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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: RIP Ritchie Cordell, Ramones & Lesley Gore
           From: Jim Allio 
      2. Re: "The Penthouse" -- Hoo-Hah!
           From: Chris Schneider 
      3. Re: Ritchie Cordell R.I.P.
           From: Frank Murphy 
      4. Jahns
           From: Al Kooper 
      5. Re: Schlagers
           From: Charles Ulrich 
      6. Wally Gold
           From: Al Kooper 
      7. Re: The Penthouse
           From: Al Kooper 
      8. Re: The Penthouse
           From: Frank Jastfelder 
      9. Re: Helter Skelter Books
           From: Frank Jastfelder 
     10. Re: The Jordan Bros.
           From: Al Quaglieri 
     11. Re: Schlager
           From: Stewart Mason 
     12. Re: The Jordan Brothers
           From: Peter Lerner 
     13. Re: Barbara Ruskin
           From: astro4004 
     14. Re: Sinatra's bottom
           From: astro4004 
     15. Ersel Hickey
           From: Gary Myers 
     16. Re: The Jordan Brothers
           From: Dave O'Gara 
     17. Re: "Pied Piper"
           From: Austin Roberts 
     18. Re: Kit Kats komp
           From: Steve Harvey 
     19. Re: Kit Kats komp
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     20. Re: Back to Mono
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     21. Re: obscure g.g. records
           From: astro4004 
     22. Re: copyright law
           From: Scott Swanson 
     23. Re: filesharing and downloading
           From: Freeman Carmack 
     24. Re: on The Zonk
           From: John Hamilton 
     25. Dickie Lee/She's Walking Away
           From: Mark Hill 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:12:07 EDT From: Jim Allio Subject: Re: RIP Ritchie Cordell, Ramones & Lesley Gore Ritchie Cordell produced a song with The Ramones and Lesley Gore, "1 2 3 4 Rock N Roll," which Gore co-wrote, that has yet to be released. Photo from the session ran in Billboard, Stereo Review, etc. early 80s I think. Girlschool later covered it successfully, especially in UK. Jim Allio ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 10:59:27 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Schneider Subject: Re: "The Penthouse" -- Hoo-Hah! James Botticelli wrote: > I have The Penthouse in my collection of OST's.... Creepy looking > flick. I don't believe I've sat down and listened all the way > through. Comments? Well its cast does include Martine Beswick, of "Prehistoric Women" and "One Million Years, B.C." and "Doctor Jeckyll and Sister Hyde" -- hoo-hah! (As Mad Magazine used to say.) IMdB reveals that there's a song with lyrics by Hal Shaper, who wrote the words for "Softly, As I Leave You." Sung by a certain Lisa Shane. Possibly the same Lisa Shane who was in "A Slice of Pye" with Tony Hatch and Jackie Trent? Chris ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 20:26:42 +0100 From: Frank Murphy Subject: Re: Ritchie Cordell R.I.P. > ALL ACCESS sends out condolences to the family and friends of > renowned NEW YORK songwriter RITCHIE CORDELL who died on APRIL > 13th at the age of 61... I think I have all of them on 45's and three of them are versions of I Think we're alone now. His song writing and production skills are still appreciated by teenagers today. I was asked for and played Tiffany's version at a university disco on Saturday night and Joan Jett's I Love Rock'n'Roll kept them on the Dance Floor. I gather these records are still popular because they were used on film soundtracks. He obviously had a good ear for a song unless some one tipped him off about an Arrows B side that gave Joan Jett a hit. FrankM reflections on northern soul Saturdays at 14:30 or listen now www.radiomagnetic.com/archive/rnb.php ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 15:52:02 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Jahns > Peter G. -- The ice-cream place on Kingsbridge Road in the Bronx > was Jahn's. And, yeah, that Kitchen Sink huge-combo sundae could > put you in a coma for a week. My girlfriend Tina (now my wife) > and I went there plenty of times. We have a photo of the two of > us leaving Jahn's on a snowy night in 1968. They had one of those right up the street from where I grew up in Queens. The Kitchen Sink was famous in our neighborhood as well. Wonder why that chain went under???? Al "Can Only Dream About Ice Cream At This Age" Kooper ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 