (UK) 1968, the notes say that Danny wrote "Who's little girl.." with his road manager and close friend Gil King. It's a good album too with an early version of Bacharach/David's "This guy's in love with you" (hit for Herb Alpert) but here it was entitled "That guy's in love" .. different lyrical perspective and much better imo. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 04:05:18 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Pitney & Sedaka Matt Spero: > I have always wondered about this. . . . almost all of Gene Pitney's > recordings are stereo and this one falls right in the time frame that > it should be stereo as well. So what's the story here Al? P.S. I > always thought this recording has a kind of muffeled sound to it. Yeah, muffled right into the top ten. It was a demo and they went back one generation and removed Neil's lead and popped in Gene's. No way to make it stereo, though.... Al "I LOVE stereo" Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:08:16 -0000 From: Eddy Subject: Happy Christmas Richard Williams Phil X Milstein wrote: > Also spotted in my recent readings, this time in David Thompson's > recent Phil Spector bio "Wall Of Pain," mentions one of our own in > a most intriguing context. Referring to Spector's production of > John & Yoko's "Happy XMas (War Is Over)," Thompson writes: > > "With the recording complete, John and Yoko, Spector, the musicians, > the choir, the engineers, even the studio secretaries and watching > journalist Richard Williams, were gathered around the plastic > Christmas tree that John had erected in the studio. Photos were taken, > a short film was shot, and when everybody spontaneously burst into > choruses of 'Merry Christmas,' their salutations were recorded and > added to the record." > > Anyone willing or able to embarrass the humble R.W. by posting a scan > of that pic sleeve -- preferably with his countenance pointed out in > some way? Unable to identify Mr Williams, I just waited and sat back. But now the sleeve is in the photo section and all that is needed is a finger pointing in the right direction... Eddy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Eddy, Phil and all, View the picture here: http://tinyurl.com/6f2mj Richard Williams can be found fifth from the left in the back row. That's him with the moustache. Happy Christmas. Signed, Very helpful S'pop moderator type person. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:23:21 +0200 From: Stefan Wriedt Subject: Paul Simon - early years During my search for further info I came across the book mentioned below by Ouida Mintz. My question to all Spectropoppers out there: Has anybody read the book? Who owns one and can recommend it? Anybody with further info on the songs Ouida Mintz wrote apart from her BMI listing? Any help is appreciated ... Best, Stefan Wriedt ************************** My Friend Lenny A memoir of my life in music ...with personal stories about Leonard Bernstein, Mike Wallace, Paul Simon, and others. Ouida Blatt Mintz tells of her life in music as it paralleled that of her teenaged friend, Leonard Bernstein. She studied with the same piano teacher and played with orchestra before he did. She made choices, which sent her in a different direction from Bernstein but kept her friendship with him through the years, meeting him for the final time at his last concert just two months before he died ten years ago. She also tells stories about her remarkable family and their friends, such as Mike Wallace of CBS, with whom she played violin duets. Later, she wrote pop music in the 50's and hired a short Queens College student to sing over 15 of her demos, sometimes singing duets with him. It was Paul Simon! Ouida discusses the triumphs and tragedies in her life in this wonderful memoir. Ray Sandiford, Ouida's 83-year-old partner, edited and typeset the book. There are 150 photographs. ************************** -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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