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Spectropop - Digest Number 1326



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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Open Up Your Heart
           From: Mark T 
      2. Re:  Lulu/Aretha
           From: steveo 
      3. Re: Lovin' Feelin' on Philles - Bad Pressings
           From: steveo 
      4. Re: A workable idea?
           From: Bryan 
      5. Re: "Midnight Special"
           From: James Botticelli 
      6. Re: "Angels Among Us"
           From: Laura Pinto 
      7. Re: R.I.P. Ed Sciaky
           From: Steve Harvey 
      8. Boys Next Door
           From: Bill George 
      9. Re: Dis-Advantages of You
           From: Art Longmire 
     10. Re: Headquarters/no single from LP
           From: Mike McKay 
     11. Songwriting credits
           From: Ian Chippett 
     12. Jim Krondes
           From: Tina Vozick 
     13. Re: Songwriter credits
           From: Leslie Fradkin 
     14. "I Can't Quit Her"
           From: Al Kooper 
     15. "Fly Away"
           From: Al Kooper 
     16. Re: Songwriter Credits & Dan Penn
           From: Peter Riley 
     17. Re: Ogden's
           From: Andrew Hickey 
     18. Marvelettes Book
           From: Stephanie 
     19. I Wanna Be Free
           From: Lapka Larry 
     20. Re: Liberty Valance
           From: Bob Hanes 
     21. Jerry Butler LP Question
           From: John Sellards 
     22. Re: "You Left The Water Running"
           From: Clay Stabler 
     23. In search of Italian pop
           From: Country Paul 
     24. Re: Cilla's cool records
           From: Art Longmire 
     25. Burt Bacharach & Hal David - their first production
           From: Mick Patrick 


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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 21:59:38 -0000 From: Mark T Subject: Open Up Your Heart I know of 3 versions of this song [Open Up Your Heart]: Thomas and Richard Frost Almond Marzipan on Trend in England, which I think is the original Rainbow on Evolution The song is an early 70s pop tune in the vein of Edison Lighthouse/White Plains. Great record. I am sure not the same as the earlier songs mentioned with this title. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:24:44 -0800 (PST) From: steveo Subject: Re: Lulu/Aretha Paul Bryant wrote: > (On comparison of Lulu and Aretha F.) Steveo, I hope > you realised I was not being altogether serious.... Paul, I really do like Lulu!!!!Heh Heh Steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:18:18 -0800 (PST) From: steveo Subject: Re: Lovin' Feelin' on Philles - Bad Pressings Richard Hattersley wrote: > Has any one noticed that "...Lovin' Feelin'" on the > US Philles > pressing is pressed slightly off centre? > Richard, I remember reading that Phil Spector's company started using record pressing plants in Mexico I believe it was, and Phil was opting for cheaper pressing costs. This may account for some of the bad pressings for Philles. It's not that all things from Mexico are bad, but the standards of that particular plant were supposedly not up to snuff. Steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:42:01 -0800 From: Bryan Subject: Re: A workable idea? Tom Taber wrote: > [I] hope to this year release 1000 copies of a CD of > live music from 1979 by America's greatest and maybe > most beloved unknown band Beloved "unknown" band? Hmm....is that even possible? Perhaps you should share this with the rest of the Spectropop class? Bryan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 17:01:39 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: "Midnight Special" Al Kooper wrote: > You were a lucky man, Paul - > Everett on fire AND 7 little girls in the back seat!!! But weren't they doing a guy named Fred? -- James Botticelli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 00:04:20 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Re: "Angels Among Us" Laura Pinto wrote: > Ron (Dante) has recorded the lovely song "Angels Among Us", > which will be included on his forthcoming CD. To hear an > audio clip, visit http://www.rondante.com and click on the > link on his homepage. Joe Nelson wrote: > Is this the same song Alabama recorded a number of years back? Hi, In a word, yup! The same. Ron appears to have made the song his own, with thrilling background harmonies and a great arrangement. I saw him today and he's very excited about the recording and looking forward to getting it released. (Watch this space for info on the concert photos I took ... if they came out OK!) Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 14:58:40 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: R.I.P. Ed Sciaky Al Kooper wrote: > A great passionate music lover. Most of the obits here in Philly always site how many people Ed pushed into the limelight when they were nobodies: Bruce, Joel, Yes, Bette, Manilow, Forbert, etc. He was passionate about music which is why he found it hard to be employed in today's current excuse for radio. I interned with Ed at WIOQ back in 1980. Played him an English single by the Stray Cats (unknown at that time in their own country) doing "You Can't Hurry Love". "Not bad," mused Ed, "play it for David Dye". Dye turned it down because it wasn't on the playlist (surprise!) A year later a pedestrian version of "You Can't Hurry Love" would chart via Phil Collins and the Stray Cats started having their own hits. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:07:03 EST From: Bill George Subject: Boys Next Door previously: > Another (Kooper/Levine) favourite of mine is the Byrdsy > "There Is No Greater Sin" a '65 single by the Boys Next Door. Sounds great. Can anyone play it to musica? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 00:07:06 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: Dis-Advantages of You Mark T wrote: > The original version of this was done by a group called The > Answer on Columbia. The Brass Ring version on Dunhill was a > cover. The Answer version was the one actually used on the > commercial. Are you sure? I have the Brass Ring's version and it sounds identical to the commercial I heard in the 1960s. I also have the commercial on an audio tape and it definitely sounds identical to the Brass Ring. Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 23:40:58 EST From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Headquarters/no single from LP Larry Lapka wrote: > Next question: why were there no single releases from the > Headquarters LP? Were they too much in the midst of the Kirshner > fallout, was this viewed as a lack of approval from RCA, or even a > punishment? Did any other band--other than the Beatles of course-- > have a major album release during that period without a single 45 > being released from it (at least in the U.S.)? There were no singles taken from the "Ventures in Space" album at the time of its release (1964). "Out of Limits" finally came out as a B-side, but that wasn't till 1967. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 18:04:00 EST From: Ian Chippett Subject: Songwriting credits Al Kooper wrote: > The only one that comes to mind is the intro that is in > the song Whiter Shade of Pale 3x. That needed copyrighting. > Fortunately is was "written" by the composers (or lifted from > public domain classical music). If an arranger had come up with > it, he would NOT have been a songwriter. It's so weird, I know. There's been a lot of discussion about this on the (very wonderful) Procol Harum forum. In fact, the organ intro was (allegedly) written by the organist Matthew Fisher who received no credit for it and it's rumoured that he later left the band as a result (though he's now once again a member.) His first two solo albums (both brilliant) have many moments which appear to confirm this (I mean he could well have written the part and the overall feeling is oneof bitterness and anger) . Al is right about the credit thing i.e. the arranger's part is quite separate though I think he'd agree in this case MF should have refused to allow the others to use his tune without a third of the royalties which must have been astronomical. Ian Chippett -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 00:09:54 -0500 From: Tina Vozick Subject: Jim Krondes Country Paul: > Karl Hammel, Jr., came (I believe) from my home town of > New Rochelle, NY. (Or was it co-writer Jimmy Krondes?) Don't know about Hammel, but Jim Krondes did live in New Rochelle. Does anyone know anything about Jim these days? Paul wrote a few songs with him, way back when, including "The Isle of Skorpios" and "The WInds of Change". He would like to be in touch with Jim again. Tina http://www.sff.net/people/paullevinson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 15:17:29 -0700 From: Leslie Fradkin Subject: Re: Songwriter credits Dear Al, you wrote: > The only one that comes to mind is the intro that is in the > song Whiter Shade of Pale 3x. That needed copyrighting. > Fortunately is was "written" by the composers (or lifted from > public domain classical music). If an arranger had come up with > it, he would NOT have been a songwriter. It's so weird, I know. But Al, to this day, Matthew Fisher gets NO composing credit for Whiter Shade Of Pale (he of the famous organ lick) even though it's part of the published sheet music. In fact, it's the reason he originally left Procol Harum. Les -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 02:57:06 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: "I Can't Quit Her" Bob Radil: > Was "Just One Smile" also a single? Was it the follow up > or did it precede "I Can't Quit Her"? Was "I Love You More > Than You'll Ever Know" released as a single? Using just this grey-haired head, I'm pretty sure I Cant Quit Her was the ONLY single from that first album. Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 03:06:28 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: "Fly Away" Bob Celli: > I was wondering if you did the demo on "Fly Away" and if you remember > the circumstances on how Bobby Vee ended up with the song. As I > mentioned in another post, "Fly Away" was one of the highlights of > the "Look At Me Girl" lp and in my opinion showed just how versatile > Bobby Vee was as a recording artist. I think the demo Bobby Vee used for his version of Fly Away was probably the original Blues Projects version of the song.which was not a demo. In those days, if I had newly written a song for the band I was in, a demo didn't get made as a rule. In the case of BS&T, we had to make demos to get a deal and to satisfy a producer. Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 08:07:25 -0000 From: Peter Riley Subject: Re: Songwriter Credits & Dan Penn Richard Havers: > There is a wonderful Dan Penn and Spooner Oldham album > from 1999 called 'Moments From This Theatre' One of my favourite "new" albums (1999 recording) is Irma Thomas's "My Heart's in Memphis, the songs of Dan Penn". It contains a sublime version of "I'm Your Puppet" as well as nine new songs. Peter -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:33:00 +0100 From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Re: Ogden's Frank Murphy: > Are you sitting comfortably? Now let us begin..... Trevor Ley: > A little sidebar. Could be quoting Pink Floyd or are you > quoting from the Small Faces' "Happines Stan"? I suspect Frank was quoting the old BBC radio show "Listen With Mother", which apparently (it finished more than a decade before I was born, so I'm going from second-hand evidence on this ;) ) always started 'Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin'. This is what both Floyd and 'Professor' Stanley Unwin (the narrator on Ogden's and one of the UK's greatest comic treasures until his death last year - no relation as far as I know to the Stanley Unwin who published Tolkein's books ) were referencing - given how prone UK psychedelic bands were to referencing both childhood and exclusively British reference points, this should come as no suprise (I'm only surprised there were no singles by The Troggs or Status Quo in '68 referencing Muffin The Mule or Andy Pandy...) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:39:58 -0000 From: Stephanie Subject: Marvelettes Book There is a book out now about the Marvelettes pioneers of the girl group sound with "Please Mr Postman", "Beechwood 45789" and "Don't Mess With Bill" and more!!! There are 196 copies being sold by the author on EBAY at 19.99 and it will be on amazon.com in 2 or 3 weeks so get your copies NOW Spectropoppers.. Stephanie It was written by an original Marvelette...Katherine Anderson Schaffner -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:24:02 -0800 (PST) From: Lapka Larry Subject: I Wanna Be Free To All: I am a bit behind in my reading, so if this has been answered already, I apologize. "I Wanna Be Free" was simply an album track in America, although it did get released in certain parts of the world as a single (I believe one was Australia). It did, however, become one of the Monkees most well known songs, as it was on the first Monkees album and garnered a good amount of airplay as an album track (again, alluding to my earlier question about the paucity of Monkees singles, I think this one should have been released--it would have been a number one record for them). Anyway, as their "Yesterday", it was recorded by several dozen artists, and the Boyce and Hart tune is one of the most fondly remembered of all Monkees song. Ironically, when they were touring as a threesome, as part of their act, Davy would say that this was one of their biggest hits, and Micky would chime in that it never was a hit--and I guess he was right. Larry Lapka -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 02:43:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Hanes Subject: Re: Liberty Valance I come from a college town in Oregon, and there was a folk group that called