11:27:26 -0700 From: Charles Ulrich Subject: Re: Schlagers Frank Jastfelder: > As far as I remember the WB compilation "Schlagers" included more > softer, adult orientated artists then the other loss-leaders, hence > the title. That's correct. Side one featured Petula Clark, Charles Wright, Peter Paul & Mary, Ella Fitzgerald, Trini Lopez, Glenn Yarbrough, and The Vogues. And so on for the other three sides. No Kinks or Mothers Of Invention on this one! --Charles ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 15:58:48 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Wally Gold Previously on S'pop: > We wrote a couple of songs together, including "Isle of Skorpios," > recorded by the Wally Gold Singers. Wally Gold was one of my mentors growing up in NYC. He was second in command at January Music to Aaron Schroeder. He taught me a great deal about songwriting. Wally was in The Four Esquires, discovered and produced KANSAS and wrote "It's Now Or Never" and I'm pretty sure "It's My Party". Also produced Streisand & Jerry Vale. He passed away a few years ago. Another great guy. Lived in Jersey. Al "turned pro in the 50's" Kooper ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:13:39 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: The Penthouse James Botticelli: > I have The Penthouse in my collection of OST's....Creepy looking > flick. I don't believe I've sat down and listened all the way > through. Comments? I could care less about the music. The script was what got me in that one. Can't remember a THING about the music. I want to own that film though. Somebody.....somewhere...... Al "Basement" Kooper ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 20:56:03 +0200 From: Frank Jastfelder Subject: Re: The Penthouse Al Kooper wrote: > a) The Penthouse, if it's a british film, was one of my fave scripts > - but it disappeared soon after it's release never to be heard from > again. I'd luv 2 own a copy of THAT. Jimmy B: > I have The Penthouse in my collection of OST's....Creepy looking > flick. I don't believe I've sat down and listened all the way > through. Comments? As far as I remember John Hawksworth's score was very creepy too. Jazz with an edge and dialogue snippets in between. Too weird for me. I sold it. ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 21:14:25 +0200 From: Frank Jastfelder Subject: Re: Helter Skelter Books > Bad news. London's Helter Skelter book shop is closing shortly... Very sad. I always found something while staying in London. Last time I was there - to see Brian's Smile concert - I bought the brand new Spector bio for only 5 Pounds plus 2 or 3 other items. ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:53:57 -0400 From: Al Quaglieri Subject: Re: The Jordan Bros. FYI re Jordan Brothers: >From what I can gather, these guys were the pride of coalmining country from their formation in 1957 (Frackville, PA) right through to the present day. They have their own website (thejordanbrothers.com) that seems of recent vintage, which would lead me to believe they're still out there playing. BTW, the only record of their I own is the one on Philips, which is pretty good. A discography: Jordan J-100/1 Oh Lolly / Send Me Your Picture Jamie 1112 Oh Lolly / Send Me Your Picture (Oct 58) Jamie 1125 Don't Tell Me Now / Never, Never (59) Jamie 1133 Be Mine / Dream Romance (Aug 59) Jamie 1169 Things I Didn't Say / Polly Plays Her Kettle Drum (60) Jamie 1176 No Wings On My Angel / Living For The Day (61) Jamie 1205 Love's Made A Fool Of You / Whispering Wind (61) Vim 523 Here I Go Again / It's A Shame (61) Cameo 370 Break Down And Cry / Good Love Goes Bad (65) Parkway 945 What's Wrong With You Baby / Jordan Theme (65) Philips 40415 Gimme Some Lovin' / When I'm With Her (67) SSS International 723 Good Time / I Want To Be Hers (68) Turbo 002 We'll Make It / Charlotte (68) Jamie 1390 Dream Romance / It's You, Girl (70???) Cheltenham 1006 What's Wrong With You Baby / Mer-Bri 101 Beach Party / ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 11:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Schlager Phil M: > What meaneth this "schlager"? Warner Bros. used it for the title > of one of their loss-leader compilations, but I've never grasped > the reference. It's a German term for middle-of-the-road Europop, usually with lots of orchestra and choral backing vocals. (That WB Loss Leader is the one that has the Harpers Bizarre and Petula Clark