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Spectropop - Digest Number 1438



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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Johnny Preston in Stereo
           From: Fred Clemens 
      2. Finding Girls Go Zonk!
           From: Doc Rock 
      3. Re: "I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know"
           From: Dave O'Gara 
      4. Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro
           From: Dave O'Gara 
      5. Newport News
           From: Austin Roberts 
      6. Birthdays; unplayed musica; Giants of Bombora; Grease
           From: Country Paul 
      7. Re: Allen & Bright (aka Bobby & Laurie)
           From: Lyn 
      8. Re: Chartbusters' "She's The One"
           From: superoldies 
      9. Re: Beach Boys stereo
           From: Lloyd Davis 
     10. Cliff Richard "No True Lovin'"
           From: Ray 
     11. Duophonic
           From: Joe Nelson 
     12. Re: L.A. Weekly article about session musicians in L.A.
           From: Frank Jastfelder 
     13. Re: Comfortable Chair @ musica
           From: Paul R 
     14. Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro & the Crests
           From: Gary Myers 
     15. Re: Chartbusters' "She's The One"
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     16. Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro
           From: Mikey 
     17. Talk To Me
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     18. Re: Bernie Schwartz - "The Wheel"
           From: Scott 
     19. Re: Comfortable Chair in the movies
           From: Michael Gessner 
     20. Re: Comfortable Chair
           From: Gary Myers 
     21. Kirby Stone (Four)
           From: Andy 
     22. musica tracks and cut-offs; Chartbusters; Bernie Schwartz
           From: Country Paul 
     23. Re: Del-Satins
           From: Al Kooper 
     24. Shangri-Las help!
           From: Lex 
     25. Re: Allen & Bright (aka Bobby & Laurie)
           From: Clark Besch 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:09:47 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Johnny Preston in Stereo Clark Besch wrote: > Then, I was excited to get a stereo 45 of Johnny Preston's "Feel > So Fine", a song which had always eluded us on stereo Lps as being > in stereo. The 45 was rechannelled. Aargh! Why fake stereo? So > many reasons, so many lines..... It had been my understanding that his Stereo 45 of "Feel So Fine" was real Stereo. I have Johnny Preston's Stereo Mercury LP that contains "Feel So Fine", and it certainly sounds like real stereo to me. I also have his Stereo single of "Cradle Of Love", which IS rechanneled stereo. When the Bear Family released Johnny's stereo tracks on CD, "Cradle Of Love" is understandably among the missing. "Feel So Fine" was there. However, I was a bit disappointed in that the channel mixing was off over the original mix, ...which is why I still go for the original vinyl. Regardless of how good or bad the original stereo mix is presented, I want it to sound as it was originally offered when I get it on CD. Unfortunately, those are few and far between (if at all). Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:00:07 -0400 From: Doc Rock Subject: Finding Girls Go Zonk! I cannot find a copy of the "Girls Go Zonk!!" CD. Can someone PLEASE tell me who I can buy this from? Thanks. Doc Rock -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:51:43 -0000 From: Dave O'Gara Subject: Re: "I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know" Al, I'm glad to hear your song/child has served you so well as of late. Recently when you wrote about the screwing you took on the Child is Father to the Man LP, I was personally very disappointed for you. I've heard that many, many artists through the years have been "royally" short-changed by the record/publishing companies. Like many of the radio people who participate in this forum, once or twice a year, I spent a lot of time between records filling out ASCAP and BMI logs. My assumption was always that this practice was helping songwriters and artist to get their fair share of the airplay royalties. In your opinion, was/is this system equitable then or now? Does a television performance translate to more money than radio? Anyway, I hope that remodeling money keeps flowing for you. Dave 0' -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:18:30 -0000 From: Dave O'Gara