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Spectropop - Digest Number 1329

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Buddy Holly & The Overdubs; one-chord wonders
           From: Country Paul 
      2. Re: what year was that?
           From: Ed Rambeau 
      3. Re: David Clayton-Thomas
           From: John Berg 
      4. Re: Feldman, Gottehrer, Goldstein - sixties discography
           From: James Botticelli 
      5. Shadows of Motown
           From: Albabe Gordon 
      6. Re: stereo/mono pressings / DJ pronunciation
           From: Hugo M. 
      7. Re: great names
           From: Bill Craig 
      8. Re: Hal Shaper, R.I.P.
           From: Mikey 
      9. Chief Bassist of the United States
           From: Phil Milstein 
     10. Mary Wilson of the Supremes news
           From: Tom 
     11. Penn/Oldham
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     12. Answers from Johnny Tillotson
           From: Dan Hughes 
     13. Re: Weirdly grooved records
           From: jerophonic 
     14. Re: Cilla's cool records
           From: Mike Stachurski 
     15. The Coastliners
           From: Mark 
     16. Question for Al Kooper
           From: Justin McDevitt 
     17. Re: Buddy Holly after 45 years
           From: superoldies 
     18. Quiotes & co-opts; Bells of St. Mary's; Paul Evans' website; trailers & big endings
           From: Country Paul 
     19. Re: "Angels Among Us"
           From: Phil Milstein 
     20. Re: even MORE Italian originals.....
           From: Steve 
     21. Re: Cilla's songs
           From: Alan Warner 
     22. Re: Penn & Oldham live album
           From: Al Kooper 
     23. Re: one-chord wonders
           From: Al Kooper 
     24. Cilla Black
           From: jerophonic 
     25. Re: Positively 4th fadeout
           From: Al Kooper 

Message: 1 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:10:26 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Buddy Holly & The Overdubs; one-chord wonders Since it's still February 3rd (at least on the east coast): Paul Bryant: > Regarding the overdubbed Buddy [Holly] - some of it is > great - the Fireballs did wonderful things on, for > instance, What to Do. The jury on the Fireballs overdubs is mixed, but in general I think they were very good and very complimentary. But some of the "raw" tracks are super tasty, too. One overdub I like is of recent vintage, but involves a vintage artist: Buddy Holly with the Hollies on "Peggy Sue Got Married" (CD: "Not Fade Away [Remembering Buddy Holly], Decca DRND-11260, 1997). I think they take the song where he might have. Paul again: > Buddy remains my choice for Worst Rock Death. I > know Elvis and Lennon were mourned throughout the > cosmos, but by their demise they has done their work. > I think Buddy was just beginning. (No 2 would be > Hendrix, of course.) All are sad, but Buddy was the first huge star, although Ritchie Valens was only 17 and had an auspicious start. I disagree that Lennon had done his work -- maybe the first couple of chapters, but he had more to go, I'm sure. Mike "Big Star," thanks for the good words on Dwight Twilley. Jon Adelson: > Can anyone think of any other uni-chord songs? I can't believe > that there are too many. Bob Dylan, "Ballad of Hollis Brown" Bunker Hill, "Hide and Seek" David Gordon -- amazing FGG list! Thank you. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:36:27 EST From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Re: what year was that? James Botticelli wrote: > ... a great song to begin with. Born again in '66 by Susan Rafey > produced brilliantly by Alan Lorber. Now, what year was yours > Eddie? If you don't mind? I'm very bad at years. But I'm certain Mike Edwards will know. That guy is a walking encylopedia when it comes to 60's music. So let it roll, Mike. What year was "The Big Hurt" by the Front Runners? Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 22:18:30 EST From: John Berg Subject: Re: David Clayton-Thomas DC-T performed here in the Seattle area not long ago -- at one of the casino clubs run by a Native American tribe (which have proliferated in our region over the past decade and bring in lots of '60s and '70s bands and singers.) Can't recall if he used his own name or BS&T. John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:50:47 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Feldman, Gottehrer, Goldstein - sixties discography Martin Roberts wrote: > Patty Lace and the Petticoats (Kapp 585)'64 > Girls Don't Trust That Boy > Girls Should Always Look Their Best Over the top and underappreciated. ... Who were they? Where from? Sneaky Sue wanna know! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 19:57:20 -0800 From: Albabe Gordon Subject: Shadows of Motown Richard Williams says of Standing in the Shadows of Motown >"Just a note to mention that the Funk Brothers appeared at the Festival > Hall in London on Friday night... Stevie Winwood..." Wow!!! sounds like a great show. I hope it'll be released either officially or as a boot. I understand that there is Funk Brothers" cd out now (as of the 3rd of Feb.). The Ice Cube article in I.C.E. Magazine says that "it's the first set to cull the legendary house band's original instrumental performances." Then it says that it also has an instrumental version of "What's Going On" that's never been out before. So, does that mean that some of their instrumental performances have been released before? I'm confused... as per usual. ~albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 02:26:48 -0000 From: Hugo M. Subject: Re: stereo/mono pressings / DJ pronunciation The reason for pressing records in two different versions is that in the earlier, more primitive days of record-player technology you needed a specifically-for-stereo stylus to play stereo records, and playing them with a mono "needle" (the name we used to use for styli) would damage them. This is also why c.1971-72 you start seeing "can also be played on mono turntables" printed on jackets -- things were being manufactured with a bit more sophistication, and the problem had been solved. My favorite disc jockey mistake happened when a dj on a Mexican-music station had to read an advert for a store that sold pre-fab garages/ storage spaces. Company's name was Tuff Shed, and the poor guy at Radio Pantera got all tongue-tied... Beep-beep m beep-beep YEAH... Hugo M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:46:17 -0000 From: Bill Craig Subject: Re: great names Some guys that I went to high school with in the'60's had a band with a great name: The Vacant Lot. They had one 45 on Roulette, appeared on Upbeat, and sank into obscurity. Inspired name though. Bill Craig -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 21:52:44 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Hal Shaper, R.I.P. > From the London Independent: > "The lyricist Hal Shaper's most famous composition was "Softly as I > Leave You" and in 1962 it was a Top Ten single in the UK for Matt > Monro. It did reasonably well in America, was covered by Doris Day, > Andy Williams and Brenda Lee, and became a standard when Frank Sinatra > recorded it in 1964. And, I might add that there is a heartbreaking version of "Softly" by The Lettermen on Capitol. Really excellent. mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:53:23 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Chief Bassist of the United States Erik Lindgren, of whom we were speaking here recently, has turned up a very interesting item in his exhaustive collection of the little-known genre of prep school rock band records*. He's found a 1961 vanity LP, pressed in a quantity of about 500, by The Electras of St. Paul's Academy in New Hampshire, which included as its bassist John Kerry, who is today the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination for U.S. president. Monday's Washington Post covers this story, including band photo, at . Sample text: "Lindgren, a Kerry supporter, took the album to one of the senator's rallies in September and was waving it over his head when the candidate swept through the crowd to shake hands. Kerry spotted it and lunged toward Lindgren, grinning broadly. "'It was a euphoric moment, both for me and for Kerry,' he recalled. 'He came over with this look of disbelief and he kept asking, "Where did you find this?" He couldn't believe anyone had one.' Then he gathered his campaign aides and pointed out the lanky guy on the jacket photo in the back row on the right, who looks like a swell in search of a sock hop. "'He kept saying, "That's me!'"' Lindgren reports, and then he autographed the album." Rolling Stone and the tabloid TV "news" program Inside Edition are also planning some coverage of this 43-years-delayed breaking story. I'm thinking that since a reunion of his Vietnam War buddies was such a successful campaign event for Senator Kerry, his next move should be a reunion of The Electras. --Phil M. *"prep schools" is the term in the U.S. for private boarding high schools, with enrollment (obviously) restricted to rich kids -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:48:24 -0000 From: Tom Subject: Mary Wilson of the Supremes news Mary asked me to share the following information with you: Last Thursday, before she left New York, Mary suffered what may have been a Transient Ischemic Attack (TIA) -- commonly known as a mini-stroke. She was able to fly home to Las Vegas, where she is currently under her doctor's care. Doctors have not yet figured out exactly what caused this situation, but they think it may have been brought on by the stress associated with Mary's upcoming trial date. Her doctors have assured Mary that there has been no permanent damage, and that she can expect a full recovery. As an indication of just how strong she is, Mary perfomed her scheduled concert in New Mexico Saturday night. She is a trooper! Please note, however, that Mary has cancelled her scheduled appearance on The Wayne Brady Show, so that she can get the rest she needs. I am sure that you join me in holding Mary in prayer for a speedy and full recovery from this health episode. peace, Tom -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:58:04 -0000 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Penn/Oldham