tracks, proof that Barry Hansen was familiar with this term when he was compiling it... assuming that this Loss Leader was one of Barry's.) Are you familiar with the oddly compelling Heino? His stuff is the living definition of schlager. I've always suspected that there was a linguistic commonality between "schlager" and "schlag," the German/Austrian word for whipped cream: sweet, lightweight, creamy...makes sense to me, anyway. S ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 21:51:29 +0100 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Re: The Jordan Brothers > At least now I have some song titles and release info. And they > got released overseas? It would seem from your message that UK > London had a deal to release Jamie/Guyden material on the other > side of the pond--true? What was the time span of that > arrangement? Well, London were releasing Duane Eddy's Jamie hits in 1958, and turned up with a Barbara Lynn 45 in 1964, so I guess that's about the time span. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 22:36:51 -0000 From: astro4004 Subject: Re: Barbara Ruskin Mick Patrick: > Few British female singer-songwriters made a mark on the mid- > '60s. Piccadilly/Parlophone/President recording artist Barbara > Ruskin was one. One of her daughters treated her to a surprise > website for Christmas. Take a look: > http://www.barbararuskin.com A Barbara Ruskin website - that's lovely. I've been enjoyin her sides on the "Here Come the Girls" cds for years now, it's nice to get more info on her. The song list is especially helpful, and I love those pictures. Things like this remind me why love the internet! If only Val McKenna had some web-savvy family members to do the same for her. ;) ----------------------------------------------------------- New @ S'pop: The Daughters Of Eve, Nora Guthrie, Ron Dante, Please Phil Spector, Girls Go Zonk!!, Priscilla Paris... Available here: http://www.spectropop.com/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 23:27:52 -0000 From: astro4004 Subject: Re: Sinatra's bottom Petula apparently thought Sinatra's "Downtown" was terrible, too -- hence her quirky reading of Frank's "Strangers in the Night." -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 21:11:01 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Ersel Hickey Received this from a friend today: > April 20, 2004 -- Ersel Hickey was admitted into hospital on February 27. > He was having prior respiratory problems, which were being attended > to at home. While in the hospital they discovered a cancerous tumor, > requiring the removal of his bladder as the tumor was near his kidneys. > Hickey, 69, was excited about an upcoming concert at the Hemsby Rock > and Roll Festival, and regrets not being able make the appearance. He > sends all his fans his love. Get-well messages can be sent to: > erselhickey@hotmail.com > -- Johnny Vallis gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 23:27:01 -0000 From: Dave O'Gara Subject: Re: The Jordan Brothers The Jordan Brothers I'm familiar with had a New England hit with "Gimme Some Lovin'", on Philips. There's a picture of this 45 in the photos section. Dave O' -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 16:52:22 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: "Pied Piper" Mick Patrick: > The Cupcakes "Pied Piper" (Diamond 177, 1965), written by Paul > Simon and Ritchie Cordell ... Did Crispian St. Peters write his hit record of the same title? Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 13:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Kit Kats komp Al Kooper wrote: > Anybody have a clue where a guy can purchase that double Kit Kats > anthology on Jamie? Is it still in print? Al, if you want to trade one of those double CDs on Legacy of all your stuff, I can send you the Kit Kats double on Jamie, which I recently found in a cut-out bin. The only catch is that Carol Kaye will bring it to you, so you gotta give her credit for delivering the goods! Seriously, if you want a sealed copy of the Jamie compilation I'd trade it to you it for the Legacy compilation of your stuff. I'll even throw in a CD-R of the radio special that I did back in the early '90s on the Kit Kats. A few gems from that aren't on the Jamie double. Let me know, Steve -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 22:25:40 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Kit Kats komp Al Kooper wrote: > Anybody have a