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Spectropop - Digest Number 1527

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      1. Re: Glen Campbell / Ides Of March / Dr. Pepper
           From: Clark Besch 
      2. Re: overplayed Seger
           From: Clark Besch 
      3. Three/Four Coins/Aces
           From: Gary Myers 
      4. Romantics - What I Like About You
           From: jk1358 
      5. Re: McCartney article
           From: Mark Wirtz 
      6. Re: Ray Charles
           From: Dan Hughes 
      7. Re: Buddy Buie
           From: superoldies 
      8. Early Simon & Garfunkel / Tom & Jerry
           From: Stefan 
      9. Re: Blue Suede Shoes
           From: John Fox 
     10. Re: Ray Charles, It's cryin' time again.
           From: Rodney Rawlings 
     11. Eden Kane / Woolworth's
           From: Frank M 
     12. Re: Topsy
           From: Brent 
     13. Bubblegum CD series
           From: S'pop Team 
     14. Coins/Aces; Romantics; Cozy; Campbell
           From: Country Paul 
     15. Re: Peterik
           From: Gary Myers 
     16. Re: Buddy Kaye
           From: Mike McKay 
     17. Re: Boys Cry
           From: Mike McKay 
     18. Re: Buie Buie
           From: Al Kooper 
     19. Re: Glen's world fell down
           From: Mike McKay 
     20. Re: Blue Suede Shoes
           From: Phil X Milstein 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:46:48 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Glen Campbell / Ides Of March / Dr. Pepper previously: > ... a November drunken-driving hit-and-run collision. "Believe you > me, I think that's the last you've seen of Glen Campbell putting alcohol > in his veins," Campbell told the judge at his sentencing. "They say > there's a first time for everything; that's what this is like," > Campbell said during the hearing. "I wish it would have happened > a long time ago so I wouldn't have to go through this now." I know he's been into drugs and alcohol off and on since the '70s, so his comments have to be a little shaky here. Maybe he's never been arrested till now, but. ... I wish him luck this time. He has been a singer I will always appreciate greatly. Several of the hits sit in my faves along with fave obscure titles like, "I'm Gonna Love You", "Last Time I Saw Her" and "It's A Sin When You Love Somebody". > Ides of March..."Nobody Loves Me" is a simply wonderful song that > might have been a non-charter because of it's rather downer message, > but what great music and harmonizing. What a far cry from "Vehicle," > too, which may be why I like it. It's strange, but much like Chicago's New Colony 6, the Ides had completely different phases of their "era". In both cases, I like all their songs, garage, ballads, horn rock. It's all goooood! > ... [A] silly Dr. Pepper jingle that is obviously a tribute to Mick > Patrick's "Hey la"! Yes, it gets a little monotonous after awhile, > but nice little guitar outro that we likely never heard on the radio > in 1970. > It's kinda cool in a Hey-Judish sort of way. So where did they air a > 3:37-long jingle anyway? Exactly! The 12" had differing 1:00 and 0:30 versions, with commentary. Maybe they stuck this on as filler so that 30 some years later people from all over the world could contemplate the meaning of it all. Ah, Dr. Pepper, so misunderstood. ... Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:53:31 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: overplayed Seger previously: > The Romantics' "What I Like About You". What IS it about this song? > It was a mid-sized hit when new, but it just won't die. This group > never had another hit, did they? But this is already a pop-rock > "standard".... Talk about "not dying" -- how 'bout "Like A Rock" by Seger! AARGH! Or his "Old Time Rock n Roll"? The only '80s song played on oldies radio for decades! WHY? Makes me wanna "take those old Seger records off the shelf" and toss all the '75 and later ones out! I do savor the earlier ones. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:25:04 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Three/Four Coins/Aces previously: > it's hard to believe this is the same group that did "Three Coins > In The Fountain" Phil Chapman: > Wasn't "Three Coins....." by the Four Aces? Or was that "Four Coins" by the Three Aces? (Couldn't resist ). Anyway, yes it was; and it also charted for Sinatra and for Julius La Rosa (and when's the last time you heard that name?) gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:34:56 EDT From: jk1358 Subject: Romantics - What I Like About You There is a great cover of this which (as I'm English) introduced me to the Romantics along with Bucks Fizz's version of Talkin' In My Sleep. It's by Michael Morales, and worth checkin' out. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: McCartney article I believe that McCartney's assertions and the article commenting on them merely demonstrate that artists are mere "vessels"/conductors for the very separate energy of their often nature-/intelligence-/viscera- contradicting talent. That is why some even despicable human beings were somehow able to produce beautiful art. Specifically related to the question whether or not the revelation of the "story behind" an icon song's origin destroys its mystique, as well as our own personal association/interpretation of its essence, I believe that nothing has harmed the integrity of our subjective perception and imagined, even illusioned, experience more than music videos. Instead of seeing flashbacks and hearing soundtracks to key moments in our unique life/love experience when listening to certain "records" from yesteryear, we recall the images of the music video -- which, only too often, are even unrelated to the true core of the music they supposedly "illustrate," let alone enhance or represent the echoes of our own emotions and images. In the big picture, art being inventions, all inventions are accidents. As such, originality is nothing but successfully failed emulation. Coca Cola started off as a car engine detergent. ... Need I say more? Best, Mark Wirtz -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:55:24 -0500 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Ray Charles Rashkovsky sez: > A 2-CD set on Ebony [by Ray Charles]. The "Down Beat Swing Time" > recordings 1949 to 1952--very interesting to hear him > then--searching for a style, sounding like Nat King Cole. I heard an NPR interview Saturday -- hear it here: -- where Ray was asked about his beginnings. He said he started as a Nat Cole clone, on purpose, because it got him nightclub jobs, and he did Nat's songs. But he said he woke up one morning and suddenly realized that nobody knew his name. "Hey Kid," they'd say, with no idea who he was. And that is why he went his own way, to get away from that "Hey Kid." ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:41:11 -0000 From: superoldies Subject: Re: Buddy Buie previously: > Buddy said, "I wrote Cherry Hill Park for this SOB". The often boisterous Buddy did not write the song. Robert Nix & Bill Gilmore of The Candymen wrote it. Both worked with The Classics IV, for whom Buddy wrote many songs, but I have never seen his name credited with Cherry Hill Park. In fact, Tommy Roe and Billy Joe Royal stated in the great "Rock & Roll Graffiti" show that they recall seeing the two sitting in the Lowery Music hallway: each one would say a line, and the other would try to rhyme something with it. Soon enough, the song was written. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:05:40 +0200 From: Stefan Subject: Early Simon & Garfunkel / Tom & Jerry Is anybody here deeply involved in discographies about S&G early years and can shed some light on Tom Lacey and Jerry Dacey that appeared as writers (and artists ???) on the following two early releases: September 1962 / Tom & Jerry / US 45 ABC-Paramount 10363 / Surrender, Please Surrender (S. Prosen - T. Layton - J. Dacey) Village Music Co BMI / Fightin' Mad (S. Prosen - T. Layton - J. Dacey) Village Music Co BMI. Note: Probably not cut by Jerry Landis and Art Graph, but by Tom Layton and Jerry Darcey for Sid Prosen 1963 / Tom & Jerry / US 45 Ember 1094 / UK 45 Pye International (May 1963) / I'm Lonesome (S. Prosen-T. Layton-J. Darcey) Village Mus Co BMI / Looking At You (L. Austin) Village Mus Co BMI / both: Sid Prosen Productions. Probably not cut by Jerry Landis and Art Graph, but by Tom Layton and Jerry Darcey for Sid Prosen Look for "Fightin Mad" in BMI's database and you'll see the listing for Tom Layton & Jerry Darcey. But when you go on BMI to "I'm Lonesome" from Ember 1094, the orig. 45 rpm lists: S. Prosen-T. Layton-J. Darcey, but BMI has: CEDZICH CHRISTOPHER - CHIRIACKA LEONARD - PROSEN SIDNEY. So any hint here? Leonard == Layton and Christopher == Darcey? Further confusion on "Surrender, Please Surrender" (from the ABC 45 rpm) in ASCAP's (ACE) database. Any help sorting this out is appreciated. Stefan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:36:28 EDT From: John Fox Subject: Re: Blue Suede Shoes Phil M. wrote: > According to Carl Perkins himself, it was none other than Johnny Cash > who gave him the idea to write a song with the title "Blue Suede Shoes." Carl was often quoted giving the story that the song came from a gig where he saw a couple dancing, and the man was warning his beautiful girl not to touch his suedes. Perkins couldn't believe the guy's attitude, the scene stayed with him, and he got up in the middle of the night and wrote the song on a paper bag. I just saw a film clip at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame where he tells this exact story. So, unless the guy dancing was Johnny Cash ... John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:42:54 -0000 From: Rodney Rawlings Subject: Re: Ray Charles, It's cryin' time again. Clark Besch wrote: > I cried today. I did not cry when I first heard that Ray Charles > had died. I was more totally surprised. I did not know he was ill. > I knew he was old, but to me, he has always been old. I just didn't > expect him to die. Seems like I see him all the time on TV it always > makes me stop flipping and watch, no matter what type of enviroment > it might be. Skating, Bacharach duet, country TV visit (last month), > whatever. I just seem to catch him every couple months doing > something unique--for the past DECADES! That is a beautiful tribute. Thank you for providing it. Rodney Rawlings -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:12:28 +0100 From: Frank M Subject: Eden Kane / Woolworth's Clark Besch: > Anyway, did a search for Cd availability and it seems there is a new > Kane greatest hits Cd coming out thru Woolworth's of the UK! Maybe > you English folk can explain that one, but it will have "Boys Cry" > and the others. Says available July 4. Whilst Woolworth's used to have their own record label, Embassy, which released cover versions of hit songs in the UK and are one of the UK's leading record outlets (if