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Spectropop - Digest Number 1502

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Cloudy Summer Afternoon
           From: Jens Koch 
      2. Re: Gene Pitney
           From: John Berg 
      3. Les Philippes
           From: Mark Wirtz 
      4. Re: So Goes Love
           From: Charles Ulrich 
      5. Re: Herb Abramson
           From: Leslie Fradkin 
      6. Re: Wizzard
           From: Charles Ulrich 
      7. Rosetta Hightower & the Orlons
           From: Will Stos 
      8. Rudy Clark? /  R. Clark? / "Love Of The Common People"?
           From: Sean 
      9. Rosetta Hightower & the Orlons
           From: Sean 
     10. Re: So Goes Love
           From: Chuck Limmer 
     11. Re: So Goes Love
           From: J. Stewart 
     12. Jo Armstead
           From: jerophonic 
     13. Re: So Goes Love
           From: Brent 
     14. Re: Superbabs & Charlie Calello
           From: Richard Havers 
     15. Alan Freed
           From: Al Kooper 
     16. Re: Gene Pitney
           From: David Coyle 
     17. Re: Wizzard
           From: Chuck Limmer 
     18. Spyderbaby
           From: Richard Havers 
     19. The Fifth Estate LP
           From: David Coyle 
     20. Re: Herb - Dore Alpert
           From: Wes Smith 
     21. Whoda thunk? (you can't make this stuff up...)
           From: Joe Nelson 
     22. Re: Herb - Dore Alpert
           From: Phil X Milstein 
     23. Re: Gene Pitney
           From: Mikey 
     24. Murray the K and the Beatles
           From: David Coyle 
     25. Re: Gene Pitney
           From: Al Kooper 

Message: 1 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:41:17 +0200 From: Jens Koch Subject: Re: Cloudy Summer Afternoon Jim Shannon: > Anyone recall a Barry McGuire release called "Cloudy Summer > Afternoon"? The song was released during the summer of '66 > but charted poorly, only reaching the top 30 or so. Seem to > remember nice lyrics and melody to it. Is it available on CD? It's also listed on an Anthology at: The price is pretty interesting : $98.98 ! Jens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:50:59 EDT From: John Berg Subject: Re: Gene Pitney Dear Mike, Thanks for your comments on the subject of a possible new Pitney album. When I used the word "contemporary", I did not have in mind the use of synth drums and MIDI "strings", "horns" and so forth. Nor did I mean "Gene goes hip hop". To me the ideal model of fresh new recordings by classic artists were the studio and live albums cut by Roy Orbison in the '80s which resulted in his renaissance. Certainly those albums did not pander to "the latest fashions", but simply let Roy's huge talent emerge all over again to a new generation (as well as those of us who followed him from the start, yes with Sun Records and subsequent labels.) I frankly found Roy's last recordings far superior to some of the "middle of the road" stuff he cut in the late '60s, when he was submerged under various producers' ideas of what was "commercial" at the time. Gene Pitney has a worldwide audience who expect a certain sound and style of him. Great melodies, a lot of drama, telling a story (hmmm, sounds rather like Roy Orbison's "formula"!) The question is, can Pitney satisfy them while not being stuck in the "oldies" rut? Surely there remains life in his writing and singing that just begs for a round of new recordings and some coherant marketing? John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Les Philippes I wrote: > Since, after a lengthy sabbatical, I symbolically stepped onto a plane > last July to "return" to the music "biz" by producing Spain's "Les > Philippes" debut album,... Paul Woods: > Nice! Thanks, Mark. My first impression on listening to "Swimming" was > how like the Incredible String Band c.1968 the beginning sounded! Thanks for listening. As it were, an astounding number of young, happening Barcelona Rock bands have passionately infused themselves with music from the 60's ("new" music to them) and their writing brims with Beatles, Dylan, ELO, etc. influences. While trying to present the band with a relatively contemporary attitude, I felt it only appropriate to honestly protect and celebrate their retro-roots, rather than masking, or disguising them. > Unintentional, probably, but a hard sound to recreate. Hardly intentional if anything, I intentionally stayed away from as many pastiches or cliches possible. But, a Zebra is