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Spectropop - Digest Number 1431



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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Beatle Mania LP
           From: Clark Besch 
      2. Re: Bobby Zimmerman, Victoria's Secret model?
           From: Clark Besch 
      3. Re: Artists who do covers in concert instead of their own songs
           From: Steve Harvey 
      4. Re: Frank's bottom - "Eeeughh"
           From: Van Reid 
      5. Re: Frank's bottom
           From: Dave Heasman 
      6. Re: Artists who do covers in concert instead of their own songs
           From: Mike McKay 
      7. King's Ransom on CD
           From: Neil Hever 
      8. Re: "Happy Together"
           From: Laura Pinto 
      9. Various
           From: Country Paul 
     10. Re: Dora Hall does Jackie Dee
           From: Phil X. Milstein 
     11. WCFL Jingle to Musica/Al Kooper
           From: Clark Besch 
     12. Re: Paul Atkinson of the Zombies R.I.P.
           From: Karen Andrew 
     13. Re: Ringo records
           From: Mikey 
     14. Re: commercially speaking/ Happy Together
           From: (That) Alan Gordon 
     15. thanks for Bad Habits
           From: Freeman Carmack 
     16. Re: I Can't Quit Her medley
           From: Al Kooper 
     17. Re: Jackie / Dora
           From: Simon White 
     18. Re: Wenzel's
           From: Pete Palmiere 
     19. Re: Beatle Mania LP
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     20. L.A. Weekly article about session musicians in L.A.
           From: Bryan 
     21. Another sad day
           From: Phil Hall 
     22. Re: Beatle Mania LP
           From: Phil X. Milstein 
     23. Re: Chartbusters
           From: Ed Salamon 
     24. Re: Artists who do covers in concert etc.
           From: Gary Myers 
     25. Re: Larry Bright
           From: Gary Myers 


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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:35:09 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Beatle Mania LP I really think most kids and young adults would have known the difference between these knock-offs and the real fab 4 Lps. For one thing, they knew what the Beatles looked like very quickly and most of these knockoffs had wig drawings or guys with moptops whose faces certainly didn't resemble the Beatles. If the kids WERE fooled, it would likely have been in January or February 1964, when very few of these records were out. There WERE plenty of "takeoffs" on the music, but not many Lps featuring Beatles songs for imitation only that I remember. I'd guess many of these Lps sold were to adults trying to please their kids with a Beatles lp, and thought, "Hey, here's a cheaper copy!" A great example of how strange these songs got in imitating the Beatles was the kinda hillbilly "She's the One" by the Chartbusters. It went into the top 40, and I really like it, but it's funny to think people thought this to be the Beatles. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:48:57 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Bobby Zimmerman, Victoria's Secret model? Karen Andrew wrote: > The Victoria Secret's and Bob Dylan ad would be good if it wasn't > the usual soft porn (exploitation of women). I'm getting sick and > tired of seeing on commercial TV these days. What happened to the > good ole days when we had men cavorting in THEIR underwear (i.e. > Joe Boxer, Michael Jordan, and what's-his-name in Calvins)? I > demand equal time! I saw the commercial today where you can get Bob's new Cd if you buy anything at Victoria's. I guess I wonder how many customers who shop at Victoria's WANT a Cd by Bob Dylan???? Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Artists who do covers in concert instead of their own songs You're not alone on this issue. Miami Steve Van Zandt did a similar bit about seeing Solomon Burke and how he hated seeing acts ignore their own material for other artist's stuff. I think it was "Cry To Me" that Steve wanted to hear for the encore, but got "Proud Mary" instead! What was he thinking? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:05:49 -0400 From: Van Reid Subject: Re: Frank's bottom - "Eeeughh" Simon White: > While we're on the subject, my favorite Frank track has always been > his version of "Downtown" in which he injects another strange noise, > this time something along the lines of "Eeeughh". > It goes: > "When you're alone > and life is making you lonely > you can always go > "Eeeughh" > Downtown" > It is hilarious. New member, Van, here. I've been enjoying the diverse subjects and the obvious knowledge being batted around. I had to laugh at Simon's rendition of Sinatra's bizarre noise toward the end of his version of "Downtown." That's it exactly! Like Jackie Gleason doing his Reginald Van Gleason when he sees something that disgusts him. My wife heard it once and asked in astonishment, What did he do that f or?" Wouldn't it have been interesting to be