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Spectropop - Digest Number 1428



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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Al Kooper - Badfinger
           From: Craig Davison 
      2. Herb Wiener
           From: Gary Myers 
      3. Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles
           From: Frank Lipsius 
      4. Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles
           From: Austin Powell 
      5. Re: The Paul Simon Songbook
           From: David Coyle 
      6. Re: The Portraits
           From: Gary Myers 
      7. Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles / The Carefrees
           From: Fred Clemens 
      8. Re: Timi Yuro "Hurt"
           From: David Coyle 
      9. Joe Saraceno
           From: Mac Joseph 
     10. Re: Cameo-Parkway / Daylight Saving time!
           From: Clark Besch 
     11. Bad Habits on Paula
           From: Freeman Carmack 
     12. Re: Paul Atkinson of the Zombies R.I.P.
           From: pgoped 
     13. More on Flip
           From: Simon White 
     14. Re: UK Oriole
           From: Mikey 
     15. Van McCoy demo @ musica
           From: Mick Patrick 
     16. Re: Joe Saraceno
           From: D.J. Holvay 
     17. Bernie Schwartz's "Follow Me" on musica
           From: Country Paul 
     18. Re: John Paul & George's Ringo
           From: Mike McKay 
     19. Re: Truckin' to "Here Comes The Judge"
           From: Dave Heasman 
     20. Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update
           From: Martin Roberts 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:58:34 -0000 From: Craig Davison Subject: Al Kooper - Badfinger Just thought I'd be really brazen and see if Al Kooper would care to share any Badfinger anecdotes with the board. I was watching a documentary about the band and had forgetten that they worked on an (unreleased?) album together and had (unfortunately) shared a "manager." Such a great band and such a sad, sad story... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 23:18:38 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Herb Wiener In my search for Joe London (Liberty, 1959), I've learned (thanks to Andrew's tip about the writers of a Kenny Chandler song) that songwriter Karriet Kane is actually Herb Weiner. This info comes from Chandler, who even met Joe London back then, and even did a later version of the same song that London charted! Does anyone have any leads on Herb Weiner? Chandler says he would be 73 now. I'll be trying the publishing company that owns "It's My Party", for which Wiener is listed as a co-writer, but if anyone in here knows a more direct route, that would be great. Gary Myers / MusicGem http://home.earthlink.net/~gem777/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:29:59 -0500 From: Frank Lipsius Subject: Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles Bob Finiz cut a record with "The Beatlettes" called "Dance Beatle Dance" that came out on Jamie 1270 in January 1964, followed in June 65 by the Philly-Liverpool beat of Pepe Lettanzi's "Morning on the Mersey" on Jamie 1300. Frank Lipsius -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:29:39 +0100 From: Austin Powell Subject: Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles Me: > There was British actress Dora Bryan's "All I Want For Christmas > Is A Beatle" (It made #20 in 1963 on UK Fontana) and there's Cindy > Rella's "Bring Me A Beatle For Christmas" on U.S. Drum Boy. Paul: > Do you have either one of these songs? Cindy Rella I have for sure...Dora might be gathering dust in the garage, but pleeez don't tell anyone I've got them. Street cred is SO hard to keep ! Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:02:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: The Paul Simon Songbook What I meant by saying that I'd never heard anything about the reissue of "The Paul Simon Songbook," is that I was unaware that it was to be reissued when it was. I went trolling for new releases that Tuesday and there it was. I don't remember reading anything about its imminent release, nothing in the press, no mention on any of the internet mailing lists, etc. It was just a complete and total shock to me, so much that I was afraid it was going to disappear into thin air as I went to the checkout line, being a figment of my imagination. Did Paul Simon just decide out of the blue to let this album be reissued? David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:38:07 -0700 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: The Portraits >From Martin Roberts, re Dr. Goldfoot & the Girl Bombs: > At the risk of sounding boring...I've got this LP ... Amazing! > "Hidin' From Myself" is a good piece of harmony pop written Hemric > & Styner ... I wonder if H & S were on the session? We did the session as a vocal group only, over an existing track. I'm pretty sure the guitar work was by Tommy Tedesco. Clancy, our mgr, produced our session, but Styner might have there - I don't recall for sure. None of us were at the session for the track. > Small photo on the rear of the sleeve ... L to R: Phil Anthony (still plays part time and tunes pianos here in SoCal), me, Paul Stefan (moved to Yuma area circa early 