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Spectropop - Digest Number 1530

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There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Overplayed songs in commercials / Happy Together
           From: (That) Alan Gordon 
      2. Re: "Words Of Love" versions / The Mamas and the Papas
           From: Rodney Rawlings 
      3. Demos in Musica
           From: Julio Niņo 
      4. Re: passing Rascals
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      5. Oldies Radio
           From: Various 
      6. Unrelated Segments' "Where You Gonna Go?"
           From: ACJ 
      7. New lyrics site
           From: Clark Besch 
      8. Ray Charles to Musica
           From: Clark Besch 
      9. Re: passing Rascals
           From: James Botticelli 
     10. Good stuff at musica; Dina coming; Nervous Norvus; Sahara Smith
           From: Country Paul 
     11. Boy Trouble CD
           From: The S'pop Team 
     12. Ray Charles, R.I.P.
           From: S'pop Team 

Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:07:37 -0700 From: (That) Alan Gordon Subject: Re: Overplayed songs in commercials / Happy Together Clark B., I certainly would be the LAST one to complain about commercial usage of pop songs. I know quite a few singers and musicians who depend on jingles to earn a living. Garry Bonner has sung on a few, I have done only one, the Ronzoni spot. I have a lot of respect for those who who have been able to survive the pressure of the ad business. Speaking of pet peeves, I hate baseball fans who sit behind home plate talking on their cell phones, and waving. As far as Oldies radio is concerned I may be partial but the "new" music for the most part is pretty crappy compared to the songs we grew up with. Don`t get me wrong there are great new songs but for the most part not enough to keep me listening for any length of time. I`m more entertained with the oldies. I don`t think the songs of today - Rap, etc - will be played 20 and 40 years from today like the songs we love are played today. Anyway, I can feel my rickety old soapbox starting to wobble so I`ll get off of it. I was just thinking [I knew I smelled something burning] In my previous paragraph I stated that in 20 to 40 years from now they wouldn`t be playing the rap music of today. I apoligize, I was wrong. Every generation has their own music that they listen to as they fell in love and remember with fondness the songs that are part of their life experiences. There are great new artists today such as Nora Jnes, and yes the new people that are coming from American Idol etc. Yes I love the music of my youth and I always will, but I also love a lot of differant musical genres and I apologize for speaking out of turn. Best, This, That, and The Other Alan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:18:25 -0000 From: Rodney Rawlings Subject: Re: "Words Of Love" versions / The Mamas and the Papas Many thanks, Mike. It may in fact have been "Creeque Alley" that I was thinking of. I am no longer sure--it was long ago. Maybe "Words of Love" got the same treatment. I had forgotten about "I Saw Her Again" sounding different later on as well. Thanks for reminding me of that. In both cases, I prefer the first version I heard. But I have to say I like the other versions too! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 20:59:54 -0000 From: Julio Niņo Subject: Demos in Musica Hola Everybody. Today the ever interesting Spectromusica has been an especially cool place, with those wonderful demos by Carole King and Jackie DeShannon. I want to thank Mike Carter, Mick Patrick and Bob Celli for sharing these little treasures. Bob, you mentioned in a previous message you have a demo of "Donīt Ever Take Her For Granted", my favorite among the wonderful Goffin/ King songs recorded by Bobby Vee. You will make me happy if you could play it to musica some day. Listening to those beauties make me feel glad and confused. Itīs a little like falling in love (maybe the sweaty heat of Madrid is also to blame). Chao. Julio Niņo. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:33:06 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: passing Rascals Al Kooper wrote: > The Rascals, who I actually scouted for Musicor, when they were playing > at The Barge on Long Island, became friends and loved my song. Felix > told me that it didnt make the final cut, but to this day I have never > heard it. How could Musicor possibly have passed on The Rascals?! --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:22:09 +0100 From: Various Subject: Oldies Radio Dear members, For convenience, recent posts on the subject of Oldies Radio have been compiled into a handy digest: ----------------------------------------------------------- Previously: > Since you work in oldies radio, what do you think about the state > of it today? A lot of it stinks, considering the industry's general > abandonment of anything before 1964. Now I hear the industry in a > few short years plans to abandon the 60s and move to 70s-80s oldies. > Related post... > > On the demise of WCBS-FM... > This is a touchy subject for me as my feelings about Oldies Radio are 180 degrees opposite my PD's opinion. We've clashed a bit over the format, (generic/bland 60's & 70's songs). He wins the argument with me for two reasons: 1) Reasearch and 2)well, he's the boss! Seriously, though, there's no question Oldies radios stations in most larger