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Spectropop - Digest Number 1551



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There are 18 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone" / Righteous Brothers
           From: Peter Richmond 
      2. Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone"
           From: Bill George 
      3. Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone" / Myddle Class
           From: Kevin Kern 
      4. Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone"
           From: Mike Carter 
      5. Ping pong
           From: Joe Nelson 
      6. Brian on TV?
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      7. Re: Beach Boys' "She Knows Me Too Well"
           From: Mark A. Johnston 
      8. Re: "Witchy Tai To"
           From: Orion 
      9. Re: Beach Boys' "She Knows Me Too Well" / Which Wilson?
           From: James Cassidy 
     10. Re: Jerry Cole vocals?
           From: John Berg 
     11. Re: Beach Boys' "She Knows Me Too Well"
           From: Bob Hanes 
     12. Re: Continental Drifters
           From: Bill George 
     13. Re: Beach Boys' "She Knows Me Too Well"
           From: Andrew Hickey 
     14. Re: "Witchy Tai To"
           From: Steve Harvey 
     15. Re: This Diamond Demo / Carole King demos
           From: Mike Carter 
     16. Re: Beach Boys' "She Knows Me Too Well" / Witchy Tai To
           From: Brent Cash 
     17. Re: The Sandpipers: Florida's answer to the Shangri-Las
           From: Mick Patrick 
     18. Dean Christie, Andy Rose, Clyde Stacy
           From: Mick Patrick 


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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:31:06 +0100 From: Peter Richmond Subject: Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone" / Righteous Brothers Don wrote: > Thank you to Mike Carter and Mick Patrick for this wonderful demo. > Besides the demo, the song has been done several times, including: > The Righteous Brothers Don, the Righteous Brothers have never had a version of "I Can't Make It Alone" released, Bill Medley's first solo single on MGM after the breakup of the Righteous Brothers was a version of the song, this has been included on several compilations including the definitive Rhino Righteous Brothers "Anthology". Bobby Hatfield recorded an unissued version of the song in March 1968 for Verve and there is evidence (Gold Star/Philles Records invoices) to suggest that the Righteous Brothers were planning to record (or did record) the song while at Philles but it is unclear exactly what stage the sessions got to. This will be included on my website sometime in the near future. Mick asked: > Request's for Carole King demos... What about that brilliant song "A Man Without A Dream" and also "On This Side Of Goodbye". Peter Righteous Brothers Discography http://freespace.virgin.net/p.richmond/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:20:34 EDT From: Bill George Subject: Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone" Ask and ye shall receive! Thanks for posting Carole King's demo of "I Can't Make It Alone" to musica! Now, please forgive my ignorance, but this sounds like it was arranged with the Righteous Brothers in mind. Did they ever record it? Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:30:10 -0400 From: Kevin Kern Subject: Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone" / Myddle Class Don wrote about "I Can't Make It Alone": > Besides the demo, the song has been done several times, including: > The Myddle Class Can it be? I thought the Myddle Class released only the three singles below, and "Lovin Season" on the Buddah 1970 promo album. (And acted as instrumental backup on the Bach's Lunch 45.) Do you have label info for "I Can't Make It Alone"? Gates Of Eden/Free As The Wind Don't Let Me Sleep Too Long/I Happen To Love You Wind Chime Laughter/Don't Look Back Thanks, Kevin Kern -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:48:03 -0000 From: Mike Carter Subject: Re: Carole King's "I Can't Make It Alone" Andy wrote: > Add to the list of those who have recorded "I Can't Make It Alone" > Diana Ross & the Supremes (on the "Reflections" LP Motown MS-665, > 1968]. An additional note: the lead singer in the version by the > Continental Drifters was a 34 year old Susan Cowsill. Watch it! The song on Diana Ross and The Supremes "Reflections" album, though a highlight of that album (I like many of the Supremes' albums tracks) is NOT the Goffin and King song, "I Can't Make It Alone". Now, The Continental Drifters with Susan Cowsill singing is a great version of the G/K tune. I'm amazed that they unearthed it. And Bill "Jackie" George mentions the 'speediness' of Maria McKee's version from the early 90's, which is a favorite of mine also, Bill. Kinda like Jackie doing "No Easy Way Down". It's different, but they have nailed the song! Mike C. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 10:38:32 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Ping pong Phil Milstein: > More seriously, I assume you played three different instruments via > the miracle of overdubbing, yet it surprises me to learn of much in > the way of multi-track decks being used at demo studios as early as > 1963. Did they use sound-on-sound ("ping-pong")? Al Kooper: > I was always the ping pong champ at A Schroeder Music. Jack of all > trades, master of none at the time, I'd take a shot at ANY instrument > to get a job done. 99% of all our demos were cut at Regent Sound > owned by Bob Lifton. This was at 25 W56th Street in NYC as Schroeder > had the Penthouse and Regent, I believe the 3rd Floor. In the early > 60's, there were no multi-track machines in MY life. Bill Szymczyk > was the engineer on many of my demos. This is where we first forged > our friendship. Now a chance to try to get some professional insight from those who were there... I'd always assumed ping-ponging was a reference to sound-on-sound overdubbing - live mixing of track one with a live performance recorded onto track two. (This as opposed to sound-with-sound, the preferred method in which the tracks are laid down in parallel on the same tape, seperately and in synch (since the record and playpack heads are seperate and a delay would occur if you based what you were recording on what the PB was picking up). Ping-ponging would also refer to a multi-track being submixed (i.e. a four track with three of the tracks being bounced down to the fourth to make more space), although I'm not sure this applies to reduction remixing (in which the tracks are remixed to a second tape, multi or otherwise). In the US in the early sixties, most recording was done on three track tape. The layouts tended to be rhythm section on one, lead vocal on two, and backing vocals and orchestra on three. I find it hard to imagine the background singers and orchestra being taped simultaneously, so I can picture the rhythm, BGV's and orchestra taped first, remixed to wide stereo (either direct to a second three track or to a stereo machine which was then transfered back to 3T for evn more tape hiss). EXCEPT.... on much R&R from those days the lead vox were double tracked - manually. So now we're up to five tracks derived from three. Clearly some live mixing was done somewhere, or something got compromised. Anyone got any direct memories of how the recording was done in those days? Was it common for studios to have more than one 3T? Joe Nelson (trying to picture Regent without 3T in 1963...) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 10:55:39 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Brian on TV? Anyone know what become of Brian Wilson's scheduled appearance on Larry King Live June 30? I tuned in, only to be met with an entire hour of kibbitzing over the Scott Peterson case. For better or worse, Brian was not among the talking heads depositing his two cents on that topic. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:20:22 -0400 From: Mark A. Johnston Subject: Re: Beach Boys' "She Knows Me Too Well" Phil Milstein: > Who is the lead singer on "She Knows Me Too Well"? I have trouble > discerning Brian's voice from Carl's. I always thought this was Brian, as well as on "Please Let Me Wonder." Both are direct predecessors of Pet Sounds to me and could have sat on that album without question. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 12:11:22 -0500 From: Orion Subject: Re: "Witchy Tai To" Haper's Bizarre had a version of it also. It is really not bad. I think maybe Cryan Shames did also but am not sure. Orion -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 13:57:01 -0400 From: James Cassidy Subject: Re: Beach Boys' "She Knows Me Too Well" / Which Wilson? In a further response to Phil M's question: Amazingly, Carl Wilson sang only 4 lead vocals ("Louie, Louie," "Pom Pom Playgirl," "Girl Don't Tell Me," "God Only Knows") on the Beach Boys' first dozen or so albums (1962-66). Hard to believe that someone that gifted vocally was only a background singer for so long. Whether because of Brian's retirement from the road, his retreat to his bedroom, or the realization that Carl was a great singer, the number of Carl leads goes up significantly after "Pet Sounds." I can usually tell Carl from Brian. But sometimes I have a problem with Brian and Al Jardine. It wasn't until a couple of years ago that I finally found out that AJ (not Brian) sang most of the verses on "I Know There's An Answer" (Mike Love sings the first line of each verse and Brian takes over on the chorus). Jim Cassidy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 14:52:23 EDT From: John Berg Subject: Re: Jerry Cole vocals? Jerrry Cole is also the vocalist on the first of two albums by "Them" on the Happy Tiger label, circa 1969. He is credited also with guitar. (By the time of that LP, origianl Them bass player Alan Henderson was the sole member left and held the rights to the name. Three other members went to form "Truth", cutting an album's worth of tracks that sat unissued until 1995 when Epilogue Records compiled them on CD. Other Them members were in the Belfast Gypsies, Taste, Camel and sundry other combos right up 'til now.) John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 12:20:38 -0700 From: Bob Hanes Subject: Re: Beach Boys' "She Knows Me Too Well" Phil M: > Who is the lead singer on "She Knows Me Too Well"? I have trouble > discerning Brian's voice from Carl's. ....only Brian and maybe Carl would've been agreeable, to singing the words of that song, at that time in the history of the world, and in the maturation of the individual Beach Boys. Carl had just done another very male ego exposing song on the Summer Days (& Nights) album. Girl Don't Tell Me. I think it was probably Brian's turn. Mike always was all about machismo, these "new" songs musta freaked him out. The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, Church of the Harmonic Overdub -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 15:25:14 EDT From: Bill George Subject: Re: Continental Drifters Previously: > The Continental Drifters, though, seemed to break up concomitant > with the break-up of Suzy's marriage to fellow band member Peter > Holsapple. As far as I know, the Continental Drifters are still together. They are just on a sabbatical while Vicki Peterson tours with the Bangles (which may be over by now). Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:53:37 +0100 From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Re: Beach Boys' "She Knows Me Too Well" Phil M: > Who is the lead singer on "She Knows Me Too Well"? I have trouble > discerning Brian's voice from Carl's. It's Brian. Carl only took a handful of lead vocals (Pom Pom Playgirl, Girl Don't Tell Me, the unreleased All Dressed Up For School and IIRC Summertime Blues) before Pet Sounds, and it was only on Smiley Smile that he really came into his own. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 12:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: "Witchy Tai To" Charles wrote: > I've always loved the hit version of "Witchy Tai To" by Everything > Is Everything... Witcha Tai To is the title. It's an Indian phrase, nothing to do with Witchita either. I agree that the Everything Is Everything (of which Jim Pepper was a member) is the best version. The Harper's Bizarre version is good, but doesn't spring to life the way Pepper's versions do. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:16:16 -0000 From: Mike Carter Subject: Re: This Diamond Demo / Carole King demos Phil X Milstein wrote: > Carole's own master version of "Bad Boy" sounds sort of demo-ish to > me. Not that I'm expecting an earlier version to appear, but does > anyone know if the release version was in fact (or at least developed > from) the demo? Surely "He's A Bad Boy" was a demo turned master. So many of them were. Sounds like it to me. Interestingly, I own the Screen Gems acetate of Carole King's song "Home Again" (the song recorded on "Tapestry" ....sometimes I wonder if I'm ever gonna make it... )and to my suprise when I unwrapped it and played it I heard the exact same version of the song that appeared on "Tapestry". I think King's been making demos turned masters for years. Perhaps this is just one way she does/did it. Awhile ago I know Mick Patrick unearthed a version of Goffin and King's "School Bells Are Ringing" by The Rocky Fellers and included it as a hidden bonus track on the WESTSIDE cd "The Rocky Fellers: Look At Killer Joe Go" and I swear if that's not Carole King singing another take of her version I'll.. I'll...well Mick'll post another demo to musica. I wanna thank (this) Al Kooper for the demo of This Diamond Ring. What a fine, fine, super fine treat! More, please! Mike C. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:23:46 -0000 From: Brent Cash Subject: Re: Beach Boys' "She Knows Me Too Well" / Witchy Tai To Phil M.: > Who is the lead singer on "She Knows Me Too Well"? I have trouble > discerning Brian's voice from Carl's. Charles Ulrich: > According to the liner notes of The Beach Boys Today, it's Brian. Supposedly, Carl's first lead wouldn't happen until later in '65 on "Girl Don't Tell Me". Talk about "holding back"! Also, because of spelling, this barely fits the "Witchy" thread, but, does anyone else dig "Bird Has Flown" from UK great John Schroeder's Witchi-Tai-To LP? Best wishes, Brent Cash -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 16:45:05 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: The Sandpipers: Florida's answer to the Shangri-Las Howard wrote: > ...Soul Up North #43 is now available. This issue includes > a great article from 'Spectropopper' Jeff Lemlich on the > Sandpipers... Jeff Lemlich: > I should mention this is not the "Guantanamera" Sandpipers, > but the group of 13 & 14-year-olds that appeared on Tru- > Glo-Town. They were Florida's answer to the Shangri-Las... Me:: > OK, I'm sold. My two quid is in the mail. In the meantime, > Jeff, any chance of a Sandpipers track appearing @ musica? > Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeze. There's room at present. Jeff: > Now playing in Musica is "Ballad To A Missing Lover" by > the Sandpipers, which includes an emotional recitation by > 13-year-old Debbie Kilpatrick: "You didn't leave cause you > wanted to, and that is why I pray and pray for you". In > case anyone is wondering what happened to Debbie's lover, > the answer is in the article (and so is the identity of her > boyfriend at the time. He is someone you have heard of.) Thanks Jeff, what a great read. Congratulations on a truly excellent article. Serious girl group fans neeeeeeeed this issue of Soul Up North. Email editor Howard for price details: soulupnorthhfe@aol.com And thanks for making the group's "Ballad To A Missing Lover" available @ musica. It was even better than I was hoping for - like the Shangri-Las meet the Toys. In fact, I liked it so much that when I happened upon a copy for sale at a northern soul event in Cleethorpes (*), I threw caution to the wind and bought it. It cost an arm and a leg. To my delight, the other side turns out to be as good, if not better. As a treat for those who have not heard it, I have posted the track to musica: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ Details are: The Sandpipers "All Over But The Crying" (Tru-Glo-Town 502, 1966). Written by Jesse Herring, Jr. and Ed Townsend. Produced by Ed Townsend. It would be great to hear some of the group's other recordings. Any chance, Jeff? Hey la, Mick Patrick * I went to see the Diplomats perform live. Maybe more on that and the group's CD another time. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 08:33:18 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Dean Christie, Andy Rose, Clyde Stacy I'm hoping some kind soul can help me with a little biographical info on three one (small) hit wonders from the early-'60s and late-'50s: Dean Christie: had a hit in 1962 with "Heartbreaker", an excellent Dion soundalike. Andy Rose: "Just Young" 1958. Clyde Stacy: "So Young", hit the charts in 1957 and again in '59. I seem to have drawn a blank on all three artists, so any assistance will be very gratefully received. Thanks. Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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