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Spectropop - Digest Number 1392

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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Blowed Up, real good!
           From: Steve Harvey 
      2. Re: "If My World Falls Through"/Rose Garden CD
           From: S.J. Dibai 
      3. Re: Midnight Cowboy -- what's the real story?
           From: Bryan 
      4. Re: The Golden Lost
           From: Art Longmire 
      5. Re: The Groop/Midnight Cowboy
           From: Art Longmire 
      6. Appy Together
           From: Mike Rashkow 
      7. Re: SH not HP
           From: Orion 
      8. Re: Tribute by Horizon!!
           From: Peter McCray 
      9. Re: Tony Rossini
           From: Peter Lerner 
     10. Links to Ed Rambeau, Mark Wirtz & Artie Wayne / "Here My Dear"
           From: Country Paul 
     11. Re: Carl Wayne/The Move
           From: Jim Shannon 
     12. Re: Shindig: live or Memorex?
           From: Bob Celli 
     13. Re: Witches & The Warlock
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     14. Re: SH not HP
           From: Art Longmire 
     15. Re: b/w + c/w = TSW
           From: Clark Besch 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 15:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Blowed Up, real good! Phil M. wrote: > I have heard that the Velvet Underground were invited to be the group > playing in the party scene, but for some reason turned it down. (They > were also invited to the band in Blow Up, but couldn't get their visas > together in time.) I always heard that the Who were the original pick for the Blow Up flick (because of their habit of smashing up their equipment). Heard Townsend nixed it due to the cheap guitar the director wanted him to smash up. Jeff Beck took over with the Yardbirds and had no problem with the guitar. However, the Mark Wirtz piece in Mojo also mentions the Tomorrow connection to Blow Up. Doubt that the Velvets were considered considering they couldn't get arrested stateside, let alone abroad. The film seems to be based on the Who. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:12:38 -0000 From: S.J. Dibai Subject: Re: "If My World Falls Through"/Rose Garden CD Hello again, everyone! Art Longmire wrote: > I do have the "If My World Falls Through" single by Rose Garden. > I haven't listened to it in years but I like it a lot -- nice lead vocal, > harmonies, and jangly folk-rock guitar. Somebody sent me an mp3 of it over the weekend. It's very good, but I think it must have sounded dated when it came out in 1968. It sounds more 1966, or '67 at latest, to my ears. > I never knew anyone else had recorded it. Was this written by > Kenny O'Dell? Yes. O'Dell was related to one of the band's producers. The Bobby Vee version I referred to is on his Do What You Gotta Do album from 1968, which I tried listening to recently after not playing it for a while, but I just couldn't take much of it. "If My World Falls Through" is one of the better tracks, but the cheesy Lincoln Mayorga arrangement (with peppy horns and high-pitched female backup vocals) brings it down somewhat. Amusingly, Vee sang it in a higher key than The Rose Garden's Diana Di Rose! > I've never heard the Rose Garden LP or the CD release by Collectors > Choice, and have always wondered how good it was. I picked it up recently on CD. Not great, but certainly not bad. If you like Byrdsy folk-rock with the addition of an androgynous female singer (singing either lead or harmony), I'd recommend it. There are some cool tracks on it, and interesting historical footnotes: three songs co-written by future Redbone co-founder Pat Vegas, two songs written by Gene Clark but not recorded by him or The Byrds, and one song the band wrote with Kim Fowley (actually an adaptation of a folk song, but that's nitpicking). If you are curious, Richie Unterberger's liner notes to the CD are easily readable online at I asked Richie if he knew why The Rose Garden CD didn't include the follow-up single (and why so many Collector's Choice reissues don't have bonus tracks), and he told me that the major labels don't often make bonus tracks available to Collector's Choice, even though CC would like to include them. Heavy sighs! S.J. Dibai -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:09:10 -0800 From: Bryan Subject: Re: Midnight Cowboy -- what's the real story? Phil M. wrote: > I have heard that the Velvet Underground were > invited to be the group playing in the party scene I've heard so many stories over the years about songs that were supposed to be used in this movie, and bands that were supposed to appear in it -- Joey Stec once told me that his "I Don't Know How to Say Goodbye" (co-written with Lee Mallory) was supposed to be used in the movie. On their Japan 2003 CD, he introduces it as "this one's on the soundtrack to Midnight Cowboy" ... (?) I've read/heard that Bob Dylan's "Lay Lady Lay" was also written/ recorded for the movie too, but missed the deadline, which led to