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Spectropop - Digest Number 1446

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Ambrose by Linda Laurie
           From: Gary Myers 
      2. Re: Obscure girl group records
           From: James Botticelli 
      3. Re: Tandyn Almer
           From: Gary Myers 
      4. Re: Tex and The Chex
           From: Hal Muskat 
      5. Re: Tex & The Chex / Linda Laurie-Glory
           From: Phil X. Milstein 
      6. Accuracy of Top 40 Playlists
           From: Jim Shannon 
      7. Happy days and doing a CP
           From: Martin 
      8. hank williams, elvis presley, nick venet
           From: Phil X. Milstein 
      9. Phyllis Dillon R.I.P.
           From: Julio Niño 
     10. Moonoogian
           From: Phil X. Milstein 
     11. Re: Zappa's old country
           From: Andrew Hickey  
     12. Re: the price of rex
           From: Norm D. Plume 
     13. Re: Clifford Rhodes / Pastel 6 / Billy Abbott's Jewels
           From: Max Weiner 
     14. Kelly Garrett / Long Island rocknroll
           From: Larry Lapka 
     15. Re: Tex & The Chex
           From: Ed Salamon 
     16. Re: Linda Laurie-Glory
           From: Rat Pfink 
     17. Re: do-be-do-be-doo
           From: Karen Andrew 
     18. Re: Tex & The Chex
           From: Alan Gordon 
     19. Getting maniacal
           From: Al Kooper 
     20. Re: Kenny Dino
           From: Gary Myers 
     21. Re: record prices in the UK / obscure girl groups
           From: Howard 
     22. Re: Irwin, not Joey
           From: Al Kooper 
     23. Re: obscure girl groups
           From: Hugo Montoya 
     24. Re: Linda Laurie-Glory
           From: Gary Myers 
           From: Simon White 

Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:19:30 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Ambrose by Linda Laurie Dave O'Gara: > Were there really five versions of Ambrose? I think the "Part 5" was just part of the joke. At the time there had been "Topsy, Part 2" and a few other "part 2" records. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:33:17 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Obscure girl group records Phil M: > I suddenly got curious to hear some of your opinions on favorite > records by obscure girl groups...List as many as you like. Jimmy Botticelli: > Penn Station - Henrietta & The Hairdooz Al Kooper: > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > I wrote that song. It's not bad. Ed Silvers (Timi Yuro) produced it > in LA. They had another single that wasn't bad, also on Liberty, > called "Slow Motion". The guy who put out "Child Is Father To The Man" wrote "Penn Station", eh? Didja get your meds altered in '67?~ Jes' funnin' ya. JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:52:26 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Tandyn Almer Phil: > I spent a lot of time with Tandyn & Curt in ... I wonder if anyone knows > where Tandyn is, and how to reach him. I found his name listed in Mensa membership around the early '80s (I think), and just for the heck of it, I called him. I think he was somewhere in the South Bay area. You might just try looking up some of his songs in and finding a publishing company address/phone. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:09:21 -0700 From: Hal Muskat Subject: Re: Tex and The Chex (That) Alan: > Ed, I was not in the group that made the record you mentioned. Yes that > is the same Mike Appel who worked with Springsteen. I think Rod Bristow > was in the original Tex and the Chex, but to be honest with you I can't > say for sure. He had to be though to be able to use the name, and he > was the front man and lead vocalist. Thanks Alan, Was Rod Tex? In the earlier rendition of The Chex, Tex sang lead and I don't remember him playing anything. Any guess where Rod is now? Obviously, not on this list. Thanks again. Ed, Alan, anyone ... The B side of "I Do Love You": was it "Be On the Lookout For My Girl"? Cheers, Hal -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:17:39 +0000 From: Phil X. Milstein Subject: Re: Tex & The Chex / Linda Laurie-Glory Hal Muskat wrote: > Re Gary Chester: Many certainly believe he is one sideman who belongs > in the Rock Hall of Fame. (16,000+ sessions & a credit list that is > incredible!) Anyone wishing to assist in efforts in achieving this > recognition is welcomed. This seems like a good opportunity to remind people of the very nice Gary Chester website, at Included are photos, bio, sessionography, etc. Re: Linda Laurie and her Ambrose record, I meant to ask previously if anyone has any insight to offer about the Glory label, which released it. I know they were based in New York, active in the mid- to late '50s, and seemed to have The Tarriers and Vince Martin as their bread and butter artists, but am curious who ran the thing, how they might've wound up with Linda Laurie, and also whether anyone might have a copy of one of their 1958 releases, a real cheesy thing entitled "Be My Next" b/w "Rockin' Teens" by a duo named Mac & Mike. I'm also interested in a contemporary cover of the A-side by Joel Grey, on Capitol. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:53:30 -0000 From: Jim Shannon Subject: Accuracy of Top 40 Playlists I often doubted how accurate some of the Top 40 music surveys were in the days when music directors had unlimited influence on any given new release, not to mention the leverage that record companies had with them through promotion and trade advertising. One has to wonder with what precision these music surveys were taken. Back in Top 40's heyday, most record sales were telephoned in by retailers to radio stations on a weekly basis. I'm sure these playlists could have been manipulated by zealous music directors with one eye on Cashbox and the other on Arbitron. Jim Shannon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:20:26 +0100 From: Martin Subject: Happy days and doing a CP PC repaired by a splendid West London operation, speedy, reliable, courteous and VERY reasonably priced. So noting Country Paul's on holiday I'll attempt to catch up on some of the interesting threads: I'm fairly sure Alan Gordon told me he wasn't on this 45, Tex and the Chex "Beach Party"/"(Love Me) Now" (20th Fox 411) but associate S'poper Bob Feldman was. The B-Side written (yes, it is the Angels song) and both sides produced Feldman-Goldstein-Gottehrer. A lot of fun; when there's room I'll play to musica. The marvellous Kenny Dino, who besides having a couple of hits including the wonderful "Your Ma Said You Cried In Your Sleep Last Night", and who has a very impressive CV, wrote the A-Side. He had other 45s written and produced by the Schlacks-Farber production team (they were responsible for Alice Wonder Land "He's Mine" & Marie Antoinette "He's My Dream Boy" amongst others), wrote the Candy Stripes "I've Learned My Lesson In Love" (VIM 520), formed a production partnership with Leroy Glover, and had his own Columbia 45, "Betty Jean"/"Show Me", written and produced by FGG. Phil M asked for favourite, obscure Girl Group tracks. Due in the main to Mick Patrick's compilations, this is not easy, but some that I hope are not well known: (The previously mentioned) Candy Stripes "ILMLIL"/"My Boyfriend" Vim 520 Bonnie/Denims "Time Will Tell"/"Class Reunion" LLP 101 The Two Faces "Who'd Have Thought It"/"Go On And Let Him" LMI 1002 Phil 'Questions Questions' M also asked about Kelly Garrett. Until Ken kindly played "Love Is The Only Answer" to musica all I knew by her were her 45s on Ava (2) and Palomar (1). All six sides are superb, classy, girl group soul/pop arranged and written by Gene and Billy Page, who I assume were also the producers as "Overture Productions". Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:42:28 +0000 From: Phil X. Milstein Subject: hank williams, elvis presley, nick venet I realize there is a lot of interest here in Nick Venet as a producer, but not sure how much there may be in his performing career. Allow me to toss out some bait. I have a real nice set of books of clippings from Shreveport papers re: The Louisiana Hayride, covering its entire history. A tour of these books takes us through the entire career of Hank Williams, the early days of Elvis's ... and what is most likely the length and breadth of Venet's, as well. Not having heard him sing (did he leave behind any recordings from this phase?), I can only venture a guess, based on his promo shots and ad texts, that he was marketed as a George Hamilton IV-style country-pop crooner (if that's even tagging Hamilton correctly). Going from memory, I believe these clips were from around 1958 or so, and that one of them offered something of a personal bio, which revealed that he (like another son of Greece, Frank Zappa), originally hailed from the streets of Baltimore. I'll be happy to share more, either here at S'pop Central or offlist, with anyone expressing interest. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:19:41 -0000 From: Julio Niño Subject: Phyllis Dillon R.I.P. Hola Everybody. The Trojan Records Web Page announced yesterday the death of Phyllis Dillon. Phyllis was my favorite Jamaican singer; she always sounded distant and vulnerable at the same time (which is characteristic of many Jamaican artists), and I find her singing very cool and sexy. She was only active for a brief time during the second half of the sixties and the early seventies, recording always for the mythical Treasure Isle label. Her songs can be considered the paradigm of the sophisticated Rock Steady made in Jamaica during that period. Her versions of "A Thing Of The Past", " Make Me Yours" or "One Life To Live, One Love To Give" ("Living In Love") can in my opinion easily be compared with the originals. Julio Niño. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:15:51 +0000 From: Phil X. Milstein Subject: Moonoogian Some of the Spectropop membership may know the name -- or, indeed, the person -- George Moonoogian, an R&B collector/DJ/ researcher of long standing and top-notch repute. About a year ago "Hook" suffered a severe brain aneurysm, which, as you might expect, was a major setback in his activities, and in fact his very life hung in balance for some time. I am happy to report that he's not only survived, but has recovered far more of his faculties than his doctors ever imagined for him by this stage (if even at all). He still has many struggles, but can at least enjoy many of the things he once did. On May 18 Hook and his family will be undertaking a walk in support of the Brain Aneurysm Foundation. Those like me, who've been positively influenced by his knowledge, enthusiasm, and generosity of spirit, may wish to contribute to the walk. Contact me offlist if interested. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:53:54 GMT From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Re: Zappa's old country Phil M. wrote: > ... he (like another son of Greece, Frank Zappa) ... Actually, Zappa's family was Sicilian. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:32:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Norm D. Plume Subject: Re: the price of rex Ken Silverwood wrote: > Own up time! I actually bought my mother "Roses Are Red", but by UK > singer Ronnie Carroll in 1962, who at the time was married to Millicent > Martin. What a good boy! Yes, exactly three singles to the Pound was the purchase rate. And most LPs cost around 33s... Norm D. Plume -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 05:18:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Max Weiner Subject: Re: Clifford Rhodes / Pastel 6 / Billy Abbott's Jewels Gary Myers wrote: > I think the "Part 5" was just part of the joke. At the time there > had been "Topsy, Part 2" and a few other "part 2" records. Hello Gary, In response to your question the the other day about Johnny Tillotson's song, "Why Do I Love You So?", the writer on that song was an individual by the name of Clifford Rhodes. I haven't been able to find anything on him yet. Now, I have a new question. Does anyone know what happened to the Pastel 6? Those were the guys that did "Cinammon Cinder", the song named after Bob Eubanks' old club in North Hollywood in the early '60s. I heard that song the other day and was just wondering, as I never see them on any oldies concerts or get-togethers. And, also, I'm still waiting to hear if anyone has any info on Billy Abbott & The Jewels, who did "Groovy Baby" back in 1963. Mac Joseph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:29:50 -0000 From: Larry Lapka Subject: Kelly Garrett / Long Island rocknroll To All: I am a few days behind on my reading, so pardon me if this has been talked about previously. I definitely remember Kelly Garrett. She was an attractive "jack of all trades" type of singer, who bounced around for years. She then got a regular gig on the 1970s revival of "Name That Tune" (or perhaps it was "Your Hit Parade") as the house singer. Every once in a while they would let her warble a tiny bit of a song in question. I think this revival was on for a few years, and then she vanished off of the face of the earth in my TV-driven world. One of the recent posts talked about a nearly forgotten Long Island band. I read that there may be a movement afoot to set up a Long Island Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. This area gets either unfairly overlooked. since it is so close to New York City, or lumped together with the city, but having lived extensively both in NYC and on the Island, there is a different musical dynamic that exists in each area. New York City is truly the melting pot, and its music takes in all elements (ethnic, racial; Broadway, the streets, etc.) of that environment. Long Island is a bedroom community to NYC, and its music is much less original, although quite vibrant -- sort of a lesser version of its more original neighbor. You won't find much