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Spectropop - Digest Number 1297



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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Another (early) B-side instrumental and one more with lyrics!
           From: Mark Hill 
      2. Re: Scooby Doo
           From: Austin Roberts 
      3. Backwards Tommy James / Late '60s Brill
           From: Guy Lawrence 
      4. Re: Underdog ( ! ) 45 ????
           From: Fred Clemens 
      5. Re: sings the new sound from england
           From: Bob Celli 
      6. Re: Mary Hopkin
           From: Ken Mortimer 
      7. Re: Vocal treatments of Instrumentals
           From: Mikey 
      8. Los Bravos sing Eddie Rambeau
           From: Mike Edwards 
      9. Batman theme
           From: Joe Nelson 
     10. The Beatles and 1963
           From: Mike Edwards 
     11. Re: Vocal treatments of Instrumentals
           From: steveo 
     12. Re: Beatle Myth
           From: Tom Taber 
     13. Re: "I Think We're Alone Now" sdrawkcaB :eR
           From: Tom Taber 
     14. Re: Beatles Bands
           From: steveo 
     15. How Neato
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     16. Re: Emitt Rhodes article
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     17. Re: Billy Stewart
           From: Austin Roberts 
     18. Re: Four Evers Noisy CD
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     19. Re: 1963 from far away...
           From: James Botticelli 
     20. Re: spine-shiver songs
           From: Howard 
     21. Re: Boone & Sebastian & Dylan
           From: Al Kooper 
     22. Re: Sammy answer -- thanks
           From: Howard 
     23. Re: varispeed listening
           From: Robert R. Radil 
     24. Re: Concrete & Clay
           From: Mac Joseph 
     25. Re: Bobby Rydell
           From: Mike McKay 


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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:42:47 -0500 From: Mark Hill Subject: Another (early) B-side instrumental and one more with lyrics! Discussing several recent SP topics (K-Tel lps/instrumental B-sides) with an oldies DJ and he mentioned: ***"The fine 2-LP compilation, "Feelings," which had Andy Kim's "Rock Me Gently" - although it was actually the "Part 2" version (instrumental!)."*** And said that the KIM "Part 2" was the original B-side of the "Rock Me Gently" single. (And both versions are on the "ANDY KIM" ST-11318 LP) *That* then reminds of GARY GLITTER- "Rock And Roll- Part 2" (instrumental) and that the lesser known "R&R- Part 1" was the now familar instrumental "Part 2" version WITH LYRICS! One more related note of mine I ran across researching this- Can someone here confirm or deny that it's TONI WINE on the backing vocals of "Rock Me Gently." She and Andy Kim were from the same camp - as it were- and it sure sounds like her. "Dr. Mark" Hill * The Doctor Of Pop Culture -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 03:58:24 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Scooby Doo > Cool info for sure for us Saturday morning tune lovers. Of course, > "Pretty Mary Sunlite" was actually sung by Jerry Reed, as it was > part of the Scooby Doo Movies series. Actually I sang the original version of Pretty Mary Sunlite which still runs on the Scooby Doo cartoon shows. Jerry Reed did it in one of the Scooby Doo movies. > But I was wondering if Austin might share some insight on how he got > this Scooby Doo gig. Also, I've always thought the sound of "Seven > Days A Week" was very Archies. Obviously, the success of that musical > series was the impetus for the Scooby Doo tracks. But did Hanna > Barbera actually say they wanted an "Archies sound"? And how many > tracks did you record for the show? How did they present the idea, > seeing as there was no actual rock band in the show? Hanna Barbera had asked Danny Janssen (of Hey Little Woman, La La La fame) to produce the Scooby Doo cartoon show. I guess he liked the way I sounded on this kind of music, so I became the lead voice and wrote some of the songs with Danny. There was nothing said to me about doing an Archies type of vocal, but I'm sure the success of that show had a lot to do with there wanting to do Scooby Doo songs with a bubblegum type of sound. We did around 10 or 12 sides for the show as well as I can remember. I wrote Seven Days A Week and Pretty Mary Sunlite with Danny, as well as a couple of others for the show and we just did them in the style we were doing on the show. > Also, I have heard for years that an album was released in '69 or > '70 that included the music from the Scooby Doo series (like those > Archies & Josie & the Pussycats gems). I've never been able to find > any evidence of it, though, in my 20+ year search. Does it really > exist? After we