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Spectropop - Digest Number 1430

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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Various
           From: Clark Besch 
      2. Re: Bob Feldman on the line . . . FGG Stuff
           From: Mike Miller 
      3. Re: Bob Feldman on the line . . .  / Patty Lace & the Petticoats
           From: Mick Patrick 
      4. Various
           From: Country Paul 
      5. Re: Sinatra's bottom
           From: Gary Myers 
      6. Re: Beatle Mania LP
           From: Mike McKay 
      7. Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles
           From: Clay S. 
      8. Re: "Happy Together"
           From: Karen Andrew 
      9. Re: Washington Post article on Applebee's "situation"
           From: Phil X. Milstein 
     10. Frank's bottom
           From: Simon White 
     11. Re: Bob Feldman on the line / Magpie Stump to Musica
           From: Clark Besch 
     12. Jackie DeShannon's "Too Far Out"
           From: thirteen_eagle 
     13. Bobby Zimmerman, Victoria's Secret model?
           From: C. Ponti 
     14. Bobby Zimmerman, Victoria's Secret model?
           From: Karen Andrew 
     15. Re: The Washington Post, "Happy Together"
           From: Chris Schneider 
     16. Beatles novelties - need a trade
           From: Andres 
     17. Re: Sinatra's bottom
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     18. Color My World / Happy Together
           From: Clark Besch 
     19. Re: Paula's Bad Habits
           From: Various 
     20. Ringo records
           From: Eddy 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 17:06:36 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Various Hi, was digging in th vinyl again last night. I realized our Artie Wayne and Alan Gordon both had ties to Sha Na Na in 1974/5! I think one or both of these records may have been mentioned here or there before. In 74, Sha Na Na released Alan Gordon's song "Maybe I'm Old Fashioned" (KA 592) with a unique title picture sleeve. It's cool because it has the classic "Sha Na Na" logo, but it shows an actual full size vinyl record as it might have looked a decade earlier with plain black & white label and block printing. It even has the original Kama Sutra logo vs. the 70's label on the record inside. After that, in 1975, they released "Shanghied" (KA 604) co-written by Artie Wayne. It's a small Sha Na Na world, after all! Funny that in 75, they were still putting "Dual 45" on their labels. How many still had mono players in 75? Of course, much to my dismay, Artie Wayne's classic composition "Flashback" by the Fifth Dimension from late 1973 was a mono only single and still is mixed in mono on their Cds! Bummer! It was the closest the 5D ever came to their 60's sound ever again, in my opinion. More Ringo records. Veronica with the Moniques (somehow that group name sounds lousy to me) did "Ringo Did It" on Centaur Records 106 and Dick Lord did "Like Ringo" on Atco 6331 in 1964. The latter had ties to Frank Zappa in some way, if I remember correctly. Next, am wondering if Al Kooper remembers the 45 medley of "I Can't Quit Her/For Emily, Whenever I May Find Her" on Date 1645? Kinda odd after they already did "I Can't Quit Her" as a 45 by itself! On the Jackie DeShannon scene, I found the Liverpool 5 doing her "Too Far Out" on RCA 8660. Did Jackie do a version of this? I assume so. Next, a great 45 my buddy Doug Richard turned me on to decades ago. The Grasshoppers' doing the TSW (two-sided winner) of covers of the Cryan Shames/Searchers cover "Sugar & Spice" b/w the Hollies' "Very Last Day". Both sides great renditions from 1966 on Fox 851. Lastly, along the lines of the Arkade, "The Road Ahead" by Magpie Stump on Dunhill 4338 from January, 1973. I'm amazed our Austin Roberts is not listed on this 45. First, KOIL used this as a bridal fair song, just as it had the year or two previously with "Morning of Our Lives". Second, the song was written by "D Walsh/H Price/S Barri/S Brown) with strings by Jimmie Haskelll! Another one of those stereo only on DJ copies. Well, that's it for the latest diggings. Anyone wanna hear any of these on Musica before they disappear into the black hole again? With this many topics, am I WLSClark or Country Paul??? Take care, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:34:22 -0400 From: Mike Miller Subject: Re: Bob Feldman on the line . . . FGG Stuff Tom Adams: > ... Bob (Feldman) and I finally got the time to talk. I presented > him with the posts by Phil X. Milstein, Tom Tabor, Mick Patrick, > Bob Celli, Mike McKay and Clark Besch. He had a lot to say ... I > recorded our conversations the best I could... I posted them on my > webserver at ... Bob loves > telling