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      1. Re: the 9th Beatle / This Diamond Ring
           From: steveo 
      2. Little Isidore and the Golden Inquisitors
           From: Paul Bryant 
      3. Re: Songwriter credits, Ringo Starr
           From: Artie Wayne 
      4. Re: Beatle myth/Monkees' demise
           From: Clark Besch 
      5. Re: Songwriter Credits, General Question
           From: Clark Besch 
      6. cigarette commercial music
           From: Robert Beason 
      7. Jackie DeShannon doowop records?
           From: Bill George 
      8. Lou Johnson on the Bacharach box
           From: Martin Jensen 
      9. Re: Burt Bacharach's poduction debut
           From: Phil Milstein 
     10. Anorak/skipping records
           From: Stewart Mason 
     11. Child is Father to the Man
           From: ModGirl 
     12. Los Bravos - Make It Last
           From: Ed Rambeau 
     13. My Name Is Mud
           From: Phil Hall 
     14. Re: varispeed listening
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     15. Re: Beatle Myth
           From: Trevor Ley 
     16. Re: Spine Shiverers / Big Finishes
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
     17. Japanese Lyrics to "Sukiyaki"
           From: David Coyle 
     18. Re: Joe Butler and Zally
           From: Trevor Ley 
     19. Patty Michaels
           From: Ian Chapman 
     20. That Alan Gordon
           From: Steve Harvey 
     21. Re: Songs that "quote" others
           From: Billy G Spradlin  
     22. Re: Boone & Sebastian & Dylan
           From: C Ponti 
     23. Royal Teens; Bobby Vee; JFK & the Beatles
           From: Country Paul 
     24. The Mary Hopkin Song Contest
           From: Mark Frumento 
     25. Re: Unchained Melody
           From: Art Longmire 

Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:59:55 -0800 (PST) From: steveo Subject: Re: the 9th Beatle / This Diamond Ring Austin Roberts wrote: > Alright Martin, I missed by a mile, but at least Leon was > involved in the session. All that does is let me know that > the part of my memory that is working tends to toss the > facts into the air, and whatever lands upright, that's how I > remember it. There were 7 Beatles, weren't there??? Austin, lol. Yes, there were at least 7 Beatles, perhaps 9? Brian Epstein, George Martin, and Murray the K were all 5th Beatles. Pete Best was in a way, as well. As far as This Diamond Ring goes, it is a good song, but Leon Russell's arrnagement was the golden touch that made the record. Love that cordovox! Steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Little Isidore and the Golden Inquisitors Dear Poppers, I asked about modern doo wop and was recommended Little Isidore (I confess I can't recall by whom)*. But I wanna give thanks to whoever it was, cause "Inquisition of Love" is a great little album, which is expertly balanced between affectionate parody and the genuine article. It's a hard thing to do. If anyone out these is interested in this kind of pastiche and also interested in psychedelia, I recommend in turn the wonderful stuff made by XTC under the name The Dukes of Stratosphear -- they did two vinyl lps, now condensed into one mad cd Chips From The Chocolate Fireball. Loads of fun, I promise you. pb *Methinks it was the estimable Country Paul --admin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:30:45 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Songwriter credits, Ringo Starr Paul.......Tom....How ya' doin'? I agree that Ringo should've gotten some of the writers credit and royalties, but that's up to the parties involved. Maybe John and Paul thought being a drummer in the biggest group in the world was enough remuneration? On the other side of the coin, Al Cleveland, a former writer for Motown, told me a couple of stories. Al was out shopping with Smokey Robinson at some dept. store when a beautiful girl walked by. Smokey says, "M-m-m, what a fox!!", and Al replies, "I second that emotion!!" Another day, Al was walking down the halls of Motown, when he heard someone playing some unearthly, compelling music on the piano. He stuck his head in the room, saw it was his friend Marvin Gaye and said, "What's goin' on?" In each case, Al was rewarded with a co-writing credit on two of Motowns biggest hits by people who knew the value of having a great title. He also helped Smokey and Marvin finish the songs. What if John and Paul had encouraged Ringo to develop his writing skills? We might have more to talk about on Spectropop. regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:51:45 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Beatle myth/Monkees' demise John Clemente wrote: > With all due respect to