your single is not stocked by Woolworth's, it won't make the Top 40). The Eden Kane record is being released by Prestige -Elite records. It's also on sale at HMV and other dealers. If you check their website at you will note that the label is also releasing CD's by Edgar Winter, Wayne Wonder, George Clinton and Winston Churchill. Frankm -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:48:09 -0000 From: Brent Subject: Re: Topsy Phil X. Milstein wrote: > Any of y'all familiar with Cozy Cole's 1958 hit instrumental > ("hitstrumental") "Topsy, Pts. 1 & 2"? Listening to it today for the > first time in a long time, it occurred to me that the spoken intro Cole > uses on both sides -- a simple announcement of the side's title ... When I was a young(er) tyke, my aunt, who had tons of 45s, played "Topsy" for me. With the guy's deep voice, I thought it was on the wrong speed! I don't know if that's Larry talking or not, but I do know that Ringo Starr, when asked (in a 1981 interview) if he had any drum idols, said "No, the only drum record I ever bought was Cozy Cole's "Topsy". He went on to say he also liked Gene Krupa but never bought any of his records, and that Cozy was a "tom-tom person" and that he (Ringo) was always into the heavy tom-tom stuff. ("A Day In The Life" and "Something" certainly bears that statement out). I gotta give props to my Aunt Sue for owning lots of red (with some yellow) Atlantic 45s, by The Clovers, Lavern Baker, Clyde McPhatter, etc., as a Caucasian lady in the 1950s South! I don't think there were any Georgia Gibbs or The Crew-Cuts in the lot. Hopefully Ray C. , Conway T. and Elvis P. are serenading her! Best wishes, Brent -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:14:44 +0100 From: S'pop Team Subject: Bubblegum CD series With this compendium of remaining posts, the Admin Team is declaring the "Bubblegum CD Series" thread closed. Discuss individual tracks, by all means, but these pesky bootlegs have had more than their fair share of S'pop space. ------------------------------------------------------- John Berg wrote: > A friend here in the Northwest area recently received over 20 CDs > of a series of compilations that are loosely titled "Bubblegum MFs" I think this has come up before. These have to be boots. I know Layng Martine, Jr.'s "Crazy Daisy" wason one of them and after being contacted by Layng's son, they said they would sell what they had and leave it off from then on. Also, there are Professor Morrison's Lollipop songs which I don't think they could have properly licensed. Clark Besch -------------------------------------------------------- Previously: > The series was actually up to 40 volumes ... Here's a tracklist for > the entire series, as well as the companion series "BubblePop MFs": > WOW!!!! That's one spectacular track listing.....and I had no idea these existed. If anyone has copies they would trade I'd be eager to work out a me off-list and let me know....I've been living for that kind of music most of my life!!!! Al Wagenaar -------------------------------------------------------- I've got one volume of "Bubblegum MF". It features a lot of very nice tunes, but overall this series for my liking tends a little bit too much towards cheesy (early) 70s sounds. But nevertheless, some real corkers can be found there. I got mine at ebay from someone who's selling these for the compiler who is from Japan. Like the "Fading Yellow" series (which I appreciate a lot more - rather no fillers! high quality stuff all through) off course these aren't legal reissues. Therefore the compiler doesn't want to step into spotlight. Unfortunately the Swedish guy, which compiled Fading Yellow has been sued recently and was forced to stop producing any more CDs in this series and refused to sell his stock. I cannot understand the reasons of someone suing him for he apparently didn't make it for the money but just out of his love for fantastic music! Christian Steiner - pop-addict from Germany --------------------------------------------------------- I have a few of these and generally speaking there's 10-15 great songs per disc. Never did pick all of them up. A shame this was the only way to be exposed to what is some really awesome music. Maybe someone with the entire series should start another yahoo group to post the tunes which still haven't been issued on cd! Patrick Rands -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:15:19 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Coins/Aces; Romantics; Cozy; Campbell Phil Chapman wrote: > Wasn't "Three Coins....." by the Four Aces? Ooops - you're right! The Four Coins hit with "Shangri-La," "Memories Of You," and "The Curly-Headed Kid In The Third Row," NYC DJ Peter Tripp's theme song! (As I commented about the "white guy" groups, they all sorta sounded the same!) Thanks for catching me on this one, Phil; it still doesn't lessen the impact of their stylistic departure on "Boys Cry." By the way, I've been under the impression that the Four Coins' version was the original. Am I mistaken (again)? Another mea culpa -- I had wondered if the Romantics had another hit after "What I Like About You." Sebastian reminded us of "Talking In Your Sleep"; obviously I've heard the song, but didn't realize it was them as I was away from pop music and on freeform progressive radio at that time. Phil Milstein wrote: > ... I wouldn't be surprised to learn that both [spoken intros] (all three, really, > counting both sides of "Topsy") intros were uttered by