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Spectropop - Digest Number 1417

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Birthday greetings for Jeff Barry
           From: Laura Pinto 
      2. re: Silver info requested
           From: Eddy 
      3. More re: Silver
           From: Patrick Beckers 
      4. Chubby
           From: Frank Murphy 
      5. Yet more pieces of Silver
           From: Austin Powell 
      6. Re: Jeanne & Jeannie Thomas
           From: Simon White 
      7. Re: Copyrighting riffs
           From: Jim Nelson 
      8. Re: Jan Berry R.I.P.
           From: Robert R. Radil 
      9. Jan Berry
           From: Chris Ponti 
     10. Chubby Checker's ego
           From: Paul Urbahns 
     11. Re: Secret Schwartz
           From: Gary Myers 
     12. Re: Silver
           From: Cleber 
     13. Re: "Take A Girl Like You" Soundtrack
           From: Sean 
     14. Re: Browning Bryant
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     15. Portraits correction
           From: Gary Myers 
     16. Joe London?
           From: Gary Myers 
     17. The Mayor of Sunset Strip
           From: Kurt B 
     18. Re: Gary Myers and the Portraits
           From: Martin Roberts 
     19. Re: Whoever wrote Lulu's Back In Town
           From: Chris Schneider
     20. Re: Plagiarism & "Lulu"
           From: Frank Young 
     21. Re: Knechtel's best
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     22. Re: [that] Alan Gordon/"Happy Together"
           From: Laura Pinto 
     23. Dick & Deedee / Mark Dinning
           From: thirteen_eagle 
     24. Reparata
           From: Phil Hall 
     25. Re: UK Oriole
           From: David Bell 

Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:53:13 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Birthday greetings for Jeff Barry Hi S'poppers, One of the legends of rock 'n' roll has a birthday coming up next Saturday. Jeff Barry turns 66 on April 3rd (hopefully he won't mind me publicizing his age; his date of birth is all over the Internet, after all!). I'd like to put together a special birthday greeting page on his web site and would love to include messages from as many of his fans and friends as possible. And that's where you all come in! If you'd like to be included in the birthday page, please email me with your birthday wishes for Jeff. My email address, which will hopefully not get cut off, is (and if it gets cut off, that's lpintop at Please don't respond to this message here on Spectropop (unless you use the pull-down menu to ensure the message goes to me and not the whole group, so the mods don't pull their hair out!). For those of you who have not yet seen Jeff's official fan site, here's a link to it: Thanks so much, Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:03:30 +0200 From: Eddy Subject: re: Silver info requested Bill George: > I have an album from the '70s by a group called Silver. I had it > on a cassette (transferred it) so there wasn't any information > included. The only thing I know is that Brent Mydland (of the > Grateful Dead) was in the band. Does anyone have any more > information? Who was in the band, etc? And does anyone have > their second LP? I really like them. Soft harmony pop somewhere > in between America and The Eagles. Thanks for any help. Silver Initial release : 1976 Arista 4076 Debut album from Silver includes Brent Mydland on keyboards and vocals. Tracks a.. Musician (It's Not an Easy Life) (Brent Mydland) b.. All I Wanna Do (Steve Ferguson) c.. Memory (Sandi Lifson) d.. No Wonder (Greg Collier) e.. Trust in Somebody (Greg Collier) f.. It's Gonna Be Alright (John Batdorf) g.. Climbing (Brent Mydland) h.. Wham Bam Shang-A-Lang (Rick Giles) i.. Right On Time (Greg Collier) j.. Goodbye, So Long (John Batdorf) Musicians a.. John Batdorf - guitar, vocals b.. Greg Collier - guitar, vocals c.. Tom Leadon - bass, vocals d.. Brent Mydland - keyboards, vocals e.. Harry Stinson - drums, vocals Other credits a.. Producer, arranger - Tom Sellers, Silver b.. Orchestral arrangements - Tom Sellers c.. Wham Bam producer - Tom Sellers, Clive Davis d.. Vice Producer - John "Maverick" Simmons e.. Engineer/Production Assistant - Joe "Skeedorie" Sidore f.. Album Coordination - Martha Sellers g.. Road Manager and Friend - Steve Smith h.. Equipment and Jokes - Jack "Ol' Shep" Batdorf i.. Cover Design - Philip Hartmann j.. Photography - Guy Webster k.. Direction - Hartmann & Goodman l.. Recorded at Indigo Ranch, Sound Labs and Wally Heider m.. Correspondence to 1500 Cross Roads Of The World, Hollywood, CA 90028 Related releases This LP was remastered and digitalized and released in France on CD in 2000 on Magic Records. Three singles were released in conjunction with this LP; a.. Wham Bam Shang-A-Lang / Right On Time, Silver, May 1976, Arista 0189 b.. Memory / So Much For The Past, Silver, November 1976, Arista 0210 c.. Musician (It's Not An Easy Life) / Right On Time, Silver, January 1977, Arista 0227 Silver released a second LP in 1978, "Cry Me a River," after Brent Mydland left the group. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 14:01:13 +0200 From: Patrick Beckers Subject: More re: Silver I used to have the album, but you can find a little bit more info here: I've always liked the song "Musician (It's Not An Easy Life)." -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 14:22:03 +0100 From: Frank Murphy Subject: Chubby S. J. Dibai: > Someone ought to keep [Chubby Checker's] ego in check ... here > is a link to a two-year-old story from the Philadelphia Weekly > (one of those free weeklies) that shows just what I mean: > Chubby is still a working musician and still gets the headlines with stories like this just before he tours or does a big gig. However, I do note that this year he has downgraded his demands to a photograph of his good self in the entrance to the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame before he will accept a nomination. reflections on northern soul Saturdays at 14:30 or listen now -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:49:29 +0100 From: Austin Powell Subject: Yet more pieces of Silver That's what I love about Spectropop: every now and again someone mentions a group and off I go into my garage to dig out some long-forgotten vinyl. So I find the Silver album, released here on Arista and lo and behold, no info about the five-piece group on the sleeve. Steve Ferguson, Sandi Lifson, George Thomas, Greg Collier, John Batdorf and Rick Giles were the various writers on the album with production credited to Tom Sellers and Silver. "Wham Bam" was the track that got some airplay over here. Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:50:25 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Jeanne & Jeannie Thomas Austin Powell: > There's a Jeannie Thomas LP on Strand 1030 called "Sings For the Boys." Is there a picture on the cover, Austin? Simon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:06:09 -0500 From: Jim Nelson Subject: Re: Copyrighting riffs Gary Myers: >The closest thing I ever heard to a lawsuit on something like that was >when the writers of "Speedy Gonzalez" tried to sue for the "la la" >stuff on "Crocodile Rock." I never heard the outcome, but I doubt that >they had a real case, for the same reason I mention above. Elton John says Paul Anka also went after him for that record, which he felt ripped off "Diana." Nothing became of it, but Anka made damned sure the followup single, "Daniel," would get "honored" on one of his own records - and it did: Elton's first response to "(You're) Having My Baby" was "God, this sounds like 'Daniel'." Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:12:34 -0000 From: Robert R. Radil Subject: Re: Jan Berry R.I.P. Joe Nelson: > The guy partying with with Jan at the end of "At the Drive-In" is a > friend of mine, Dr. Robert Rush from the Rip Chords. I'm sure he has > the news already, but he's got to be devastated. I asked Bob Rush if he had the chance to meet Jan during the show's taping, and he responded: "Sure - we stood together at the finale, and we were singing together backstage, got make-up done together. He was a sweet man." Bob Radil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 16:44:06 -0000 From: Chris Ponti Subject: Jan Berry What a brave cat he was. He worked so hard at his physical rehab; given the cards he was dealt as far as the accident, he coped amazingly. I last spoke with him in a little covenience store called The Sainsbury on Wilshire and Bundy. We had common roots in music and chatted about old friends, but he seemed to've improved a lot since I'd seen him maybe 10 years earlier. I was told his dad lived nearby, but I'm not sure. His body was still so affected; he was quite hunched and one arm seemed not to serve him at all. Nonetheless, he smiled and was so sweet to everyone with whom he came into contact. I'm sorry to be superficial, but he was the most glamourous guy in pop, with the possible exception of Elvis. For us East Coast rockers, looking at Jan Berry was like a lesson in genetics. We were all these ethnic, funny-looking cats, pale from the streets of NY, and here was this Greek god, who oozed sun & surf and having girls hanging all over him. When NY teenagers first heard Jan & Dean records, it instantly made us want to go see what the West Coast was all about. Sun, surf, blonde girls? I'm in! I was so lucky to have had many visits with Jan. How hard it must've been to go from poster boy for the SoCal lifestyle to someone who had to work so hard just to achieve basic daily functions. He was one of the good guys. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:20:34 EST From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Chubby Checker's ego Chubby really things he accomplished a lot, but actually "The Twist" was a direct copy (sound-a-like) of the Hank Ballard record. Chubby won a chart war of sorts as he had a bigger company and Dick Clark behind him. Ballard actually wrote the song and the arrangement that Checker has been making money off. They probably selected Checker for the song because he could sound like other singers. No creative genius is shown in Checker's records, even though I like them all. Paul Urbahns -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:01:40 -0800 From: Gary Myers Subject: Re: Secret Schwartz Previously: > There may be a secret Schwartz thing goin' on 'cause Melvin Schwartz > wrote "Baby Blue" & also "Baby Talk." No connection between Bernie Schwartz & Melvin Schwartz. gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:10:07 -0000 From: Cleber Subject: Re: Silver The first Silver LP was released here in Brazil in 1976. It's really a good albumn and was released on CD by a French label called MAGIC RECORDS: Cleber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:10:54 -0000 From: Sean Subject: Re: "Take A Girl Like You" Soundtrack In answer to Sean's request for a source for the soundtrack to the film "Take a Girl Like You," Ray supplied the URL Unfortunately, however, that's the soundtrack to a BBC TV show, not the 1970 film starring Hayley Mills and Oliver Reed. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:52:26 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Browning Bryant Previously: > Googling Browning Bryant, I have learned he was born in Pickens, SC, > was a child movie star, and is still recording to some degree. Does he still live in Pickens? That's not far from me. I could look him up and get him to autograph my copy of One Time In A Million--and maybe he would want me to autograph his copy since (not to make a lot out of it) I happened to write it with with the invaluable assistance of Ms. Ellie Greenwich. Di la, Rashkovksy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:02:30 -0800 From: Gary Myers Subject: Portraits correction It was great fun to hear our record over the internet, but I was not the leader of the Portraits, as indicated. The group, at that time, was: Phil Anthony - org/leader Jerry Tawney - lead voc John Rondell - gtr Gary Myers - dr I also arranged and overdubbed acoustic rhythm guitar on some of our sessions. Phil still plays part-time and tunes pianos. We worked together a few times last year. Last I knew, Jerry had been out of the business for many years, living in Orange County. John, now using his real last name, has been back in Wisconsin (where the group originated) for a few decades. He stopped playing a few years ago, but is apparently back playing now. I played full-time until '82 and part-time since then. When I do a gig as leader, I still use the name "Portraits" (It was actually me who suggested that name, when we had to change our name from the Mojo Men, after the SF band hit). gem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:49:22 -0800 From: Gary Myers Subject: Joe London? I'm searching for any clues on Joe London. His 1959 Liberty release, "It Might Have Been" (flip: Lonesome Whistle) bubbled under in BB and charted in CB. Because it was first issued on Dinamo, a small Milwaukee label, this falls into my continuing Wisc research. Here is what I have so far: > Songwriter Bert Salmirs recalls Joe London as a young folk > singer in New York City. London sings in a pleasing tenor voice, > reminiscent of Jimmie Rodgers, with elements of a young Paul Anka. > Salmirs claims to have written the melody for "It Might Have Been" > though the writers are listed as Harriet Kane and Ronnie Green. > Salmirs believes both names are fictitious, and that one is actually > publisher/manager Herb Weiner, who reportedly added his name to the > songs of many other writers. Anyone? Gary Myers / MusicGem -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 00:36:32 -0000 From: Kurt B Subject: The Mayor of Sunset Strip After many months of waiting, the Rodney Bingenheimer bio-pic "The Mayor of Sunset Strip" is finally in general release. It's in a handful of theaters here in the L.A. area. I'm not sure if it's been released nationwide. For those of you unfamiliar with the omnipresent Rodney, he's been a DJ at LA's KROQ since 1976 (when they broadcast on both AM and FM!) His life has touched the lives of many, many musicians and listeners. He broke many local and international bands by playing tapes and demos on his radio program. Claustrophobic scenes of Rodney sharing pieces from his never-ending collection of celebrity memorabilia are fascinating. And it's worth the price of admission alone to see vintage film clips and stills of Hollywood hipsters and musicians. Brian Wilson, Nancy Sinatra, Phil Spector, Kim Fowley, Bowie (and more) are featured. I found the film it to be a very touching portrait of a very influential figure in the musical history of LA. I'm sure it will disappear from the theaters after this week, so I simply wanted to encourage folks to see it now...or catch it when it comes out on DVD Kurt -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:58:55 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Re: Gary Myers and the Portraits I queried: > Did you work on any other records for Sidewalk (and its > sister [?] label Uptown)? And Gary replied: > Martin, are you sure these two were connected? No! Just a shot in the dark, I had a few of both labels by my record player and was struck by the similarity of design. (Black writing, white label. Yeah very similar! :-)) And I thought that while I'm asking questions I'd chuck this one into the mix. Did you 'find' musica? For any new members, it's on the Spectropop menu to the left of the page in, near the top in 'group Features'. Or for email only members, it's Have you got "Runaround Girl" on file? If not, I could post that when "Over The Rainbow" is removed. Thanks for your previous comments. Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:09:40 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Schneider Subject: Re: Whoever wrote Lulu's Back In Town Al Kooper: > whoever wrote Lulu's Back In Town could EASILY sue > David Clayton Thomas for Spinning Wheel AND > Randy Newman for Bet No One Ever Hurt This Bad. I hate to sound like a broken record or a repeating CD, for that matter, but ... the too-little-recognized composer of Etta James' "At Last" is that same unnamed individual who composed "Lulu's Back In Town": Harry Warren (1893-1981). He also wrote the music for "I Only Have Eyes For You". Warren isn't necessarily my favorite song composer; I do like him a lot, though, and it annoys me how his name seems to slip from people's memory. There's a very good, very informative site devoted to Harry Warren at Chris "I Don't Know If It's Cloudy Or Bright' Schneider P.S. For the record, the lyricist for both "Lulu" and "I Only Have Eyes For You" was the admirable Al Dubin. For "At Last" it was Mack Gordon. P.P.S. For those who haven't heard it, I'd strongly recommend the Mel Torme/Marty Paich version of "Lulu" recorded for Bethlehem in the '50s. (Rhino-reissued album "Lulu's Back In Town"; Rhino 75732) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: Frank Young Subject: Re: Plagiarism & "Lulu" Al Kooper wrote: > I don't think it went down, but whoever wrote Lulu's Back > In Town could EASILY sue David Clayton Thomas for Spinning > Wheel AND Randy Newman for Bet No One Ever Hurt This Bad.... > check it out y'all !!! Those writers were the great Al Dubin and Harry Warren, one of the finest songwriting teams of the 20th century. Newman and Clayton Thomas did indeed "pay homage" to this 1935 chestnut in the melodies to the two songs mentioned. I wonder how much of that is simply unconscious. I think it happens to every songwriter. Not to let anyone off the hook, though... Best, Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:06:10 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Knechtel's best > Mike Rashkow: > I'll always remember [Larry Knechtel] for "the best ever > rock n roll piano solo" (tm) on Duane Eddy's "You Are My > Sunshine" back in '59. Al Kooper: > The subtle best of Knechtel is the bass on The Byrds' > "Tambourine Man." There is some mistake--I did not make that post. I answered it with a single line referencing "Bridge Over Troubled Water" on which he played piano I believe. Di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:44:26 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Re: [that] Alan Gordon/"Happy Together" Artie Wayne wrote: > Alan ... How ya' doin'? Congratulations on the Applebees > restaurant commercial using "Happy Together." I usually hate > rewrites of hit songs to fit a product, but I think the lyric > "Imagine steak and shrimp on just one plate ... so happy together" > is perfect. It sells the product without compromising the > integrety of your song. Did you write the new lyric or did someone > at the ad agency? Now might be the time to suggest to your > publisher to get "Happy Together" to Mike Curb for Faith Hill and > Tim McGraw. Hi, I had to comment on Artie's question, which is an excellent question! Who DOES the rewriting of lyrics for commercials like this? Is it usually the songwriter or a third party? As a tribute to Ron Dante, who sings the "Happy Together" spot, I went to my local Applebees last night for some of that steak and shrimp. Delicious! I highly recommend the teriyaki steak/ coconut shrimp combo. "Happy Together" has always been one of my favorite songs, with or without food. I had the pleasure of seeing Flo and Eddie perform it on a couple of occasions in 2002 (in Clearwater, Florida and at EPCOT's Flower Power). I love that hook: "I can't see me lovin' nobody but you ..." Laura :) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 05:32:04 -0000 From: thirteen_eagle Subject: Dick & Deedee / Mark Dinning Hi all, This should be easy to confirm - are Dick & Deedee the backup singers on Mark Dinning's "Top 40, News, Weather and Sports"? Thanks! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:47:52 -0000 From: Phil Hall Subject: Reparata Thanks so much to Ray, Tony & Austin for their Reparata & The Delrons updates. They are one of my top five or ten favorite girl groups, and they have to have the greatest girl-group name of all time (Hey, that could be a contest!). Hopefully someone can persuade them to join us in this nostalgic madness. Tony, I hear what you're saying about wanting to go to their class reunion at St. Brendan's. I'm sure it's not a public event, but if there was any way to meet them, I'd drive down to Brooklyn myself. I'm a serious amateur photographer. I could take the pictures while you do the talking. And if I'm just dreaming, well, that's partially what this board is all about anyway. Phil H. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:26:44 EST From: David Bell Subject: Re: UK Oriole I was told on this site a few months ago that all of the Oriole master tapes are safe and sound in the Sony vault in Aylesbury in deepest Wiltshire or one of those southerly English counties, at least. I believe the difficulty is the ownership of a lot of these tapes is disputed but I could well have remembered that wrongly. For my sins, I'm a great Susan Singer fan and I long to see her stuff released on CD. I've tried to persuade a few people to put her on to compilation CDs over here, but to no avail. Ah well, David. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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