Subject: Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro Al Kooper: > Please forgive my possible ignorance, but what did the Del- > Satins have to do with The Brooklyn Bridge? Mikey: > The answer is that two of the current members of The Brooklyn > Bridge were in The Del-Satins, and that's why they do the songs > that the Del-Satins sang on. Adding to Mikey's comment..I saw Johnny in concert at a very small, but intimate club in a Boston suburb about 10 years ago. At that time, he introduced two fellows singing back up as the Del-Satins. He didn't have a very large backing band that evening but the vocals were all tremendous. And to add to an earlier post, Maestro did every song you would possibly want to hear from him as either the lead singer of the Crests or the Brooklyn Bridge. His vocal on "You'll Never Walk Alone" was spine-tingling. He was also gracious enough to spend a little time backstage with me to record some radio station promos. His is an act worth catching! Dave 0' -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:51:51 EDT From: Austin Roberts Subject: Newport News Can anybody give me some info on a group called Newport News? I think they were on RCA, but not sure. Somewhere between early to mid 70's. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:34:02 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Birthdays; unplayed musica; Giants of Bombora; Grease Relevant birthdays today (April 120: 1931 Billy Vaughn, Glasgow, KY, producer/arranger/singer 1932 Tiny Tim [Herbert Butros Khaury], New York, NY, singer/musicologist 1940 Herbie Hancock, Chicago, IL, pianist 1944 John Kay [Joachim F. Krauledat], Tilsit, East Prussia, Germany, leader/singer/writer (Steppenwolf) 1947 David Letterman, Indianapolis, IN, host/comedian (Late Night) 1950 David Cassidy, New York NY, singer/actor (Keith on The Partridge Family) Joe Nelson, for those not into internet shorthand, please define: FWIBT, ISTR and TIA. 10q. Clark: > I know Mike Rashkow has posted some great Coke commercials on Musica. > I just posted one to Musica.... Yahoogroups has been getting really squirrely lately. For the second time this week, it has cut me off after "listening" to one (!) track. Period. So please leave the Coke, Allen & Bright (thanks for playing that one) and "Lundberg" up there for an extra couple of days till our "gracious host" decides to be gracious indeed. Thanks! Martin Roberts: > Christopher Monte "Giants Of Bombora" (Dolton) is the new > ROTW at http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm > It's a nice quick download. Real good one - quite the production! > Now, all Grease songs are pastiches of '50s pop I personally resented "Grease" for replacing the "real 50's" by most inauthentically ripping off the era. I realize the show and movie have become part of the culture, but I still have trouble around the entire concept. I'd call it less a pastiche than a cultural ripoff. But then again, lots of folks are less culturally agitated about this than I. Country Paul (who remembers that it wasn't all Ozzie & Harriet) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:40:09 -0000 From: Lyn Subject: Re: Allen & Bright (aka Bobby & Laurie) Clark Besch wrote: > ...an Australian duo, Laurie Allen & Bobby Bright, called "I > Belong With You". Don't know much about them... Great to see Bobby & Laurie mentioned & played here! They were a popular act in Australia at the time of "I Belong With You" which went to #1 in Melbourne and charted at least Top 20 in the other major cities (this was in 1965). Their other biggest hit was a nice cover of Roger Miller's "Hitch Hiker" in '66. They were familiar faces on Aussie TV & live venues in the late 60s. Apart from their musicality, they had a sense of humour, and didn't mind sending themselves up a bit. When there's some space at musica I'll see if I can put up an excellent psych-tinged track of theirs called "Every Second Day", an album track that deserves a wider audience. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:38:25 -0000 From: superoldies Subject: Re: Chartbusters' "She's The One" Billy: > ...the original Chartbusters recording of "Shes The One"... I have > yet to find it on CD. Rich: > Just for your info Billy, it is on cd. On "Hey Look What I Found > Vol. 6. Marvis MSCD-4506 Eagle Records of Germany put out a collection from good source tapes (masters?), or at least worked with the group on it. Has many unreleased tracks "She's The One" - 30 tracks, 1995. Appears to be a legit release, sounds great - tough to find but I got my copy on eBay. Booklet has many color photos from their personal collection. Check GEMM or Musicstack, bet there's a copy somewhere. (EA-R 90118) The "Look What I Found" series is good, but mostly off vinyl obviously when there are some of the tracks that are off better sources out there on legit comps. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:22:27 -0400 From: Lloyd Davis Subject: Re: Beach Boys stereo But as I interpret the liner notes, "Sunflower" was the first of their albums to be _recorded_ in stereo, as opposed to the conventional approach: multiple mono signals panned onto a stereo soundstage during mixdown. Neither Friends nor 20/20 were released in duophonic. They were your standard-issue, "panned mono" stereo albums -- or what we tend to call "true stereo," in that they were mastered from a two-track master tape. One exception: "Do It Again," on 20/20, was rechanneled from the mono single master. The albums from "Surfin' Safari" to "Beach Boys Concert" were released not released in duophonic, either; they were mixed for stereo by Chuck Britz. Beginning with The Beach Boys Today (in 1965) and ending with Wild Honey (in 1967), Brian Wilson controlled the multitrack session tapes, and refused to deliver anything but a mono master to Capitol. The sessions were recorded the same way as the "true stereo" records -- on four-, eight- and even 16-track tape -- and as we've seen with the Pet Sounds reissue, a very good "stereo" mix can be made from those tapes. (Still, a few details -- like the Mike Love vocal on the bridge in "Wouldn't It Be Nice," which was actually overdubbed onto the mono master and doesn't exist anywhere else -- show the extent to which Wilson was dedicated to mono.) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:46:55 +0100 From: Ray Subject: Cliff Richard "No True Lovin'" Clark Besch: > ...Cliff Richard's "True True Lovin'" was the B-side of his 1963/4 > US hit "Bachelor Boy", on Epic, and in the UK was matched with > "Constantly", on Columbia 7272 in '64... Can anyone tell me if this > has ever been in stereo, or is on CD in UK? I've yet to find it > either way and that is a real shame! Rock On With Cliff Volume 2 EMI MID 44 (Stereo) (1981) Just Another Guy Mad About You Your Eyes Tell On You Thinking Of Our Love Boom Boom A Forever Kind Of Love Never Knew What Love Could Do True True Lovin' No Turning Back Somebody Loses Lies And Kisses I'm Afraid To Go Home Pigeon Watch What You Do With My Baby What Would I Do For The Love Of A Girl ray -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:04:30 -0400 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Duophonic Previously; > On my early '70s (green Capitol label) vintage copy of the second > album -- "She Loves You", "I'll Get You" and "You Can't Do That" > are in horrible Duophonic, the rest is wide stereo. There's also > an extra piano overdub on "Money," which makes the 2-track > recording sound like a 3-track recording. I'm not familiar with "Money" in stereo, but Lewissohn claims additional work was done on the stereo version after the mono "With The Beatles" had been mastered, taking the song into "twin two track", with two two track tapes synchronized. (Oddly, the four track "I Want To Hold Your Hand" single had been recorded by then and the machine was availible at the time of the transfer.) Maybe this explains the difference? The biggest reason Duophonic processing is so annoying is that it combined a straight "highs in one channel, lows in the other" fake stereo processing with a .3 second delay in one channel. As a result, you can't just hit the mode switch to mono, nor opt to listen to just one channel. It can be easily reversed with computers, but I've never used it to restore the process to mono. RCA used a similar delay on its early "reprocessed" discs, but I believe without the EQ. In the 90's, a retro soul duo named Charles and Eddie titled theit Capitol debut album "Duophonic". I actually was afraid to buy the CD for fear it might live up to its title. Soimetimes I wonder how badly sales were affected. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:15:50 +0200 From: Frank Jastfelder Subject: Re: L.A. Weekly article about session musicians in L.A. Bryan: > For those of you who live outside the greater L.A. area, I thought > I would share our free weekly newspaper's article about session > musicians in L.A. -- includes an interview with Carol Kaye, as well > as other information that might be of interest: > http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/20/features-lloyd.php thanks for this extensive article. Im such a huge fan of the L.A. studio musician scene. Actually Id like to make a TV documentary about these marvelous people. Not an easy task if youre living in Germany...but I keep on trying. Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:36:20 EDT From: Paul R Subject: Re: Comfortable Chair @ musica Really love this track, thanks Paul! Has anyone seen the movie 'How to Commit Marriage' which features two tracks by The Chair? I remember seeing them in it as a child & thinking how cool they were. Paul R -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:05:29 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro & the Crests Fred Clemens: > As a sidenote, Johnny Maestro (Mastrangelo) is cousin to the > Belmonts member, Carlo Mastrangelo. And, to carry the related trivia even further - the Crests originally included Patricia Van Dross, the older sister of Luther. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:07:45 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Chartbusters' "She's The One" superoldies: > Eagle Records of Germany put out a collection from good source > tapes (masters?), or at least worked with the group on it. Has > many unreleased tracks "She's The One" - 30 tracks, 1995. Appears > to be a legit release, sounds great - tough to find but I got my > copy on eBay. Booklet has many color photos from their personal > collection. This CD also includes many of the tracks they'd recorded as the Manchesters, for the "Beatlerama Volume 2" album. Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 15:45:49 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Del-Satins / Brooklyn Bridge / Johnny Maestro Johnny Maestro plays here in NYC like all the time!! I've seen him around 6 times, and I'm going again in June. Always a great show!! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:31:06 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Talk To Me I wrote: > The "Look What I Found" series is good, but mostly off vinyl > obviously when there are some of the tracks that are off better > sources out there on legit comps. They are selling those compilations via Amazon. I'm looking for another rare oldie -- Sunny & The Sunliners/"Talk To Me", which hit #11 in 1963. A great record, but I've never been able to find it on CD. Someone at a record store in Tyler, TX told me there are CDs available with the song, but most are re-recordings. Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:27:10 EDT From: Scott Subject: Re: Bernie Schwartz - "The Wheel" Gary Myers wrote: > Are you considering the CoBurt LP to be his solo work? I was not, > as I thought "The Wheel" was considered to be the name of the group, > and that Schwartz was not on every cut. Bernie Schwartz sent me an e-mail a couple of weeks saying he'd read and enjoyed a review I'd written of "The Wheel". He certainly seems to have thought it was a Bernie Schwartz solo album ... Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:26:45 -0400 From: Michael Gessner Subject: Re: Comfortable Chair in the movies Don't know if anyone mentioned it, but The Comfortable Chair appeared in the movie "How To Commit Marriage", starring Bob Hope, Jackie Gleason, Tina Louise, Tim Matheson and Leslie Nielsen. In the movie Prof. Irwin Corey plays the Baba Ziba, a guru turning clean-cut kids into some kind of hippies who want to go to Comfortable Chair concerts. The movie came out in 1969. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:52:53 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Comfortable Chair Paul Richards wrote: > Has anyone seen the movie 'How to Commit Marriage', which features > two tracks by The Chair? You mean the band appears in the movie? I'll have to ask Bernie about that. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:32:01 -0000 From: Andy Subject: Kirby Stone (Four) Way back in the mid-'70s i worked for Kirby Stone. Was wondering if anybody know where to find (on CD) a couple of songs he did: (1) Life is Groovy (U.S. Double Quartet) and (2) God Bless Archie Bunker/ Archie Bunker for President (as a solo). I have most of the KS4 stuff, and a bunch of ('70s) live material on cassette. Thanx in advance, Andy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:14:28 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: musica tracks and cut-offs; Chartbusters; Bernie Schwartz Clark Besch: > I posted two bits from WKBW that will be of interest to a couple of > S'poppers. They are both custom DJ ID songs for Danny Neaverth's > show in the mid '60s. He shared the 'KB dial with Joey Reynolds at > that time. ... and a record: the notorious "Rats In My Room," by Joey and Danny (Swan), one of the last Swan releases. I really like the Freddy Cannon -- he was just a flat-out rocker with great energy and some good toonz; there's a latter-day connection in my mind to The Ramones. Freddy was a rock-and-roller down to his toenails -- "Tallahassee Lassie," "Buz Buz A Diddle It," "Abigail Beecher" (40 years ahead of Fountains of Wayne's "Stacy's Mom"...). Also, the Allen and Bright and Cliff Richard tracks are fun; the guitarist on Allen and Bright sounds like he got his fingers tied up in the strings at a couple of points! :-) Thanks, Clark - good listening! BUT: sadly, these, and all other "listens" from musica today and yesterday, have been cut off at the end. Is it something in my computer? Is Yahoogroups doing that? Anyone with any help, please? previously: > Also, someone indicated that The Manchesters' version of "She's The > One" is The Chartbusters under a different name; but relistening to the > MP3 I have of it, it sounds like a different group. Billy G Spradlin: > I posted the original Chartbusters recording of "Shes The One" to musica > (copied from an '80s Rhino "Nuggets" LP). I have yet to find it on CD. What a rocker! Thanks, Billy. Gary Myers, re: Bernie Schwartz & Comfortable Chair: > Are you considering the CoBurt LP to be his solo work? Yes, I was. > I was not, as I thought "The Wheel" was considered to be the name of > the group, and that Schwartz was not on every cut. It was the album title; the label credits "Bernie Schwartz." > And, I didn't know there was a single from "Magic Garden". Is it > shown as by Bernie Schwartz? Yes on all counts -- CoBurt CK-1001. > All the releases that I considered to be his solo work were between > '63 - '66, as Don Atello, Bernie Schwartz, and Adrian Pride Except for Adrian Pride, I don't know the other songs. Are they worth finding? In closing: I've often wondered how come I like The Crests so much, but dislike The Brooklyn Bridge as much or more? Country Paul (taking idiosyncrasy to new levels) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:36:47 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Del-Satins previously: > Johnny Maestro, upon leaving the Crests, went solo > briefly and eventually became a part of the Del-Satins group. The Del- > Satins, at that time, were made up of Johnny, Les Cauchi, and Fred > Ferrara. (They had no recordings issued during that brief period, > though they did make public appearances.) Are there two Del-Satins here? One mentioned above, and the Laurie recording group ? Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:21:13 -0000 From: Lex Subject: Shangri-Las help! Hello, I'm trying to put together a concise Shangri-Las website, I am keen for anything anyone may have that I can add to the site. I'm interested in pics of best-of CDs, compilations etc., anything you may have, a good photo of an old 45 would be cool, basically anything connected, any promo items, merchandise etc. The site is just a fan site, not backed by any labels or any motives, 'cept to provide an informative website solely dedicated to the Shangri-Las. I realize there's loads of other great groups, but for personal reasons this is by far my fave girl group!!! 1. The Sweet Sounds 2. The Dum Dum Dum Ditty 3. Take the Time 4. You Cheated You Lied 5. Hate to Say I Told You So ( pre-Red Bird) 6. Wishing Well ( pre-Red Bird) 7. Simon Speaks ( B-side to Simon Says) Please include song credits. Cheers, any help is welcome. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:10:47 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Allen & Bright (aka Bobby & Laurie) previously: > When there's some space at musica I'll see if I can put up an > excellent psych-tinged track of theirs called "Every Second Day", > an album track that deserves a wider audience. Would love to hear your Bright psych! Yes, the other single I referred to was "Hitch Hiker", also on LTD here. Did not really care for it, but I love the one I posted. Thanks! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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