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Spectropop - Digest Number 1364



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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Doris Troy; SGC; Mr. Bassmen; 1650 Broadway; Ann-Margret
           From: Country aul 
      2. Clusters; Plymouth Rockers and Addrisi Bros.; thanks; short stuff
           From: Country Paul 
      3. Burt Bacharach & Hal David's first production
           From: Mick Patrick 
      4. Just One Look
           From: Phil C 
      5. Re: The Diplomats, Van McCoy and a Psychiatrist
           From: Mark 
      6. Re: "I Wonder What She's Doin..."
           From: Paul Levinson 
      7. Re: AK, producer
           From: Al Kooper 
      8. Astors and More For Art
           From: Mark 
      9. Re: Children - Robert John
           From: Al Kooper 
     10. Re: The Diplomats
           From: James Botticelli 
     11. Re: The Del Vikings/Ali Baba /Bonzo Dog Band
           From: Chris 
     12. Re: Chad & Jeremy reissues
           From: S.J. Dibai 
     13. Re: Alzo Fronte Radio Spotlight Show
           From: Jim Shannon 
     14. Re: BlueBeats / Movies
           From: Jim Shannon 
     15. Re: Valiant
           From: Frank J 
     16. Re: Bobby Freeman
           From: Eddy 


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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:16:19 -0500 From: Country aul Subject: Doris Troy; SGC; Mr. Bassmen; 1650 Broadway; Ann-Margret John Clemente and Mick Patrick, thank you for the posts regarding Doris Troy's passing. Ady Croasdell's and David Nathan's tributes are both touching and informative; I had been unaware of the depth of her contributions and the lack of commensurate awareness by most of the public. ACJ: > There was, in the mid- to late-Sixties, a label called SGC > Records, which is best remembered today for singles by Todd > Rundgren's early group, the Nazz. Did SGC, perchance, stand > for Screen Gems-Columbia? Yes. Me, earlier:: > I was impressed at how Johnny Cymbal did bass-like parts > in his tenor range; I thought that kind of counterpoint > was going to show up in more hit records after that, > but it never did. Mike Rashkow: > CP, surely you jest. That was Ronnie Bright I think. But, I > have heard John do the song solo several times and he does a > reasonable job of jumping octaves. Al Kooper: > I think I mentiooned b4 that the bass part on the Johnny Cymbal > record AND the Greg Howard record was Ronnie Bright, who sang > with The Cadillacs at the time and was well known as a profundo > basso around 1650 B'way, the REAL Brill Building... My reference was to where they sing together, *two* bassmen riffing together being somewhat unique. There was also a great instance of a double falsetto: "Bong Bong" by Vince Castro (Apt, 1959, I think - check the fade). And Al, 1650 was indeed a magic place. When I was first music directing (for WBRU), I used to ramble through the hallways, knocking on doors of the indies and bringing back the latest releases from so many indie labels who names I both remember - Lido, Gametime, Double L, early Dimension (I believe), and later Casablanca - and so many more I now forget. You could program an entire oldies station out of 1650 without ever going across the street to 1619. Laura Pinto: > ....Ann-Margret's "Lost Love" on the A-M box set....an audio > sample of that particular track[:]... http://tinyurl.com/36q8y Thanks, Laura; very interesting, although the vocal part sounds like a bit of a forced overlay on a great instrumental - not A-M's fault, as she handles the awkwardness quite credibly. Hmmm - talented, smart and beautiful - a lethal combination! Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 02:11:18 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Clusters; Plymouth Rockers and Addrisi Bros.; thanks; short stuff Al Kooper: > So Mick, ANYONE - any chance of a copy of any magnitude of > "A Tear For Tommy" Phil Chapman: > We'll get there, eventually... latest info is that it is by > Linda Lawrence & The Cluster.... I'm curious about '& The > Cluster': there are some slightly suspect male backing-vocals > with a falsetto in Theremin style.... That would properly be The Clusters, who did "Darling Can't You Tell" (Tee Gee, 1958) that Al and I were raving over a few months ago. (It's my all-time favorite uptempo doo-wop - Arlene Smith of the Chantels does a duet lead.) I hadn't realized they'd done backups later. Jules Normington, re: Valiant Records: > a couple of killers by the Plymouth Rockers ("Don't Say > Why" 's a fuzz-laden folkrock winner written by Don & Dick > ...ummm.. the Addrissi Brothers that is...who I'm pretty sure > started their OWN recording career on Valiant...correct me... I have the Plymouth Rockers' "Brown-Eyed Handsome