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Spectropop - Digest Number 1510

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. 1965 hits
           From: Gary Myers 
      2. Re: a visit to the Hall of Fame
           From: Phil X Milstein 
      3. Front Porch to musica; Teddy Bears; obscure Pitney; thanks
           From: Country Paul 
      4. Re: a visit to the Hall of Fame
           From: Mike McKay 
      5. Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
           From: Gary Myers 
      6. Payola
           From: Frank M 
      7. Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
           From: Austin Powell 
      8. Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
           From: Lyn Nuttall 
      9. Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
           From: Gary Myers 
     10. Re: Marty Cooper / Joey Cooper
           From: Frank Jastfelder 
     11. Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
           From: Bob Celli 
     12. Re: Hall Of Shame
           From: Al Kooper 
     13. Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
           From: Al Kooper 
     14. Celebration / Lou Rawls
           From: Clark Besch 
     15. R&R Pirates
           From: James Cassidy 
     16. Blonde on Blonde In Gnashville
           From: Al Kooper 
     17. Re: The Flirtations
           From: Clark Besch 
     18. Re: more on Pitney
           From: Jens Koch 
     19. Re: Gloria Lynne
           From: Clark Besch 
     20. Re: Celebration to Musica Again!
           From: Clark Besch 
     21. Mindy & The Complex to musica
           From: Clark Besch 
     22. Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track??
           From: Mike Edwards 
     23. Gene Pitney Box??
           From: Mikey 
     24. NY Club Gig
           From: Mikey 
     25. Re: Buzz & Bucky
           From: Phil X Milstein 

Message: 1 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:14:40 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: 1965 hits I thought this was interesting, from a guy named Marc Weilage, posted in a 60's newsgroup: > Nearly 1000 singles made the BILLBOARD charts in 1965, more than any > year in history. Of those songs, a whopping 322 made the Top 40 -- > also setting a record for the sheer number of major hits for a > single year. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:03:35 -0400 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: a visit to the Hall of Fame John Fox wrote: > There are really three issues: (1) the deservedness of induction; (2) > the transitive property (like with the Baseball Hall of Fame--if Phil > Rizutto gets in, shouldn't Pee Wee Reese? ... Only if his label has a big promo push behind him. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:33:10 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Front Porch to musica; Teddy Bears; obscure Pitney; thanks In support of the forthcoming Front Porch feature on Spectropop, I've played "Song To Saint Agnes" to musica. The B-side of "Shake Rattle & Roll," this haunting and unique 1970 record combines impressionistic sacred imagery with what could best be described as progressive doo-wop. Writer-lead singer Charles Purpura went on to write the screenplay for the 1978 movie "Heaven Help Us." Listen and enjoy: Joe Nelson, quoting from Dore catalogue at > Unfortunately, all stereo did for the Teddy Bears was > to reveal in painful detail the lack of singing talent in the group ... Phil M. replies: > I never knew The Teddy Bears were thought to be such lousy singers. > Am I the only one who didn't know they were "bad"? I've got a split here; the middle-road stuff on the Imperial album is largely disappointing, not as much because of the singing but because of the mismatch of material to the group. On their original material, those beautiful classical-romantic Spector ballads, they shine. The antithesis of the "wall" of sound, this was the "spiderweb" of sound - using very few parts to create a fully-realized arrangement, delicately interwoven (and occasionally overdubbed) to create voice-leading that was sophisticated beyong the group's young years. And I think all of them sang very well in general. Check out the songs after "To Know Him..." like "Wonderful Loveable You" and the romantic-era-influenced "Oh Why," "You Said Goodbye" and "He Doesn't Need Me Anymore." *Those* are what should have been on the Imperial album! Al Kooper: > Favorite obscure Pitney trax? Mine is One Day. Also love Donna Means > Heartbreak & Marianne. Put in my vote for "Teardrop By Teardrop" and "Take It Like A Man." (You already noted "Donna.") Thanks... Harvey Kubernik's tribute to Barney Kessel is truly impressive. Thanks, Harvey and the S'pop team. I knew Kessel was pretty amazing; I just didn't know exactly *how* amazing! Finally, Gary Myers, thank you for the Statues info. (Spectropop sure is amazing!) Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:37:57 EDT From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: a visit to the Hall of Fame Hal Muskat wrote: > Does the fact the museum is in Cleveland have anything to do with > anything? I doubt it. In fact, I'm sure it galls the powers that be at the RRHOF that the physical building is located there -- when they would far prefer it to be in NYC (where the induction ceremonies have been held every year but one, IIRC) or L.A. There are those who know the full story far better than I, so corrections to this are welcome. But on the surface at least, it appeared that Cleveland (both its officials and its citizens) mounted a campaign to bring the Hall to their city that simply overwhelmed every other city's efforts -- and just couldn't be ignored. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:58:29 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track?? Lyn: > Pitney began including "Who Needs It?" on his Australian tours, > once he figured out that the Aussies yelling out "Who Needs It?" > at his concerts weren't hecklers but fans requesting this song ... When we backed him in Milwaukee in '63, someone requested "Louisiana Mama". IIRC, he laughed about it, but finally did a little of it. I guess it is one of his earliest obscurities. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:31:25 +0100 From: Frank M Subject: Payola Previously: > Payola, as I understand it to where it makes some sense, is when > records were played for pay (or other reimbursement) and went > undeclared as income by the DJ and/or station. It was when the > government didn't get their cut that got them into trouble. ...and when other media were under attack Rock'n'Roll was a handier distraction. Payola ie entertianing customers, assiting those who helped you pop music paled into insignificance compared to what defence, aero construction etc industries were greasing palms with. In the fifties it got caught up in an argument that Tin pan alley writers of proper music were being done out of commissions by people whom they felt had to pay to get that rock'n'roll nonsense on the radio. It has always existed in the entertainment business from the days of vaudevile and continues in some shape or form thru to today. I believe it is called independent promotion. Just the facts with a dash of comment ma'am. Frankm -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:38:15 +0100 From: Austin Powell Subject: Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track?? Howard suggested: > I'd like to nominate "She's A Heartbreaker", a great Inez & Charlie > Foxx composition. Simon: > I'll second itm Howard -- didn't Richard "Popcorn" Wylie produce Again, from Roger Dopson's notes on Sanctuary's Gene Pitney "Ultimate Collection", it quotes GP only as saying Teacho Wiltshire was the arranger on the session and that he heard Charlie Foxx and Jerry Williams playing it as he walked out of Musicor's offices one night and liked it so much he felt he had to have a crack at it... He goes on to say how Musicor were a bit "afraid" of the record and test marketed it in the mid-west with a label that just credited "P.G."... It got good airplay, so they re-presented it with GP's name of the label which, he says, then lost them a lot of the early support in those markets... As for a favourite track, obscure or otherwise, and bearing in mind I love 'em all, I've always had a soft spot for "If I Didn't Have A Dime (To Play the Jukebox)". Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:00:58 +1000 From: Lyn Nuttall Subject: Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track?? Stewart wrote, in connection with Howard's suggestion of "She's A Heartbreaker": > A fabulous track, but it was actually one of Gene's hits. This may illustrate my earlier point about Pitney's repertoire varying from market to market. This song did indeed chart Top 20 in the States (a hit), but doesn't seem to have made such an impression in Britain (an obscurity?). Here in Australia, it was something of a hit in three of the major cities, but not in Sydney, where it may well be an obscurity. I assume you'd find this sort of thing if you compared, say, different cities in the US. Another song that was quite popular in its own right down here was "Hawaii", another case of radio flipping over a record ("It Hurts To Be In Love") and making a hit of the B-side as well. Lyn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:55:42 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track?? Previously: > I'd like to nominate "She's A Heartbreaker"... Stewart Mason: > It was also his last chart record. Last top 40, yes, but he did have two minor chart records after that, both previously mentioned - "Billy ..." and "She Lets Her Hair ...". I have a later obscurity - his medley of "It's Over" and "It's Over" (Roy Orbison - Jimmie Rogers), which I think was produced by Jerry Fuller. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:08:39 +0200 From: Frank Jastfelder Subject: Re: Marty Cooper / Joey Cooper Is Marty Cooper related to Joey Cooper? I got a 45 on RCA (47-8569) by Joey Cooper that has both sides written by him and Lee Hazlewood together. Not your typical Lee songs though. They are way too uplifting. Appreciate any help on this. Frank J. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 11:47:50 -0000 From: Bob Celli Subject: Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track?? I would vote for "House Without Windows" as my favorite. Both versions I've heard, the one by Gene and also the one by Roy Orbison, are great examples of sixties pop! Bob Celli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 05:22:49 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Hall Of Shame John Fox wrote: > So I went to the information desk and asked the man there if the Hall > had any video footage of Jackie Wilson. The guy's reply was, "Is she > an inductee?" That really sums it up better than anything I could say. That said: The RRHOF is run by fat record company presidents. They and their pals vote every year on who gets inducted. It seems to be based on people who earned a sufficient amount of money for them. They do NOT honor people outside their clique who served behind the scenes, i.e. Allen Toussaint, Marshall Sehorn, James Burton, Scotty Moore, Vinnie