soul here, but you will find a lot of heart in the music, if you know what I mean. I have seen very little about Long Island musically in the press, except when talking about Billy Joel. But, obviously, he is not the only performer from Long Island to come to prominence. The Vagrants, The Rascals (via New Jersey), Mountain, Vanilla Fudge, Stray Cats, Twisted Sister, Taylor Dane (I realize those three aren't in Spectropop's spectrum), etc. Any thoughts on this? Larry Lapka -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:25:18 -0000 From: Ed Salamon Subject: Re: Tex & The Chex Hal wrote: > Ed, Alan, anyone ... The B side of "I Do Love You": was it "Be On the > Lookout For My Girl"? Hal, Flip of Atlantic 2116, Tex & The Chex "I Do Love You", is "My Love". Mine is beat from playing at the hops, and I'm looking for a clean copy. Ed -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:21:49 -0400 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: Linda Laurie-Glory Phil X. Milstein wrote: > Re: Linda Laurie and her Ambrose record, I meant to ask previously if > anyone has any insight to offer about the Glory label, which released it. Glory Records was owned by Phil Rose, who had previously been with the Derby and Coral labels. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:27:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Andrew Subject: Re: do-be-do-be-doo Rodney Rawlings wrote: > Frank is known to have indicated on vinyl his disdain > for one of his less-favorite songs. On STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT, his > much-noted "do-be-do-be-do" (also puzzled over by Dean Martin while > lip-synching on his hilarious TV show) was according to Frank a way > of poking fun at the song. I guess he found it repetitive or > montonous? He was surprised by its popularity. It's funny that Frank Sinatra did not like "Strangers in the Night". That was one of his most famous songs, at least in his later years. But, I just think it was a sexy, sort of magical song, especially if you let your thoughts wonder while listening to it. Well, we all have our likes and dislikes, heh? KA -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:54:22 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Re: Tex & The Chex Hal ... Rod was Tex. I last saw him in 1972. He was involved with a magazine, and was also a photographer. He played a funky little electric keyboard, which he always kept at a very low decibel, but he was a very good showman, and a real nice guy. We used to meet at the Long Island railroad station in brooklyn, go to the gigs and come home together. Happy memories indeed. Well, speaking of the big apple, I'm off to there for a few days God willing, see you all next week. Best, That Alan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:45:18 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Getting maniacal Sooo, I had a few days off and, inspired by Spectropop, I burned a CD of some of my favorite obscure 45s. Now, these just live in piles -- are not well taken care (not anal retentive enough), so they are pretty clicky & scratchy. Took 'em down to the recording studio and, using WAVES technology (Mac), virtually remastered all of 'em, and now hardly a click or pop! Here's a list of five, and I'll try and put some on musica. If anyone knows these, please tell your tales of them. I love that other sickies love these records! 1. The Scott Bros. (Ribbon 6905): Stolen Angel/Keep Laughin' A side: 2:07 wr. by W. Scott / Jerry Field Orch. / arr. by Art Harris / Dara Music/Starling Music BMI B side: 1:57 wr. by Horace & Gladys Scott (all other credits same) 2. Dottie & Ray (Le Sage 701): I Love You Baby/La La Lover A side: 2:36 wr. by Cecil Bowen / pr. by C. Bowen, A. Cleveland, & A. Cryer / Cerac Music BMI / "A Trincarr Prod., Dist. by Old Town Records" B side: credits are the same 3. Baby Jane & The Rockabyes (United Artists 560): How Much Is That Doggie In The Window/My Boy John A side: 2:32 wr. by Bob Merrill / pr. by Leiber-Stoller / directed by Bert Berns / arr. by Teacho Wiltshire / Joy Music ASCAP B side: wr. by Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller / Trio Music BMI (all other credits same) 4. Moonlighters (Josie 843): Broken Heart/Glow Of Love A side: 2:15 wr. by Wren-Snider / Ready Rhythym BMI B side: 2:34 all credits the same 5. The New Hope (Jamie 1381): Won't Find Better (Than Me)/They Call It Love A side: 2:32 wr. by Hausman-Stewart / production & sound by Mike / Dandelion BMI B side: 2:30 wr. by Lamp-Apsey/ Rendezvous-Tobac-Dandelion BMI (all other credits the same) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:52:09 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Kenny Dino Martin: > The marvellous Kenny Dino, who besides having a couple of hits > including the wonderful "Your Ma Said You Cried In Your Sleep Last > Night" ... He sat in with us a couple of times in summer '67. I believe he was out here (L.A. area) to see about an acting gig. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:58:18 EDT From: Howard Subject: Re: record prices in the UK / obscure girl groups >Ken Silverwood wrote: > ... trying to remember how much it cost, was it 6s 8d? Yes, that's correct Ken, do you also remember Woolworth's sold records on their own label 'Embassy', which were cover versions of all the current hits of the time? What was the incentive to purchase these imitations? They were only 5 shillings (25p in new money!) to begin with. Which leads me onto a rather obscure girl group on the Embassy label -- The Starlings, who recorded a cover of the Supremes song 'Where Did Our Love Go'. I've absolutely no idea who these girls were! Anybody out there have more info?? And would anybody be interested in hearing more on Woolies' Embassy label? Howard (collector of obscure British cover versions!!) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:22:29 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Irwin, not Joey Billy G Spradlin wrote: > And I got a nice kick last week finding a promo copy of Anita Humes' > Don't Fight It Baby b/w When Something's Hard To Get, on Roulette. > A fine record, with Spectropop involvement. A-side by Van McCoy, > B-side by Al Kooper-Levine (Joey). Produced by S. Venent and arranged > by A. Butler. Uhhhhhh, that would be Irwin Levine. We have to be accurate -- he's watching from heaven Al "In Bush Purgatory" Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:46:35 -0000 From: Hugo Montoya Subject: Re: obscure girl groups A resounding YES to James Botticelli, I second that emotion! Didn't EVERYBODY get their meds altered in 1967? My top-fave obscure G G record of all time, "Kiss And Tell", by Julie And The Desires. Zig Zag 101, LA label. Written by Sloan & Barri, arrangements by H.B. Barnum. Has been comped on "Kiss And Tell", Ace label CD #330. Does anybody know anything else about this record? It's one of those 'in love with a bad boy' records, where the lead sings about what she personally wants, and the back-up girls remind her of social expectations and the restrictions she has to put on her behavior to continue being a good girl."A boy like that is gonna ruin your reputation" etc, very id/superego. What I love most about the record is the way both sides continue presenting their point of view, gradually getting more worked up and incoherent ... till, by the end, the lead is singing nothing but "yes yes yes yes yes yes yes" and the chorus is answering her with "no no no no no no no no no." Some other girl-group gems that no-one has mentioned, taking a quick scan of my for-sale catalogue: Girlfriends -- Four Shy Girls (KILLER romantic-ballad on flip!) Lori & Lee -- Little Things Rouzan Sisters -- several nice 45s on Frisco records. Rouzans are special faves, they have that sassy, black-girl (a la Martha/Vandellas) sound down COLD. Adorables -- several nice 45s on Golden World. Also sassy black girls. Liliput don't count as a girl group, but if they did I definitely would include "Split" in my G G top ten. Maybe in an alternate universe, where Jad Fair is Frankie Avalon. Bang-bang, shoot-shoot ... Hugo M. proud purveyor of stuff. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:54:56 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Linda Laurie-Glory Phil Milstein wrote: > The Game Show Network not long ago reran an episode of one of the > What's My Line/To Tell The Truth/I've Got A Secret cycle of shows (can > never keep those three sorted out), in which Linda Laurie appeared > alongside a pair of Linda Laurie imposters. What year was the show from? I would like to have seen that. > I meant to ask previously if anyone has any insight to offer about the > Glory label. Beside those you mentioned, they had lots of releases by the Four Fellows, and one by Tony Randall. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 08:24:00 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: THE METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW THE METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW this SUNDAY 25th April on at our NEW time of GMT This week: The Utterly Marvellous Simon White AND now REPEATED on TUESDAYS at 7.00-9.00 am GMT -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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