the stories begind the records and sessions, so we're gonna > do this again. If anyone has more questions or comments ... Tom, The recorded voice of Bob Feldman was just great to listen to !! So much good info from one of the greats ! Thanks for all your work. Mike Miller, doowopdaddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:31:52 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Re: Bob Feldman on the line . . . / Patty Lace & the Petticoats Tom Adams: > ... Bob (Feldman) and I finally got the time to talk. I presented > him with the posts by Phil X. Milstein, Tom Tabor, Mick Patrick, > Bob Celli, Mike McKay and Clark Besch. He had a lot to say... I > recorded our conversations... I posted them on my webserver at > ... Bob loves telling > the stories begind the records and sessions, so we're gonna do > this again. If anyone has more questions or comments, post them > here on the board. That, Tom, is what I call service. I now have the answer to my question about the Pin-Ups in Bob Feldman's own voice preserved on mp3. Thanks a million. As the Pin-Ups track isn't available on CD, I have posted it to musica: The Pin-Ups "Lookin' For Boys" (Stork 1, 1964). Written by Martine, Feldman, Goldstein and Gottehrer. Arranged by Leroy Glover. A Feldman/Goldstein/Gottehrer Production. F/G/G's revenge on the Angels: Next time you get chance to talk to Bob, maybe you could ask him about Patty Lace & the Petticoats, a great group he produced in 1964. If needed, search the S'pop archives for details about some of their records. Someone suggested to me that Patty Lace was actually the same person as Pat Lewis. While that seems unlikely to me (Lewis is from Detroit), there is a record that links (too convoluted to go into here) the two Pats. Can Bob remember the real name of Miss Lace? Thanks in advance. Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 11:56:39 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Various Re: "Monkee Sugar" - does this sound as though it could be a punk or electronica group? Re: Buying by label - Simon White mentions that second-hand buying could be governed by label. Exactly what I meant to say. (And should have.) Jack & Jill's "Just As You Are" is a wonderful doo-wop ballad! I've got it on a 45, and it's a true treat. Thanks, Mick. It's one I would have shared (1) if I had thought of it and (2) if I had the technology to transfer it from vinyl (without a lot of outside help). Me, earlier, re: R&RHOF: > Rock is still a living entity; why flash-free it and choke off its > evolution? This makes a lot more sense without the typo - the phrase is "flash- freeze." Sorry if I created any impression of illiteracy on my part! :-) Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 10:12:34 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Sinatra's bottom >From Phil Milstein: > A stinker it is, but I submit that "Everybody's Twistin'" sounds > like a sublime masterpiece next to "Mama Will Bark," a wretched > novelty Frank was forced to record ... Never heard that one, but a few months ago I heard Sinatra's version of "Downtown" - by far the worst Sinatra record I've ever heard. He must have hated the song, and I can't imagine why they ever released it. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:58:47 EDT From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Beatle Mania LP Mark Hill wrote: > This was just in our local paper "40 Years Ago" column: March 13, > 1964: The Buckeye Mart discount department store, 121 N. Memorial > Drive, (Lancaster, Ohio) offered the album, "Beatle Mania" for 87 > cents. It had Beatles hits performed by The Liverpools. I have a very strong memory of going to a local discount store in about this same time frame and finding it positively overrun with Beatle knockoffs such as this. I mean, there were just tons of them, each different from the last. Of course, I knew the difference, but I always wondered how many people were fooled and bought one or more, thinking they were the real thing. (Hey Mark, I have a strong memory too of going to that very store in Lancaster in the early 70s and scoring a sealed, stereo copy of one of my favorite albums, "The Ventures in Space," for 99 cents. I had already worn out the mono copy I got as a present in 1964, and in all my years of fervid cheapo bin browsing, that is the ONLY time that album ever turned up. I treasured it until the CD reissue finally came out a few years back.) Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:14:57 -0000 From: Clay S. Subject: Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles Great listing of 60+ Beatles-related singles here: Clay S. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:52:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Andrew Subject: Re: "Happy Together" "That" Alan Gordon wrote: > Laura P. wanted to know who did the rewrite on the Applebees spot. > I guess it was someone at the ad agency. Ron Dante would know. I`m > glad you like the song Laura. Ron did a great job on the vocals but > he always does a great job on anything he sings! I hate most of those commercials that use an existing pop/rock song; however, the Applebees is OK. I think it's because, as someone in the group said, it goes with what is being advertised. Also, it is not loud and obnoxious, such as Toyota and other vehicle commercials. Those ads drive me nuts! But, Ron Dante - he's cool! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:52:35 -0400 From: Phil X. Milstein Subject: Re: Washington Post article on Applebee's "situation" Chris Schneider wrote: > > Mainly, though, I'm stuck by the fact that, for all of Post writer > David Segal's veneration of the song "Happy Together," he omits any > mention of its composer and lyricist: Alan Gordon and Gary Bonner. > A shame, that. You must've only read the first page of what is, in the online version, a three-page article. Gordon and Bonner come up on page 2, and the Turtles on page 3, and both Alan Gordon and Mark Volman offer some very interesting reactions to the Applebee's turn of events. Worth clicking for. I have a question for Alan about all this, and I don't mean it to be as sarcastic as it'll probably sound, but here goes. You've been forthright, both here at Spectropop Central and now in the Washington Post, with your feelings about the Applebee's situation, and I appreciate that (because not everyone in your position would be). But I wonder if your accountant feels the same way about it as you do. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 23:11:45 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Frank's bottom Dave Heasman wrote: > In, I think, 1962, Frank Sinatra reached one of a number of career- > nadirs with "Everybody's Twistin'". Same song. Maybe you can solve a mystery for me, Dave ? What is the word, or possibly just what is the noise Frank makes at the end of the song? It could be "bark", "mark", "mop" or "mob". I can't work it out at all. While we're on the subject, my favorite Frank track has always been his version of "Downtown" in which he injects another strange noise, this time something along the lines of "Eeeughh". It goes: "When you're alone and life is making you lonely you can always go "Eeeughh" Downtown" It is hilarious. Simon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 05:54:40 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Bob Feldman on the line / Magpie Stump to Musica Tom, along with everyone else, I thank you for Bob Feldman's comments. He pretty much gave the Bob Irwin story as Bob told it to me. It was funny about Roots of SOB vol. 2. When I first bought this lp in the 70's (?), I could not believe my ears! So many cool unheard of things! I too looked for Vol.1, so Bob was right about at least 2 people hankering for Vol 1. I gotta hand it to the McCoys for pulling off some great stuff for a few years, despite their ages! How long did Gary & the Hornets or the Bantams last?? Bob hda some wild things going with the young McCoys and the "double drumming kettle drums" Strangeloves! I'm not sure if the version on SOB of "I Want Candy" is even available yet in any other form!! I don't think it's the same as the long Cd version, is it? Also, posted Magpie Stump's "The Road Ahead" to Musica. Posting 21099 tells why, I guess. Am wondering if this could be the Arkade minus Austin Roberts or possibly Cashman, Pistilli & West?? The latter might be a possiblity only because in 1966, ABC records had a 45 by the Magpies with both sides written by CP&W. Doubt they would pull Magpie out of mothballs by 73, but they had used so many names by 73, that maybe they were starting over??? Austin, any ideas? Do you know anything about Magpie Stump? Thanks, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:58:02 -0000 From: thirteen_eagle Subject: Jackie DeShannon's "Too Far Out" Clark Besch wrote: > On the Jackie DeShannon scene, I found the Liverpool 5 doing her > "Too Far Out" on RCA 8660. Did Jackie do a version of this? Yes, she did; it's on one of her demo albums. I also just got the Dora Hall LP "Dora Hall Sings Top Teen Tunes" in which the Solo Cup Queen sings Jackie's "Franklyn Street" (or "Franklin Street" on the 45), a nice uptempo rocker with a Chuck Berry guitar riff. (How on earth Dora Hall got hold of an otherwise unreleased Jackie DeShannon song, I'd like to know...). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:17:50 -0000 From: C. Ponti Subject: Bobby Zimmerman, Victoria's Secret model? We have finally reached the end of civilization as we know it. I can only imagine how they paid him, amply for sure. C. Ponti -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Karen Andrew Subject: Bobby Zimmerman, Victoria's Secret model? The Victoria Secret's and Bob Dylan ad would be good if it wasn't the usual soft porn (exploitation of women). I'm getting sick and tired of seeing on commercial TV these days. What happened to the good ole days when we had men cavorting in THEIR underwear (i.e. Joe Boxer, Michael Jordan, and what's-his-name in Calvins)? I demand equal time! KA -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Schneider Subject: Re: The Washington Post, "Happy Together" Me: > I'm struck by the fact that, for all off Post writer David Segal's > veneration of the song "Happy Together," he omits any mention of > its composer and lyricist, Alan Gordon and Gary Bonner. A shame, that. It's already been pointed out to me that, in the latter portions of his article, Segal names both men as well as interviewing Gordon. In the words of the poet, "Mea maxima culpa." Sometimes one is more attentive than others. Perhaps, also, it was tied in with my continuing irritation at the habit of referring to [Performer X]'s song, while omitting any mention of the individuals who actually wrote it -- as in, The Turtles' "Happy Together." I guess I was a little too eager to believe that that was what was happening in Segal's article. A little too eager, a little inattentive ... Chris "I Didn't Know What Time It Was" Schneider -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 07:38:17 -0000 From: Andres Subject: Beatles novelties - need a trade Anything about or somehow related to the Beatles. Check it out: Need to trade for something from my list of wants (will be sent to you). Regards, Andres -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:20:32 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Sinatra's bottom Phil X. Milstein: >'s still hard to believe a guy like Frank could ever have stooped > so low. How about "Satisfy Me One More Time", Frank's 1974 plea for sex? "Caress me, molest me one more time. Misuse me, abuse me, one more time. Excite me and ignite me with your sweet torso, Use your muscles, my corpuscles want to grow." Reprise Records even took out a "parental guidance recommended" advertisement in the July 20, 1974 issue of Billboard. Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 18:04:23 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Color My World / Happy Together Hi Just heard Pet Clark's "Color My World" used in an M&M's commercial. Of course, the soaring original woulda been better than the so-so now-female sound they used (you know, girl singing is half asleep sound?), but just good to hear a great hit that I haven't heard in quite awhile. Makes me wanna get it out and play it over & over!! As for the "Happy Together" article, it's very good. I think the artist and writer would like getting the money, but where do you draw a line with lyrics? Or say, the person singing the song as compared to the one fans of the song remember? As above, many will think this "person" singing "Color My World" is doing an original song, since it's not played much nowadays. I agree that the Turtls could be hurt by fans thinking they'd sold out "their" song, even tho they really didn't write it. I guess the power shoulda been in Alan's hands, but they botched that idea. So, the Turtles are suing Applebee's? Well, they certainly know about lawsuits. Then again, they usually lose, so........Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:45:48 +0100 From: Various Subject: Re: Paula's Bad Habits Dear Members, Find below a compendium of recent messages on the subject of the Bad Habits/Delaney & Bonnie. Can we please now consider this topic of discussion closed. Remember the following motto: Rock not Pop - '60s not '70s. S'pop discourages discussions on matters outside those boundaries. Thank you. ---------- >From Eddy: It is very unlikely that this is actually Delaney & Bonnie. With D&B's active recording career from circa 1968 to 1972, it is highly unlikely they would have a parallel career as Bad Habits, with releases spanning the same era. Not to mention the fact that D&B had several pretty successful 45's in the early 70's, so there would really be no need to try a parallel career. D&B recorded for Stax (1968), Apple (unreleased)/Elektra (1969) and Atco (1970-1972) to call it a day on Columbia (1972). Although far from comprehensive, the only article I have been able to find on D&B is a rather short feature in Goldmine issue 179, which does not mention Bad Habits nor the Paula label. An Osoborne price guide is indeed the only place where BH are linked to D&B: imo a mistake based on one or two covers of D&B songs by the Paula