from Richard: > There is a wonderful Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham album from > 1999 called 'Moments From This Theatre'. Recorded live in > Dublin, Belfast, London and South Petherton (the first mention > ever on Spec'pop for this small Somerset village I'll wager). > It has a trawl through some of their biggest hits. It includes, > what is to my ears, a version of 'I'm Your Puppet' that gives > James and Bobby a run for their money. Another highlight is the > album closer, 'Ol' Folks'. The CD is out on Proper Records. I'll second that. One of the few times i've bought a new album in the last five years, I was not disappointed. Wasn't it Dan Penn who, when asked for his favorite version of " Dark End Of The Street", replied "James Carr -- as if there was any other". The whole album leaves you with a "warm glow". In my opinion Penn sounds like Presley should have sounded today. Oh no, what have I said?! Ken On The West Coast. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:00:01 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Answers from Johnny Tillotson Here's the latest round of answers from Johnny Tillotson: Dear Dan: We don't get to our e-mail on a consistent basis because we're on the road, etc. so we're here now, and will try to answer the new questions. Thank David for his question re: Our World. Johnny's good friend Paul Evans (Roses Are Red; Seven Little Girls) was at one of Johnny's New Year's Eve parties in New York, and Paul said to Johnny, I have a song I think you'd like. He played it for Johnny and he loved it. He wasn't looking to make a statement, he just liked the song. Great song. Johnny recorded it in Spanish, also. It's on the website, and it gave him a great trip to Holland to sing it on Dutch TV. Johnny recorded one of Austin's songs, "Next To You", in the early eighties. Johnny did it beautifully, but it was unfortunately never released. Johnny admires his writing. Ricky did do a great version of "I Rise, I Fall", and thank him for the compliments on "Dreamy Eyes" and "Without You" . Please tell Mark hello. What a great guy. They did have a great tour in Saudi Arabia -- he did a lot of arranging of songs, also. Please give him Johnny's email and send him Johnny's best. Hello to Country Paul. "Why Do I Love You So" was produced by Archie Bleyer,.Johnny did the arrangement, which Archie refined. The writer Cliff Rhodes was a college buddy of Johnny's at the University of Florida -- go Gators! They would serenade the girls at the sorority houses with it, just like in the movies. Went over great. The talking on "True, True Happiness" was on the original demo -- it was written by Hal Green. Archie Bleyer heard "Without You" with strings -- Johnny believes it was the first time they used strings. Great song. Johnny thinks Archie wrote the best string parts in the business at the time. Dan asks what made Johnny do country. Johnny and the Everly Brothers were originally the country department of Cadence Records, so it was really the other way around. They were all from the south and grew up on country. Even Elvis was country, then they were rock-a-Billy, then Rock n Roll. That's the kind of music Johnny did on his TV show in the mid fifties, all three styles. Buddy Holly was country, and he toured on country shows -- that was the first tour Johnny saw him appear on. Johnny got signed at Cadence after a performance at the Grand Ole Opry in Nashville, Tennessee. Our best to all. Sincerely, Nancy Tillotson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:17:48 -0000 From: jerophonic Subject: Re: Weirdly grooved records Dan Hughes wrote: > Wait a minute here! "Never plays the same song twice" isn't right! > I assume there are 128 different tracks and it's totally random as > to which track you get when the needle drops. The odds of getting > all 128 tracks in 128 tries are miniscule! You'd get tons of > repeats! Do we have a statistician in the group? How many needle > drops would it take to get all 128? You'd go nuts! It's a comedy album which "never plays the same [show] twice". I think there are four different grooves, hence, four different shows. So it's "never" in the sense of "until you play it five times." Call off the statisticians. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:11:22 +1300 From: Mike Stachurski Subject: Re: Cilla's cool records Art, Yes Cilla did have a hit in the UK with "You're My World." But not with "Across the Universe". I love her version of McCartney's "Junk". Mike Stachurski, Dunedin, NZ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:15:40 -0000 From: Mark Subject: The Coastliners I haven't seen any mention of these guys, who were known as The Beach Boys of Texas. They had some pretty good records with a variety of sounds. I'm also surprised that no one has thought to do a collection of their material. Anyone know more about these guys? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 23:14:48 -0700 From: Justin McDevitt Subject: Question for Al Kooper Hi Al and Spectropop, About 10 years ago, I read an article by Dave Barry in which he and a number of other writers, including Amy tan and Roy Blount Jr got together to form a rock n' roll band, whose name slips my mind right now. As I recall, you figured prominently in the development of this ensemble and I believe played keyboards. Dave Barry was pretty awed by your presence in this group, particularly the fact that you played on Bob Dylan's Like A Rolling Stone. I think he was also somewhat intimidated by your no-nonsense, no bullshit approach to help them reach an acceptable level of musicianship so they could actually perform. Any comments on your involvement with these group of scribes? Justin McDevitt -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:24:54 -0000 From: superoldies Subject: Re: Buddy Holly after 45 years Very lucky to have seen Buddy live! I'll be doing a special show Tues. (later today) 2-4pm CST on -- I will be playing Bopper, Ritchie & Buddy related tracks, and some things you will have "guaranteed" not heard before. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:58:15 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Quiotes & co-opts; Bells of St. Mary's; Paul Evans' website; trailers & big endings Re: Songs that "quote" others; since Little Isidore (David Forman) has come back up in discussion, he (and the Inquisitors) have a track on the "Largo" album (Mercury CD, a couple of years ago, consisting of variations on the Dvorak -- not to be confused with "anorak" -- New World Symphony's "Going Home" theme). Not only does every track have a quote from or some relationship to that theme, but Isidore's track, "Before The Mountain," perhaps the best track on the CD, also quotes the Isley Brothers' "Shout" (the "Hey-Hey-Hey-Hey" part). Interestingly, they also give author credit to the brothers. This one is worth searching out IMO. Watson MacBlue: > Anyone know any other pastiches that have been mistaken for the > real thing? One famous one from the mid-60s is Steve Gillette's "authentic" folk song, "Darcy Farrow." Spot-on to the era, and beautiful. And (here I go again) a non-doo-wop collector would be hard pressed to tell the difference between several of the originals on either of Little Isidore & The Inquisitors' albums and the songs they cover. Julio Nino: > ...[C]onsidering that in Jamaica it is not uncommon that singers, and > specially producers take credit of well known songs.... One of my favorites that was co-opted into "Jamaican" is by a vocal group called the Tennors (yep, 02 Ns) entitled "Weather Report," actually a reggae version, with some misheard and purposely changed lyrics, of "The Only Living Boy In New York." The original title line becomes "You're the only little girl in my home town," and the new title comes from the line "I get all the news I need on the weather report." My favorite lyrical "malfunction": "Donnelly, Donnelly, Donnelly, Donnelly, here I am." In short, this record is superb; good luck finding it! (I think it was released in the late 60s; I have it on a 3-LP set from Columbia Special Products which heavily relied on some of the Shelter reggae releases of the early 70's in the US. I have no idea of its original label. Anyone else heard this?) Paul Bryant: > ..."The Bells of St. Marys." Phil Chapman: > ...[P]ossibly my favourite track on the Christmas Gift > LP. I still love Bobby [Sheen]'s vocal, even though years > later I discovered it was a fair facsimile of Clyde > McPhatter's earlier performance (which I also love). And for a different take, try Terry & The Mellos' version on Amy; reminiscent of the Demensions' "Over The Rainbow." By the way, am I the only person who trucked out -- yea, who remembers -- the Demensions' exquisite version of "Ave Maria" (Mohawk, 1960) at Christmas time? (And hey, I'm even Jewish!) Paul Evans: I just spent over half an hour at including chasing some of your links. Nice site, very well put together. I'd forgotten you wrote "When" [Kalin Twins] and "Gotta Know" [Elvis], two early faves of mine (I also like the excerpt of your own version). Glad you're aboard. Selected shorts.... Re: Thomas Wayne's "Tragedy" -- I'm with Trevor; I just replayed it and I indeed hear it as "Bung." Austin Roberts, your perspective on Dunhill vis-a-vis Emitt Rhodes' was neither too long nor boring. I think you got the right angle on Rhodes' experience even without reading the article. Steveo, re: FGG: > As far as the Feldman and assoc bag, I think they also produced the > Strangeloves.."I Want Candy". One better, Steve -- they *were* the Strangeloves (allegedly Miles, Giles and Niles Strange -- yeah, right). Mike Edwards' Super Bowl halftime show was certainly more interesting than the real one, Janet Jackson notwithstanding (talk about much ado about nothing; people have bodies, and some Americans are just going to have to get used to that fact). Kirsty MacColl's "A New England" is a perfect choice, Mike. I do agree your list was a bit one-sided, but you could have satisfied both sides with New Englander James Taylor's "Carolina In My Mind"! Re: Spine Shiverers / Big Finishes, may I offer the spectacular choral ending on the Rivieras' superb doowop version of Louis Prima's big-band classic "Count Every