did Scooby Doo, Danny asked Sue Steward (who sang Bds. with Mike Stull and me on the SD songs) and myself to help with the new Josie And The Pussycats cartoon show that Hanna Barbera asked him to produce after we finished Scooby Doo. I have 2 or 3 songs on that series as well. I know there is a CD somewhere on Scooby and I was recently sent a Josie And The Pussycats cd from a new friend on Spectropop. > The CD "Scooby-Doo's Snack Tracks" was released by Rhino in 1998. > The first half is pretty great, but it takes a turn toward the > unlistenable about halfway through when you get to the songs that > Hanna-Barbera wrote themselves. All I can say about those is that none of us were involved with the later songs. Thanks for your interest, Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:02:55 -0000 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Backwards Tommy James / Late '60s Brill Joe wrote: > What I've spent the past hour and a half putting together is hopefully > a little clearer. The two songs don't reverse exactly (i.e. an ABC > pattern in "Alone" doesn't equal a CBA in "Mirage"), so I created > edits of the two songs which did reverse, changing the order of events > around to mesh. A triumph! Good work Joe. Reminds me what a wonderful record "Mirage" is. Glenn wrote: > However, I am sure I can find the early Tommy James interview where > he made the statement that they reversed the chord sequence of "ITWAN" > to create "Mirage" With all due respect to the great Tommy James (never know who might turn up here these days) was he actually there? A lot of the credit for that great run of Shondells hits should go to Bo Gentry and Ritchie Cordell who produced and wrote most of them. It was probably Cordell who did the backwards trick as he wrote both songs. Someone was asking about late sixties Brill Building. Gentry and Cordell along with collaborators such as Bobby Bloom, Sal Trimachi, Jimmy Calvert, Phil Naumann and Norman Marzano very much represent the new breed who, although their names popped up on earlier records, came to the forefront in the latter half of the decade. Guy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TweedleeDumsDrive-In/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:29:12 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: Underdog ( ! ) 45 ???? OK "Dr. Mark", here's the scoop. Apparently it could be the original theme song from the TV cartoon sound track. First off, it's on LTY Records, with no apparent record number. No, I take that back. The sleeve says EP#1001, and is copyrighted "Leonardo- TTV, Inc. 1965". It's only numbers (on the label) are the the Columbia masters, ZTEP 106586,ZTEP 106587. The Jay and the Americans United Artists 948 sides it was confused with, ""Sunday And Me" and "Through This Doorway", used Columbia masters ZTSP 106057 and ZTSP 106058 respectively. Those sides were recorded on July 13, 1965, which also produced "Girl" and "Some Enchanted Evening" (both on UA #919), and "Stop The Clock" (UA 50086). Getting back on track, here's the side listing just as it appears on the Canine Crusader's record. SIDE 1 1. UNDERDOG'S THEME SONG 1:07 (Biggers - Covington - Stover - Harris) 2. HOW UNDERDOG SAVED THE THANKSGIVING DAY PARADE (Part I) 5:06 >From the Original TV Cartoon Sound Track "UNDERDOG" SIDE 2 HOW UNDERDOG SAVED THE THANKSGIVING DAY PARADE (Part II) 6:08 >From the Original TV Cartoon Sound Track "UNDERDOG" Publisher (on both sides): The Vincent Youmans Co., Inc. ASCAP One side of the paper sleeve features "THE UNDERDOG THEME SONG", with the original cartoon artwork (shades of orange and purple) of our proud Hero showing his determination to thwart the evil that men do. The other side promotes "HOW UNDERDOG SAVED MACY*S THANKSGIVING DAY PARADE!", with Underdog's in-air capture of Simon Bar Sinister and his henchman, Cad Lackey. No one is more disappointed than me that the correct tracks were not used. :-( Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:30:20 -0000 From: Bob Celli Subject: Re: sings the new sound from england Bob Hanes wrote: > ....it seems to me, all too appropriate that Bobby Vee > should do such an album. After all, Bobby was discovered > doing a Buddy Holly schtick, McCartney loved Buddy Holly, > the Beatles is a play on the Crickets. Heck Bobby even > recorded an album with the Crickets, I always thought it > was appropriate. It's his album with the Ventures I never > "got". Right Reverend, The album with the Ventures was of course a sales ploy by Liberty to put their two best selling acts on an lp, however, both Bobby and the Ventures did extensive touring of the far east and Canada in the early sixties, and became fast friends. Bobby's brother Bill was often asked to sit in with the Ventures on tour to beef up the act. They loved his playing