90's, haven't had any contact since then), John Rondell (back in Wisc since about '69, teaches gtr), Pat Short (dec about 1999 - back in Milwaukee). The reason we're holding a picture frame is because it would go with the name Portraits. We actually never used the name Paul & the Pack anywhere but on that record. Long story about the name: We came out to SoCal as the Mojo Men in late summer '65, a couple months later the SF Mojo Men charted with "Dance With Me", which, according to info we received, got airplay in Milwaukee because DJ's we knew there thought it was us. But, by the time we did this record, we knew we had to change our name. Paul Stefan, who had already been out here from Milwaukee for a while, joined our band when previous lead singer Doug Masters (Weiss) left (Doug was doing Bobby Hatfield in a Vegas Righteous Bros tribute act a few yrs ago). Paul wanted the group name to be "Paul & ... something", so we wanted a word that began with "p". We had a meeting in Mike Curb's office and came up with Paul & the Pack. I didn't like that, but that's the way the vote went. I got home and looked at the new Billboard (which I subscribed to) to see that Terry Knight & the Pack were on the charts with "I Who Have Nothing". I thought, "This is no good, we need another name." I looked through the dictionary under "p" and, that night (around 3AM after our usual gig), I came up with Portraits. I called Curb the next day, but he had already ordered the record labels. We took the photos, probably that same week. Jerry Tawney joined us a few months after Paul got drafted, around fall of '67. Paul, who had a beautiful voice, had a few previous releases, two of which were local hits, on Milwaukee labels, but he never had another one after the Paul & the Pack thing. More trivia: IIRC, that's Harley Hatcher in the Candles photo. Of probable greater interest - I'm pretty sure the girl in the photo is Barbara Pittman. This is something I learned in the 80's from a story on her in Goldmine or Discoveries. Thanks again, Martin. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:29:14 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: Girl Group songs about the Beatles / The Carefrees Louis wrote: > Do you know of any girl group songs about the Beatles? Bob Beason: > Let's not forget The Vernons Girls' "We Love The Beatles." IIRC, > someone even posted that song's lyrics here during a previous > discussion of Beatlemania exploitation records a year or two ago. > A real classic of the genre. The Carefrees were brought up earlier as a girl group. Actually, that's only half correct. The Carefrees were three girls and three guys. (If you play the flip side of the Carefrees "We Love You Beatles", which was called "Hot Blooded Lover", you'll hear the guys voices more dominant.) Two Carefrees girls were formerly with The Vernons Girls about a year before. Lyn Cornell had left The Vernons Girls and gone solo before joining the Carefrees. Betty Prescott left The Vernons Girls and was a member of the Breakaways before before joining the Carefrees. Barbara Kay started singing three years prior to joining the Carefrees. The three guys were all previously associated with one another in a vocal instrumental quartet, the Don Riddell Four. They were Don Riddell, Johnny Evans, and John Stevens. Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Timi Yuro "Hurt" Funny enough, the first time I ever heard "Hurt" by Timi Yuro, it was a cover by Ian and The Zodiacs from the "This Is Merseybeat" LP. Was surprised later how much the singer for the Liverpool group (Wellington Wade, I think) was able to mimic Timi's tremulous voice. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 06:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mac Joseph Subject: Joe Saraceno Ok, I have another name from my vault of memories. Can anyone out there in Spectropop land tell me whatever became of Joe Saraceno, the great arranger and genius behind all those great 60's instrumental groups like the Marketts and the T-Bones (the future Hamilton, Joe Frank &Reynolds)? I always thought that whoever played the lead guitar in "No Matter What Shape,(your stomach's in) was great. That is one of the crispest, cleanest guitars I have ever heard. And whoever Joe had doing the female background vocals, they genuinely complimented the rest of the arrangement. any help would be appreciated. Thanks much in advance! Mac Joesph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:54:47 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Cameo-Parkway / Daylight Saving time! Mick Patrick: > I forgot to add APRIL FOOL! I received no such CD. Sorry. HA! Phil M: > You had me going -- I watched some ChubCheck vidclips last night, > with new respect despite not having actually heard his "great" > auteurpieces. And now I'd like to! Mick, I cannot tell you how exciting it was to hear that someone with "business ties" had finally gotten concrete (plastic?) evidence of the Abkco releases! I began spreading "Rumors" faster than Johnny Crawford's "Nose Could Grow"! (Huh?). I knew it was April Fool's Day, but didn't realize you blokes in the mother country celebrated it too!! It was a good trick, but it was a sad come down for me. On the bright side (and I do mean