clue where a guy can purchase that double Kit Kats > anthology on Jamie? Is it still in print? You can get the Kit Kats CD from the Jamie Records website, at http://www.jamguy.com Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 22:50:51 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Back to Mono I had several mono Mamas & Papas albums on Dunhill, and it always sounded to me that they were just dubbed down from the stereo masters instead of using a true mono mix. I guess Lou Adler thought it was a waste of time and money creating mono mixes for album-only cuts. I noticed the same problem on some Jan & Dean mono albums on Liberty, where vocals recorded on the L-R get overwhelmed by the backing track mixed in center. Mama & Papas singles are a different matter, as some have very different and superior mixes from the stereo versions. One of my favorites is "Even If I Could", which has a different vocal mix and a much longer fade than the LP version. Remember they only had 4 tracks at the time, and that was the only way to "spread out" the vocals. What Bones Howe did with 4 tracks at Western/United was amazing, IMHO. If you think the vocals are "rooms apart", move your speakers in closer or use headphones! As for BAD stereo mixes, one of my all-time favorite groups is the Hollies, but even when Abbey Road had 4-track recorders their producer Ron Richards mixed almost everything they did hard-right/ left until the "Butterfly" album in 1968. Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 23:12:23 -0000 From: astro4004 Subject: Re: obscure g.g. records I love, love, LOVE: * Three Bells: "Over and Over Again" -- ding-ding dong dinga-dinga ding-dong. Sounds like a lopsided wedding cake. * The Breakaways: "Sacred Love" -- anything by them, really, but this one is a dark masterpiece. * The Satisfactions: "Daddy..." -- this is so catchy, and just dripping with pop drama. Love at first listen. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:38:15 -0700 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: copyright law Peter Grad wrote: > However, the tougher issue is what to do about people > who share songs among a friend or two. I think there is a key difference between your examples and what's been happening in the 21st century: most of your examples (making tapes for friends, videotaping TV shows, etc.) involve a significant loss in sound or video quality. The industry accepted tape copying in the '70s and '80s because they knew it could never be a threat to "the real deal". Besides, it was relatively rare in the 1980s for individuals to distribute multiple pirated copies of full-length records or videos. But today's CDs and DVDs and MP3s are a genuine threat to the real deal. A person can take a brand-new CD, make a digital clone of it, and have the entire thing (including a perfect copy of the artwork) up on the Internet within a matter of minutes. That kind of illegal distribution just wasn't possible until the 1990s. > I am potentially gaining new and varied readership. > I would welcome such copying. Would you still welcome such copying if your clients (i.e. newspapers and magazines) experienced a sudden decrease in subscribers because people were downloading your articles for free off the Internet? > I think we have to be careful who we condemn; music lovers > who share songs with friends should not be lumped into the > same category as corporate music honchos who for so long > have robbed artists of what is due them. This argument doesn't hold water. What happens when you "share" music by artists that were never robbed of royalties by their labels? Besides, even if an artist DOES have a bad royalty deal, they'd still get more money from buying their records than by Internet "sharing". > Why not direct our energies towards corporations who are choking > creativity, inflating commercial release prices, and depriving > generations of rock heroes (and rock unknowns) their due pay? You can make the same points about file sharing: it chokes creativity (who wants to be creative when you know your music and artwork will just be bastardized on the Internet?); it inflates commercial prices (labels have to make up for lost income); and it deprives generations of rock heroes their due pay. Respectfully submitted, Scott Swanson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 21:06:04 -0000 From: Freeman Carmack Subject: Re: filesharing and downloading As a manager of music stores (1980-2001), I found that a significant number of the comments I heard from customers centered around: 1. The inflated prices of unproven CDs. (So what happened to CD prices in the wake of the recent price-fixing lawsuit? I haven't seen substantially lower prices at most retailers.) 