group. ---------- >From Ray: The Bad Habits 45s: 1 Bad Wind/Images: The City (Paula 307) 1972 2 Touch The Sun/Louie, Louie (Paula 374) c197? Recorded in Shreveport, the second single by this obscure Northern Louisiana band (probably different from the other Bad Habits offers a good garage psych song with keyboards on Touch The Sun (written by Jack Russell and Ron Difulio) and a fuzzed out version of the garage classic. On the first 45, whilst the 'A' side is a nicely orchestrated pop opus, the meat is to be found on the flip. It begins with heavy fuzz before turning into the same kind of music as on the 'A' side. Quite unexpectedly, though, a middle piece with stark and discordant trumpets and a quirky guitar solo comes forth, hovering on the verge of avant-garde and lifting the whole effort some rungs up on the ladder. Artist The Bad Habits Label Paula 374 Song title Louie Louie Medium 45 Promo single by a band including Delaney and Bonnie. B-side is 'Touch The Sun. Released early 70s. ---------- >From Roger: Four tracks by the Bad Habits appear on a Charly compilation LP of "Frat Rock" bands on the Paula label (John Fred & the Playboys and The Uniques being the best known) called "Born on the Bayou", one of which is "I Don't Want To Discuss It" that Delaney & Bonnie cut a short time later. This may be where someone came up with the D&B connection. No information on the band is offerered in the liner notes, but it is assumed they are from Louisiana. Excellent lp however, and the Bad Habits do a fine version of the title track and "Night Owl". Unfortunately "Louie Louie" is not on the lp. Westside (UK) was mining the Jewel / Paula / Ronn catalog a few years ago, mainly soul stuff, and I was hoping they would put out a comp of the Paula label 45s, but it never came to be. ---------- >From paferra: Another Bad Habits tune, "I Don't Want To Discuss It" (b/w "If The Whole World Stopped Loving" - PAULA 342) apparently continued to get exposure during their touring days with Eric Clapton / Delaney & Bonnie days as well. Clapton later put their live version of it on his "History of Eric Clapton" anthology, one of my favorites from them. I just love Delaney Bramlett's voice! To add a little more to this: Jewel, Paula, and Ronn Records labels, which apparently specialized in R&B, jazz, and country (ex. Nat Stuckey), were founded by Shreveport record store owner Stan Lewis (Dale Hawkins of "Suzy -Q" fame was one of his employees at one time); the Fuel 2000 label recently bought them up. From what I've been able to dig up from several sites, Paula eventually became Jewel-Paula, and some other labels sprung from that as well, such as Bobby Patterson's Soul Power. Here's a few links with some more shreds of info on the Paula label: Here's an interesting bit of Jewel-Paula background: "...I-20 connects East and West and two early recording hubs: Jackson, MS, home of Trumpet Records (which produced sides by Sonny Boy Williamson, Big Joe Williams, Sunnyland Slim, Willie Love, the terrific black gospel group the Southern Boys and many others), and Shreveport, LA, home of Jewel-Paula Records (which recorded Johnny Shines, Frank Frost, Clifton Chenier, Robert Johnson's step-son Robert Jr. Lockwood, Willie Dixon when he was in dispute with the Chess brothers, and, later, Ike Turner, among othe rs). In between, lie the towns which always provided sources and stopovers for the blues..." I pulled a list of folks on Paula from MusicStack's site with the label name, and selecting only vinyl for format. I came up with several pages of artists who've recorded on that label, way too long to include here: ---------- ---------- -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 12:15:10 +0200 From: Eddy Subject: Ringo records Clark Besch: > More Ringo records. Veronica with the Moniques (somehow that group > name sounds lousy to me) did "Ringo Did It" on Centaur Records 106 > and Dick Lord did "Like Ringo" on Atco 6331 in 1964. The latter had > ties to Frank Zappa in some way, if I remember correctly. That's Brian Lord & Midnighters you're thinking of. Zappa's song The Big Surfer was the A-side of his 1963 single on Vigah, re-issued on Capitol. As for the various Beatles & Ringo tribute records, I compiled a pretty comprehensive listing, which Charles Reinhart published in his book "You can't do that", without as much as a thank you. See Al, it's not just in the record business people get ripped off! In any case, if there's an interest in this, I'll see what I can do to make this available to the group. And yes, if anybody does have a recording of Badfinger's Name of the Game with Al Kooper, I'd love to see it appear on Musica ! Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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