a Zebra, even if you paint over their stripes. So, I merely gave the stripes a bit of varnish. One thing, though - while many of the classic UK 60's sounds were very processed and mutli-layered, I produced the Les Philippes CD virtually live in the studio, with only a marginal degree of overdubs or effects, in order to arrive at a portrait photo rather than a painting. > Who are these guys? "Les Philippes" sounds more French than Spanish. No kidding! Alas, it does happen to be an authentic Spanish name (in that region). Knowing that the world (who in many parts of it - notably the US - is pouring French wines down the toilet and rather travel to the North Pole than to Paris for a vacation in protest)would assume that the band is French, I begged them to change that name to something a bit more "universal." They refused (bless 'em, they're stubborn but wonderful guys), just like they refused to change the deceiving album title from "Philharmonic Philanthropy" to the far more fitting title "Lens." Bottom line, though, they are a great band - and fantastic live! - and their unspoilt joy and passion for the music DOES remind me of the spirit that the bands in 60's London had. What a pleasure it was to be working with musicians, rather than juvenile stock brokers with guitars in their hands. So, what the hell - viva la psychedelia! Best, mark w :) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 10:54:58 -0700 From: Charles Ulrich Subject: Re: So Goes Love AZ wrote: > The song is "So Goes Love". The version I just listened to is by > Shirley Abicair on "Here Comes The Girls", which I believe someone > here had something to do with. But I once knew another version. It's > killing me. Can anyone tell me what version I'm thinking of or who > else did it? I want to say The Turtles, but that's a desperation shot. But an accurate one, nonetheless. The Turtles' 1966 recording of "So Goes Love" went unreleased at first, but it eventually surfaced on their Golden Hits LP (1967). It's now available on the two-CD Solid Zinc (2002). The song was written by Gerry Goffin and Carole King. --Charles -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:15:33 -0600 From: Leslie Fradkin Subject: Re: Herb Abramson Herb Abramson. Wow! A name from my past as well! I recorded dozens of singles and album stuff at Herb's studio. The Godz, The Left Banke, California and Thornton Fradkin & Unger all had stuff recorded there. I used Jonathan Thayer as the engineer as well as Herb. Also worked with Tommy Tucker, Otis Blackwell and Louisiana Red there as well as a session bassist.. I remember that the lobby always had all sorts of "characters" running about. I also recall that the Burger Joint next door had terrific greasy spoon burgers. Regards, Les Fradkin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:33:30 -0700 From: Charles Ulrich Subject: Re: Wizzard Ken Silverwood: > Plus Wizzard did a full album of songs sounding as though they > were made by singers of "yesteryear", like Neil, Del & Dion. Roy Wood's Wizzard, Introducing Eddy And The Falcons (UA LA219-G, 1974). --Charles -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:34:15 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Rosetta Hightower & the Orlons Joe Nelson wrote: > P.S. I found out about two weeks that Rosetta (Hightower) the lead > singer on most of The Orlons songs is alive and doing well in London > England. Hope this helps. Is Rosetta still performing? I bought an album that had an updated version of "Spinning Top" on it credited to the Orlons. It sounds remarkably close to the original, but the sound quality is much better. I presume these are "the original performers as advertised." If so, wow, she actually (truthfully) sounds better than ever. Or, is this an old vocal track with new instrumentation? Anyone know - it's a four-CD set called something like 80 Soul Stompers our something. A lot of very good re-recordings. They stayed faithful. Will : ) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:52:21 -0000 From: Sean Subject: Rudy Clark? / R. Clark? / "Love Of The Common People"? Does anyone know a website or have detailed information on Rudy Clark? I know he wrote "It's In His Kiss (The Shoop Shoop Song)" and he even wrote "Got My Mind Set On You" by George Harrison. But I often come across obscure UK groups with a song credited to R. Clark. For example: Pennsylvania Sixpence - "Love Of The Common People/Midweek Excursion" on