to medium markets have become cookie cutter within the format. Here in central Massachusetts, oldies listeners can easily tune in on the FM band my station, one in Boston and one in Providence. We are virtually all playing the same songs. Apparently the "reasearch" indicates to Program Directors that constant repetition of the same "smash" oldies is the key to building and maintaining an audience. Personally, I just don't get it. No offense to following artists but I cringe every time I hear us play Get Together by the Youngbloods, Unchained Melody by the Righteous Brothers, Listen to the Music by the Doobie Brothers, etc. You all know the type of songs I'm talking about. These are great songs by great artists but why do we play them EVERY DAY? The boss says I'm too close to the situation, that listeners come and go and need to hear a totally familiar song anytime/everytime they tune in. But, don't radio stations encourage long term listening with "listen at work" promotions? Listeners have got to be hearing the same old songs all the time. Yet, ratings seem to be strong for this format. With baby boomers getting older, and ad revenue harder to come by, sales departments don't seem to want the older audience. That's probably why 80's music is seeping into oldies formats. Playing music from earlier than, say, 1964, goes against this desire to pull in younger listeners. I think the above objective could still be achieved by carefully including more of the music that appeals to the readers of this forum but that doesn't mean you'd be likely to hear anything as "obscure" as something like Nashville Cats by the Lovin' Spoonful. We've NEVER played that song. I would consider my station more versatile if we would simply go a bit deeper in an arist catalog so that a Creeque Alley or a Might As Well Rain Until September makes it on air. If there's a common denominator in this "blandness" it's that so many of the medium and major market stations are owned by giant corporations that simply wouldn't succumb to the "variety" in the format argument. Best hope for hearing the kinds of music that many of us would like to hear probably rests in the hands of "Mom and Pop" stations, independently owned stations and the internet. Till then, I gotta pay the mortgage so let me go "cue" up Respect by Aretha and on with the "show"! Dave 0'Gara ------------------------------------------------------------- Shawn wrote: > Here's my rant about oldies radio...I think it has become a serious > joke: Interesting reading. One correction: in one of the paragraphs on payola you have the name of the House Oversight Subcommittee Chairman listed as "Oren Hatch". It should be Oren Harris. Rat Pfink ------------------------------------------------------------- I don't think anybody who really loves the music of the 50/60s can stomach commercial oldies anymore. WOGL is so stale and formulated I rarely listen to it. If I never hear Bachman-Turner (both tunes), Steely Dan (all three tunes) and Brown-Eyed Girl that's fine with me. I didn't mind these tunes the first 10,000 plays, but enoughs enough. Luckily, in Aston, I can get WVLT outta Vineland, NJ. They play some stuff I rarely hear. Jerry Blavat plays some neat stuff too, occasionally I even get to hear it without him trying to sing over the record or talk through the whole damn thing. The Rockabilly Roadhouse is far from polished, but it's nice to hear some rockabilly other than the Stray Cats (the 2 tunes) or Queen's Crazy Little Thing Called Love (the 1 tune). What is interesting is the local convience stores around here called Wawa. Like Cumberland Farms or 7-11s elsewhere these stores have piped in music and I'm impressed. When was the last time you heard Gene Vincent singing "Race With the Devil" or Joe Clay's "Don't Mess With My Ducktail" and you weren't the one playing them? Last month I walked in to the strains of the Turtles' "You Know What I Mean". I didn't even hear that on the radio around here when it came out! Somebody hip is minding the shop. Instead of bitching about how bad radio we need to try to educate the next generation. Hip them to B-sides, outtakes and album cuts that you know are prime. Tell them about different takes and the stories you post on this site. Hopefully a few of them will work there way into the system and throw in some good stuff. Every Saturday WGLS (89.7FM) outta Rowan University has Sammy Peppers' Beatle show at 10-12am. I like his sense of humor and the fact that he speaks his mind. I've been burning some CDs of more obscure British Invasion stuff (Kingsize Taylor, etc.) Make the stuff available to djs and they might just start playing it. Flip, flop and fly, Steve Harvey ------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:02:15 -0400 From: ACJ Subject: Unrelated Segments' "Where You Gonna Go?" For David Coyle: I have not only heard "Where You Gonna Go?", but virtually everything else the Unrelated Segments recorded - all those tracks, together with all known tracks by fellow Detroit rockers The Tidal Waves, and some '70s demos by Segments leader Ron Stults, are on an excellent Collectables CD titled - oddly enough - "Where You Gonna Go?" I bought the CD because it had the Tidal Waves' biggest single, "Farmer John" b/w "She Left Me All Alone" - but I spotted the "Where You Gonna Go?" / "What I Like About You" connection right away. ACJ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:36:34 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: New lyrics site Hi all, not sure how long it will last, so get your lyrics to tons of songs while this guy is not jailed! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:23:19 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Ray Charles to Musica Hi, There are so many great Ray songs and I think he makes any good song great. Hard to find any unusual pieces to put up on Musica by him. I posted a Coke 60's commercial of Ray's (he had others too) that may not be that uncommon, but I think it's rare in stereo. Thanks, Ray, for the music! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:47:45 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: passing Rascals Al Kooper wrote: > The Rascals, who I actually scouted for Musicor, when they were playing > at The Barge on Long Island, became friends and loved my song. Felix > told me that it didnt make the final cut, but to this day I have never > heard it. Phil Milstein: > How could Musicor possibly have passed on The Rascals?! Did I miss something? What Kooper track did the Rascals record? Atlantic was preferable to Musicor anyway. Where's Musicor today? But I love the Platters Musicor material. No dis to 'em... JB/inclined to read short messages, not a Spectropop tradition. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:44:47 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Good stuff at musica; Dina coming; Nervous Norvus; Sahara Smith Mick Patrick: > ..."So Goes Love", Carole King's original playing > @ musica: > Obviously, Shirley Abicair (sigh) followed Carole's demo quite > closely - lovely song. Bob Celli: > I have the following Carole King demos: A Forever Kind of Love, Go > Away Little Girl, Don't Ever Take Her For Granted, Sharing You and > Ferguson Road. I've managed to clean up "Sharing You". There's still > much work to be done on the others. I taped them from Bobby Vee's > acetates several years ago. Wow, gentlemen, what took you so long to play these to musica?!? I've never heard "So Goes Love" by anybody (I know that I should know who Shirley Abicair is by now, but I don't). What a beauty this song is! Even in its underproduced form, it's a gem. And I love King's version of "Sharing You" - all it needs is an electric bass and a litle EQ to be a "real" release. Nice clean-up work, Bob; please bring on the others! On the topic of Mr. Velline, his "I Can't Hear You" is interesting - I know it well by The Newbeats, who I thought did a superb job with it, but about halfway through, I "got" the Vee version, sped up as it is. Nice to have an alternate on this. Phil M.: > Barney [Kessel]'s ten-second masterpiece, "Honey Rock," is now > playing at musica. Didn't get to that one. Unfortunately, Yahoogroups has told me that I've enjoyed listening to enough music for one night. (How considerate of them to provide a net nanny! I must've been a good little do-bee to get three songs - all killer, no filler!) Michael C. > going to see S and G and The Everlys when they hit the Hollywood > Bowl soon. Their last swing thru town was incredible. Anyone know if there any New York/New Jersey area dates, please? Coming to musica when there's room: Dore Alpert's exquisitely beautiful "Dina" (A&M 714, 1963), my all-time favorite 45. (First available 2800 KB I see gets filled with it!) I truly love many hundreds of records, but in case of fire, I rescue this, The Teddy Bears 45s, The Spectors 3 "I Really Do," and The Clusters "Darling Can't You Tell." Quick note: Recently came into the Nervous Norvus compilation by our own Phil Milstein on Norton. I've only gotten a few tracks into it, but the man's story - and Phil's writing - is absolutely fascinating. He was a major hitmaker yet an outsider, would-be for years, and a major-label hitmaker but also a song-poem maven. You can't make stories like this up! Yeah, Singin' Jimmy Drake (NN's other handle) is a tad outside our focus, but close enough to be worth a look and listen. Also a bit outside of us on the modern side, but well worth hearing: Sahara Smith. She came in second on NPR's Prairie Home Companion's youth talent contest for kids 12-to-20 from towns under 20,000 - but she can sing and she can write! Google her; there's even a Yahoogroups discussion group about her. (Contact me off-list if you'd like to hear a live mp3; or google her name - there's even a Yahoogroups discussion group that has just launched.) Country Paul (now returning you to our regularly-scheduled era) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:11:56 +0100 From: The S'pop Team Subject: Boy Trouble CD Julio Niņo: > I've just received ACE's new incursion in the GG territory, > this time with Alec Palao as Cicerone: "Boy Trouble", a > compilation of tracks from the vaults of Gary S. Paxton, > many of them previously unreleased. The collection is > wonderful, full of surprises and effervescent sixties pop... Mick Patrick's review of this CD has just been installed at the Recommends section. Access the review via the new S'pop homepage or directly right here: Enjoy, The S'pop Team -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:21:49 +0100 From: S'pop Team Subject: Ray Charles, R.I.P. Dear Members, A Ray Charles obituary has been installed at the S'pop Remembers section: Two further tributes - one by David Nathan, the other by Dr. Mable John - are available here: R.I.P. The S'pop Team -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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