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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Early mistakes
           From: Joe Nelson 
      2. Re: California Nights.
           From: Mark Hill 
      3. Addrisi Brothers to Musica
           From: Clark Besch 
      4. Re: Ronnie Dove
           From: Fred Clemens 
      5. Re: Early mistakes
           From: Gary Myers 
      6. Who Sang What? (book)
           From: Guy Lawrence 
      7. The Water Is Over Al Kooper's Head
           From: Martin Roberts 
      8. Re: Multiple versions
           From: Ed Salamon 
      9. Super K Productions
           From: Steve Fuji 
     10. Re: Bob Brass
           From: (That) Alan Gordon 
     11. Re: Barry Mandilow & telerevisionism
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     12. Re: David Gates & the Lively Set
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     13. Re: more Bobby & I
           From: Paul Richards 
     14. Re: Ronnie Dove
           From: Steve Jarrell 
     15. Re: Early mistakes
           From: Austin Roberts 
     16. Re: David Gates & the Lively Set
           From: Andy 
     17. Flo and Eddie and "Paradise"
           From: David A. Young 
     18. Originals; pay-NO-la
           From: Country Paul 
     19. The Embers / O'Kaysions watcher
           From: Michael Coxe 
     20. Re: Multiple versions
           From: Mike the Bass Player 
     21. Re: Ronnie Dove
           From: Bob Celli 
     22. Re: O'Kaysions Watcher - Seen!
           From: Howard Earnshaw 
     23. Re: Bobby & I - Corbetta/Corbitt
           From: Stephane Rebeschini 
     24. Re: O'Kaysions watcher
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     25. Re: Ronnie Dove
           From: Artie Wayne 

Message: 1 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:44:18 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Early mistakes (That) Alan Gordon: > ... Things however have a way of working out, after all they got me > a lot great covers, and because of commercials and BMI, I'm doing o.k. > now, but there were times I had to live with eviction notices, and > wondering how I was going to provide for my family. I thank God > everyday for all my blessings. Strangely, I was always under the impression songwriting was "the thing", because your royalty payments were set in stone legally (i.e. not negotiable) and that writers weren't getting hit with the kind of recoupments that recording artists get screwed with. Now it turns out not even that works??? But I've been thankful too, mostly that I never made it and never put my family in that kind of jeopardy. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 13:47:54 -0400 From: Mark Hill Subject: Re: California Nights. There were several recent posts proclaiming admiration of LESLEY GORE's evocative "California Nights" (02/67). It reached #16. It was co-written by Marvin Hamlisch, as was her "Sunshine Lollipops And Rainbows" (06/65) #13. I like "Night", too. I was 7 years old when I first heard Lesley Gore sing "California Nights." She sang it when she appeared as "Pussycat", one of Catwoman's kittens, on TV's hit show "Batman." The episodes, "That Darn, Catwoman/Scat, Darn Catwoman" (Broadcast 01/19/67 and 01/25/67). Even at the age of 7, I knew there was something cool and off-kilter about this song. By the way, Lesley Gore was the niece of the producer of "Batman", Howie Horwitz. "Dr. Mark" Hill * -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:06:28 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Addrisi Brothers to Musica Posted to Musica for a short time, a 70's record that I think many SPoppers will love. "Somebody Found Her (Before I Lost Her)" by the well known Addrisi Brothers between their hits on Columbia and Buddah. This one from January, 1974, rates with their best, I think. Makes me think of the Mary Tyler Moore show theme, but it's pretty cool too! Great harmonizing as was usual with this duo. A Lambert/Potter song with Bones Howe production released about the time Bell put out the artie wayne classic, "Flashback" by the 5th Dimension. Here is the stereo version found only on DJ copies. Because of it being 70's, I'll leave it up only short time. Enjoy, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:39:18 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove Dave O'Gara was: > ...just wondering if any of our contributing artists have ever > worked with (Ronnie Dove) and possibly know if he's still > performing after all these years. Seems like he was able to > compete and hold his own on the charts, especially in that > aforementioned record-breaking year of 1965. You might want to check out According to his number one fan (Tom Diehl aka Stereoldies, formerly DoveFan), he was still performing as of this time last year. He's got the pics here to prove it: Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:02:54 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Early mistakes (That) Alan Gordon: > I got the one of a kind Cadillac as part of a publishing deal - it > was a "RECOUP DEVILLE". I was still paying for it for 37 years!!! IIRC, Nancy Sinatra once said in an interview that one piece of early advice that her dad gave her was "Own your own