PYE 7N 17326 (1967). The B-Side is by R. Clark (Sparta Music). Is this the same person? Who was he? A Black American or?? Did he release any of his own material? Also who did "Love Of The Common People" originally? This version is on the, unusual for the Chess Label, US only 1967 LP, called 'Petal Pushers' of all UK groups. Thanks for any help, Sean -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 19:02:07 -0000 From: Sean Subject: Rosetta Hightower & the Orlons Around 1968 Rosetta Hightower recorded for the UK Label Toast. And Ian Green (Revelation) left his then wife for her. So she's probably been living in England since then. Sean -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:18:14 -0700 From: Chuck Limmer Subject: Re: So Goes Love Alan Zweig wrote: > The song is "So Goes Love"... Can anyone tell me what version I'm > thinking of or who else did it? I want to say The Turtles... Good guess. The Turtles' version of "So Goes Love" first appeared on THE TURTLES GOLDEN HITS (White Whale WWS-7115, 1967), and can currently be found on Rhino's exemplary two-disc comp from a couple of years ago, SOLID ZINC. According to that set's liner notes, "The Turtles recorded Gerry Goffin and Carole King's "So Goes Love" in April 1966. Although it fell in line with their current style, "So Goes Love" sat on the shelf until October 1967's Greatest Hits." Chuck Limmer -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 00:20:55 +0100 From: J. Stewart Subject: Re: So Goes Love The Monkees recorded "So Goes Love", apparently before The Turtles, but it wasn't finished and released at the time. It can be found on "Missing Links". J.S. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:07:38 -0000 From: jerophonic Subject: Jo Armstead Anyone familiar with a record by Jo Armstead called "I Feel an Urge Comin' On"? Is it currently available in any format? And are Jo and Joshie Armstead the same person? Thanks. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 23:44:26 -0000 From: Brent Subject: Re: So Goes Love Dan Hughes wrote: > Yep, the Turtles did a version of "So Goes Love". It's on the > Sundazed IT AIN'T ME BABE CD as a bonus track (it wasn't on the > original LP. Liner notes on the CD say: > > So Goes Love was a Goffin-King song of haunting resignation that > was also recorded with the original band (Portz on bass, Don Murray > on drums before he was replaced by John Barbata, and Jim Tucker on > rhythm guitar). It was an appropriate vehicle for Howard's softer > voice, but was never really finished (orchestrated) by producer > Bones Howe. Also, in the early 80's Rhino had it as a bonus track on the re-ish of the Happy Together vinyl LP (probably fits better on the 1st album). The Monkees' Missing Links LP/CD has a version (from their 1st LP sessions) on it. Not my favorite Monkees song, but the CD does contain a killer Bacharachalike song by Nez (My Share Of The Sidewalk) which sports more time signature changes than The Rite Of Spring. Best, Brent -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:52:55 +0100 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Superbabs & Charlie Calello (That) Alan Gordon wrote: > If you ever get the chance listen to the arrangement he did on "I > Ain't Gonna Cry Tonight", it's on her WET album. Charlie did an > arrangement that's staggering. It's more like Freddy Mercury than > Streisand. I LOVE Charlie Calello. Alan, I agree with you on CC's arrangement of 'Cry Tonight'. Your comparison with Freddie Mercury is perfect. I dare say Freddie would be flattered. He loved Barbra Streisand's music. Charlie's arrangements on Frank Sinatra's 'Watertown' album is another outstanding piece of work. 'For A While', 'Michael & Peter' and 'Elizabeth' all stand out amongst Frank's later work, although they're a lot different to 'Cry tonight'. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 16:00:07 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Alan Freed > but his breakthroughs in presenting music on radio still enriched > rock 'n' roll and pop and rock, and make him second only to Alan Freed I got paid for the Alan Freed shows..... AK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Gene Pitney Boy, I love Gene Pitney's music. Love to listen to it, love to sing along to it...although I can't really do so in public for fear of going all "Johnny Ray" on such tearjerkers as "I Must Be Seeing Things" and "I'm Gonna Be Strong." I did, however, bring the house down at a party once, doing a karaoke version of "Town Without Pity." This followed my breakneck version of "Lonely Teardrops" by Jackie Wilson that totally wrecked my voice for the night. I would love to see Gene make a big comeback, although for Orbison and Shannon, it brought recognition that almost came too late... David P.S. I've never noticed this in photographs, but in old video clips from the '60s, Gene strikingly resembles Bishop Fulton J. Sheen of "Life Is Worth Living" fame, apart from the church finery... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 12:36:38 -0700 From: Chuck Limmer Subject: Re: Wizzard Ken Silverwood wrote: > Wizzard did a full album of songs sounding as though they were made > by singers of "yesteryear", like Neil, Del & Dion. I had the album > but I think it went in a "cull". Damn. Got the singles though! That'd be the amazing INTRODUCING EDDY AND THE FALCONS (United Artists UA-LA219-G, 1974), on which Roy Wood demonstrated his affection for, and mastery of, the styles of a handful of classic '50s and '60s artists. On "Everyday I Wonder," he showed what the Beach Boys might've sounded like covering a Del Shannon track. Other treasures were his tribute to both Neil Sedaka *and* Paul Anka, "Come Back Karen," and the transcendent "This Is The Story Of My Love (Baby)," about which Joel Vance of _Stereo Review_ wrote: "Imagine that Phil Spector had done the basic instrumental tracks for a Ronettes date... but the Ronettes forgot to show up and Spector abandoned the tapes. Then along came the Four Seasons... the Seasons added a vocal in the Ronettes style, with an assist by the Shirelles... I must warn you that repeated listenings to it are positively addicting." Still true, even thirty (!) years later. And, yeah, I still have *my* copy. ;-) Chuck Limmer -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 21:08:29 +0100 From: Richard Havers Subject: Spyderbaby An advance copy of the Spyderbaby CD just appeared on my door mat, and I have to say it's a great piece of work. Anyone on S'pop with a love for harmony, great tunes and damn fine lyrics should definitely try to get hold of a copy. I'm not sure what the release details are (no doubt Mark will let us know soonest). It's a great 'radio record' that is worthy of a place in anyone's collection. Rob Stride and Mickey Groome have written or co-written most of the album and the songs are superb. There performance's are outstanding too. 'Glassblowing' co-written with (That) Alan Gordon is just so bloody infectious that I'm finding it hard to get it out of my mind. It, and the whole of the album, is set to become my soundtrack to the summer. If the new Brian Wilson has as many good songs then the summer will be complete. Song writing is back! Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: The Fifth Estate LP Yesterday, I scored a very good copy of the Fifth Estate's 1967 LP with their hit "Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead." I was happy to find this as there are a number of tracks that weren't included on the Fifth Estate CD a few years back, including covers of "I'm A Believer" and "In The Midnight Hour," songs that appeared in demo form on the CD, and a Wayne Wadhams original "Kisses For Breakfast." I think the Fifth Estate has been discussed on here before. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 21:04:21 -0000 From: Wes Smith Subject: Re: Herb - Dore Alpert Steve Fuji: > Does anyone know who the vocalist was on the flip side of "Dina" > which was called "You're Doing What You Did With Me With Him?" It > doesn't sound at all like Alpert, but sounds like an imitation of > Bobby Vee. I have had this single since 1965 and have not been able > to find out much about it. That would be Lew Bedell's cousin, HERB NEWMAN, Era Records, followed by a split, at which time Herb kept Era and Lew started Dore, I believe. Also, didn't Herb Alpert have a son by the name of Dore??? I'm sure that I've heard that before. In fact, unless I'm getting senile in my old age, I thought that I had seen a photo of him many years ago. Wes Smith -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:38:22 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Whoda thunk? (you can't make this stuff up...) Fred Clemens: > Secondly, here are a couple of links that should answer your > questions about Herb Alpert and Dore Records: > >From the site in reference: "Dore Records started with a #1 