Man" - a credible job for white guys! :-) The Addrissis started on Del-Fi - I don't know if "Cherrystone"/"Lilies Grow High" is their first, but it's a good'un. Jules, you mention girl groups> One of the finest one-shots is on Valiant, "I Still Love Him," by the Joys (and the instrumental track ont he flip); wonderfully Spectorian. Thanks to: - Eddy for the Bobby Freeman on King info. Has that work ever been collected on LP or CD? - Austin Powell for the Larry Hall info; I believe the songs you mentioned are collected on the CD I mentioned earlier available at Collectibles (no bio of any note there, though). - Jan Kristensen for the Larry Hall album listing. Short stuff: John Sellars: > Am I the only person who thinks [Clarence Palmer] sounds like > Louis Prima? Now that you mention it...I agree. Austin Roberts, Mars Bonfire is a neat name - but not a real one. John Kay told me what it really was once, but I've since forgotten. Wow - I've caught up! (Break out the champagne!!) Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:57:09 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Burt Bacharach & Hal David's first production I asked: > ... what was the first disc to bear the legend "Produced > by Bacharach and David"? Mike Rashkow: > Phil, I'll pass this easy slam-dunk to you. Show 'em what > you got, son. Phil Milstein: > I'm guessing Moondog's legendary microtonal rendition of > "Walk On By." For the record, the disc concerned is: The Rangoons "Moon Guitar" / "My Heart Is A Ball Of String" (Laurie 3096, June 1961). Both written by Burt Bacharach & Hal David, and produced by Bacharach & David. The two songs are instrumentals, which, given that Hal David was a lyricist, renders me a little curious about the songwriting credits. Maybe vocal versions exist? Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:30:42 -0000 From: Phil C Subject: Just One Look Artie Wayne: > Artie [Ripp], barely able to contain himself, then invites > us in to listen to Doris Troy put the last harmony part on > "Just One Look".....an experience I'll never forget!! Rashkovsky: > When working at Sounds On Broadway, I did a demo session for > Doris Troy. I'm pretty sure it was the first time I had ever > seen Chuck Rainey, Cornell Dupree or Richard Tee in a studio. I loved the style of her first three Atlantic releases. Really distinctive keyboad and guitar work. "Just One Look" itself always stood out to me as sounding different from the others in that the drums are right up front and played with brushes, giving it a chunky, seductive feel. The line-up sounds the same, but as it appears that JOL was originally presented as a demo, I wonder if they used the same team to record the rest? Phil C PS - I did countless sessions with Doris (and Jimmy Helms) in the 70s, mainly Kelloggs' jingles ("Pour Out The Sunshine" series). She had a big voice, big heart, very professional and loved to tell a good story. R.I.P. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 05:17:43 GMT From: Mark Subject: Re: The Diplomats, Van McCoy and a Psychiatrist Hi Julio! There's absolutely nothing wrong with you--Van probably had a hand in that great unreleased Diplomats track. He certainly was familiar with the group--he'd arranged their previous singles for the Arock label and also wrote a couple of those songs. If you haven't heard the Arock singles, you're in for a real treat. "Here's a Heart" is just incredible, a super sublime soul ballad that grows on you with repeated listens. Another of their Arock records, "Cards on the Table", is now selling for silly money (triple figures) in the UK. I was just listening to the UK Kent CD "Living the Night Life", with their great song "Love Ain't What It Used to Be"-- unfortunately, I can't tell you off-hand whether Van had a hand in this one or not. I think he did, and maybe was involved with their later sides as well. Mick--the Kent LP in question was "Soul Serenade" (Kent 41) and the song is definitely titled "Can't Get You Off My Mind". I had this LP on a tape (thanks to a contact I was trading tapes with), but unfortunately it unraveled. Nice to know that Kent is putting out a Diplomats CD--will it have their great side "My Sweet Baby" (which they recorded as the Four Puzzles)? Best, Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 21:38:00 -0000 From: Paul Levinson Subject: Re: "I Wonder What She's Doin..." Bob Rashkow wrote: > Barry DeVorzon and Bodie Chandler's glorious "I Wonder What She's > Doing Tonight"--a spine-tingler of a tune. A true 1963 relic which > climbed the charts at the time of JFK's assassination......