Larry Levine. I believe Cozy Cole introduced both sides of "Topsy" all by his lonesome. At the time it was a hit "topsy" became sort of a "buzzword" in regular conversation, enjoying a wave of popularity similar to "Whassup" and other catchphrases. And, don't forget, Cole had a similar, two-sided follow-up called -- what else -- "Turvy"! Same kind of intro. (I couldn't make this stuff up!) FYI, Cole was the drummer for Cab Calloway's Orchestra, and had a wide, deep and varied career both before and after "Topsy." He died in 1981. More at: Al Wagenaar wrote re Glen Campbell: > ... I can't belive how underated he is in this day and age. I'm particularly warm toward some of his pop-country material just before "Gentle On My Mind." He has a great urgently-rockin' version of the Porter Wagoner standard "A Satisfied Mind," and a superb anti-Vietnam War song written by Roger Miller, "Private John Q." Both well worth finding, IMO. Campbell has had more different incarnations than almost any artist I know of (check his doo-wop creds on The Lost Tapes CD that I reviewed for Spectropop earlier this year). "Outtahere, Part One".... Cozy Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:00:45 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Peterik Clark Besch wrote: > Jim now has 3 bands, I believe, going at the same time. Some new > band, plus Survivor and the Ides. Is Frankie Sullivan gone from Survivor? gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:59:39 EDT From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Buddy Kaye Frank wrote: > Buddy Kaye and Tommy Scott wrote it, I think for Eden Kane. Anyway his > version charted feb 1964. It was also covered in French (Garcons Pleurent) > by Richard Anthony. Here's an obit for Buddy Kaye: > Thanks for the link, Frank. It's all starting to tie together. Inow recall reading some time ago that Kaye, who wrote the cloying "A, You're Adorable" and many other Tin Pan Alley songs, also co-wrote what is my absolute all-time favorite Dusty Springfield song, "Little By Little." I was blown away by that, and now am reblown to know that he co-wrote "Boys Cry." He certainly had quite a career. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:23:36 EDT From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Boys Cry Phil M. wrote, re Four Coins' version of "Boys Cry": > Say no more -- on Paul's behalf, I've gone ahead and posted it. Thanks, Phil. It certainly is, er, "different." Assuming this is the original and that Eden Kane fashioned his version from it, it's a real tribute to whoever the arranger/producer was on Kane's session. While it's usually assumed that the "original," American version of a song covered by a Brit will be superior, that's not always the case. For example, Barbara Lewis's "Someday We're Gonna Love Again" and The Orlons' "Don't Throw Your Love Away" are both enjoyable, but The Searchers' treatment of both is incredibly creative, and superior, in my view. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:01:52 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Buie Buie previously: > Buie co-wrote several hits for the Classics IV (whom he produced) and > Atlanta Rhythm Section (of which he was a member) ... Sorry, but that is incorrect. Buie was never a member of ARS, although he co-wrote for and produced them. Southern Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:37:30 EDT From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Glen's world fell down Al Wagenaar wrote: > Glen Campbell......can't belive how underated he is in this day and > age.........recently a Campbell box set came out....and I found it to > be incredible that they missed his vocal on "My World Fell Down"... > which he has commented on as being his best vocal ever........ I know Dawn Eden says it's Glen, but I'd like to see once and for all a quote where Glen says it's him singing the lead on "My World Fell Down." I've listened time and again, straining to recognize anything in the voice that sings the verses of that song that sounds remotely as if it could be Campbell ... and I just can't hear it. I could maybe believe that's him singing on the chorus, but on the verse? Al, do you (or does anyone else) have a cite in which Campbell directly discusses this and states that it's him singing the verses of "My World Fell Down"? If I see one, I guess I'll finally give in and believe it. But only reluctantly ... Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:51:13 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Blue Suede Shoes John Fox wrote: > Carl was often quoted giving the story that the song came from a gig > where he saw a couple dancing, and the man was warning his beautiful > girl not to touch his suedes. Perkins couldn't believe the guy's attitude, > the scene stayed with him, and he got up in the middle of the night and > wrote the song on a paper bag. I just saw a film clip at the Rock & Roll > Hall of Fame where he tells this exact story. So, unless the guy dancing > was Johnny Cash ... Not quite, but the story still stands. Cash came up with the title idea, which he donated to Perkins. Carl then went off and, inspired by the event you cite, wrote the song. The bag part is true, too -- in fact, he had to dump a few potatoes out of it before he could use it to write on! I'll be happy to post the full text of the passage in question, if there's any call for it. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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