using his thumbnail. I never was crazy about the material chosen but technically it is a great sounding session. Just pick up a copy of the two-fer on Collecatables. Hey Rev, if you "didn't get it" how would you like to have to write liner notes on that and sound convincing??? By the time I was finished writing, I had my self convinced the album made sense! Bob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:01:03 -0000 From: Ken Mortimer Subject: Re: Mary Hopkin Phil Milstein: > Does anyone know what Mary Hopkin does these days? I'm not too sure what Mary Hopkin is doing now. Apart from the reissued material (her Apple back catalogue and also the material she recorded in Welsh for Decca way back in the 60's), I haven't seen anything from her since the 80's. In the 70's she did some good stuff for Pete Knight and Bob Johnson (of Steeleye Span fame) on their album 'The King of Elfland's Daughter' (along with people like Alexis Korner and Pat Arnold). In the 80's she released a very nice album of classical pieces called 'Spirit'. Would be great to hear some new stuff - she's a rare talent. Ken -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:02:02 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Vocal treatments of Instrumentals I also might add that The Lettermen had a nice hit in 1965 with their EXCELLENT version of "Theme From A Summer Place" done in their stunning three part vocal style. The record sounds great even today. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:26:15 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Los Bravos sing Eddie Rambeau Hi Ed, The Los Bravos song you wrote was "Make It Last" (Parrott 3020, 1968), which was released as the b-side of their last US hit, "Bring A Little Lovin'". The February 2004 Collectors' Choice Catalog informs us that there is a new Los Bravos CD out on import. Quote: "25 tracks from the Spanish garage band, the most complete collection ever! Includes, of course, Black Is Black; Going Nowhere; Bring A Little Lovin'; I Want A Name, Brand New Baby; Make It Last and more (CD - $19.95)" Some of us put together a fan club site for Ed about a year ago under the guidance of Spectropop member, Rosemarie, an absolute wiz with all things web. You can find it at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rambeau_fan_club/ Go to the database section and you will find two listings: one of Ed's recordings, the second of the songs Ed wrote that were recorded by himself and other artists. It's duly noted that Shirley Matthews' "Big Town Boy" got to # 4 in Canada on January 27, 1964, almost 40 years ago to this day. If you go to Photos>Records, you'll find about 60 scans of the 45s recorded by Ed and the artists that recorded his songs. Lovers of the UK Stateside label will find a few of these here. The Kenny Lynch 45 is there as UK HMV promo. Belated thanks to members Frank Wright, Martin Roberts and Leonardo Flores (whatever happened to him?) for the materials they kindly made available. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:30:06 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Batman theme Surprised I never thought to ask this one before now - does anyone know if the TRUE recording of the Batman TV show theme has ever appeared on disc? Even the Neal Hefti and Nelson Riddle records turned out to be different recordings. I've been trying to search this out with a friend for years with no success. TIA, Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:35:39 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: The Beatles and 1963 Paul writes: > Although I love (some of) the American pop of 1963 it was filled > with the likes of Bobby Vinton and Bobby Vee and all those other > Bobbys and Frankies. Rubber Ball, bouncy bouncy. The Beatles > practically killed that style off. Doc replies: > You are just wrong. Go to the library and read my 1991 book, "The > Beatle Myth." Out of 10,000 records (that I just sold), my very > first was Bobby Vee's "Please Don't Ask About Barbara." And I kept > it when I sold the rest. But the claim that the Beatles killed of > American music is just plain wrong. And that's not just MHO. I > checked the charts! Maybe I'm over sensitive but I find Doc's response to be too much of a put down and of the type that discourages fans to post comments to Spectropop. Paul is offering an opinion and for him to have to go to the library to find the details behind your response is just plain unhelpful. Do we all have to go the library? It's sub zero here in the Northeast and I have no intention of leaving my home. Why not summarize your response on Spectropop? You never know, we may be then induced to buy your book. Paul, I believe, comes from the UK and the whole 1963 thing went down so differently over there. The media and record charts