Star" -- coincidentally the first 45 I ever bought, and for that very reason. What voices! What a blend! Even my rock-hating opera-loving mother liked it! (The runner-up reason I bought it: the syncopation of the "Count now, 01 -- 2 -- 3-4" (you gotta hear it on the record -- remarkable bass singer). And that's my big finish for now, Country Paul P. S. Curious to see if anyone picks up Dan Hughes' payola thread -- or the money Dan left lying next to it! :-) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:08:43 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: "Angels Among Us" Joe Nelson wrote: > Is this the same song Alabama recorded a number of years back? Laura Pinto wrote: > In a word, yup! In that case, the song is the one co-written by Becky Hobbs ... which provides a convenient segue to a reminder of our page in which Becky recalls her late friend Charlotte O'Hara, aka Bonnie of Bonnie & The Treasures: --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:37:44 -0000 From: Steve Subject: Re: even MORE Italian originals..... Uno Dei Tanti - Joe Sentieri I Who have Nothing - Ben E King Concerto D'Autunno - ?? early 50s I think And That Reminds Me - Four Seasons among others La Novia - Tony Dallara (wr Joaquin Prieto) The Wedding - Julie Rogers Quando Quando Quando - Tony Renis Quando Quando Quando - Emgelbert Humperdinck Cuando Caliente El Sol - Los Hermanos Rigual (Spanish actually) Love Me With All Your Heart - Ray Charles Singers El Amor - ???? (wr Joaquin Prieto) In My Room - Verdelle Smith / Julie Rogers / Walker Bros That's about all I have for now.......but as I keep surfing I find more!! Cheers Steve -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:10:48 -0800 From: Alan Warner Subject: Re: Cilla's songs Art: Cilla Black certainly did have a song called YOU'RE MY WORLD. Coincidentally, with other S'Pop letters talking about Italian songs, YOU'RE MY WORLD was based on IL MIO MONDO, the English lyric of which was by Carl Sigman. Chart-wise, YOU'RE MY WORLD was one of two consistent Cilla Black #1's in the UK, following on from her tremendous cover of ANYONE WHO HAD A HEART, both in 1964. And no, ACROSS THE UNIVERSE never charted over there. Rock on! Alan Warner -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:34:12 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Penn & Oldham live album Richard Havers wrote: > There is a wonderful Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham album from > 1999 called 'Moments From This Theatre'. Recorded live in > Dublin, Belfast, London and South Petherton (the first mention > ever on Spec'pop for this small Somerset village I'll wager). > It has a trawl through some of their biggest hits. It includes, > what is to my ears, a version of 'I'm Your Puppet' that gives > James and Bobby a run for their money. Another highlight is the > album closer, 'Ol' Folks'. The CD is out on Proper Records. Yes you English folk are lucky to have that out and obtainable. We Americans must hunt for it. I cant describe it any better than you have either. God bless, Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:52:21 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: one-chord wonders Mark Hill wrote: > American Woman- THE GUESS WHO > Black Dog, Heartbreaker, Whole Lotta Love- LED ZEPPELIN- > Car Wash- ROSE ROYCE > Chain Of Fools- ARETHA etc. As a musician I must nullify two of these choices: The It's Your Thing groove uses various chords other than the one chord. Superstition changes chords around the line "You believe in things you don't understand" -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 04:01:30 -0000 From: jerophonic Subject: Cilla Black Cilla had a local hit in the Philadelphia area with "It's For You" in 1964, around the same time as Peter & Gordon's "World Without Love". John Lennon recorded a spoken intro for "It's For You", and Paul did the same for Peter & Gordon. Local radio played these intros constantly. John's went something like: "This next one is by Cilla Black, a very beautiful girl, a very beautiful singer: it's called 'It's For You'". Do any 'poppers have copies of these, or even know what I'm talking about? I could never figure out if they were recorded on a cart, or tacked on to radio station copies of the 45's. Also, is "It's For You" available on CD? And did anyone ever cover it besides Three Dog Night? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 03:07:39 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Positively 4th fadeout Dan Hughes wrote: > Al, I've always wondered about the fade-out at the end of Positively > 4th Street. Can't quite describe why, but Bob's voice seems to be > preparing to finish the line "You know what a drag it is to see you" > but the music just fades out at that point. I just instinctively > feel there should be another couplet coming after that. > Anybody else feel the song ends before it's over?? Dan, Except for the New Morning album, all i did was arrange & play on 'em. The post studio decisions were things I was never involved in. Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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