& not to > dredge up an ancient fossil, but I'm still "wondering" if anyone > knows of Boyce & Hart trying to obliterate Barry's triumph by > writing and performing another successful song with the same name, > or can we pretty much say that it was just another strange 6Ts pop > coincidence!!! Agree completely that the Tamerlanes' record is a haunting gem, and the Boyce and Hart different song with the same name is an irritation, whatever its motivations, and whatever its merits. The problem stems from a blindspot in the copyright laws, which say that a title cannot be protected. This has caused aggravation in just about every creative field, ranging from music to novels to movies. All best, (City) Paul http://www.sff.net/people/paullevinson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:57:42 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: AK, producer Alan Gordon: > Al Kooper, I know you are jesting when refering to BMI > performances etc. I am not jesting when I tell you that > if my old group the Magicians were lucky enough to have > you as a producer we would not have disappeared. You have > been a real guidepost to all of us in the rough and tumble > world of rock n roll, and someone who I really respect. Aw.....shucks I'm blushing. I remember those Magicians, Jake singing lead, correct? Are you still writing? AK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 05:08:58 GMT From: Mark Subject: Astors and More For Art Hi Art! If you really like the Astors' music, you need to get your hands on the 9 CD Complete Stax/Volt Singles box set. This box contains four Astors songs off their singles, plus their first single recorded for Satellite (the forerunner of Stax) as the Chips. They started out as backing singers for Jerry Lee Lewis at Sun, as the Dontinos. The members were lead singer Curtis Johnson, Sam Byrnes, Richard Griffin and Eddie Stanbeck. They moved to Buffalo for a short time, but found themselves at Stax thanks to Sam Byrnes dating Stax star Carla Thomas. Chips Moman changed their name to the Chips for the Satellite recording, but since there was another Chips at that time, they became the Astors (after the famous New York hotel) for their second single, "Just Enough to Hurt Me"/"What Can It Be", two years later. Johnson had been drafted, accounting for the delay. That first single is the hardest of their records to find, but it exemplifies their sound more than anything. They were more of a doo-wop sounding act than a Memphis sounding act. "Candy" followed in May 1965 for their only pop chart hit (#63), and that was followed by one of the oddest records ever issued by Stax/Volt, "In the Twilight Zone", with its weird sound effects and unintelligible vocals. It still became a favorite on the Northern soul scene, as did "Candy". A couple of more years passed before their final Stax single in September of 1967, "Daddy Didn't Tell Me"/"More Power to You", which Curtis Johnson felt that Estelle Axton had to lobby to have released. The Stax box has "What Can It Be", "Candy", "Twilight Zone" and "Daddy Didn't Tell Me" plus the Chips tune. I think that there are some unissued Astors on the British CDs on UK Stax/Ace (1000 Volts of Stax and the subsequent followup discs being the UK CDs in question). Needless to say, the Stax box also contains a good sampling of Mad Lads as well. And while I have your attention, I need to ask a favor of you. You mentioned a single on Amy a while back by the Innervision or Innersection or something like that entitled "Your Time is Gonna Come". It was written or produced by Ellie Greenwich, so I guess it's good (never heard it). Anyhow, if you have the 45 handy, could you possibly give me the matrix numbers from the label for my A/M/B database (the four digit number, probably beginning with a 6 or 7--needed for both sides)--off-list please? Thanks in advance. Best, Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:54:23 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Children - Robert John previously: > Children - Robert John (Columbia 44639) Produced by Al Kooper! > Like the cool phasing (?) at end. Would that be "Children In The Making"? I did not produce that. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:19:03 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: The Diplomats Mick Patrick wrote: > The Diplomats will be performing in the UK in a few months > time. By then they'll have their own CD out on Kent/Ace, I hear. There is a Diplomats' anthology out on Collectables (sic). I have it. Not a terrible remastering job, but certainly not Ace-Kent material. Feeble liners too. James Botticelli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 08:19:46 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: The Del Vikings/Ali Baba /Bonzo Dog Band Country Paul on The Del Vikings: > some nice instrumental support, good lead work by > Kripp Johnson, and some neat bass singing > ("Ali Baba-nooski, Ali Baba-noo...") Yes, but did you ever hear Bonzo Dog's version of "Ali