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Spectropop - Digest Number 1370

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. "Muddied" Waters
           From: Steve Harvey 
      2. "Closer To The Aisle"
           From: suddyb2000 
      3. Re: Scott English
           From: Ed Salamon 
      4. Out In The Streets
           From: Sean 
      5. Re: I went looking for a jingle -- from clear cola to linguini to Barbra
           From: Jon Adelson 
      6. Scott English Brandy
           From: Phil C 
      7. Re: Trude Heller
           From: Al Kooper 
      8. Scott English & other questions
           From: Bob Rashkow 
      9. Re: Scott English
           From: Artie Wayne 
     10. Smile Show photos
           From: Harvey Williams 
     11. Re: Rising Sons
           From: Al Kooper 
     12. Re: New Leaders Of The Pack girl group CD
           From: Mikey 
     13. The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul
           From: Simon White 
     14. Re: Jerry Naylor, Skyla/Raystar Records
           From: Mikey 
     15. Re: Female record collectors
           From: Paul Bryant 
     16. Re: UK Smile
           From: Al Kooper 
     17. Teddy & The Pandas
           From: Various 
     18. Re: Scott English Brandy
           From: Phil C 
     19. Re: Jerry Naylor/City Lights
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     20. Archie LP pre-Archies?
           From: Mark Hill 
     21. Tony Rossini
           From: Julio Niño 
     22. Re: Adam Wade
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     23. Re: Simon & Garfunkel sessioneers (Knechtel?)
           From: Eddy Smit 
     24. Re: Trude/y Heller
           From: Alan Gordon 
     25. The Groop
           From: Phil Hall 

Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:07:38 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: "Muddied" Waters Al Kooper: > previously: He revealed to me that he was NOT the > selector of records for his movies; a close friend did > the choosing. That's is a bringdown. I am not that big a fan of his films, but I loved the selection of tunes on that Hippo release of his movie music. I figured he was a true Baltimorian when he put Link Wray's tune in his film. His friend is definitely hip. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:26:29 -0000 From: suddyb2000 Subject: "Closer To The Aisle" Does anyone know of a version of "Closer To The Aisle" other than the one by the 5 Satins ? Around 25 years ago John Peel played a deep soul cover on his show. I taped it and have always loved it without ever knowing who it was by. Unfortunately, I have lost the tape and have been unable to track it down. For some reason the Escorts and the Esquires seem to ring a bell in my mind. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:02:31 -0000 From: Ed Salamon Subject: Re: Scott English Art Longmire: > I'm sure some of the other Spectropoppers will know more about > Scott English...I'm curious about his career as well. Henry DeLuca, who produced the Doo Wop and other shows for PBS with TJ Lubinsky, and I tried without success to get Scott to come over from England, where he now lives, to do Henry's annual "Roots Of Rock and Roll" concert this weekend. "High On A Hill" is huge in my hometown of Pittsburgh, but Scott has never appeared there so this would be a big deal. Henry met with Scott last summer when Henry was in England taping Gerry and The Pacemakers (and another act, I think) for a PBS show. Scott has some health issues this year that prevented him from coming, but I'm hoping that he will confirm for next year. I'm going to email Scott the S'pop link and let him know we're talking about him, maybe he'll post. Ed Salamon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:58:40 -0000 From: Sean Subject: Out In The Streets Have a question about Out in the Streets--was Betty Weiss on this song? The only song I know of that she wasn't on with the Shangs was "Great Big Kiss". And also was Marge out of the group by the time they did He Cried, Past Present Future, Sweet Sounds? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:43:04 -0000 From: Jon Adelson Subject: Re: I went looking for a jingle -- from clear cola to linguini to Barbra Alan Gordon wrote: > I mean imagine seeing in the flesh a Mr. Chrysler, ir Mr Dell > or Mr Pillsbury. However...while Mr. Chrysler gets us from here to there, and Mr. Dell helps us use up our spare time, and Mr. Pillsbury gets us fat, Mr. So Happy Together generates smiles and warm fuzzies. Jon Adelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:58:17 -0000 From: Phil C Subject: Scott English Brandy "Brandy" was a hit in the UK, on George Harrison's 'Horse' label, and rather good it is too. As musica is full, it's available for a while at Meanwhile, here's some related info... and no, "Brandy" was not originally written about his dog. Scott English ['Brandy' songwriter]: "it's funny how I knew 'Brandy' would be a world beater from the moment Richard Kerr [the other songwriter] and I wrote it at a neighbour's house on an out of tune piano in London on a rainy Tuesday in 1971. When Barry [Manilow] was given the song by Clive [Davis], he learned it slowly on the piano. it seemed easier for Barry to play it slow. Barry learned it (up-tempo, the way the song was written) and recorded a demo for Clive. Clive