hit in August, 1958, with "To Know Him Is to Love Him" by a trio called the Teddy Bears. The song was written and produced by Phil Spector, the leader of the group, which also contained Annette Kleinbard, and Marshall Lieb. After the one hit, the Teddy Bears left Dore for the greener pastures of the larger Imperial label in 1959. Spector at Imperial was given the latitude to record an album for his group, which was one of the first stereo albums released. Unfortunately, all stereo did for the Teddy Bears was to reveal in painful detail the lack of singing talent in the group, which after the album was history. Phil Spector, of course, went on to become one of the great producers in rock and roll history, but became a noted stereo-hater." Nice to have that cleared up. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:51:32 +0000 From: Phil X Milstein Subject: Re: Herb - Dore Alpert Steve Fuji wrote: > Dore records was a sub-label of Era records which was run by Lew > Biddell and his cousin whose name escapes me at the moment. Herb Newman. > entirely possible that Alpert had encounters with them at some time, > since the L.A. indy-label world was a small one at that time. I > always wondered where the "Dore Alpert" name came from. An obvious nod to Rod -- McKuen, that is, who was coming off his hit as "Bob McFadden and Dor" at the time. Never let it be said I don't try to be helpful! --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:08:16 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Gene Pitney Very interesting reading about Gene Pitney. Its especially interesting to me because around two years ago, I contacted Gene about his very subject. What had happened was that I was watching a bootleg video of an episode of "Shindig" from 1965. On this episode, Shindig regular Jerry Naylor debuted a new song called "The City Lights". I was immediately taken with the song, and realized that it sounded exactly like a song Gene Pitney would have had a smash with back in the 60s. Remembering the success Roy Orbison had on his 80s comeback, returning to his classic sound, I decided to contact Gene, who I had met previously. I did get ahold of Gene, explained that this obscure song, if produced a certain way in Genes original style, could be a return to what Gene did best, and that might make the pop charts. Gene, as everyone knows, is such a nice guy, he listened to what I had to say, then asked me for a tape, which I did send, then emailed me a few days later. His response was to tune of "Well, if I recorded that, folks would think it was an old Pitney song". He was very nice about it, but I always wanted to reply "An old Pitney song is better than the new Pitney songs!!! I also thought that with the right production, no one would think it was an old song. Oh well. I've actually been thinking of contacting Gene again and revisiting this. Can anyone here on SP email me Gene's email address?? Many thanks for letting me share this story!!!! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 13:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Murray the K and the Beatles Actually, I thought Lennon DID call him "wacker," which is a slang word applied to people from Liverpool at that time. I don't think Lennon would have used the word "wanker" in a phone-in radio song plug, if that term was even one he would have known. What I did notice about that new DVD is that there is a clip in the extras showing the Beatles entourage and Murray leaving the Peppermint Lounge. Murray the K is pretty much left alone as the rest of the group leaves, and he really looks like a lonely man in real life, who really just wanted to be recognized by these new American superstars. He really put on a face for the cameras and for the microphone. Then again, maybe he might have BEEN a lonely man thanks to a reputation for actions like you described, Al. Who knows? David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 18:29:30 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Gene Pitney InArtie Wayne: > I can't tell you how excited I was when he recorded, "Peanuts, > Popcorn and Crackerjacks", which I wrote with Ben Raleigh. Al... > any chance did you play on that track? Perhaps because I wrote & played on Gene's Don't Take Candy From A Stranger. I did not play on Peanuts, Popcorn & Crackerjacks..... Al "Kandy" Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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