them, I have heard members of groups > like the Shirelles and Cleftones, who made their marks in the > 1950s and early 60s, site Beatlemania as their downfall. > Have you ever heard The Cleftones' 1964 single on Ware Records, > "He's Forgotten You"? WE should forget it. What were their > producers thinking? Product like THAT is what killed The > Cleftones. ... John, your comment makes me think of "what are they thinking" when the Monkees released "D.W. Washburn". It wasn't the death of the TV show, it wasn't "Head", it wasn't Peter leaving, it wasn't firing Kirshner, it wasn't playing their own instruments. They were coming off a top 10 smash, "Valleri"!!! The beginning of the end was to me, definitely, the most lame song to come along by a top group in ages, "D.W. Washburn". Heck, B sides like the Canadian "She Hangs Out" or even "Tapioca Tundra" would have soared above "D.W."! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:42:40 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Songwriter Credits, General Question Paul Bryant wrote: > I have a question for the songwriters amongst you. > Some time ago Bill Wyman was trying to get some kind > of songwriter credit for various early Jagger/Richards > songs because he said his bass playing helped make the > records hits (I remember 19th Nervous Breakdown was > singled out for its diving bass runs). Was he being > ridiculous? I would say in the case of "19th Nevervous Breakdown" that it would be ridiculous. I have a boot tape of the Stones playing "Diddley Daddy" by Bo Diddley and the bass line is exactly the same as "19th, etc". So for him to claim ownership on an exact part he stole from Bo Diddley.......Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:30:28 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Beason Subject: cigarette commercial music Art Longmire: > I've always been a fanatical anti-smoker, but I've > got to admit there was a lot of great music used on > TV ads in the days of cigarette commercials. One of > my absolute all-time favorite tunes is "The Dis- > Advantages of You" by the Brass Ring, used in the > Benson and Hedges cigarette commercials. One of my favorites, too. Is that song available on CD? The liner notes to the Collector's Choice comp "Instrumental Gems of the '60s" say that the compilers wanted to include "Dis-Advantages" but couldn't find a decent source tape, so they went with the BR's "Love Theme From 'The Flight of the Phoenix'" instead. Too bad! How about the long-running "Marlboro Country" campaign, which featured the theme from "The Magnificent Seven"? Bob Beason -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 10:10:17 EST From: Bill George Subject: Jackie DeShannon doowop records? Someone recently wrote me asking about the following two records. I don't know anything about them, but hopefully someone here will (someone here always does!). I am assuming that they are Jackie DeShannon compositions, and may be included on some doowop compilations. Valley High -- Bill and Doree Post (Jackie DeShannon) I Don't Need A Diary -- Prudhomme Sisters (Jackie DeShannon) Jackie recorded a demo called Harbor High, so this is likely the same song. The other I've never heard of. Anyone know anything? Thanks for the help! Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:11:52 -0000 From: Martin Jensen Subject: Lou Johnson on the Bacharach box Hi Some time ago, I became aware of Lou Johnson via the Bacharach box. Lou's reading of 'Reach Out for Me' and 'Always Something There to Remind Me' just blows my mind! Incredible voice. According to, Collectables issued a CD of his Big Hill '60s recordings in the '90s, but it seems to be out of print. I can't find it anywhere online. Does anyone here have this disc? Is it any good, or, more to the point, do the other recordings he did for Big Hill stand up in comparison with the ones on the abovementioned box? I'd be interested in any info you might be able to share on this great singer. With regards, Martin, Denmark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:26:18 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach's poduction debut Mick, I don't believe you ever did reveal the name of Burt Bacharach's first production credit. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:11:12 -0800 (PST) From: Stewart Mason Subject: Anorak/skipping records Dr. Mark posits: > Not only ain't it being dumbed down, it's members > are getting smartened up! I had to get out the > Websters to look up ANORAK. I thought it must be > a misspelled word. But no... > anorak (ano rak) n. a heavy jacket with a hood, > worn in the cold north > So I assume you meant the chord references were > a bit "heavy" or over the top for the average > poster? Not by me. Good guess, but "anorak" is a UK slang term roughly analogous to "geek" in the US. I believe the term started getting applied to pop music in the UK indie circles of the mid-'80s, when there were a lot of scruffy little indie guitar bands -- many of whom wore anoraks -- whose music was supposed to hearken back to a simpler musical time. By which they might have meant 1977 as much as 1965. I've often thought that the social significance of the anorak might be related to that other often-derided UK subculture, the trainspotters. But trainspotters are traditionally meant to wear long brown overcoats, aren't they? Re "skipping" records: Help me, folks, I'm drawing a blank! One of Mike Batt's Wombles songs had an incredibly clever skipping gimmick that it used a couple of times, and I can't for the life of me remember what song it was! S -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:42:57 -0000 From: ModGirl Subject: Child is Father to the Man Al Kooper wrote: > BTW I just remixed CHILD IS FATHER TO THE MAN in 5.1 > Surround Sound and remastered the stereo tp SACD. > Dont know when they'll (SONY Legacy) release it but > it's darned good. I am really looking forward to this!!! Sincerely, ModGirl -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:01:09 -0000 From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Los Bravos - Make It Last I put out feelers for some of my songs that I wrote and lost due to my recent computer crash and just received an MP3 from Julio Nino which I'd like to thank him for. It was the song I wrote for Los Bravos called "Make It Last". Thanks, Julio. There are a few others song I wrote that I'm looking for, so if anyone has an MP3 on the following songs I would really appreciate your emailing me a copy. They are: Shadows On A Foggy Day - Frank Sinatra, Jr. Navy Blue - Susan Maughan version Get Back In De Bed - Evan Mitchell I also wrote a song for Patty Duke, but can't for the life of me remember the name of it. Maybe some Spectropopper can help me out. If anyone has any of the above, please email me offlist. Thanks, Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:29:06 -0000 From: Phil Hall Subject: My Name Is Mud To Ed Rambeau: My best friend in high school was Robert O'Gwynn, and his father, James O'Gwynn had a moderately big country & western hit in 1962 called "My Name Is Mud". Is it the same song as yours? Thanks, Phil Hall -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:04:30 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: varispeed listening I heard a couple stations that played "Imaginary Lover" sped up, mostly during the morning show. In 1984 a few stations were playing Bruce Springsteen's "I'm On Fire" LP cut at 45 for kicks, it strangly sounded like Dolly Parton! I also recall when the Chipmunk's "Chipmunk Punk" album came out in 1981. It was the 'munks covering new wave hits from that era (Blondie's "Call Me", The Knack's "My Sharona", The Cars "Lets Go"). Their record company released a promo 45 which my College Radio station added to the Top 40 rotation for fun. It was also a lot of fun to watch beginning DJ's freak out thinking they had put the record on the wrong speed! Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:41:04 -0000 From: Trevor Ley Subject: Re: Beatle Myth Doc Rock wrote: > PS The Beatles LOVED American early '60s music! To which Tom Taber replied: > Haven't we all met a Beatles fan who loves everything > they ever recorded, and at best is indifferent to, and > at worst loathes, anything from the Brill Building? > I'll never understand it. I'd say we have to blame youth for that kind of narrowness and the unfortunate need to "compartmentalize". Like how I ignored big band, Sinatra and such in the 60's as my Dad's horribly unhip and outdated junk. Now I collect it. I caught on very early how much of Beatle harmonies sounded like Everlys. Also recall in late 70's album rock radio how uncool it was to admit you loved Beach Boys. "Sailor" LP and that period made so many of us realize we'd been 'closet' BB fans all the time. Seems like often things have to get repackaged by someone in our own cultural niche to appreciate their influences. I investigted BB King becasue my hero, Clapton. How many Journey fans can hear ho well Steve Perry "did" Sam Cooke? Trevor Ley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:47:30 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Spine Shiverers / Big Finishes John Sellards wrote: > How about Billy Stewart's vocal ending on Summertime > (for that matter his whole vocal)? I always liked the way Stewart took the line "Your mama's rich" and strectched it into "Your mama's rich--sonoffab*tch". Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:39:13 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Japanese Lyrics to "Sukiyaki" Does anyone know where I might find the Japanese lyrics to "Sukiyaki" by Ryu Sakamoto, spelled out phonetically? I've always thought it would be a hoot to do a cover of this song. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:11:38 -0000 From: Trevor Ley Subject: Re: Joe Butler and Zally Mike wrote: > No one's yet mentioned Joe Butler's other great Spoonful > moment, "Butchie's Tune." That's always been my favorite > -- not only for Joe's heartfelt vocal, but also Zally's > incredibly tasty tremolo country licks. Mike, Right, great song. Butler also did the vocal on a great version of "You Baby" and always thought his smooth, almost crooner type voice filled out the bg harmonies on things like "You Didn't Have to be So Nice". BTW saw Sebastian at an outdoor "Taste of Dallas" event a few years ago, with Fritz Richmond and some of the other old cronies. Of course, the whole crowd sings along with "Daydream" and the other hits. I think he was taken aback with this weirdo leaning against a tree who knew ALL the lyrics like "I was down in Savannah, eatin' cream and bananas when the heat just made me faint" Trevor -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:11:43 -0000 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Patty Michaels Phil Milstein played a '72 version of "Tar & Cement" by Patricia Ann Michaels to musica and wrote: > The jury is still out on whether Patricia Ann Michaels is the same > singer as Patty Michaels…….. Who better to ask than Patty Michaels herself? I posed that question to her and at the same time asked for a little background on her 60s career to share with the gang at Spectropop - which she's checked out and loves, BTW. Patty was both touched and amazed that her records are remembered. Here's some of her reply: ******* "I'm still in shock; I never thought anybody heard my records, I thought they stayed on the I said, I had bad managers and bad promoters; they never did anything with my songs, except the William Morris agency booked me on 'Shindig!', 'Where the Action Is' and a couple of other rock shows. And yes, Helen Miller produced my song 'They're Dancing Now.'" "That has to be another singer, the 'Tar & Cement' song – I'm not the Patricia Michaels on it." "I was an original Murray the K dancer and singer in New York, when I was a kid. In the 60s I worked with the Animals, the Moody Blues, Graham Nash, the Nashville Teens, the Rolling Stones, Freddie and the Dreamers and Herman's Hermits....and all the American groups. We did all the TV specials with all the groups, and did all the holiday shows at the Brooklyn Fox theatre. I still have a teen magazine I was in from the 60s; it says 'My date with Paul McCartney'!!" "I'd love for you to pass this on to the guys at Spectropop. This is unbelievable......" ******* Patty may join the Spectropop ranks at some point - her mom's very ill in hospital right now - but if anybody has any questions for Patty in the meantime, post away and I'll pass them on and relay her replies. Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:01:01 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: That Alan Gordon There is some info here on Bonner and Gordon from one of Dawn's older interviews: -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:14:01 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Songs that "quote" others How about Alex Chilton mentioning the blues classic (dont know the original artist) "You Left The Water Running" at the end of the Box Tops "Cry Like a Baby"? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:51:29 -0000 From: C Ponti Subject: Re: Boone & Sebastian & Dylan Al Kooper wrote: > The pre Beatles college kid in Al Kooper's post is actually > Steve Boone. Went to the session with John S. and ended up > playing on two or three cuts. > What about the photos of Sebastian playing bass? Are you saying > that it's not Sebastian? I think not. WHAT trax did Steve Boone > play on? I know of none that were released. Al, The pics were of John, trust me. Remember the inspiraton for "House In The Country"? C Pont -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:02:46 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Royal Teens; Bobby Vee; JFK & the Beatles Al Kooper: > I did my time in The Royal Teens. Starting in 1958 at the ripe old age > of fourteen. Bob Gaudio and Leo Rogers gave me my pro start!!! The sax > player of note was titled Larry Qualiano - he played the parts on the > records. A 16-17 year old Jersey lad. Hope this helps. Sure does. You guys were good! Thanks, Al. Doc Rock wrote: > Bobby Vee