Bell, Chris Stone, Gary Kellegren, Chris Stainton and people like that. I attended the induction ceremony (as a guest of Stephen King) the year (1993, I think) that Cream reformed to play a one-off at the show. I really wanted to see that, but not enough to fork over the $1000 a plate ticket price, so I was excited to be King's guest. I had dropped out of the biz in 1989. I was snubbed that night by EVERYONE there except the musicians that were performing, because I no longer was of any use to any of them. That reinforced my decision to drop out as having been anatomically correct. While Frankie Lymon & The Teenagers were being inducted, Ertegun, Ostin and others retired to the lobby for cigars. When Del Shannon was inducted, Max Crook, who co-wrote Runaway and played his great solos for Shannon on a hand-built keyboard, was not given guest privileges and had to buy two tickets to attend. He should have been let in gratis just for his last name! It was then I decided that it was good that I wouldn't qualify for this Hall of Shame, and if by some miracle I was ever inducted, I would decline or give a speech that would prevent them from handing me their ridiculous "award." When I was putting together my last box set, Rare & Well Done, in 2001, Jaan Uhelszki, a great rockwriter who did the liner notes, went out and got quotes from my peers such as Bill Payne, Billy Gibbons, John Hiatt, Steve Winwood, Taj Mahal, Gene Pitney and Andy Partridge, and printed them in the accompanying booklet. That truly sufficed as a lifetime achievement award for me -- people that I actually admired said really nice things about me, unsolicited. Cleveland or not -- it don't get better than that for this guy in this lifetime! Old Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 05:30:14 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track?? Michel's choice: > "Billy, You're My Friend", in 1968, was a grandiose song. What a > thrill to communicate with you, Al! aw shucks... ain't no big thang :-p -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:22:07 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Celebration / Lou Rawls (That) Alan, Great story with Lou R. That Blockbuster wasn't on "Dead End Street", was it? If only he was a "Natural Man" like you were trying to be?? Ok, ok..... Anyway, sorry, but I DON"T have the Celebration's "Celebrity Ball" 45. Our friend, Karl Baker, turned me on to that title from your repitiore. Karl are you listening? We wanna hear this version! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:22:15 -0400 From: James Cassidy Subject: R&R Pirates Alan Gordon wrote: > I would however pay to visit a rock n roll pirates pavillion, where > all the infamous crooks would be displayed in wax! Interesting idea, Mr. G. The trick would be finding a building big enough to house them all. Jim Cassidy, Curator of the Morris Levy Wing -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 04:36:59 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Blonde on Blonde In Gnashville Here's an unusual gig coming up on July 22nd in Gnashville, TN. A buncha my pals put an all star band together, and every month they play a one-nighter and perform a classic album in sequence. So it'll be Blonde on Blonde this night with visiting yours truly playing all the keyboard parts I played on the original album. There are cameos by famous residents on vocals and Bill Lloyd & Gary Tallent lead the band. It's at 12th & Porter and there is but one show that night. Come be stuck inside of Gnashville with the Memphis Blues Again! A Southern Spectropopper delight if ever there was one. Love to see all you Gnashvillians after the show as well. Old Al Kooper & a rented B3 -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:12:10 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: The Flirtations James: > I love the Flirtations, they are my fave group. I have almost every > one of their songs. I would love hear 'Dirty Work' and the b-side > 'No Such Thing As A Miracle', plus 'Take Me In Your Arms'. Can > anyone assist? James, Not sure if yours is the first post of this thread, but I have been confused by 2 Flirtations videos I have. They seem to have no vinyl counterpart! Why would a group make videos for songs that aren't even on Lps?? You mention one above, "Take me in Your Arms and Love me" and the other is titled "Hold on to me Babe" according to my listings (maybe I decided that was the title??). I think one of their Deram B sides I have was also non-Lp, but can't recall the title. The Flirtations had a great song, agreed! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:24:04 +0200 From: Jens Koch Subject: Re: more on Pitney Who were Pitney's producers -- apart from Spector, Pitney and Wylie? I know that's a big question that could end with multiple answers, but who were the main ones? Austin Powell wrote: > There was an excellent 50-track double CD of Gene issued in the UK > by Sanctuary in 2000. What was the title of that collection, and is it still available? Jens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:26:50 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Gloria Lynne gem: > ... For information on Gloria Lynne, call Long at (404) 664-1925 > or the R&B Foundation at 1-800-258-3799. Gary, a great post. It is a shame how many artists (probably all?) have lost so much money out of their pockets in the attempt to get a foot in the music business. Then, with success, had to realize someone else got all the money from their early mistakes! Thanks, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:03:01 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Celebration to Musica Again! Paul Richards wrote: > Thanks Clark for the 'Celebration' track, totally love it! Best > 'new' 60's track I've heard this year since The Morning Glories > 'Love - in' on the amazing Warners softpop comp. I'd love to hear > the B-side. Paul, Glad you liked the A side. I like the B side even more, now playin to Musica. I really like the way they represent the rain drops in the sound and the stop and start vocals. One of a handful of "rain" 45s I played occasionally on my radio show on appropriate occasions. Am so far behind since the holiday, I am probably behind EVEN YOU, Paul! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 06:05:26 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Mindy & The Complex to musica Hi, as requested, I posted Mindy & The Complex' "Part the Curtains of my Hair" to Musica. It is Athena 5011, which i received in 9/69. A subsiderary of Stereo Dimension Records, like the evolution label records I've spoken of recently. Again, not a stereo 45!! WHY?? Anyway, the song was written by Jon Reid, produced by Rick Powell. Not a bad song. If anyone wants to hear the B side, a great Chip Taylor song, I'll do it when I take something down. Enjoy, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:45:28 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Re: Favorite obscure Pitney track?? All credit to Gene Pitney for being one of those artists whose back catalog is a joy to troll through; the gems just keep popping out. Here are a few that I don't think have been mentioned in our recent comments on Gene's lesser known tracks: "The Boss' Daughter" great blue-collar storyline in the style of the Reflections' "Poor Man's Son" and Dickey Lee's "The Day The Sawmill Closed Down". Good song too. "Keep Tellin' Yourself" from Tony Powers and Ellie Greenwich and also recorded (but not bettered) by Marv Johnson "I'm Gonna Find Myself A Girl" Nice brooding piano into on a song that builds. Written (I believe) by the UK writing team who comprised the vocal group the Avons in the early 60s. "Dream For Sale" From as early as 1961 and I always thought this was ahead of its time. Great organ break on a song co-written by Phil Spector and later recorded (but again, not bettered) by Joey Paige. "Little Betty Fallin' Star" one of a few Bacharach-David tracks recorded by Gene. Also recorded by the Cascades (sorry Gene, theirs was better) and George Hamilton IV. "Aladdin's Lamp" one of Gene's own compositions with Gene calling out to a genie who responds in a bass voice. I wonder who sang that part. "If I Didn't Have A Dime" a b-side, but not too obscure as it did chart in the US. From Bert Berns and Phil Medley, this was such a fine recording from 1962. A b-side? That speaks volumes for the quality of the work that Gene was putting out in the 60s. "Tomorrow Is A Comin'" A Gene composition for Clyde McPhatter in 1961. It's not "Lover Please" but still a strong 45 from Clyde's pop/r&b days at Mercury Records. Some more: "Teardrop By Teardrop", "Tower Tall" and "Tell The Moon To Go To Sleep" Trivia note The above mentioned Avons recorded a Gene tune, "Rubber Ball" in competition with Bobby Vee's version for the UK market in 1961. Mike Edwards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:19:35 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Gene Pitney Box?? You know, speaking of Gene Pitney, when Bear Family does 5 Cd Box Sets of Jerry Lee Lewis and Lesley Gore, good as they are, why haven't we seen a 5 or 6 Cd set on Gene Pitney?? God knows Gene has recorded enough GOOD tracks to fill up such a set, and what a great way to finally collect all the "lost" Pitney classics in one place. What do you folks think? Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:47:56 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: NY Club Gig For all NYC Spectropoppers: My band, Mr Action and The Boss Guitars, will be playing two power packed sets of 60s Instrumentals this Friday, June 4th, at 8:30 pm sharp at Ottos Shrunken Head Lounge in the East Village. OTTOS Shrunken Head is located at: 538 E 14th St New York, NY 10009-3347 Cross Street: Between Avenue A and Avenue B Phone: (212) 228-2240 Now, as I said, we will be doing two sets of INSTRUMENTALS, just like The Ventures. Set One will be our "British Invasion" set , where will be doing songs like "Mrs Brown", "The Game Of Love", and "I Want To Hold Your Hand". Set Two is of course the Surf set, with "Pipeline", "Walk Dont Run", "Wipeout, etc. We wear matching Red Jackets, white shirts and crossties. It's a trip back to the 60s!!! Come on down, but PLEASE, if you come, make sure you are there by 8:30 for the first set. We need people there for the first set to impress the club owner. Hope to see you there!!! Mikey aka Mr Action -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:31:04 +0000 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Buzz & Bucky Martin Roberts wrote: > This extract is from Stephen's Book "Sound Waves And Traction - Surf > And Hot Rod Groups of The '60s", Volume 2, chapter 8, Gary Paxton-Buzz > Cason-The Eligibles, this ties in neatly with chapter 12, Ronny Dayton- > Bucky Wilkin. It is now possible to buy Stephen's books by PayPal. I'd > suggest no home should be without them! Did Cason & Wilkin do all their session work from Nashville, or were they relocated in L.A. at the time? Stranger things have happened, but much as I try I just can't quite conjure an image of Nashville as a surf and hot rod hotbed. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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