Davis, the Bell records exec, as well as Ron Dante, Barry's producer, HATED IT! they all felt it just sounded "wrong". Barry then told them that when he was learning the song, he also learned how to play the song as a ballad. Barry played "Brandy" as a ballad - and THEY ALL loved it. Clive said "yes, that's it"!!! The previous year, 'Looking Glass' charted with a major U.S. hit called "Brandy, you're a fine girl". to eliminate confusion, Barry and Clive decided to change the name of the song to "Mandy", since there was never a hit with that title. Scott English: "people often ask me if "Brandy" was written about a dog. It was NOT, but I know how that story began. During the year I had my 8 minutes of fame with my own rendition of "Brandy" (in the UK), I was awakened at 7 AM by a reporter. He wanted to know WHO brandy was. I would have said anything to get rid of him, so I spat out the first thing that came to mind. It was about a dog like Lassie and I had her sent away. NOW YOU GO AWAY!, I said, and then hung up the phone on him! I guess I'll have to live with that story". Manilow credits his career to "Mandy". Barry: "never in my wildest dreams could I have ever imagined what happened. It still stuns me to think about it". For further info: PC -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:38:47 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Trude Heller Jeff Lemlich: > Can someone please tell me the correct spelling of > Trude Heller's name (and her club of the same name)? Trude, it is..... I worked many nights in that joint - No dressing room; one changed in the kitchen where the famous African American percussionist Candido often slept after hours. Her son Joel owned a club down the street called The Eighth Wonder. Hope this helps! Al Kooper Played every upholstered sewer in NYC 1960-64 -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:49:30 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Scott English & other questions Every so often I notice that Scott English and Larry Weiss wrote a great pop tune contained on a group or individual artists' album I have. Scott E was another pop legend who was multi-talented. Great voice, great penning ability. I'd be willing to bet his "Brandy", still unheard by me, has Manilow's "Mandy" over a barrel or two. Did he ever meet Scott Engel aka Scott Walker? :--)) Questions without answers, did another Scott, Scott Garrett, have anything to do with The Mystics ("Hush-A-Bye"). He did a wonderful record called "Love Story" around '60 or '61. Could he have been their lead singer? Mixed-up, shook-up guy known as Bobster! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:28:51 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Scott English Jim......Art......How ya' doin'? Scott English was a good friend of mine.......and one of my fiercest publishing competitors. He co-wrote "Bend me, Shape me" with Larry Weiss, "Hi Ho Silver Lining", as well as "Brandy" with Richard Kerr. Since Looking Glass just had a big hit in the U.S. on a song with that title, Clive Davis, head of Barry Manilows record label suggested a title change. regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:03:32 -0000 From: Harvey Williams Subject: Smile Show photos If anyone's interested, I've been posting photos of the Smile shows up on I'm sure I'll be posting more as the concerts progress. Comments welcome! The shows have, of course, been absolutely stunning, everything I expected them to be and so much more. I've yet to hear or read a single negative word about them. HarveyW -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:30:55 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Rising Sons Stephane Rebeschini: > The former Rising Sons member Jesse Lee Kincaid has his > own website and is still working in the music biz..... When was this person in The Rising Sons ????? Is this a pseudonym for Jesse Ed Davis, notable guitarist besides Ry Cooder in The Rising Sons? Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:58:39 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: New Leaders Of The Pack girl group CD Is that the same track listing as the "Growing Up Too Fast" set from the mid 90s? Even if it is, lets hope they severly upgrade the sound quality. The sound on that 1995 version was pretty abysmal. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 06:51:42 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul SUNDAY 12th October 2003 on SOUL24-7 THE METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW. AT 2pm - 4pm GMT This week -- OUR SPECIAL GUEST - JAZZMANS RECORD'S KYM FULLER. You go down the discotheque, to watch her shing - a - ling, you stand there stoned and can't beleive how she swings, she's a sexable mover, you came to see her dance.... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:42:11 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Jerry Naylor, Skyla/Raystar Records Thank you Bob Celli for the info on "The City Lights". What a great record. Took me over 4 years to find a copy of that!! cost me 150$ (ouch) but it is, as Jerry says, a really high priced collector item. I really dig that song. Funny story.........just two weeks adgo, I went to LIC to look at an apt for sale. Guess that the name of the complex was? City Lights!!! Absolutely true story!! Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:59:40 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Female record collectors Paul Bryant: Yeah Mike but we all used to be young hunky record collectors, and there still weren't any gals we could talk about Stax B-sides with. P A Ferra : Paul - maybe we did want to talk about things like Otis & Carla flipsides, but you guys were too shy to ask :) Me again : This is therefore one of life's ironies - now I'm no longer shy I'm no longer svelte! pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:19:35 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: UK Smile Paul Bryant: > Just curious - what do American fans think of big Brian > doing Smile in the UK before the USA? Maybe he's warming up for the big US tour ????????? AK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:04:08 -0000 From: Various Subject: Teddy & The Pandas Jim Shannon: > This could be a hard find, but I would like to include the Teddy > and Pandas' pop song "Once Upon a Time" in the reconstruction > of my music library. I believe it was released in the summer of > '66 or maybe '67. A forgotten 45 for sure. believe they were a > Boston home grown band. For that matter, I still need Orpheus > "Can't Find the Time" as well. > > Still on the subject of garage bands, anyone know the real > reason Wand re-issued Kingmen "Louie Louie, '64.'65, '66. It's > original release was in '63 so that makes four consecutive years > in a row. Jim, Not hard to find at all! You can find the Pandas' "Once Upon a Time" single occasionally available on eBay. Also, If you go to their web site , , you'll find they have several CDs available there exclusively ( I know 'cause I'm the webmaster). Yes, they were from the Boston area. Varese Saraband records offers a "Very Best of Orpheus " that is still in print and available on line from the likes of CD Universe. Orpheus was also from the Boston area. Bob Wallis = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = You can get it on CD at > ... I still need Orpheus "Can't Find the Time" as well. The 45 version of "Can't Find The Time" was available on CD on "Dick Bartley Presents: On The Radio, Vol. 4" on Varese Vintage, however the CD is now out-of-print. Rat Pfink = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Jim, I believe Teddy & the Pandas have a Cd out with their great "Once Upon a Time" on it. Another gem SPopper Doug Richard turned me on to years ago. The Orpheus track is on Cds too numerous to mention. If you can't get them, email me off line and I'll see what I can do. As for "Louie 66", I present several possibilities. One, it was released to capitalize on the Sandpipers' 66 version? Wrong. The Kingsmen made the chart in June, 66--Sandpipers October. It was reissued in 66 to capitalize on how Dot reissued "Wipe Out" in 66 and it made the top 20. Wrong. "Wipe Out" reissue was possibly due to the Kingsmen situation, as "Wipe Out 66" came out a month later. (Dot tried later in year again with "Sugar Shack" too!). Most likely it was because the Kingsmen were still a huge draw live and that song just never faded as they toured. Tho a hit over Christmas 63 and New Years 64, it has become more a summer song to me and it was #1 summer of 65 on KOMA Oklahoma City and huge in summer 66 in many markets. It just fit well in the summer on radio then, I think. Also, the song just had a staying power. It was recorded by everyone, it seemed. Why not make more money off it? Heck it was on charts at the same time as new Kingsmen 45s. No wonder it was had to have a hit again after 65. Then, there was the Lyrics thing. "Can you hear a word here or there?" There were 2 Kingsmen bands besides. Original "Louie" lead singer, Jack Eely and his Courtmen (changed after a court ruling) as well as the new Kingsmen band--both touring and on TV doing the song. Jack Eely released a new version on Bang as well. Bottom line, "Louie" was the ultimate garage 45 thru 66 during the height of "garagemania". Clark Besch -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:14:52 -0000 From: Phil C Subject: Re: Scott English Brandy Me: > "Brandy" was a hit in the UK, on George Harrison's > 'Horse'label, OK - strike that from the record! It was a hit, but it looks like I backed the wrong 'Horse'. George's label was, of course 'Dark Horse'. I must get some new glasses. PC -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:58:31 -0000 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: Jerry Naylor/City Lights Mikey wrote: > Yes, Jerry did talk about "City Lights. We mentioned that the > record was a highly prized collectors item and asked him if he > could recall the session for the song being special. He replied: Is this THE "City Lights". as recorded by Petula Clark? And is this THE Jerry Naylor, who was lead singer with The Crickets in 1962/3 as featured on the back of my " Something Old, Something New, Something Blue, Something Else! LP by the Crickets? Ther e is a Glen Harding also in the group at that time -- would it be far -fetched of me to presume he went on to be Glen D. Hardin, who took charge of Mr Presley's on-stage accompaniment in later years? Bear with me a while as I quote a passage from the liner notes: "Glen Harding demonstrates 'hand-is-faster-than-the-eye' capabilities in playing, at the same time, both the piano and the Fender Rhodes 'piano-bass', a new type of instrument invented by Harold Rhodes, a friend of The Crickets. Singer Jerry Naylor displays his unique versatility in delivering a vocal style that completes that package of entertaining talent wrapped up in quartet Cricket fashion". They just don't write 'em like that no more!! Apologies to Mr Curtis & Mr Allison. Ken On The West Coast. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:03:05 -0500 From: Mark Hill Subject: Archie LP pre-Archies? I just got this strange LP from eBay: ARCHIE- Idol-Ness In Riverdale (TIFTON 78006) Book Music And Lyrics by Beau Clayton and Raol Alland. Songs: Gargoyles, What Do You Do?, How, Friday Afternoon, Anticipation, Rainbow In My Tears. (In between each song, it says, "Comedy Talk") The back cover has just a head shot of Archie and no other printing. It's on the Tifton label. The only other LP I know of on Tifton was Batman by The Fabulous Guitars Of Dan And Dale. One of my first record albums as a kid. (Probably a *lot* of 60s Kids 1st record.) And there are some ethnic music LPs on Tifton. If you are familiar with the Batman LP -- recently re-issued on CD -- there were some big names involved. Who knows if this LP might have a similar pedigree? Spectropop member Al Kooper played on the Batman LP. Hey Al, you know anything about this one or the Tifton label? Was there any other pop music on Tifton? I searched the net for any info on Beau Clayton and Raol Alland. ZERO! I'm guessing they don't exist/Are fake names. Just wonder when it's from? There's nothing on the net about this LP or the Tifton label. Other than what little info I mentioned. In all my years of collecting, I never knew about this Archie LP. Took a listen to the LP. The music sound early to mid 60s. The Archie gang refer to their group as The Wonders. Big Ethel (!) has just dumped Archie for someone in a rival music group, "The Gargoyles". Did they even read the comics? One female voice sounds familiar. Kind of a nasal accent, like Little Nell in Rocky Horror. But nothing else. All the songs sound like bad, bad 60s girl groups. With the voices lost in the mix. The Archie LP songs indeed sound like if you wrote your own songs for a high school musical. Oh, it's bad. Sample: Ethel speaks: "How can I make him believe me?..." Then the grating girl group songs start... (Imagine this as *annoying as possible*.) "HOW? Oh, HOW? Oh HOW? HOW can I show him?" "HOW? Oh, HOW? Oh HOW? HOW can I show him?" Oh well... an Archie rarity. Pointing to a musical Archies before the Kirschner era. It would be interesting to find out how this came about and who was involved in the recording. Though certainly not the first media depiction of Archie before the 60s Don Kirschner produced cartoon. There was an Archie radio show in the 40s? (You can get them all on one MP3 CD-R online.) And several mediocre TV pilots -- at least one try in each decade from the 50s to the 90s? "Dr. Mark" Hill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:59:09 -0000 From: Julio Niño Subject: Tony Rossini Hola Everybody. Today it´s been snowing in Madrid ( which is rather infrequent), that has made me happy for some minutes. I love simple emotions like that. Another simple emotion I´ve experienced this week has been listening to two songs by Tony Rosssini, "Well I Ask You" and "(Meet Me) After School". Both songs were issued by Sun in the early sixties, and both are included in the gorgeous compilation "Midnight Crying Time" (a collection of tracks with more necrophilia than the complete works of Poe). I love the voice of a child delinquent Tony had in those recordings. I've added him to my personal group of teen and pre-teen idols. Could anybody please inform me about Tony? Thanks, Julio Niño. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:47:34 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Adam Wade Clark Besch wrote: > Also, I need some help on Adam Wade's new Collectables CD. It's got > some 20 songs including B side "Point of No Return", which a friend > has been looking for on CD. > Does it have "Julie On My Mind"? if so, where can I obtain the CD? Di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:48:12 +0100 From: Eddy Smit Subject: Re: Simon & Garfunkel sessioneers (Knechtel?) Frank wrote: > But to be honest I found no data on both the original LP and the > double CD box "Old Friends" from Columbia Legacy to verify the > recording studio. The Old Friends box is indeed extremely disappointing in that respect. But the notes do say that the basic track of Cecilia was recorded in LA, in "Harrison's old digs on Blue Jay Way", with Eddie Simon (Paul's brother) on piano and Stu Scharf on guitar. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:24:16 -0700 (MST) From: Alan Gordon Subject: Re: Trude/y Heller I stand corrected (again). If Al Kooper says Trude is spelled with an E, that's good enough for me. Best, That alleY -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:28:58 -0000 From: Phil Hall Subject: The Groop Does anyone remember The Groop? They had a minor hit with "The Jet Song", plus they performed a couple of songs in the movie "Midnight Cowboy". I've searched the internet pretty thoroughly, and information about them is scarce. Does anyone know any more about them? Phil Hall -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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