2. The unavailability of specific CD singles, which, up until the early '90s, were viewed as a way to develop interest in an unproven artist and increase first-week sales on established artists. I remember being told by a label rep that although they had sold several hundred thousand CD singles from the artist's last CD, by holding back on the release of a CD single from the current album they hoped that those CD single sales would translate into album sales. Irate consumers felt deprived of what they wanted and sought to find ONLY what they wanted until they felt justified in spending $15-18 for the whole album. It's not the cost as much as it is the total worth of the purchase. $13-15 never seemed too much for my customers to pay for a CD that had lots of tracks on it that they liked. I remember a wonderful article in, I believe, Atlantic Monthly, in the fall of '99, titled "The Heavenly Jukebox", which outlined in some detail the events leading up to the problem, and some interesting stories about the then-current state of copyright law. It was available on the Web at one time. In 2001 I heard an interview with an RIAA executive, who said that the reason they were not issuing CD singles was because of file downloading. Actually, the truth was that people were downloading because the CD singles they wanted were not being made available for them to purchase -- an example of doublespeak. The labels were afraid that customers wouldn't find enough to like about new albums to spring for the whole thing. Sincerely, Freeman Carmack Worthington, OH -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 22:09:05 -0000 From: John Hamilton Subject: Re: on The Zonk I associate the word "zonk" with falling asleep, as in "zonked out." Perhaps the zonk dance would involve a limp yet funky sway, punctuated with some narcolepsy-inspired posing? The pace of the song would seem to dictate a more laid-back routine. Someone somewhere has to have done the Zonk once or twice. Could it truly be lost to the winds? --John Hamilton -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 23:19:43 -0400 From: Mark Hill Subject: Dickie Lee/She's Walking Away David Coyle wrote: > "Should I" by the Stringalongs, which taken by itself is pretty much > a "Wheels" rewrite. But the beginning of the melody sounded awfully > familiar! It's the "Itchy And Scratchy Show" theme from "The Simpsons"! > ("They fight, they fight, they fight and fight and fight..".) Is it possible > that the creators of the Simpsons got their inspiration from a long- > forgotten instrumental group from the 50s? Is it possible? I'd say the practice was ... possible, inevitable and ubiquitous. For instance, there is a new cartoon show on the Spike Network called "This Just In". If a friend hadn't just given me a homemade disc of impossible-to-find oldies, I'd have never recognized that the theme's riff was (I surmise) cribbed from Dickie Lee's "(She's) Walkin' Away". One of the guys doing the score was in the '90s alt group The Rugburns. Seems like just the kind of oldie he'd be listening to. Now, as for "She's Walkin' Away", I've searched six ways to Sunday on the Net -- including the Spectropop archives -- and although Dickie Lee seems to have been a prolific writer and performer there's very little about him out there. No solo Web page or discography. I can't find info on the title "(She's) Walkin' Away" (nor any variant), either. Dickie Lee (Lipscombe) wrote the C&W standard "She Thinks I Still Care", recorded the urban legend-inspired "Laurie (Strange Things Happen)", "Patches", "I Saw Linda Yesterday", and "Last Kiss". He seems to be more active in country, but, unless there was more than one Dickie Lee, also appeared on Where The Action Is. The super-infectious "She's Walkin' Away" is very Freddy Cannonesque, So Lee appearing on Action seems possible. Note that both Lee and Cannon had hits ("Laurie"/"Palisades Park") on the Stateside label. Perhaps there was some connection. Can anyone shed any light on Dickie Lee or "(She's) Walkin' Away"? "Dr. Mark" Hill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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