themselves the Fairmount Singers from here that had a bit of a hit in the NW with the song. In fact they opened the movie here, at the same time they did in the large markets, and the group played at the theater. They were a Dot rercording group and were mentored by Jimmy Rodgers. In fact I had to go to L.A. to hear the Pitney version. I know that the intention was to get into the film for the group. Folk singers version would have played more realistically perhaps. One of the guys from the group is married to Kim Carnes and manages her publishing, ironically enough. Just thought you might find it intereting. The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, Church of the Harmonic Overdub -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:31:04 -0000 From: John Sellards Subject: Jerry Butler LP Question I have a copy of Vee Jay VJS-1076, Giving Up On Love by Jerry Butler. I bought this LP as a mono collector several years ago...but it's a mono cover, mono label on the LP, and it plays stereo. I'm just curious if anybody knows if this LP was ever actually issued in mono. I'm not really unhappy having it in stereo, I'm just curious as to whether all mono copies are actually stereo or not. It's a tremendous LP, by the way. Thanks, John Sellards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:23:32 -0000 From: Clay Stabler Subject: Re: "You Left The Water Running" Bill Reed: > And, of course, there was a posthumously overdubbed demo of > "..Water Running" by Otis Redding that was released. I have > always been very curious as to who produced the final recording. Al Kooper: > Posthumous Otis almost always is his Keith Richards-at-the-time, > Steve Cropper. I would be surprised if it wasn't. I can always > call Dan Penn if neccessary. Who sings the harmony on this cut? Is it Otis himself or perhaps Dan Penn? Clay S. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:17:05 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: In search of Italian pop In search of (without breaking the bank): Nashville Street Singers - Long Black Veil (Capitol, probably 5061, early 60s - Marijohn Wilkin and the "other" back-up singers in Nashville, with Anita Kerr's group being "the") Gene Vincent - The Night Is So Lonely (Caoitol, late '50's, NOT the demo out on Norton) Any help, please? Any format will do it except open reel. Please contact off list. Al Kooper on Italian recordings: > One of the greatest was called "Il Uno De Tante." I can't remember > the original Italian artist BUT Leiber & Stoller bought the original > Italian backing track, took off the lead singer, wrote English words, > gave it to Ben E. King and voila - "I, Who Have Nothing" Ah, thus explaining the unexpected lushness of the instrumental portion. Incidentally, Italy had some great pop artists in the late 80s who put out many albums each, particularly Antonino Venditti and Lucio Dalla. (There is probably still some great pop from them and a new crop of artists - I'm out of range of the show I used to listen to on WESU, Middletown, CT.) I'd have to check on song titles to tell you what they are, as I know no Italian, but I could sing 'em to you.... Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:15:02 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: Cilla's cool records Richard Hattersley wrote: > I love "I've been Wrong Before" by Cilla Black > I don't think it was a huge hit but its a great record. > I like the comparison of Cilla's voice to a car with 2 gears :-) > She does seem to sound a lot better on CD I have to say. On the > original vinyl pressings the the sound just distorts when she > hits full belt. I only have a few tunes by Cilla Black, one that I kind of like is her version of "Across the Universe". Does anybody know if this was a hit in the U.K.? And did she have a song called "You're My World"? Art -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:32:17 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Burt Bacharach & Hal David - their first production Me: > Believe it or not, the first credited Bacharach production was > "Three Wheels On My Wagon" b/w "One Part Dog, Nine Parts Cat" by > Dick Van Dyke, released on Jamie 1178 in January 1961. Both sides > were written and produced by Burt Bacharach and Bob Hilliard. Phil Milstein: > We knew that -- we were just testing you. Yeah, right! :-) Have a crack at this one, then: If the above-mentioned disc was the unlikely debut of Burt Bacharach as credited producer, what was the first disc to bear the legend "Produced by Bacharach and David"? Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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