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Spectropop - Digest Number 1546



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There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: For the love of Mike Clifford
           From: Frank 
      2. Little Stevie, child dentist
           From: Steve Harvey 
      3. Carole King's "It Might As Well Rain Until September" demo
           From: Rodney Rawlings 
      4. John Summers
           From: Chris 
      5. Re: Oldies Choice radio
           From: Justin McDevitt 
      6. Re: Columbia early sixties picture 45s
           From: Tom Taber 
      7. Re: For the love of Mike Clifford
           From: Gary Myers 
      8. Re: Raga Rock
           From: Various 
      9. Re: Oldies Choice radio
           From: Mikey 
     10. Carole King demos
           From: Mark Hill 


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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:48:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Subject: Re: For the love of Mike Clifford In my unending quest to find obscure songs of Leiber and Stoller, I've encountered Mike Clifford. Definitely an under-rated vocalist. "She's Just Another Girl," B-side to "Close To Cathy" (United Artists 489) is an amazing song, from L&S' "Kurt Weill" period of approx. '62 - '64. It features, I believe, the first use of the word "ego" in a pop song. "What To Do With Laurie," A-side of "That's What They Said," is another highly unusual L&S song, with an Elizabethian flavor that presages all that "Lady Jane" type stuff that came a few years later. The strangest Clifford 45 I have is "Do Your Own Thing"/"You Better Start Singing Soon" (American International A-158, 1968?). The A-side is a later L&S song which was also covered by Brook Benton. I think this is the same Mike Clifford, but it's more of a white-boy soul kinda side...very hard to describe... I've never seen this one listed in any reference books. It's a real head-scratcher...love oddball records like these. Best, Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:54:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Little Stevie, child dentist Re the new S'pop home page photo: Looks like Miss Ronnie is a little peeved at not being the center of attention this time around. Dee Dee is awfully cute in that shot. Why is Little Stevie looking at Clay's fillings? He's not fooling anyone. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 19:01:19 -0000 From: Rodney Rawlings Subject: Carole King's "It Might As Well Rain Until September" demo I wonder how many know that Carole King's hit record "It Might as Well Rain Until September" (a personal favorite of mine) IS the demo, targeted I think to Bobby Vee, and was released as is because the A&R man involved liked Carole's voice. Perhaps this is old news at this board, but it's pertinent to the current threads. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:08:10 -0000 From: Chris Subject: John Summers I've recently come across the UK artist John Summers on Pye on the Ripples compilations, yet I can't find any more information on him as the sleeve notes are very sparse. Both sides of "Looking at windows/don't fool yourself" are as good as soft pop as I've heard, and apart from a teaser in that he did several singles for the labels, there's no other mentions. Can anyone on the group provide me with more information please? Even google provides very few hits. Chris -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:08:28 -0400 From: Justin McDevitt Subject: Re: Oldies Choice radio Hello Spectropoppers, Doug Ohlemeier's comments regarding Oldies Choice radio, (available through both Cable and Satelite Tv) echo my own observations of this channel. When tuning in, just when I'm started to get a little bored with the playlist, they sneak in an obscure track like Wait For Me by the Playmates that keeps me listening. I would concur that there is a heavier emphasis on the pre-1960s era and a shortage of selections from the 1964-67 timeframe; my favorite years of Rock's history. Some months ago, I obtained the telephone # of the company that programs this channel along with the other Cable/satelite choices. When I was finally put in touch with someone in authority, I offered the opportunity to put together a list of tracks to be reviewed for possible inclusion on the playlist. I also recommended that more attention be given to songs from the mid to late 60s. era. It was as if I'd said something OBSCENE, OR MADE A RUDE NOISE. The idea of a lowly listener making such a suggestion was ludicrous and something that was "not done". I was informed that such a recommendation was not possible to implement and I got he strong impression that the quality and diversity of the playlist was more than adequate; (thank you very much". So I bid adieu with my musical tail between my legs and chalked this up to corporate egos being trifled with. Justin McDevitt, (now an oficial resident of Saint Paul MN) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 05:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Columbia early sixties picture 45s I recall Andy Williams getting the "line-drawing" treatment (on a green label Columbia 45, perhaps?), and suspect Johnny Mathis did too. Others? Tom Taber whose secret CD project should be a reality in 2 weeks! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:22:26 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: For the love of Mike Clifford We (the Portraits) backed Clifford on a show around late '67. It was a fashion show at I. Magnin in Beverly Hills and it included Don & the Goodtimes (who did a very long Beatles medley and stayed on longer than they were supposed to), Ian Whitcomb (who played some ragtime piano, but did not do his hit), and a non-performing appearance by Boyce & Hart. Each act did only 2-3 songs. I think we did both sides of our first Sidewalk release and backed Clifford on two. I think one of them was "More". He was also on Sidewalk at that time. Mike Curb (Sidewalk) also tried a few others who had passed their hit years - Terry Stafford, Johnny Crawford and Chad Stuart. I liked Clifford's "One Boy Too Late" (which, I think, was also done by Rick Nelson), and I'm probably one of the few people who actually used to do "Close To Cathy" on gigs. :-) gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:55:15 +0100 From: Various Subject: Re: Raga Rock Dear members, for your convenience, recent posts on the subject of Raga Rock have been assembled into a handy compendium: --------------------------------------------------------------- There were a number of Jazz musicians interested in diffrent time signatures who investigated Indian music. The first pop musicians who appeared in print talking about sitars were George Harrison, David Crosby and Donovan. Lord Sitar's version of Jumoping Jack Flash and I can see for miles still get plays on the Mod and EZ scenes. i understand Big Jim Sullivan played Lord Sitar before gigging with Tom Jones. he definitely recorded Sitar beat in 1967. Gabor Szabo recorded Jazz Raga in 1966 and dubbed sitar onto tracks like Paint it Black. I am sure he did the same a couple of years later with Light My Fire. Find out more about raga rock on: http://psychevanhetfolk.homestead.com/SITARBEAT.html Frankm reflections on northern soul Saturday's two thirty pm: http://www.radiomagnetic.com or listen to an archive show: http://www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/rnb.php --------------------------------------------------------------- There was a bootleg CD series out a few years ago compiling all sorts of sitar-influenced songs taken from lots of LPs and 45s dating from the magic '60s and early '70s. Among the songs booted was "Archimed's Pad", extracted from a CD my friend Neal Skok and I released on CD in 1995 on our official release "Of Them And Other Tales" by TRUTH. This band was comprised of 3 former members of Them plus an American rhythm section. TRUTH guitarist Jim Armstrong had a big interest in Indian music in the late '60s, learned how to play the sitar, and began incorporating elements of this genre into (post-Van Morrison) Them recordings as early as 1967. Check out the two recent Them reissue CDs on Rev-ola to hear several versions of Jim's playing on "Square Room" and "Just One Conception". Our TRUTH CD features "Archimed's Pad", an all-instrumental version of Square Room and to my ears the most fully realized expression of the theme. On all of these numbers Jim is using his electric guitar to emulate the sounds inspired by sitar. However, Jim also does a shorter number on the CD called "Sonic Sitar" playing his actual sitar. (It is still sitting in his closet in Northern Ireland, where he leads the Jim Armstrong Band these days playing blues across Europe.) If you need more info on the TRUTH CD, write me off-list. John Berg, Seattle area ----------------------------------------------------------------- For my money, a song pretty well has to have sitar or tabla or some Indian instruments to qualify it as "raga rock". Certainly there were folk songs with a kind of droning structure before The Beatles introduced the sitar to rock n roll but without the "commercialization" of Indian music, I'm pretty confident there wouldn't have been any rock songs with Indian sounds. I spent a little time looking for these kinds of tunes but I'm not sure I could make a list. Noel Harrison did some things like that. Then there's the Bobby Callender record (which is pretty wild). The early Poppy Family had two Indian musicians actually in the band, one playing tabla, the other I can't remember. I guess Donovan did some stuff without sitar that could still be called "raga rock" so I guess there is such a thing. Then there's all the stuff with electric sitar but I'm not sure that would qualify. Most of the stuff I would call "raga rock" is instrumental. Bill Plummer played on a lot of those (sometimes with Gabor Szabo). As you can see, I'm not much of a listmaker. AZ ------------------------------------------------------------------ In 1967 Jimmy Page, my studio musician friend from my first trip to the U.K., had just joined the Yardbirds and invited me to come opening night. Although he was happy with the enthusiastic reception he and the group received.......he was really excited about something else. He couldn't wait to get back to his hotel to show me and my friends his new "Toy"...a Sitar. I had been familiar with the sound.......but had never heard Rock and Roll riffs like "Satisfaction" played on the traditional instument the way Jimmy played it. I remember telling him about a New York studio guitarist friend of mine, Vinny Bell, who invented the "Bellzuki", an electric sitar. I wonder if that's what he used on his later records? Artie Wayne http://artiewayne.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:56:05 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Oldies Choice radio Justin....in the case of what happened to you with the radio programming....if it were ME, I'd write a letter to the program director expressing your dissatisfaction with their programming, and also tell then you will be cancelling based on that. I think that may get their attention. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:12:09 -0400 From: Mark Hill Subject: Carole King demos Diane aka. Hurdygirl writes: > I remember reading that Dusty Springfield actually collected Carole > King demos. Dusty thought they were works of art in their own right. Mark Hill wonders: This has me wondering what the chain of availability to "collect Carole King demos" would be. How do they get from the demo stage into various hands (like Dusty's) and ultimately to ours? Acetates? Vinyl records? Tapes? How many copies would there initially be? And how were they distributed? How rare of a chance is it for us to hear something like a Carole King demo? Any insight would be appreciated. Incidentally, that demo of "Go Away Little Girls" was one of the greatest gifts yet, provided through members to the Musica files. Many thanx! "Dr. Mark" Hill * -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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