them using Harry Nilsson's ''Everybody's Talkin'" (by Fred Neil). Seems like there's a lot of stories out there about this one, and I'm not quite sure what to believe, what's real and what is simply wishful thinking. Does anyone know if there's a *definitive* story somewhere (online hopefully) about the music supervision/music scoring for this movie? Thanks! Bryan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:30:53 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: The Golden Lost Phil Hall wrote: > While doing a little Internet research on The Groop, I ran across > an obscure but interesting-looking CD called "The Golden Lost". > Hello Phil, This looks like a terrific CD. I do have several of the songs on it and they are all great -- for instance, "Jack" by World of Oz (an English soft-psych group) is a nice tune, although I like the flip side, "King Croesus", even more. Also have "Chelsea Morning" by Jennifer (Warnes). This is one of her singles on the Parrot label, from the late sixties -- her best work by far, in my opinion. Again, this song's flip, titled "The Park", is even better. And of course "Montage" by Picardy is wonderful. Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:50:24 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: The Groop/Midnight Cowboy P.A. Ferra wrote: > Question for you (or anyone else who may know this): > There must have been at least two bands that went by the name "The > Groop". Do you know which band they were referring to? The American > Groop or the Aussie one? Hello P.A., The Groop on the "Midnight Cowboy" soundtrack is an American band, and included Aileen Thomas. I spoke with her via e-mail several years ago, and she very graciously gave me a little bit of info on her career with the band, expressing surprise that I was interested in such an obscure group! I have a copy of a Groop 45 on United Artists and was trying to research it and so came across Aileen's website. By the way, her husband is Elkin Thomas, of the group the Avant Garde, who had the big hit (in the U.S.) "Naturally Stoned". His bandmate in that band and lead singer on "Naturally Stoned" was future game show host Chuck Woolery. If my memory serves me right, the Groop had two male and two female members. One question I have that maybe someone can answer -- is the Midnight Cowboy Groop the same band that had an LP on Bell Records circa 1968? Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:50:09 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Appy Together This may be old news, but "That Alan" and others may be pleased to know that Applebees, one of America's favorite restaurant chains, is using "Happy Together" in a current TV commercial. Di la, Rashkovksy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:34:15 -0600 From: Orion Subject: Re: SH not HP Dan Hughes wrote: > I seem to remember Hit Parader being heavier on articles and features, > Song Hits being thinner with not as much extraneous stuff. But they both > sure enough gave us LYRICS to sing in the tub, much to Mom's chagrin! Does anyone remember "eye" magazine? It lasted 15 issues, I think. I own a copy of all of them, they have some interesting articles, pictures and sniplets about singers, groups, etc. from the era of 1968. Although it was aimed at the psychedelic crowd, it does have some other music stuff in it. Orion -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:41:04 +1100 From: Peter McCray Subject: Re: Tribute by Horizon!! Artie Wayne: > Thanks to my friend Allan Rinde, the world [or at least a couple > of interested Spectropoppers] can hear the record I produced by > Horizon, a "tribute" to the late Brian Jones, which Neil Bogart > bought over the phone. Loved it, Artie -- way over the top and all the better for it! A pity that it didn't make a real impact at the time -- there's an awful lot of creativity crammed into that 3 minutes 40 secs. Thanks very much for tracking it down for us Spectropoppers. Best wishes, Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:29:15 -0000 From: Peter Lerner Subject: Re: Tony Rossini Julio asked about Tony Rossini. Up until recently Tony had his own website under the name of Rossini Entertainment. It seems to have disapppeared now, but it told of his later career, which included a spell with Toni and Terri & The Pirates in the mid-60s, recording, for the Monument label, such gems as a cover of the Beatles' "For No One" (Monument 979). The interesting part for me was that Terri was an early incarnation of the songwriter Donna Weiss, who wrote songs in the '70s with Jackie DeShannon, including "Bette Davis Eyes". Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:34:35 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Links to Ed Rambeau, Mark Wirtz & Artie Wayne / "Here My Dear" Ed Rambeau sent the Diane Renay Video clips from the Old-Time Radio Convention (Sept. 2002 in NJ): I must say tell you how much I enjoyed being there for the event -- the clips capture a good part of the excitement and warm feelings in the room. Thanks for sharing them, Ed. Mark Wirtz points to a new Ladybirds' track: It's got a nice feel to it, Mark. I'd never heard of Mood Mosaic before this thread. Artie Wayne wrote: > Thanks to my friend Allan Rinde, the world [or at least a > couple of interested Spectropoppers] can hear the record I > produced by Horizon, a "tribute" to the late Brian Jones, > which Neil Bogart bought over the phone: > Pretty nifty, Artie. It sounds like everyone had a bunch of fun with it. Thanks for posting it! Me, earlier: > ... I don't think anyone purposely sets out to make a bomb Phil M.: > Then there is Marvin Gaye's "Here My Dear," the story of > which someone else could probably tell better (and more > accurately) than I. I'm curious; could someone please step to the fore on this? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:42:26 -0000 From: Jim Shannon Subject: Re: Carl Wayne/The Move I sent a dispatch yesterday on the talented Carl Wayne, one of the original members of The Move, about their song called "Blackberry Way", which I believe was their second or third single. Does anyone recall if this song was released in the U.S.? "Blackberry" was a catchy little song, and got considerable play on progressive stations in the late sixties. I know it was released on Deram in the U.K., as the follow-up to "Night of Fear". Jim Shannon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:16:22 -0000 From: Bob Celli Subject: Re: Shindig: live or Memorex? Ed Rambeau wrote: > The vocals were all live. The track was pre-recorded. The background > singers were on the track. And the shirt is gone forever. You mentioned the Blossoms and the Wellingtons on the actual Shindig performance, but my question is did they participate in the backing track session also? Some years ago Bobby Vee sent me a tape of the backing track from a Shindig appearance in which he did a song called "Cross My Heart". The Blossoms and the Wellingtons were included in the video I have of the performance. The backing track also contains Bobby's harmony vocal. I would guess he did a scratch vocal at the session, added the overdub and then removed the scratch vocal. Does that sound like the process that would have been used? Bob Celli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:51:49 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Witches & The Warlock Mark wrote: > Does anyone know anything about Witches & The Warlock? > I just discovered one of their singles on the Sew City label. > Very Supremes sounding. If Detroit can be the Motor City, New York's garment district can be Sew City: so thought label owner Matt Parsons. History shows the public didn't make the connection, but as you say, the Witches & Warlock left behind some pretty good music. The "lead witch" was named Glenda (the good witch?), who got the gig through a connection with Enoch Gregory, the Dixie Drifter (one of NY's hottest d.j.'s). The Warlock's name was Ray. Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:16:42 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: SH not HP Mike McKay wrote: > This is correct. Song Hits was mostly lyrics with a few brief > articles thrown in. Hit Parader had longer, more in-depth > articles. Hello Mike, I've got about 14 issues of Hit Parader and its sister publication Song Hits dating from 1966 to 1971, with the majority from '66 to '68. These magazines are indeed a treasure trove of information about the music of the era. One thing I love about these magazines is that they don't take themselves too seriously, and they cover an amazing list of artists from all different categories of pop, soul, rock, country, and easy listening. I especially like that these magazines covered artists who are rarely mentioned in publications even today, as well as candid comments from musicians and great record reviews. For instance, Hit Parader had a section where musicians discussed their favorite songs and music. Interestingly, Neil Diamond cites James Ray as an influence. Also have two interesting Left Banke interviews, one from 1966 with Michael Brown and one from 1967 without him. In the second interview neither the interviewer nor the group mentions that Michael is gone from the lineup! One thing that's easy to gauge is the popularity of The Monkees in this era. They had by far more featured magazine covers than any other act, at least in the issues I've got. Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:19:31 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: b/w + c/w = TSW I agree with both explanations of "c/w" and "b/w", but my favorite is "TSW", coined by one of my all time fave DJs, Dex Card of WLS, in Chicago in the mid-'60s. "TSW" meant "Two Sided Winner"! The way I figured it, if there was a reason to mention the "c/w" or "b/w" side at all, I'd just as soon call it a "TSW" or it wasn't worth mentioning anyway, right? ......what did I just say?? Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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