Baba's Camel" (on "Tadpoles")? *Very* '60s, especially the into in which Stanshall (I believe) sings: "You've heard of Ali Baba? "Forty thieves had he; "After what we all want, "Lots of LSD ..." Somehow I don't think that the original author of "Me and My Girl", Noel Gay, had quite the same thing in mind ... "Oh, How The Camel Loved Ali Baba [SLURP!]", Chris -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:21:26 -0000 From: S.J. Dibai Subject: Re: Chad & Jeremy reissues Hola, Spectropoppers. Jim: The Sundazed reissue of C&J's "Before and After" album is excellent. You can read my Amazon.com review of it if you'd like: http://tinyurl.com/2nec9 Click on my name and you'll see other C&J reviews I've written, should you be on the hunt for more reissues. Jim and Clark: My e-friend Frank Jason Rhoden has been working with Chad & Jeremy and all the appropriate parties to release a whole truckload of stuff on CD, including that Rocshire album. They've been working on that reissue for some time now. You can read about it by trawling through the archives of our Chad and Jeremy Yahoo! Group: chadandjeremy-subscribe@yahoogroups.com (The volume of messages in that group is low, so it won't take too much of your time.) Also, you might like to check out C&J's official site, also done with help from Jason: http://www.chadandjeremy.net Happy reading and listening, S.J. Dibai -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:56:53 -0000 From: Jim Shannon Subject: Re: Alzo Fronte Radio Spotlight Show Patrick Rands wrote: > I think those of you who dig the jazzier side of things > (like the Bob Dorough productions) would really like Alzo's > music. It was a sad day earler this month when Alzo passed > away, so it's all the more important now to get his music > heard in his honor. I'm really hoping a domestic release of > his music could happen, maybe even a tribute cd with modern > day artists recording his music (I think his song So Glad > would be perfect for a band like Saint Etienne) could happen. > His music and talent was that good I think. Amen. Alzo was a great lost to the music industry. I had communication with some of his family recently, and they are looking forward to releasing a new CD called "Been so Long". The CD had been delayed for some time. At the time of his death, Alzo was gaining in popularity in Japan and middle east. Jim Shannon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:01:13 -0000 From: Jim Shannon Subject: Re: BlueBeats / Movies Jim Shannon wrote: > ...Not ready to give up his beloved band, Griffen once > again changed the name of the group in early '69 to The > Movies and released another single but it failed to chart > in major markets. The Movies disbanded by mid '69 and > faded into obscurity. Bill Craig: > I'm assuming these Movies were not the band from the '70s > who had a tune called "Dancing On Ice"? I think they were > an east coast band. Actually the correct spelling is the Moovies. Their single release was a song called "Cinnamon Square". Lead singer Lance Drake (Blue Beats, The #1) left the group and became a DJ. Bob Rashkow: > My DJ copy of Cinnamon Square on Roulette is shown as by > "The Moovees" penned by group member Christopher Covell. > I suspect the '69 band "The Movies" unless they changed > the spelling after they were The Blue Beats is a different > group altogether. Cinnamon Square, going by the serial #, > looks to be from about the summer of 1968. BTW, it's a > terrific record, as is the flip, "Little Boy Blue (Little > Girl's Green)". Bob: It is the Moovees formerly The #1 and before that BlueBeats. Jim Shannon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:20:07 +0100 From: Frank J Subject: Re: Valiant Here's one that doesn't make a lot of money for the label I'm afraid. I recently purchased it. It's actor Charles Boyer at the tender age of 66 rapping his words of wisdom about love and where it goes. Hence the title "Where Does Love Go" (Valiant V-719). But to make it a true Spectropop item the song is written by Don and Dick Addrisi and arranged by Perry Botkin Jr. The b-side is called "Theme from Where Does Love Go" and is just the backing track. I checked on the imdb and there's no film of such title so I guess it's a kind of opener for the whole album of Boyer's bonmots which he did for Valiant but I haven't seen yet. Au revoir Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:27:50 +0100 From: Eddy Subject: Re: Bobby Freeman Country Paul: > ...Eddy for the Bobby Freeman on King info. Has that work > ever been collected on LP or CD? I only know of a King label LP (King 930) called Lovable style of Bobby Freeman. It's a 1965 LP, but I don't even have a track listing. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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