were dominated by newly sprung up UK beat groups with a consequent de-emphasis of American acts. Hit-making US acts such as Dion, Freddy Cannon, Bobby Vee, Chubby Checker, Duane Eddy, Connie Francis, the Everly Brothers and Bobby Darin saw their chart fortunes decline significantly in 1963. Conversely, Bo Diddley saw his first UK chart action in 1963 when he broke through with "Pretty Thing" indicating a shift in taste. (John Lee Hooker's "Dimples" charted in the UK the following year). Did the Beatles cause all this? I'm not sure but I enjoy reading and participating in discussions relating to this topic at my PC, if you know what I mean, Doc. Mike (who remembers John Peel playing Bobby Vee's "Please Don't Ask About Barbara" on the BBC in the 70s it is a class record) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:42:29 -0800 (PST) From: steveo Subject: Re: Vocal treatments of Instrumentals Frank wrote: > Actor James Darren released vocal versions of two > Duane Eddy instrumentals - "Because They're Young" and > "Gidget Goes Hawaiian",both on Colpix singles, etc... Frank, "Because They're Young", written by Don Costa, Aaron Schroeder and Ernest Gold, had a middle section that was really pretty. I discovered this by looking at a lead sheet of the song. This middle part is not heard on the Duane Eddy version. Also the lead sheet had words, and now I know who recorded it. I assume that Aaron wrote the words, since the other 2 men are more or less strictly musicians. Steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:00:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Beatle Myth Doc Rock wrote: > PS The Beatles LOVED American early '60s music! Haven't we all met a Beatles fan who loves everything they ever recorded, and at best is indifferent to, and at worst loathes, anything from the Brill Building? I'll never understand it. Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:47:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: "I Think We're Alone Now" sdrawkcaB :eR Glenn wrote: > Seriously, after hearing the segments you played to > Musica, Bob, there can be absolutely no denying that > the segment from "Mirage" is exactly "ITWAN" played > backward. It's stunning! Now, if I or anyone else were to go play "Eleanor Rigby" or "Satisfaction" or "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavor" BACKWARDS, and turned it into a hit song, where would I stand legally, if caught? Tommy James can't have a monopoly on songs where that would work. (I believe Dave Davies redid one of his songs that way, but it kinda sucked.) Does the writer own the notes in any direction? Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 10:04:54 -0800 (PST) From: steveo Subject: Re: Beatles Bands Al Kooper wrote: > In case any of you missed it, theres an album called Faith Hope & > Love by Kings X on Atlantic, About 9 years old I think. This is the > best pseudo Beatle album I ever heard because it supposes what The > Beatles might've sounded like in the 90's. I'll send ya your money > back if ya dont like it! Al, That's what i like about the oldies, such as the Beatles,etc. They will always sound like the '60s and not the nineties! lol (but i understand what you mean) Steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:33:27 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: How Neato While I'm typing this I'm watching the most interesting documentary flick on the Independent Film Channel -- name "Grateful Dawg". It encompasses the long collaboration between Jerry Garcia and David Grisman with a focus on the bluegrass/acoustic roots they shared before and during the success of the "Dead". They played and recorded together over the years in a number of bands including the group Old And The Way which had several manifestations and at least three or four albums. Great footage and great music along with interesting commentary and interviews. Most enjoyable and highly recommended. Their various incarnations covered a wide range of musical styles including an album of children's music. Hope I can find the DVD. I would have loved to call all of you and tell you to turn it on, but I'd rather return to watching it. Forgive me. Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:12:08 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Emitt Rhodes article previously: > Thought you folks might be interested in the cover story on > Emitt Rhodes that ran in yesterday's CityBeat out here in LA. Uh oh! Don't read this unless you're pretty well emotionally balanced. Scary and very, very sad. No di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:41:47 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Billy Stewart John Sellards wrote: > Gosh, give me "I Do Love You" any day over "Summertime", > which is a little overblown to me. That's one of the great > things about this group, we've all got slightly different > versions of pretty much the same taste in music! I agree wholeheartedly. I'm picking up info and opinions I would never find anywhere else. Onward! Austin R. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:56:14 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Four Evers Noisy CD T.T. signed: > Tom Taber, reasonable guy or anal-retentive > perfectionist - you be the judge! Reasonably anal-retentive? Here come 'da judge, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:13:58 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: 1963 from far away... previously: > The Beginning Of The End ... As later titled by Funky Nassau. > Let's hear it for '63 That was 1963?? Please elaborate? I have a 2003 remix of it but did not know it was covered by Beginning of the End. Who did the original????? And where oh where can I get it? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:28:31 EST From: Howard Subject: Re: spine-shiver songs I can't let this pass without adding my all-time favourite artist, who has definitely influenced so many performers down the years, I'm talking about the late great ROY HAMILTON. ... Dark End Of The Street, Earthquake, Baby You Shook Me Up, Cracking Up Over You, and so many more! cheers, Howard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:43:56 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Boone & Sebastian & Dylan > Do you have any memory of Steve Boone playing bass on a > Zimmerman session? I met you at Ralph's in Hollywood once years ago!! There is actually a photo of John Sebastian with a bass at a Dylan session. That is where THAT revisionism must come from. Dylan & Sebastian were pre-Spoonful pals. AK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:05:43 EST From: Howard Subject: Re: Sammy answer -- thanks Simon wrote: > Howard, it was "You Can Count On Me", which of course you knew, and I > can't remember the album title either, but it was on 20th Century. It > came up on Spectropop before I think. Steveo wrote: > There may be a reason why Sammy recorded that. His > former conductor and friend Morty Stevens wrote that, > before George Rhodes, his newer conductor, took over. Rat Pfink wrote: > don't know which album it was on but the title was "You Can Count >On Me" and it was the b-side of the 45 "Snap Your Fingers" (20th >Century 6162-101, 1976). Thanks Simon, Steveo and Rat P. I'm relatively new to Spectropop so sorry to those who have talked about this track previously. I guess Bobby Sheen has been done to death on the list too, as he was a 'Spector' artist with Bob B Soxx & The Blue Jeans!! Howard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 17:31:34 -0000 From: Robert R. Radil Subject: Re: varispeed listening Al Kooper wrote: > I gotta say that back in the days of marijuana, I quite enjoyed > perusing certain 45s at 33+1/3. That just reminded me of another example. Back in 1978 someone noticed that if you take the LP of "Imaginary Lover" by The Atlanta Rhythm Section and play it at 45rpm, the lead singer sounds a bit like Stevie Nicks! Someone told me that one station actually played it on the air that way! Bob Radil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 07:44:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mac Joseph Subject: Re: Concrete & Clay Ed Rambeau wrote: > Yes, Mac, it was recorded as a solo venture. Wasn't in any group > ever. I started in the recording business when I was 17. Dear Ed; Thank you for the response. I would love to hear your version. You can send it to max.weiner [at] igt.com. Once again, I must apologise about recognizing your name, but, that's what so great about Spectropop, you learn something new everyday! Take care, all the best!! Mac Joesph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:39:40 EST From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Bobby Rydell John Fox wrote: > ... The first line, > to match 9 notes of the tune, went "Telstar above, > send a message to my love..." (11 syllables). This must have been in > during Bobby's British cover period (love his Cockney pronunciation of > the word "lock" on World Without Love). A propos of this last point, I've yet to see a more convincing argument for the days of the "Bobbys" truly being over than Rydell's slaughtering of "World Without Love" on the Ed Sullivan show (caught it when VH-1 used to rerun these -- I don't know if it's out on one of the videos or not). There he was in full geek mode, snapping his fingers like some sort of bad Vegas lounge singer -- totally clueless as to how to put the song across. One of the cheesiest rock 'n' roll moments I've ever seen! Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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