at the recording session and see the look on Sinatra's face when he sang(?) this. Was he smiling, was he making fun of the song, did he think he was being hip? I don't know enough about the man to make a guess. I think this is on the same album with "Summer Wind" which is, for my money, one of the most evocative "summer" songs ever recorded. I can listen to it in the middle of a winter blizzard and be swept back to a youthful summer - and I don't know that I ever heard it when I was a kid (my mom was a Dean Martin fan), so for me that underscores it's brilliance. But what a great laugh and what fun to read a post that mentions something that you've wondered if any one else has noticed. I look forward to more fun and education! Thanks all. Van -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:31:03 +0100 From: Dave Heasman Subject: Re: Frank's bottom Simon White: > Maybe you can solve a mystery for me, Dave? What is the word, or > possibly just what is the noise Frank makes at the end of the > song? It could be "bark", "mark", "mop" or "mob". I can't work it > out at all. Can't remember, Simon, it's now 40 years since I heard it. But a cry of "mop mop" was popular among the jump blues fraternity in the late 40s, where Sinatra lived.. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:27:41 EDT From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Artists who do covers in concert instead of their own songs I pointed this out in an earlier thread, but when I saw the (phony) Shangri-las a few years back, they did exactly two Shangri-las songs in the course of their entire hour and a half performance! I think the answer to your question is that the acts you've gone to see have gone from artists to entertainers. Their audiences are composed mainly of people for whom music is a casual diversion rather than a passion, and audience members such as you and I are few and far between. Put another way: mass taste sucks. This isn't exactly a news flash, but it's an immutable truth. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 23:57:46 -0000 From: Neil Hever Subject: King's Ransom on CD Popsters, Last year you may recall the unearthing of three unreleased tracks from Pennsylvania band The King's Ransom. I'm happy to report that two of those tracks will be included on soon to be released compilations by Arf Arf records. Some of you may know the label's owner Erik Lindgren through record sales or by previous CD releases. The cover of "Ain't that just like me" and the original tune "Without you" will appear on Party, Party, Party and Sigh, Cry, Die respectively. The King's Ransom penned the classic garage band tune "Shame" recorded at Frank Virtue studio in Philadelphia. I just thought some of the garage fans out there might like to know about this development. Cheers, Neil Hever -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:05:26 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Re: "Happy Together" David Torresen wrote: > There's a fine article in today's Washington Post about the > increasingly common practice of television advertisers setting new > lyrics to familiar old songs -- specifically in this instance about > the Applebee's restaurant chain turning the 1967 hit "Happy > Together" into a plug for surf and turf: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53361-2004Apr5.html Chris Schneider responded: > ... I'm stuck by the fact that, for all of Post writer David Segal's > veneration of the song "Happy Together," he omits any mention of its > composer and lyricist: Alan Gordon and Gary Bonner. A shame, that. Hello, Thanks, David, for posting the link -- interesting article! Chris -- actually, Alan and Gary are mentioned on page two of the piece. Thanks, Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 01:01:47 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Various Mark mfuncle: > I don't go to see an act that I like to hear them do other material, > especially if they had a lot of good songs of their own. Why do > performers do this? When you figure it out, please let me know. You've just pounced upon one of my hugest peeves with oldies acts. (I'll grant some slack if their original albums or flip sides had those covers on them, and give them extra points for doing new material AS WELL AS the stuff I came to see/hear. Recent example: The Edsels - half a dozen lame covers, barely worthy of a fifth-rate hotel lounge act, then finally they got to "What Brought Us Together" and "Rama Lama Ding Dong." By then I - and about half the audience - were so disillusioned we hardly cared. And their own were the best songs of the night. Julio Nino: > I want to thank Mick Patrick for sharing the Van McCoy demo of "Baby > I'm Yours". Itīs beautiful and very sexy. Vanīs voice is pure velvet. Phil M: > What confuses me, though, is how, if you're Van McCoy, you can > blithely give away a song you clearly have nailed so perfectly. Wow. Both comments seconded strongly. Gary Myers: > I spoke with [Joe Saraceno] in the late '80s, when I was doing a > story on Larry Bright. So how did a teen-idol-looking white guy get such a funky delivery? I have his version of "I Saw Him Standing There" on Original Sound, and he sounds like a 65-year-old black blues singer. Incredible. Oh yeah - great reading of the song, too. Phil M: > Reuters has a nice little interview/update with Bjorn Ulvaeus today, > on the occasion of the 30th anniversary of Abba's Eurovision > breakthrough with Waterloo, as well as Mama Mia's reaching some sort > of milestone or other: http://tinyurl.com/ywacq Cool story. And sad Abba-related news, as Polar Studios - their hit factory - says it will close: ------ STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The sounds of ABBA, Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones have bounced off its padded walls. Now, Sweden's most famous recording studio, Polar Studios, must shut its doors because the owners can't pay the rent. "It's a mistake being made right now," said Lennart Oestlund, part-owner and one of the studio's original sound engineers. "I see it as a museum of Swedish music history, especially ABBA." The Swedish pop quartet's record label started the studio in 1978 and the group recorded its last three albums there. But the first big album recorded at Polar Studios was Led Zeppelin's "In Through the Out Door" in 1978. Hundreds of bands and solo artists followed, including the Backstreet Boys, Genesis, the Beastie Boys, the Cardigans and Roxette - making Polar Studios a hot spot on the international music scene. Oestlund said he and studio co-owners Tomas and Marie Ledin pay $184,000 a year in rent to the housing cooperative that owns the building on Kungsholmen, one of many islands that make up Stockholm. "It's almost double the market rent," he said, adding that attempts to bring payments down had failed. "Two-thirds of our revenue goes to rent." Oestlund said the five-room studio would close in May and probably be turned into office space. He hasn't given up on music, though, and hopes to set up a new studio elsewhere. "I'll keep a mixer board and some microphones and try to start a new operation on a smaller scale," he said. ---- Re: Happy Together's use for the steak-and-shrimp ad, Chris wrote: > [F]or all of Post writer David Segal's veneration of the song > "Happy Together," he omits any mention of its composer and > lyricist: Alan Gordon and Gary Bonner. A shame, that. Chris, it's a 3-page article in its internet form. There is an interview with [That] Alan on page 2, saying he didn't know about the lyrics being changed till after the fact. Also, Flo & Eddie are pretty PO'd as well. See all 3 pages at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53361-2004Apr5.html Tom Adams, re: Bob Feldman on the line:. . . FGG Stuff > I posted them (posts and audio responses) on my webserver at > http://www.bouldercool.com/FGG/index.htm Tom, I don't have time to listen now, but please leave these up for a few days so I can catch 'em. Many thanks! ---------- Paul Evans: > Paul and his vocal group, Group 5ive, have been asked to backup the > stars on PBS's "MAGIC MOMENTS - THE BEST OF THE 50's POP", another > program in that network's great Oldies series. As of this posting, the > scheduled performers are Patti Page, Pat Boone, Don Cherry, Mel Carter, > the Diamonds, the Four Lads, the Four Aces, the Four Coins, the Four > Preps, the Crewcuts and - perhaps - the McGuire Sisters and the > Chordettes. Paul, PLEASE let us know when this is airing. Also, is there a concert where this will be taped? Where and when, please? Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:22:56 +0000 From: Phil X. Milstein Subject: Re: Dora Hall does Jackie Dee thirteen_eagle wrote: > ... I also just got the Dora Hall LP "Dora Hall Sings Top Teen Tunes" > in which the Solo Cup Queen sings Jackie's "Franklyn Street" (or > "Franklin Street" on the 45), a nice uptempo rocker with a Chuck Berry > guitar riff. (How on earth Dora Hall got hold of an otherwise > unreleased Jackie DeShannon song, I'd like to know...). I don't know the specific details of how "Franklin Street" fells into Dora Hall's hands, but a rough sense of the answer seems to lie within the stories of Al Hazan, as relayed from right under the Spectropop umbrella, at http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/earlydays.htm . There you will find Al's tale of "discovering" Dora, in 1963. And since Al was a musical partner of Jack Nitzsche, who was in turn a musical partner of Jackie DeShannon, it's not hard to imagine the chain that brought "Franklin Street" to Dora. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:42:40 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: WCFL Jingle to Musica/Al Kooper Hi, with all the talk about songs being in commercials, one I really liked in 68 was the WCFL Chicago's Jim Stagg jingle I posted to Musica. In this period, they opened long jingles with music from a hit record of the day. One such was Boyce & Hart's "Alice Long" which is a surprising usage, since it was not a huge hit. Another such is Blood, Sweat & Tears' "I Can't Quit Her" used here for Jim Stagg. Wonder what Al thinks of using an opening and turning it into the glorification of a DJ??!! At least, Jim Stagg was a terrific DJ! Take care, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Andrew Subject: Re: Paul Atkinson of the Zombies R.I.P. I love the Zombies! "TIme of the Season" still sends chills down my spine! "She's Not There" is another spine-tingler! Sorry for Paul Atkinson's passing. KA -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:56:43 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Ringo records Has anyone mentioned The Standells "Do The Ringo"?? They did this song on "The Munsters" (but there is talk over) and I've tried for 30 years to get a "clean" copy, but I don't think this ever made it to 45. Anybody know?? Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:24:38 -0700 From: (That) Alan Gordon Subject: Re: commercially speaking/ Happy Together Two weeks ago I got a call from Mark Volman. He was upset about the Applebees spot, that he was getting very negative feedback from the Turtles fans. He said they were going to sue the restaurant, and that I was going to get a call from David Segal from the Washington Post. The Post called me an hour later. He asked me how I felt about the lyric change, I told him that the song was written about a girl, and her name wasn't "Steak And Shrimp". Yes I was annoyed at the change in the lyric, but the thrust of my response, which I reiterated twice was "with all the craziness that's going on in the world today, this doesn't amount to a hill of beans" {thank you Mr. Bogart, from Casablanca}. The reporter left that out of the article. I have no legal control of the situation. I have now been reassured by the publishers that I will be consulted in the future. To be perfectly honest with you I don't care what changes people make with most of my songs, but "Happy Together" is very very special to Garry and myself, and apparently to a lot of people and I will be very careful not to let ANY changes be made. Now as for my friend Phil Milstein regarding how my accountant feels. He never mentions these things as long as I pay my taxes! Commercials and movies etc. are a very important part of a writers survival, so I am most grateful when anyone chooses my songs, wouldn't YOU Be? Anyway, the next time I ever speak to the media I will hearken to the Al Kooper credo "Don't Speak To The Media". I have to go now, I just got an inspiration for a new song "I Left My HAT in San Francisco". Best, That Alan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:01:24 -0000 From: Freeman Carmack Subject: thanks for Bad Habits My sincere thanks to all who contributed postings and info pertaining to Bad Habits. Nuf said. Freeman Carmack Worthington, OH -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 01:01:21 EDT From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: I Can't Quit Her medley previously: > Next, am wondering if Al Kooper remembers the 45 medley of "I Can't > Quit Her/For Emily, Whenever I May Find Her" on Date 1645?  Kinda odd > after they already did "I Can't Quit Her" as a 45 by itself! This release actually cost me money! BMI split the performance money with Paul Simon in the period that single was released and cut my earnings from that song in half at the time. GRRRRRRRR! Al "They've Been Wrong B4" Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:45:40 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Jackie / Dora thirteen_eagle wrote: > Yes, she did; it's on one of her demo albums. I also just got the > Dora Hall LP "Dora Hall Sings Top Teen Tunes" in which the Solo Cup > Queen sings Jackie's "Franklyn Street" (or "Franklin Street" on the > 45), a nice uptempo rocker with a Chuck Berry guitar riff. (How on > earth Dora Hall got hold of an otherwise unreleased Jackie DeShannon > song, I'd like to know...). I have a strong suspicion that descions were made on some of Dora's releases by somone with a good ear. Her version of "Pretty Boy'' has a full- on L.A. dance backing track, and I reckon if is wasn't produced by the great H.B. Barnum then grits ain't groceries and Mona Lisa was a man. A different version of "Pretty Boy" has recently turned up on an acetate here in Southern England. The artist is so far unidentified. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:08:32 -0000 From: Pete Palmiere Subject: Re: Wenzel's Bill George wrote: > I just read the post about Wenzel's record store closing. I loved that place > when I lived in Long Beach. I didn't know they had closed. As I might be > moving back soon, I'm really sorry to hear they no longer exist. Is there > a story behind their closing? I hope it was for a good reason, like they just > wanted to retire and travel, rather than that business was too slow. The business at Downey, CA's Wenzel's Music Town was very good when it eventually closed a couple of years ago. Whenever I went into the shop, there were always several people browsing through their singles and used LP racks, and another few customers on the "rare LP" side of the shop. Wenzel's stocked a few choice CDs of oldies, vocal groups, surf, swing and regional rockabilly, but I will always remember it for its huge wall of 45s. All singles were numbered and kept in slots on the wall. For a quarter, you could buy a hefty list of all the available 45s. Normally, either Tom or Maxine was on the phone answering vinyl questions. LA oldies radio station K-RTH 101 was always playing in the background. On a related note, another semi-legendary Downey record store, Middle Earth Records. closed just a few months ago. Middle Earth had been in operation since the early 70s, and was the complete opposite of Wenzel's, devoting its retail space to punk, new wave, grunge and all brands of heavy metal. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 02:17:38 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Beatle Mania LP Clark Besch wrote: > A great example of how strange these songs got in imitating the Beatles > was the kinda hillbilly "She's the One" by the Chartbusters. It went into > the top 40, and I really like it, but it's funny to think people thought this to > be the Beatles. The Chartbusters also masqueraded as The Manchesters on the album "Beatlerama Volume 2". A shortened version of "She's The One" is among the songs they do on that album. Jeff Lemlich http://www.limestonerecords.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:29:29 -0700 From: Bryan Subject: L.A. Weekly article about session musicians in L.A. For those of you who live outside the greater L.A. area, I thought I would share our free weekly newspaper's article about session musicians in L.A. -- includes an interview with Carol Kaye, as well as other information that might be of interest: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/20/features-lloyd.php Bryan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:47:24 -0000 From: Phil Hall Subject: Another sad day Niki Sullivan, former guitarist for The Crickets, passed away April 6th. Source: The Dead Rock Stars Club http://thedeadrockstarsclub.com/2004.html Phil H. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:07:41 +0000 From: Phil X. Milstein Subject: Re: Beatle Mania LP Mike McKay wrote: > I have a very strong memory of going to a local discount store in about > this same time frame and finding it positively overrun with Beatle > knockoffs such as this. I mean, there were just tons of them, each > different from the last. Of course, I knew the difference, but I always > wondered how many people were fooled and bought one or more, > thinking they were the real thing. I was always under the impression that such knockoffs were intended more to fool the moms -- out to please their kids, save a buck or two, and too harried to notice that The Merseyside Lads were not the Merseyside lads -- than it was the kiddles themselves, who tended to know which end was up in such matters. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:51:24 -0000 From: Ed Salamon Subject: Re: Chartbusters Clark Besch wrote: > A great example of how strange these songs got in imitating > The Beatles was the kinda hillbilly "She's the One" by The > Chartbusters. It went into the top 40, and I really like it, > but it's funny to think people thought this to be the Beatles. The Chartbusters were Bobby Poe and the Poekats ("Down On The Farm" and other rockabilly gems), less Big Al Downing. Al told me that he was out of the group when they decided to pursue the Beatle sound and he, well, didn't fit the image. If memory serves, he did co-write the B-side of "She's The One'. Al and I got to be friends in the 70s when he recorded Country hits. Bobby Poe started a pop music survey trade publication and presented some great radio conventions, which were the inspiration for the Country Radio Seminar (which is my job these days). Ed Salamon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:07:09 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Artists who do covers in concert etc. Steve Harvey re: Steve Van Zandt re: Solomon Burke > ... I think it was "Cry To Me" that Steve wanted to hear for the encore, but > got "Proud Mary" instead! What was he thinking? In my opinion Burke's top 50 hit of "Proud Mary" is the best version of the song, and I would love to hear him to do it if I saw him in concert. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:46 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Larry Bright Country Paul wrote: > How did a teen-idol-looking white guy get such a funky delivery? I have > his version of "I Saw Him Standing There" on Original Sound, and he > sounds like a 65-year-old black blues singer. Incredible. Oh yeah -- > great reading of the song, too. I agree. Yeah, Larry put a lot of good stuff on record. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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