masters." gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:57:19 +0100 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Who Sang What? (book) I wrote: > "Who Sang What In Rock'n'Roll", is never far from my side Phil wrote: > But Guy, please tell us about this Warner book. I've never heard of > it before. First published in the U.K. by Blandford in 1990 (ISBN 0713720891). Can't tell you whether it's still in print but these days that hardly seems to matter as you can track down anything (and I do mean anything!) on the internet. A truly indispensable tome that lists 500 Rock classics, their original versions and subsequent covers and tells the story of each song. It also includes handy lists of things like answer records, novelty songs and hits by particular writers. Great to dip into and essential for sorting out your Cadets from your Jayhawks or your Lou Johnson's from your Sandie Shaws! As I say, Alan Warner is a S'Pop member, perhaps he can tell us more. Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:42:39 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: The Water Is Over Al Kooper's Head JJ enthused: > ...the FABtastic Eddie Hodges 45 "Love Minus Zero" b/w "The Water > Is Over My Head" (UK Stateside, '65). Is this the original version > of "The Water ..."? Yes it is, but FABtastic doesn't really do it justice. It has to be at the very least, fandabidosey++. A former Jack Nitzsche Record of the Week, the review can be still be read on the archive page: I love it - a great pop song, always there or thereabouts in my list of top tens. Eddie's next 45 for Aurora also featured an Irwin-Kooper song, "The Old Rag Man", and again Nitzsche was arranger. Not quite in the same league but well worth hunting for a copy. A few questions for Al (the wise) Kooper; The lyrics seem to be a contradiction of the uptempo tone of the song. (Likewise with "Rag Man".) Who wrote them, you, Irwin or both? Did you record a demo and was Nitzsche's arrangement as you'd imagined the song? Or was this one of the reasons Nitzsche fled the studio when he was meant to be producing the Blues Project’s 2nd album? :-) I assume Jack forgave you your earlier snub with the recording of the Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want". The UK Decca label at least displays the credits, "Voices arranged by Jack Nitzsche", "Piano and organ - Al Kooper". Or were the vocals laid down in a different studio? :-) Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:20:42 -0000 From: Ed Salamon Subject: Re: Multiple versions Previously: > Can someone explain the reasoning behind a double release of the > same song at almost the same time? At one time, it was the SONG, not the RECORDING that was the hit and sheet music once outsold phonograph records. Publishers, not record companies, had the upper hand, and would work hard to get as many artists as possible to record their songs. It wasn't odd at all for there to be a male vocal, a female vocal, an instrumental and a number of band versions of any popular song through the 40s. The tide was turning in favor of the RECORDING in the early fifties. Prior to that the "original" vs "cover" was not a big issue, as mulitiple hit recordings of a hit song were the rule. It seems odd to those of us who grew up in the 50s, when there was usually one definitive hit recording, or at least an original that one could point to as being covered. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:41:26 -0000 From: Steve Fuji Subject: Super K Productions I am trying to locate information on a record produced by Kasenetz/ Katz as by "The British Road Runners" called "Elevator Man." It may have been released on Laurie records, probably in the late 60's. I need to know the writers and publisher as I am interested in recording a cover of the song. Any helpful info would be appreciated. Steve Fuji SONGTRACKS@JUNO.COM -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:00:23 -0700 From: (That) Alan Gordon Subject: Re: Bob Brass Al K. , you would know more about Bob Brass than most, seeing you, along with Irwin Levine and Bob, wrote one of the biggest hits of the day - "This Diamond Ring", how did YOU write with him? Bob was a very funny character - very complex to say the least. I loved it when he would sit at the piano and sing "Rainy Days Were Made For Lonely People". Al, did you write that one with him? A good friend of mine worked at the fulton fish market, when Bob met him, he implored my friend to get him a job there. So the next morning at about 4am, he showed up. They gave him some hooks for the lifting of the heavy boxes and off he went. He lasted till about 8 or 9am!!! Al, I can see you smiling from here. I honestly can't remember writing "Coney Island Sally" with him, but who am I to argue with the S'pop elite. When I listen to the tune, it sure sounds llke I was spaced out along with Bob. Al, did you take part in any of the pranks up at Larry Spier music? I heard you guys were pretty wild. Anyway, I hope Bob's doing allright. He would`ve been great in a Woody Allen movie. Best, That Alan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:42:17 +0000 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Barry Mandilow & telerevisionism Gary Myers wrote: > I'm not sure what we are doubting, but in case this helps any: The > original "Mandy" was "Brandy", charted by Scott English in 1972. It's > my understanding that Clive Davis changed it to "Mandy" because of the > other "Brandy" by Looking Glass, just a few years before Manilow did > the song in question. Right. In his recent Kimmell appearance, though, Manilow acted as if the song had been named "Mandy" all along. Not a big deal, of course, and perhaps motivated by nothing more sinister than a desire to keep his story simple for the late-night TV audience. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:49:56 +0000 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: David Gates & the Lively Set Mikey wrote: > Picked up an interesting 45 today on my way home from work. The 1960s > Capitol "Swirl" label always catches my eye. It's called "Let The > Trumpets Sound" by a group called The Lively Set (NOT the Lively Ones > of "Surf Rider" fame). It's on Capitol 5723, orange/yellow swirl, and > the cool thing is that the song was written by David Gates!!!! The > flip is "The Green Years", the theme to the alfred Hitchcock movie > "The Torn Curtain". Both sides produced by David Axlerod. From the > matrix numbers in the deadwax, it appears "Let" is the A side. It's a > groovy record, to be sure. Condition of my copy is almost new. So, > anyone know anything about this 45? Yes, I know that you need to play it to musica! If you're able to, of course. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 02:19:31 EDT From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: more Bobby & I I love this album too Phil. I got a copy back in the '80's & it's been one of my favourites ever since. Very sought after by Japanese collectors too. Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:59:53 -0500 From: Steve Jarrell Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove Dave O: > Since I've been a member of S-pop, I haven't seen any mention of > Ronnie Dove... Just wondering if any of our contributing artists > have ever worked with him and possibly know if he's still performing > after all these years... Ronnie Dove still performs. He is in the Baltimore, MD. area. He did have a club there. I don't know if he still does or not. He still sounds great! teve Jarrell -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:25:08 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Early mistakes Just to add another hand raised for losing royalties; One of my songs, I.O.U., which was a hit here and a few other countries by Lee Greenwood, got paid here. Then it had several covers around the world where it was also a hit. That's the problem; that money I didn't see, so where the hell did it go? Other countries sometimes don't feel they need to pay you. Black box? That's one many writers go through. We are the last on the food chain, even though we created the song. There, I feel better to put that in here with everyone else who gets ripped off in this business. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:38:55 -0000 From: Andy Subject: Re: David Gates & the Lively Set Mikey wrote: > Picked up an interesting 45 today It's called "Let The Trumpets > Sound" by a group called The Lively Set 5723. So, anyone know > anything about this 45? >From borderlinebooks/uk: The Lively Set were from London: Tony Cartwright (bass), Norman Hale (organ), Jim Kent (guitar) and Mitch Mitchell(drums). The group started out backing-up Chris Stanford under the name of The Coronets. LS released 2 singles: Don't Call My Name b/w What Kind of Love on Pye in 1965 and the single you have in 1966. Sandford produced both singles. My records show another title: There's Nothing Like Coffee (straig-10206), this apeared on a recent collectors want list, if it's the same group, i'm not sure. andy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:33:50 -0000 From: David A. Young Subject: Flo and Eddie and "Paradise" A few days ago, Martin Jensen asked whether The Ronettes' "Paradise" had ever been issued in stereo. The known mixes of the song have been discussed here previously, but to the best of my knowledge, it doesn't appear in stereo on any release thus far, official or otherwise. Martin also asked which of their songs had been covered by Flo and Eddie and where, and Charles Ulrich correctly identified the original appearance of "(The Best Part of) Breakin' Up" on their second, self-titled LP. On that release, though, it ends abruptly and goes into a brief comedy bit before returning to the ending and fade. The full track can be heard in all its continuous glory on their 3-LP Rhino set "The History of Flo & Eddie and The Turtles." Dunno whether the uninterrupted version has made it to CD. Anyone? David A. Young -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:21:55 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Originals; pay-NO-la Phil M.: > Arnold Rypens' indispensable "The Originals" website > This is fantastic! Thank you - never heard of it before. Phil again: > I suppose the line between promotion and payola occurs when the > promoter expects -- and receives -- a significant amount of > additional airplay in exchange for his donations, whatever their > form. True - a line I'm proud to say we knowingly never crossed. (Jim Shannon can back me up; we were at the same radio station.) Obviously, being freeform, I couldn't be inside everyone's head or playlist every minute, but we did have the respect of the trade as being straight shooters when it came to what we were doing. (We actually even threw out a promo guy once for trying that stuff!) When you're doing what you do for love, musical freedom and $145 a week take home (about $500 in today's money), you're not going to let some jerk mess up your trip. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:43:16 -0700 From: Michael Coxe Subject: The Embers / O'Kaysions watcher Steve Jarrell wrote: > You might find the answer to the O'Kaysions album by reaching Donnie > Weaver. He was the original lead singer of the N.C. group. He has > just joined the Embers band from Raleigh, N.C. They should have a > web page. Wow, the early Embers with Jackie Gore on vocals, circa 1962-68 was a mightily hot band, or combo as we called groups then. Those long out-of-print early lps - Roll 11, Just for the Birds & Burn You A New One - were outstanding (all on Jimmy Capps JCP label; sure those tapes are long, long gone). They did opening acts slots for both the Beach Boys and the Rolling Stones, tho they got the RS date wrong on their website. Twas 1966, not 68 - I was there ;>. The Shirelles were the middle act and kicked the Stones behinds that night. And speaking of Carolina groups, I see the Kays are still around as a Beach Music oldies act. Their 60's incarnation was outa-site live. - michael -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike the Bass Player Subject: Re: Multiple versions Al Kooper: > Now that I've had a bacxkwards think, the wackiest were the black > versus white records with Pat Boone & Georgia Gibbs kicking Fats > Domino, Little Richard and Etta James' asses. No justice in the > Naked City. I would say the most blatant and unfair example of that is the Chords vs. Crew Cuts on ShBoom. No contest which was better, from a view of 40+ years later ;-) The Chords "meant it" whereas the Crew Cuts sounded like an ivy league glee club. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:53:24 -0000 From: Bob Celli Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove Ronnie Dove appeared last year with Bobby Vee and others at a show near his hometown in Maryland. Apparently he also does a radio show there. Here is a news clip from the site put up by the town of Harford: "Finally, has anyone noticed the lineup of guests who have appeared recently on "The Ronnie Dove Show" on WHFC-FM (91.1)? Brenda Lee, Johnny Tillotson, Bobby Vee, Mel Carter, Billy Joe Royal and Dolly Parton are just some of the talented folks who have dropped by or called in thus far. Ronnie's kicking around the idea of bringing some of his old friends together for an oldies concert at Harford Community College sometime during 2003. "The Ronnie Dove Show" airs Monday nights at 8:00 on WHFC-FM." Bob Celli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:41:21 EDT From: Howard Earnshaw Subject: Re: O'Kaysions Watcher - Seen! markt439: > The O'Kaysions, the group that did the soul pop classic "I'm A Girl > Watcher," recorded an LP for Cotillion (the Atlantic subsidiary). > Does anyone know if it was ever released? It was given a label number, > but I've never seen it or heard of anyone having it. 'Girl Watcher' (B. Trail-W Pittman)was released in the the UK on the Stateside label c/w 'Deal Me In' (Wayne Pittman) -- SS2126 (20/09/68), Amercan release is credited to ABC (North Sate Music). cheers.. Howard p.s.. recently seen this performed on DVD, don't know which show it was pulled from though. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:18:41 +0200 From: Stephane Rebeschini Subject: Re: Bobby & I - Corbetta/Corbitt Clark Besch a écrit: > Never heard of Bobby & I, but the song you played is GREAT!! If > Jefferson Airplane ever did this kinda stuff, they could have > sounded like this!! On the boy/girl duo thing, this reminds me of > a cool 45 and Lp by Janey (Schramm) & Dennis (Pereca) on Warner > Brothers from 1970. Produced by Jerry Corbetta of Sugarloaf fame > in 1970 on Reprise records. "Northern Boy", the 45 from the Lp, > was very different and very good vocal song. The duo also wrote > all the songs. Anyone know more about them or wanna hear "Northern > Boy"?? Again, thanks Phil for that great musical addition!! Clark The Janey & Dennis Lp was in fact produced by... Jerry Corbitt, of Youngbloods fame :0) Their LP contains some good songs, but IMHO they all tend to sound the same. Stephane -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:30:02 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Re: O'Kaysions watcher I have the O'Kaysions 'Girl Watcher' album. It is a regular issue. A number of them landed in the Tandy stores in the Uk and got sold off cheap about 20+ years ago. Album is nice, but doesn't quite match the class of the title track. Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Ronnie Dove Dave........How ya' doin'? In 1966, I wrote "Wish I Didn't Have a Heart", which Ronnie Dove recorded on an album. Unfortunately, I didn't have any personal contact with him. regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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