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Spectropop - Digest Number 1330

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 25 messages in this issue.

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      1. Re: Boys Next Door
           From: Clark Besch 
      2. Al Kooper on the air
           From: Clark Besch 
      3. Late Monkees
           From: Mark 
      4. Re: "Dis-Advantages Of You"
           From: Clark Besch 
      5. Re: Monkess "Headquarters" - no single from LP
           From: Clark Besch 
      6. Re: "I Can't Quit Her"
           From: Clark Besch 
      7. Re: "Open Up Your Heart"
           From: Clark Besch 
      8. Bo Gentry & Richie Cordell
           From: Clark Besch 
      9. First Cut Is The Deepest
           From: Clark Besch 
     10. Re: Monkees "I Wanna Be Free"
           From: Clark Besch 
     11. Re: Great endings
           From: Clark Besch 
     12. Re: Awesome  (Odd-some?) group names
           From: Clark Besch 
     13. Re: Apollas and the Flirtations
           From: Clark Besch 
     14. Re: Mono vs Stereo
           From: Clark Besch 
     15. Re: Jimmie Cross and other Demented Novelties
           From: Clark Besch 
     16. Re: "Barefoot In Baltimore" / "Sandy"
           From: Clark Besch 
     17. John Beland / DC5 Mike Smith Update / Artie Wayne
           From: Clark Besch 
     18. Re: The Coastliners
           From: Clark Besch 
     19. Re: My Mistakes
           From: Clark Besch 
     20. Re: Cilla's cool records
           From: Mike Page 
     21. and a great big spotty dog
           From: Frank Murphy 
     22. Re: Cilla's cool records
           From: Paul Bryant 
     23. Monkees "D.W. Washburn"
           From: Lapka Larry 
     24. Connie Francis
           From: Mike Edwards 
     25. Shindig Magazine
           From: Jon 'Mojo' Mills 

Message: 1 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:59:33 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Boys Next Door previously: > Another (Kooper/Levine) favourite of mine is the Byrdsy > "There Is No Greater Sin" a '65 single by the Boys Next Door. Bill George: > Sounds great. Can anyone play it to musica? Maybe it sounds Byrdsy, but that snarl in "aw, There..." is a dead ringer for Turtles to me. The song is available from Sundazed on Cd. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:01:54 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Al Kooper on the air Michael Godin: > Just wanted to wish Al Kooper a very Happy Birthday this week. > Playing a couple of his great songs on this week's show. By buddy in Chicago radio, Bob Stroud, did a tribute to Al on his show this weekend past. You can see his whole 3 hr show songlists every week at He plays lotsa great Chicago area 60's too! I'm a little concerned tho. I noticed he played "Under My Wheels"!! Alice Cooper---Al Kooper? Could it be?? :) Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:14:14 -0000 From: Mark Subject: Late Monkees I don't really know exactly what they were trying to accomplish with Head and with that abominable special. Their audience was the pre-teens, the 8 to 14 year old age group. That's the group I was in. That's who they were making music for. The Beatles weren't for us, they were for the older teenagers. So The Monkees completely abandoned the audience they had in order to try to win acceptance from the audience that wanted nothing to do with them. The complete failure of Head (in theatres for about 5 minutes) and 33 and a third (terrible ratings) pretty much showed that at that point they were pleasing themselves and no one else. But that's fine, they forgot about us, we forgot about them. And other acts came along that didn't mind catering to our age group (Ohio Express, 1910 Fruitgum Company, The Cowsills, The Archies, The Partridge Family). The sad thing is that even 30 years later The Monkees still don't get it. They released Justus, which was maybe the worst record I've ever heard. Great idea, trying to do grunge. As if that's what Monkees fans want to hear. As if any grunge fans would be caught dead listening to a Monkees album. Way to know your audience. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:04:25 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: "Dis-Advantages Of You" Mark T wrote: > The original version of ("Dis-Advantages Of You") was done by a > group called The Answer on Columbia. The Brass Ring version on > Dunhill was a cover. The Answer version was the one actually used > on the commercial. Art Longmire: > Are you sure? I have the Brass Ring's version and it sounds > identical to the commercial I heard in the 1960s. I also have > the commercial on an audio tape and it definitely sounds identical > to the Brass Ring. I have to go along with Art. I gotta believe the Dunhill version is the commercial version too. Anyone else? Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:08:05 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Monkess "Headquarters" - no single from LP Larry Lapka wrote: > Next question: why were there no single releases from the > Headquarters LP? Were they too much in the midst of the Kirshner > fallout, was this viewed as a lack of approval from RCA, or even a > punishment? Did any other band--other than the Beatles of course-- > have a major album release during that period without a single 45 > being released from it (at least in the U.S.)? Mike McKay: > There were no singles taken from the "Ventures in Space" album > at the time of its release (1964). "Out of Limits" finally came > out as a B-side, but that wasn't till 1967. Larry, I think thge Monkees were out to prove they could write, and play instruments and produce their own music for an Lp. It might also be that they wanted their single to be a more "sure" true and tested writer, so they chose the classics "Pleasant Valley Sunday" and Boyce-Hart's "Words". Just my guess. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:20:33 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: "I Can't Quit Her" Bob Radil: > Was "Just One Smile" also a single? Was it the follow up > or did it precede "I Can't Quit Her"? Was "I Love You More > Than You'll Ever Know" released as a single? Al Kooper: > Using just this grey-haired head, I'm pretty sure I Cant Quit > Her was the ONLY single from that first album. Yes, "I Can't Quit Her" was the only 45 from "Child". I wish "Just One Smile" had been also. Has anyone besides me noticed how hard it is to find even a Dj copy of this? I've never seen a store copy. I've only seen my Dj copy and I've only had it a couple of years. Being a 45 fanatic, I was ecstatic to finally get it. I got the Arbors' Dj 45 when it came out, but only 5 years ago did I get a STEREO dj 45 of it! Wonder what Al thinks of the Arbors' version? I love it. Again, it really sounds so much different from BST, that it seems like a different song. For the record, I love all versions of the BST group. Besides Al, David CT, "Sometimes In Winter" is an incredible song and later ones like "So Long Dixie" and "Roller Coaster" and even "Got To Get You Into My Life" are great listens too. Funny, in 68, I didn't get a Columbia supplied "I Can't Quit Her", but I got Al' great "You Never Know Who Your Friends Are"in a mono/stereo Dj with a great pic sleeve of his "friends" having Al tied up! Al, were these people on the sleeve friends? The pic sleeve back had the lyrics and 4 Lps Al worked on pictured. Wish they'd done that with the BST single!! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:39:15 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: "Open Up Your Heart" As discussed a year ago, it could be our own Artie Wayne's song "Open Up Your Heart" that was done so brilliantly by the U.S. Males in 68. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:50:11 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Bo Gentry & Richie Cordell With all the writers and producers who were also artists, how bout Bo Gentry and Richie Cordell? The did great with the Tommy James stuff. About the time Tommy started producing his own records, Bo and Richie started recording for Columbia, similar to Austin Roberts and Alan Gordon did as writer/artists. Bo and Richie's "Love is Here" 45 is GREAT! They did steal John and Paul's "tit tit tit...", but a greatly crafted pop song that was top 10 in Wichita, but anywhere else?? Their only other Columbia 45, "Stone Go Getter" (I think the title) was not so hot, in my opinion. Can't remember what happened after they parted with Tommy James. Did Alan Gordon or Al Kooper ever work with them at Columbia or know what became of them? Like Boyce & Hart, they were quickly gone, it seemed. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:05:22 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: First Cut Is The Deepest What is with this song? I have heard some female country singer doing this, now. I think it was Sheryl Crow. Yes, it is a great song, but it has been done to death without ever being a big hit. Why keep recording it? I guess it's timeless?? I liked Cat Stevens, the Koobas (thanks Doug Richard for turning me on to that one) and P.P. Arnold's was ok. My fave version is the big production by Keith Hampshire. When Rod Stewart did it, I didn't like it and this new version is worse. Too many versions of a good song that may never be a huge hit. It would be tough to be one of the many great writers here and have some guy (Cat) write a song that gets recorded over and over and doesn't care about the royalties! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:08:05 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Monkees "I Wanna Be Free" Altho, "I Wanna Be Free" wasn't a 45 A or B for the Monkees, it was a "B" side and came with a pic sleeve by Boyce & Hart, its' writers. So, Steveo, you were correct, kinda. It was B of "L.U.V. (Let Us Vote)". The Monkees did a different arrangement from the Lp version on the TV show that has since been released. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:12:58 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Great endings Mike wrote: > Not quite as divine, but similar in spirit, is the ending of the > original BOMP! single of "Tomorrow Night" by The Shoes. (Beware > the badly botched rerecording of the song that opens their first > Elektra album "Present Tense." The single was perfect...what were > they thinking???) Mike, I heard the Elektra 45 first and really like the cold ending on it. As often is the case, the version you first hear sometimes seems better. The 3 singles off the Elektra Lp are all great A sides. Reminds me of a cool small label 45 from a little later by Cracker (not the later group) called "What Did I Do?". Same kinda small production like the Bomp Shoes 45 or like "Hook" by the Toms. Great underproduced power pop 1980 period music. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:15:08 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Awesome (Odd-some?) group names How bout the Iowa group, "The Guy Who Came Up From Downstairs", that appeared on a band battle episode of "Happening 68"? Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:33:28 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Apollas and the Flirtations James wrote: > Hi, I have been searching for a chart peak and/or information > regarding the Appolas' "Mr. Creator". > > I know it charted, but not where. It is not TOP 100 pop or > R&B. It "bubbled under" the R&B charts in 1967 and possibly > the Cashbox Charts in top 100 in 1967, but I am not as sure > on this one. Can anyone supply me with a peak number? > > Also, The Flirtations were a classic northern soul girl group > who had two pop hits "Nothing But A Heartache" (#34) and > "South Carolina" (#111 pop) in 1969. They also charted big > in New Zealand, does anyone know with which songs, when and > how far they got. Also I heard they were big on Cashbox > (especially in 1970 with "Keep On Searching"). Again, which > songs, when and a peak date. Thanks to all that help me answer. > > I am trying to help make a bio for the Flirtations on the > "Girl Group Chronicles" the web-site. I am also the moderator > for the small group Flirtationsuk which is dedicated to the > awesome female Flirtations. James, I could not find that the Apollas song charted in Cashbox or anywhere else that i looked. You are correct on the Flirtations Billboard positions, but the only other Cashbox entry beside their big hit was "Can't stop Loving You" reaching #96 for one week on in 7-11-70. Also, "Nothing but a Heartache" reached #4 on CHUM in Canada. I have 2 videos by the Flirtations that are pretty good as I remember. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 05:53:26 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Mono vs Stereo Phil Milstein wrote: > I don't quite understand why records needed to be released in both > mono and stereo mixes.... Phil, usually, labels actually did mix mono and then stereo afterwards before stereo became the more popular method of buying. Thus, it was usually not a matter of just folding the two channels together, as they were often first recorded for AM radio sound, thus mono. So, the producer or whoever had to go "make" a stereo mix. This created problems such as weaker vocals when a stereo record with vocals mixed on one side was played in mono. Instruments mixed in the middle of a stereo record when played in mono might bury the vocal in such a case. Sometimes stereo mixes were made out of phase and a vocal completely disappears when played on a mono player. There was a distinct reason for 2 mixes until stereo started getting mixed FIRST and mono second. Playing the mono "Sgt Pepper", I hear definite differences in volumes of things. Imagine that you mixed all those "Mr. Kite" things to get a nice mono mix and then went back and tried by hand to fade these effects in and out in stereo exactly as you had on the mono one. Aargh! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 05:45:24 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Jimmie Cross and other Demented Novelties Bobster, speaking of crazy records, how bout Barney Pip and the Rovin Kind doing "Can't Sit Down" with Barn playing his trumpet! Now that's novelty! "Turn into Peanut Butter"! By the way, I love "Transfusion" and "Mechanical Man" reached #21 on WLS in Chicago, amazingly. May have done better since during the ABC strikes, management at WLS tried to be robots on the air intentionally, sounding much like "Bent Bolt"! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 06:06:27 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: "Barefoot In Baltimore" / "Sandy" Jim Shannon wrote: > Anyone recall the minor hit from Strawberry Alarmclock 'Barefoot > in Baltimore" on the Uni label. Released in Summer of '68. Think > it charted into the top 30 in some markets. > > Also, a georgeous pop ballad called "Sandy' that you never hear > on the so called "oldies" stations. It was released in '65 or '66 > by Ronnie and Daytonas. Is it available on CD? > > I'm also looking for the Ousiders "Girl in Love" (Tom King/Chet > Kelley) and "Respectable". Jim, "Barefoot in Baltimore" is a good record. It is kinda like an "Incense & Peppermints, Pt. 2" to me, which is a Good Thing! "Sandy" is available on their greates hits Cd on Sundazed. The Outsiders songs are on the out of print "Legendary Masters" Cd, but I think that Cd is now issued currently thru Collectibles, I think....Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:53:51 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: John Beland / DC5 Mike Smith Update / Artie Wayne Hi, When trying to track down the Dillards White Whale 45s, I went to John Beland's website and saw commentary from Austin Roberts about him. Austin, how did you connect with John. I wrote John about a year ago about his first recording in Chicago, an unreleased acetate, "Wake Up Sweet Mary". He has since worked with tons of stars and played in Johnny Tillotson's band. His version of "Baby, You Come Rollin Cross My Mind" was a hit in Kansas when I was growing up. Somewhat like Lobo later did with "Me & You & A Dog Named Boo", John's version of "Rollin.." had a short version store 45 and one with a great longer intro that sets up the story just like Lobo did later. Anyway, John does a terrific job. He later was in the Flying Burrito Bros and did tons of sessions as well as a solo Lp on Scepter in the early 70's with the single "Banjo Man" by the re-named John Edward Beland. Lobo makes me think of Kyle. His one Lp for Paramount in the early 70's was popular here in Lincoln. I really liked it too. He now produces country artists, if I remember correctly. Loved his "Think I'm Gonna Rain". Great vocal. >From the DC5 Mike Smith site, he is improving some. He is off the ventilator up to 8 hrs a day instead of the 15 minutes previously. His friend, Madeline Bell was going to be visiting him. Let's hope he continues to improve. Speaking of improving, how are you, Artie Wayne? Long time no hear from! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:57:14 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: The Coastliners Mark wrote: > I haven't seen any mention of these guys, who were known as The > Beach Boys of Texas. They had some pretty good records with a > variety of sounds. I'm also surprised that no one has thought to do > a collection of their material. Anyone know more about these guys? Mark, I don't know a lot about the Coastliners, but their Backbeat 45 I've heard is good. What I DO know is that they had a name change to the U.S. Males in 68 and had one terrific 45 on a new Abnak distributed label, Brittania. The 45 was a great 2 sider that should have pushed Brittania onto the charts. Instead, it failed and I don't think another 45 came out on that label. One side was a 5 Americans written tune, "Come Out of the Rain", which I really love. A little Grass Roots as far as style, but not really their sound, making it better by not copping anyone's exact sound. The other side is another goodie written by our Spectropopper, Artie Wayne, called "Open Up Your Heart". This more upbeat song is nearer to the Grass Roots sound, I think. This 45 is fairly easy to find, much like the Colours Lp we've spoken of recently. Good stuff--fair price! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:36:04 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: My Mistakes Robert R. Radil wrote: > One thing to keep in mind. Although you may be aware of possible > imperfections that you may desire to go back and fix, if possible, > these are the recordings that the public has grown to be fond of, > regardless of imperfections. To go back and fix recordings, perhaps > for a CD re-issue, might please the creator of the recording, but > it wouldn't be what the public remembers. > > One example is "One Fine Morning" by Lighthouse. The remix on CD is > technically superior to the original LP mix but I prefer the original > because that's what I remember hearing back in 1971. Bob, even pre-Cd, I believe, is the Lp vs. 45 version of "Pretty Lady" by Lighthouse. The 45 just jumps out at ya and the Lp version is a bit mellower, if my memory is correct. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:52:39 -0000 From: Mike Page Subject: Re: Cilla's cool records Art: > I only have a few tunes by Cilla Black, one that I kind of like > is her version of "Across the Universe". Does anybody know if > this was a hit in the U.K.? And did she have a song called > "You're My World"? Yes she did in the UK. It was a great song IMO. I have to admit to a liking of her stuff. But I guess you either love her voice or hate it. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 09:22:59 +0000 From: Frank Murphy Subject: and a great big spotty dog I wrote: > Are you sitting comfortably? Now let us begin..... Trevor Ley: > A little sidebar. Could be quoting Pink Floyd or are you > quoting from the Small Faces' "Happines Stan"? Andrew: > I suspect Frank was quoting the old BBC radio show "Listen > With Mother", which apparently (it finished more than a > decade before I was born, so I'm going from second-hand > evidence on this ;) ) always started 'Are you sitting > comfortably? Then I'll begin'. Thank you Andrew, You are correct. Frank Murphy reflections on northern soul Saturdays at 14:30 or listen now -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:04:43 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Cilla's cool records Art Longmire wrote: > I only have a few tunes by Cilla Black, one that I kind of like > is her version of "Across the Universe". Does anybody know if > this was a hit in the U.K.? And did she have a song called > "You're My World"? You're my World was a No 1 in summer 1964 in the UK. Across the Universe!?? Didn't know she'd recorded that! What next, Cilla sings I Am the Walrus? Note on solo singers : sometimes it's the song, not the singer. A 24 carat guaranteed hit song can land in the lap of a good-but-not- great singer and wham! they become a one-hit wonder. Little Peggy March was one such, there are many more. Cilla's chart career seems to be a continual parade of very good songs sung fairly badly (except Alfie of course) which should have been hits for somebody else - like Lulu for instance, who actually has a great voice and who had awful songs to sing, hence relatively few hits. I guess it was all down to good and bad management and who got their hands on which songs. pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 05:36:28 -0800 (PST) From: Lapka Larry Subject: Monkees "D.W. Washburn" Still behind on the mail but some random thoughts: I thought the Monkees had some fine singles from D.W. Washburn on, with Porpoise Song and Listen to the Band being the best of them. But being the phenomenon that they were, their time was up, and nothing was going to return them to the popularity that they enjoyed during 1966-1968. True, their albums (with the exception of Head) were pretty much horrid, but each one had one or two gems which made purchasing them somewhat worthwhile. I really enjoy the Grass Roots's catalog, from top to bottom. I liked the folk stuff, but really loved the pop stuff, even the material that they put out in the early 1970s after Two Divided By Love (like The Runway). However, I thought that the last Grass Roots album (late 1970s?) was horrid. I kind of liked Rob Grill's solo album, even though it was basically Rob Grill and Fleetwood Mac (yuck!). Larry Lapka -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 14:21:13 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Connie Francis David Bell writes (re: Connie Francis): > Her late 60s work is so undervalued and yet Connie was at the height > of her vocal powers at that time. She'd left the silly hits behind > and become a chanteuse of great power. All this from someone who > started collecting Connie's material in 1960 and has most everything > that she ever released ... David, would you list out some examples of Connie's silly hits? Thanks, Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:22:19 -0000 From: Jon 'Mojo' Mills Subject: Shindig Magazine Hi Spectory Peeps, I recognise loads of you... So a big hello. This group looks great. I dunno if you all know about Shindig! Magazine: already, so in case you don't I'll fill you in. The magazine started out in 1991 (badly copied) and featuring garage, beat and psych bands (see back issue cover shots on the site) -- yes, the early issues were poor, but a start. In 1996 the 'zine became Shindig!. And since then we have featured exclusive interviews and articles on David John & The Mood, The Pleasure Seekers, The Poets, We The People, David Allen & The Arrows, The Grass Roots, kaleidoscope (UK), John's Children, The Nazz, Scottish Beat, The Move, The Love Affair, SRC, The Rationals, Buffalo Springfield, Spice, Wonderwall (movie) and a whole lot more... We now operate primarily in cyberspace with our monthly reviews being one of the first port of calls for those wanting the low down on the best '60s and '70s pop/beat/psych/harmony/surf/girl group/soul/psych- pop/power-pop/rock sounds. I'll inform you via the group when the reviews go up each month. (If anyone wants to submit reviews of particularly interesting releases that we haven't covered, please don't hesitate in contacting me. The more contributors the better!) Issue #7 of the printed magazine is also in preparation -- this will hopefully be ready by the summer. So once again, if anyone has any interest in submitting articles/interviews please contact me pronto. And advertisers, please, please, please get in touch. Check out our wholesome selection of review archives: Regards Jon 'Mojo' Mills -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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