and I have discussed how 99% of his fans in > the old days were female. Now 99% are male! Bob "Veefriend": > Over on the Bobby Vee Collectors Club Yahoo group I have roughly > 88% men and the balance women as members. I think nowadays, most > men that are Bobby Vee fans are into collecting his records. I got into Bobby Vee with "Laurie My Darling" and love his country-rockabilly side. Frankly, when new I tolerated some of the pop hits (didn't like "Run To Him" but loved "Rubber Ball") and very much liked his Crickets period and his British Invasion sound ("Look At Me, Girl"). The capper was the Robert Thomas Velline album, which proved his credibility as an overall musician, as if it needed further proof. Check out "Every Opportunity" and Buck (Ronny Daytona) Wilkin's "My God and I" to hear where Buddy Holly might have gone, and where Bobby Vee did indeed go. (He also did a great phone interview with me at WHCN when that album came out - a real gentleman.) I think if guys of the era got to his music early, they probably stayed with him through the "chick" songs. I know that for me it was a musical journey worth taking. Paul Bryant: > What still, perhaps, needs to be explained > is why it took America so long (one whole year) to catch up on > them - when the first 4 singles were released in 63 Americans > ignored them - and why only a few months later in January 64 > the whole country went completely mad for them. I have heard > the old theory about it being something to do with JFK - the > Beatles were giving American youth the excuse to have a good > time after weeks of national grieving - but I don't know if I > buy that. Paul, buy it. I was 18 when JFK was shot and I remember the day better than much more recewnt stuff. After an incredible funk that the country was in, we were ready for something. Also, the steady diet of "sugar" on pop radio was ready for something harder and better. Such records were lurking beneath the surface (check 1963's Ronnie Hawkins & The Hawks "Bo Diddley"/"Who Do Your Love" for a low-charting but kick-butt track driven by some future major players) but till the Beatles revealed themselves, there was no galvanizing personality (or in this case, personalities) to lead the emotional recovery. (I tell a story earlier in the archives about a Murray The K Record Review Board in July '63 with Del Shannon and the Beatles in competitive voting - Shannon got hundreds, the Beatles were in the single digits.) Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:25:53 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: The Mary Hopkin Song Contest There an interesting little story in Stefan Granados' 'Unofficial History of Apple'. Apparently (if I'm telling the story correctly) Paul McCartney held a contest among the writers signed to Apple publishing. The winner would get their song released as the B-side of "Goodbye." The story goes that the band Mortimer submitted a track among others who also submitted tracks. In the end, of course, the winner was the amazing "Sparrow" by Gallager and Lyle. And that leads me to this... Mary's interpretations of Gallager and Lyles tunes are among my favorite tracks by her. I have a video of he singing "International" that is simply stunning. I could also go on about her versions of Ralph McTell's "Kew Gardens" (never heard a bad versions of that song) and "Silver Birch and Weeping Willow". Mark Frumento -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:16:33 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: Unchained Melody Phil Milstein wrote: > An absolutely fascinating interview with "Hy Zaret", who > wrote the lyric to "Unchained Melody" at age 16 (with Der > Bingle in mind)... can be found at: Mick Patrick replied: > Talking of "Unchained Melody", it seems Al Hibbler had to > battle it out with Les Baxter, whose version actually outsold > his, reaching #1 on the Billboard chart. That great balladeer > Roy Hamilton also did very well with his reading that same year, > 1955, as did June Valli with hers. The song was a hit again in > 1963 for Vito & the Salutations (great), in 1968 for the Sweet > Inspirations (even better) and in 1981 for Heart (barf!). Sorry > if anyone's already said all this. Yet another great version of this is the one by Patti Labelle and the Bluebelles on Atlantic from 1965, produced by Bert Berns. I have a promotional copy of this and unbelievably, it's listed as the B-side. I remember seeing the movie "Unchained" back in the late 80's on television and being somewhat surprised that there was no vocal version of the song included, just an orchestral theme. Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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