bright!), I celebrated my 48th birthday yesterday with the coming of "Daylight Savings Time"! Mick, you don't have that over there do you?? Seemed like I missed half the morning when I realized what time I REALLY got up! Brings me to the point. With "Happy Together" getting so many airplays, think of all the airplays certain songs get for ONE day out of the year because of topics they are about. When i had my radio show, I played Keith's "Daylight Savings Time" (ya gotta give me more time to have fun with my baby) every year this particular week. If it woulda gone top 10, it would get that airplay all over the country, but it's top 40 only status leaves it to only the obscure playlists of this week. What a bummer! Keith's lost revenue and our lost listening pleasure. "Monster Mash" is a perfect example. A hit 3 different years, but usually only played on Halloween or novelty specials. I love the old novelty records from Dickie Goodman to Mrs. Miller, but radio won't touch them today (except all you SPoppers with inet shows, thank God). Anyway, wonder how many plays Bobby Pickett has to his credit for his (mostly) once a year graveyard smash? Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:39:34 -0000 From: Freeman Carmack Subject: Bad Habits on Paula The other day, a friend of mine played me a killer version of "Louie Louie", credited to Bad Habits, featuring a great, prominent, Hammond organ groove. He said that it was Delaney and Bonnie, before the Delaney and Bonnie and Friends period. It sure grabbed my attention. I thought that if anyone knew anything about it, this august group would. I checked AMG; no listing for "Louie" done by Bad Habits. Is anyone aware of any online resources about Paula and their catalogue, or any info about this track? I would appreciate any info. Freeman Carmack Worthington, OH -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 02:43:31 -0000 From: pgoped Subject: Re: Paul Atkinson of the Zombies R.I.P. Sj, I agree 100 percent with you regarding Paul Atkinson's contribution to the Zombies. Rod Argent's legendary organ riffs and Colin Blunstone's captivating vocals notwithstanding, Paul Atkinson provided simple but beautiful, and vital, lines to so many terrific Zombies compositions. Two of my favorite songs highlighting guitar work (over organ) were "Nothing's Changed," one of three Zombies songs featured on Otto Preminger's 1965's "Bunny Lake Is Missing" soundtrack, and the haunting "Maybe After He's Gone,: from Odessey and Oracle in 1967. You'll find some very dedicated admirers of the Zombies at their Yahoo Web site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zombie_heaven/ As some on this board may know, Rod and Colin reunited for a tour this winter, playing at Atlantic City Trump Marina and BB Kings in NYC, and put on a spectacular performance. They dedicated "I Want to Fly" to Paul, and if you've heard that song, you'll get chills down your spine. Paul was a fine player in what is arguably the best band of the post-Beatles British Invasion era, and he will be missed. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:16:31 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: More on Flip Austin Roberts wrote - > It is with great embarassment (or at least some) that I have found > that Gary Paxton, who really was Flip of Skip and Flip, as well as > the lead singer of the Hollywood Argyles was not Flip Cartridge. If I can work out the technique for "playing to Musica" as I beleive it is called, I'm going to put in Flip Cartridge's "Don't Take The Lovers From The World" so the lovers on this list from all over the world can hear it. You don't have to be a lover though. But if you are, it helps. Now as I remember it, Gary Paxton talks his way through "Alley Oop" so the comparison is difficult for me. But there's a certain tonal quality that suggests something similar to me. But then I can't tell a Wirtz from a Mango. Simon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 20:25:33 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: UK Oriole > Most all of (the UK Oriole) material is too obscure to show up > on Legacy's radar, although I have piqued Bob's interest in getting > some of it together for Sundazed. Al, that is a great idea.!! PS....any luck with Steve Lawrence and the Columbia meterial?? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 01:29:34 +0100 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Van McCoy demo @ musica Julio: > I'm getting completely obsessed with Van McCoy. I already > loved his perfect songs, but now I'm fascinated with his > voice. His demos (if they exist) must be heaven. I'm sure they must exist, but I have only ever come across one Van McCoy demo. As promised, I have posted it to musica. It's his version of "Baby I'm Yours", as immortalised by the lovely Barbara Lewis. All of the backing vocals are by Van too. Rarely, if ever, has our man sounded so ... vandrogynous. For that reason, I think you will be transported directly to heaven: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:52:13 -0700 From: D.J. Holvay Subject: Re: Joe Saraceno Mac Joseph wrote: > I have another name from my vault of memories. Can anyone out there > in Spectropop land tell me whatever became of Joe Saraceno, the > great arranger and genius behind all those great '60s instrumental > groups like the Marketts and the T-Bones (the future Hamilton, Joe > Frank & Reynolds)? Mac: I'm pretty sure that Bones Howe was the engineer on those records (The Marketts, T-Bones & The Routers). He told me that studio musicians played on all of those records (i.e. "The Wrecking Crew" -- Hal Blaine/drums, Tommy Tedesco/guitar, Ray Pohlman/bass, etc.). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:04:33 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Bernie Schwartz's "Follow Me" on musica Bernie Schwartz Ė Follow Me (wr. Kenny Edwards; pr. Bernie Schwartz), from LP: The Wheel (CoBurt CO-1001, 1969-70) Following our recent discussion about Bernie Schwartz, I'm able to post this track to musica (with a litrle help from my friend). The following two paragraphs are from Fuzz Acid & Flowers ( http://tinyurl.com/35432 ) "When Schwartz got his draft notice, he filed as a conscientious objector and was required to work at Goodwill. Sharon Sheeley called him up to tell him she had a new writing deal with CoBurt (Pierre Cosette and Burt Sugarman). Schwartz did three demos for them which ended up on his only album, The Wheel, which featured Euphoria's Wesley Watt and Bill Lincoln, in addition to Comfortable Chair member Gene Garfin. Produced by Schwartz and Euphoric Productions, the album contains ten tracks, including a cover of Euphoria's Sunshine Woman which ends with one minute of fuzz and feedback guitars! The album also features good covers of Neil Young's Round And Round, Randy Newman's Think It's Gonna Rain Today, Fred Neil's Candy Man (with "frantic" guitar parts), former Stone Poneys' Kenny Edwards 'Follow Me' and Gene Garfin's 'Lost My Wings.' A really interesting album, especially if you like Euphoria. "Another Schwartz song was chosen for the soundtrack of 'The Magic Garden Of Stanley Sweetheart' (MGM 1ST-20ST, 1970) which starred a young and unknown Don Johnson." Kenny Edwards was in the Stone Poneys with Linda Ronstadt. In my opinion, the song is quite well-written, with clever lyrics. The album also contains the quite pretty song "Peace on Earth," from "The Magic Garden of Stanley Sweetheart," a really bad flick starring Don Johnson in (I believe) his first starring role as the title character. I have a beautiful track by the Comfortable Chair, which I can post when you get tired of this one. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:51:49 EDT From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: John Paul & George's Ringo Phil Milstein wrote: > Along similar lines, but even more specifically, I'm looking for > songs about Ringo. Not Lorne Greene's Ringo, mind you, but John > Paul & George's. Were there enough of 'em to comprise even a mid- > length compilation? Ella Fitzgerald, of all people, had a B-side entitled "Ringo Beat," which I have somewhere. If no one else can come up with it for you, let me know, Phil, and I'll commence an archeological expidition through my 45s and do my best to unearth it. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:55:24 +0100 From: Dave Heasman Subject: Re: Truckin' to "Here Comes The Judge" Phil Milstein wrote: > Markham very clearly and convincingly claims the Judge routine > as of his own invention, born at the Alhambra Theatre in New York in > 1928. He adds to that the story of how, in 1935, he also invented the > Truckin' dance, an immensely popular dance (based, if I'm not mistaken, > on the old Cakewalk, of turn-of-the-century fame) that didn't fully > break across to a white audience until R. Crumb's Keep On Truckin' > poster of the late 1960s (and, of course, only in remnant form even > then). Duke Ellington. with Ivie Anderson vocal, did "Everybody's Truckin' " in 1935. In, I think, 1962, Frank Sinatra reached one of a number of career-nadirs with "Everybody's Twistin'". Same song. Not-the-same-song -- Shorty Long's "Here Comes The Judge". I too have always maintained that Pigmeat's was the first rap record. Not just the funky drum breaks and spot-on delivery, but also the subject matter. Very few 60-year-old black artists were making anti-war records in 1968. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:55:33 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Jack Nitzsche at Spectropop update Phil Milstein has stepped up to the oche this week with the ROTW on Jack's Home page. He reviews Don Christy's "As Long As You Love Me" (Name 3). Phil describes the singer's style as "surprisingly intimate, ...warm and convincing." It may raise a few eyebrows to learn the vocalist is actually Sonny Bono. The record isn't found on the discography, all entries on which are confirmed by a reputable source - "possible maybes" aren't listed. Jack and Sonny are no longer with us and, at least for the present, H.B. Barnum isnít talking! I'd guess Jack *was* involved but for now, at least, just enjoy the music: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm Part ten, sadly the final instalment, of Jack's radio interview from '82 can be heard On The Radio. He discusses the recording and release of St. Giles Cripplegate and his plans for the future: http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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