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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Cherie anyone?
           From: AH 
      2. Re: varispeed listening
           From: Al Kooper 
      3. Re: Lead Vocal on This Diamond Ring
           From: James Botticelli 
      4. Re: Four Evers CD
           From: Mike Rashkow 
      5. Re: Ron Hicklin
           From: Doc 
      6. Re: Ed Rambeau
           From: James Botticelli 
      7. Re: Porpoise Song
           From: Chuck Limmer 
      8. Re: Brand New Day
           From: Phil Chapman 
      9. Re: Johnny Tillotson answers
           From: Austin Roberts 
     10. Re: Vocal Treatments of Instrumentals
           From: John Fox 
     11. Peggy Lee "Bewitched"
           From: Mick Patrick 
     12. Re: Spine Shiverers
           From: Austin Roberts 
     13. Re: "Porpoise Song" in stereo
           From: Doug Richard 
     14. Re: Len Barry "Keem-O-Sabe" / Kenny Lynch
           From: Richard Havers 
     15. Re: Concrete and Clay/My Own Two Feet
           From: Ed Rambeau 
     16. Re: Len Barry/Kenny Lynch
           From: Alan Warner 
     17. Re: Concrete and Clay / My photos
           From: Ed Rambeau 
     18. "Porpoise Song" in stereo
           From: Sean Streit 
     19. Re: budget vinyl / Elvis' Sun master tapes
           From: Steveo 
     20. Re: Variable Speed Oscilator/Hastening the track...
     21. Forthcoming 'Smile'
           From: Phil Chapman 
     22. Re: Label Blunders
           From: beegleaw23185 
     23. Sandy & the Sophomores ?
           From: Tony Baylis 
     24. Beatle Myth
           From: Doc Rock 
     25. Re: Sings The New Sound From England
           From: Al Kopper 

Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:59:54 -0000 From: AH Subject: Cherie anyone? Hi all, I've been digging James Darren's "Cherie" lately, written by Mike Leander and 2 others, recorded by Darren in 1967 and, reading between the lines at the ASCAP site, I take it he was the first to do so. I have heard another version by the Dutch band the Honest Men from 68. Anyone know of any other versions, or whether Darren's version is the original? Thanks! AH -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:47:44 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: varispeed listening > In the case of The Beatles, they also went the other way, > slowing down tracks recorded at normal speed. The most > notable example is "Rain," and this definitely had an effect > on the sound of the instruments. > Then of course, there's "Strawberry Fields Forever", with one > section speeded up and another slowed down in such a way that > two disparate takes recorded in different keys magically "matched". I gotta say that back in the days of marijuana, I quite enjoyed perusing certain 45s at 33+1/3. My two favorites were "I Cant Stand The Rain" by Ann Peebles, where the tempo and the cymbal crashes were magnificent. I used to play it for people and say it was Dan Peebles! I even covered the song myself at that 33 tempo 'cause I think that is the correct tempo for that song. The other one was "Bernadette" by The Four Tops. The greatest moment in that is at the end of the last chorus where the background girls hold a chord over the band stopping and their mutual vibrato is shivering at 33; only to be interrupted by Levi Stubbs screaming out that girls name with a fervid slowed down fever. Okay? See? I'm as crazy as the rest of you. I belong here Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 05:11:47 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Lead Vocal on This Diamond Ring Mikey wrote: > Gary sang most of the vocals, altho if you listen VERY > closely to some of the stereo mixes, youll hear Ron Hinclins > voice coming thru as the "guide" track for Gary. Al Kopper [Al Kooper]: > BTW thats Ron Hicklin - a famous LA vocal contractor who helped me > tremendously when I lived in LA He got all the backup singers for > all my LA solo albums and The Tubes first album that I produced. > I'm VERY impressed that you know that it's him singing lead on This > Diamond Ring as well as others Identity theft! Who is Al Kooper? Is it Al Kopper? Is it All Koper? Is it Al Koooper? Is it AllKper? C'mon Allll. Be all you can be. Find your past. DJJB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:53:25 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Four Evers CD Mark T: > This CD is a complete hack job. Good music, abominable > sound quality. There are many things that can be done to > make lousy vinyl sound better even if it's just a DAT > transfer through a sound enhancer. Absolutely nothing > was done with these recordings other than a straight > copy onto a CD. Thank you for saving me from this. I wonder if Stevie actually produced it? If you talk to him, ask him OK? Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:25:08 -0500 From: Doc Subject: Re: Ron Hicklin Al Kooper: > BTW thats Ron Hicklin - a famous LA vocal contractor who helped me > tremendously when I lived in LA He got all the backup singers for > all my LA solo albums and The Tubes first album that I produced. > I'm VERY impressed that you know that it's him singing lead on > This Diamond Ring as well as others When I interview Gary in 1989 for my 1993 book "Liberty Records", I was wondering how I could approach the issue of lead singers, if he'd be offended if I mentioned Ron. But Gary saved me by bringing it up himself! Doc -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:59:07 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Ed Rambeau Ed Rambeau: > my recording of "Summertime Guy". response: > Great record, Eddie; in a righteous world, it would have > been the smash it deserved to be. I can't believe I never > heard it when new, but at least now I know why! Piping in for that Swan Baby ~ It was a HUGE hit in Lexington Massachusetts on WCOP-AM (now defunk) in 1962. Me and my home boys did pre-karaoke to it the entire summer. so Eddie, as you were known then, you got the job done. JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:52:25 -0700 From: Chuck Limmer Subject: Re: Porpoise Song Country Paul asked: >My favorite Monkees 45 was "Porpoise Song," the full-length > version. I've only found this long version on the original 45, > and only in mono. I know there's a stereo mix of the "short > version" - up to the pause at the II minor 7 chord dominated > by the organ, but I've never found that long Beatle-ish fade > riff (for the not-yet-informed, think "She's So Heavy" is a > major key). Question: does it exist? If so, anyone know where? Paul, Currently, the 4:10 single version of "Porpoise Song" can be found in stereo on the compilation MUSIC BOX (Rhino R2 76706, 2001). According to the liner notes from MUSIC BOX, that track was first included on a couple of older collections, MONKEEMANIA (Arista/EMI MONK-1/2, 1979) and MONKEE BUSINESS (Rhino RNLP-701, 1982). Hope this helps! Chuck Limmer -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:09:15 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Brand New Day Al Kooper wrote: > 1970 - "Brand New Day" > STAPLE SINGERS > Stax 0074 > From Pat Boone to The Staple Singers is as yin-yang as I can manage Hey Al, your mention of "Brand New Day" triggered one of my earliest recollections of a studio 'scene'. I'd not long been working as a tape-op at Olympic Studios, London, which is legendary for the rock acts that recorded there. Being a bit of a U.S. soul freak I jumped at the rare opportunity to assist on a Patti LaBelle vocal session. We had three songs to work on, "See Me, Feel Me", "Miss Otis Regrets" and "Brand New Day". The first two only needed a couple of lines replacing here and there, but "Brand New Day" was to be a fresh vocal. The session kicked off OK, I seem to remember Vicki Wickham being present to start with, and the producer issuing directives was the flamboyant Kit Lambert, who preferred wine to tea or coffee. Patti was in good voice, and, even though my hand was welded to the record-button, it was a real thrill to see and hear her perform on a good song. All went well through the first verse and chorus, Patti was really giving her all, and although I thought Kit was being a little picky, overall it was turning out great. However during the playback, Kit's mother arrived at the studio, I think it was his birthday or something. Kit suddenly sprang into Hollywood mode, ordered another vat of red, and proceeded to "produce" the second verse syllable by syllable, effusing in-depth analysis of every line of the lyric, presumably to give Patti a deeper understanding of what she was singing. I lost count of how many times Patti sang that verse, it seemed to take an eternity. My wrist had locked-up through continually dropping in and out during phrases, and the engineer (Alan O'Duffy) had fallen asleep more than once. The torture eventually receded when Patti began to lose her voice, and Kit began to lose consciousness:-) I certainly learnt a lot on that session! To this day I cannot listen to BND without feeling a twinge in my bones. The vocal was eventually completed when we were all back to normal and I remember liking the end result, in full admiration of Patti's talent and perseverance. Did you get to hear this version? Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:29:39 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Johnny Tillotson answers Dan Hughes: > I'm a big fan of your recordings and my favourite one of all > is "I Rise, I Fall". What is the story behind this beautiful > song? How did it come about? I find it really touching and, > as always, your vocal performance on it is very sensitive and > perfect to bring out the beauty of the lyrics and melody. Rick Nelson did a great version of this song too. My favorite Tillotson records were Dreamy Eyes and Without You. Best, Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:06:28 EST From: John Fox Subject: Re: Vocal Treatments of Instrumentals Not sure if anyone's mentioned the vocal version of "Telstar" by Bobby Rydell. Someone (Kal Mann or Bernie Lowe?) force-fit some awful lyrics to the tune, made even worse by adding several extra syllables of music to make the words fit. The first line, to match 9 notes of the tune, went "Telstar above, send a message to my love..." (11 syllables). This must have been in during Bobby's British cover period (love his Cockney pronunciation of the word "lock" on World Without Love). John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 18:21:32 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Peggy Lee "Bewitched" Steveo: > Peggy Lee did a good rendition of the Bewitched theme song > years ago. I have it, and it is worth looking for. Ken: > Yes, I've heard Peggy's version of Bewitched and it's > tremendous. It's available on a CD in the EMI '2 on 1' > series - 'Pass Me By'/'Big Spender'. Excellent two-fer, that. Plus, it's in the sale at HMV for about #6. To my ears, these are the legendary Peggy's two most S'pop albums. She cut some cool stuff in the latter half of the '60s, several examples of which are on this CD: "Sneakin' Up On You" - written by Chip Taylor & Ted Daryll. "Bewitched" - they get the writers wrong on this CD. Idiots. "A Hard Days Night" - Peggy rocks. "That's What It Takes" - in a Nancy Sinatra mode. "You Don't Know" - R'n'B-style with possible "Northern" potential. "Gotta Travel On" - Tony Hatch-alike production. Oh well, back to my bag of marshmallows and "Is That All There Is". Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:41:32 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Spine Shiverers Joe Nelson: > That whole record fits the bill in my book. Something about > poor sound quality has always made records stand out for me. Hey Joe, I agree. It makes them original, I guess. Very hard to capture twice. Austin r. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:39:01 -0000 From: Doug Richard Subject: Re: "Porpoise Song" in stereo Bryan: >That long version -- 4:00 (Colgems single #66-1031, 1968) -- is > soon-to-be available again on an upcoming Rhino Handmade release, > 'Hallucinations: Psychedelic Pop Nuggets From The WEA Vaults (RHM2 > 7821). It's a fantastic collection, with great packaging, liner > notes, photos, etc. Just curious, but where did you get that information? Ever since ICE had a story about that CD and another called "Come To The Sunshine: Soft Pop Nuggets From The WEA Vaults" in their October 2003 issue, I've been looking for them. They were supposed to be released October 7th. I've been checking the Rhino Handmade website and they never have been listed there, that I'm aware of. Doug -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:51:05 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Len Barry "Keem-O-Sabe" / Kenny Lynch Tony Waitekus wrote: > The Electric Indian had a hit with the instumental Kemosabe. > I have a vocal version by Len Barry. The music track of that > song is the exact same track that became the Electric Indian > hit. Austin Powell: > Len's vocal version of "Keem-O-Sabe" was issued in the UK on > an album called "More From The 1-2-3 Man" on Bulldog Records > (BDL 1013)....The eleven tracks were his Amy and Scepter > recordings...The labels credited all the tracks as John Madara > productions whereas the sleeve listed the tracks as variously > being produced by Madara (including "Keem-O-Sabe"), Tom Cogbill > (Bob, Carol, Ted And Alice)and Leon Huff/Len Barry....The album > was also issued on Bulldog in Canada....copies are available on > the net for next to nothing.... I happen to have the Electric Indian album. It credits Len Barry as the producer for Marmaduke Inc. 'Keem-O-Sabe' is credited as arranged Tom Sellers, recorded at Sigma sound Phil. John Tarsia, engineer. Anyone any more info off the album? Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:00:53 EST From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Re: Concrete and Clay/My Own Two Feet Mac Joseph writes: > Got a quick question for you. Until I joined Spectropop, > I did not even know that there was an original version of > "Concrete and Clay", as Unit 4+2 was the only version I was > familiar with. I remember that song very well. Tell me, Ed, > did you record that as a solo venture, or were you in a group > at the time? I would be very interested in hearing your version > of this song. Yes, Mac, it was recorded as a solo venture. Wasn't in any group ever. I started in the recording business when I was 17. My first record "Skin Divin'" (written by the writers of Poetry in Motion) was released on Graduation Day. For a complete list of my work (DISCOGRAPHY and SONGOGRAPHY) go to and click on the link on the left that says MUSIC. At the top of the music page it will be clearly marked. If you'd like me to email you my version of "Concrete and Clay" just send me your email address and I'd be more than happy to send it to you. That goes for the rest of the Spectropoppers as well. Just be sure that your email provider has enough storage space for large mp3 files. Hotmail and Yahoo don't provide enough. Also, I'd like to reply to an earlier post. I just heard the Kenny Lynch version of "MY OWN TWO FEET" and it far surpasses the Hal Miller version in my opinion. Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:00:50 -0800 From: Alan Warner Subject: Re: Len Barry/Kenny Lynch And, further to Austin's facts about Kenny Lynch, Kenny was one of the guys on the front cover art of the Wings album "Band On The Run"; he's the second one from the left standing directly behind Paul McCartney! Rock on! Alan Warner -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:15:56 EST From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Re: Concrete and Clay / My photos Ed Rambeau: > my recording of "Summertime Guy". Country Paul wrote: > Great record, Eddie; in a righteous world, it would have > been the smash it deserved to be. I can't believe I never > heard it when new, but at least now I know why! Ed responds: > Yeah, it was the Chuck Barris thing. If it hadn't been for > that, I think it would have been a biggie. It was getting > a great deal of play until they discovered he wrote it. Ed again: > As far as "Concrete and Clay" being used in a national TV > came as quite a surprise. But boy did I > get the calls from friends the minute it hit the air waves. Coungry Paul wrote: > Hope you're getting good royalties! Ed responds: Not a penny. I didn't write it. Only the writers get royalties. By the way, a lot of folks have been emailing me asking why there are no recent photos of me on my website. So I'd like to make a general post about that. All the photos on the PHOTO page at were taken within the last 5 years (when I got my first digital camera). The most recent shot of me (taken Christmas 2003) is the uppermost left photo with the pink draped background. I just turned 60, but I've always looked younger than my age. In my 20s it was a pain-in-the-butt because I always got asked for my ID in bars. Boy, would I love to have those days back now. LOL. Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:06:42 -0500 From: Sean Streit Subject: "Porpoise Song" in stereo I'm pretty sure the Canadian single ["Porpoise Song"] is 4 minutes also. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:58:02 -0800 (PST) From: Steveo Subject: Re: budget vinyl / Elvis' Sun master tapes Mikey wrote: > Wyncote DID use really bad vinyl. It was C/Ps budget label > and I guess they wanted to maximize their profit. > John, one would really have to find original Sun discs and > clean them up a bit to really hear what Elvis sounded like. > RCA had a "thing" about Elvis -- they added echo to his > records like it was going out of style. Mikey, Perhaps they were worried that he couldn't sing conventionally, like Perry Como or Vaugh Monroe? and were worried. Dunno Steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:20:13 -0600 From: Subject: Re: Variable Speed Oscilator/Hastening the track... LP vs Singles: > "Baker Street" 3:45 promo edit - Gerry Rafferty, runs much faster. > "Baby Come Back" - Player, LP version runs slow to my ears. > "When You're In Love With A Beautiful Woman" 12" single - > Dr. Hook, runs much faster. How's about Wadworth Mansion's Sweet Mary? Single version is excellent, album version completely different and totally unlistenable. And the album's title is Sweet Mary! Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 22:30:12 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Forthcoming 'Smile' from Friday's Guardian: > Grin and bear it > When Brian Wilson had his nervous breakdown in the > 1960s, he was working on a concept album called Smile. > His fellow Beach Boys dismissed it as 'a whole album of > Brian's madness', and for years Wilson would not even > talk about it. Yet now he is taking the album on the road. > Sylvie Simmons visits him in his Beverly Hills home.... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:14:50 -0000 From: beegleaw23185 Subject: Re: Label Blunders London American HLU 9632 - I'm Gonna Go Walkin' / Born To Be With You by Chimmy Gilmer. No mention of The Fireballs and I do believe that this was Jimmy Gilmer's first vocal release, at least in the U.K. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:33:05 -0000 From: Tony Baylis Subject: Sandy & the Sophomores ? Anybody familiar with this group? Columbia 43129. A side is a pretty decent uptempo song 'There Was A Night On the Water' with the B side being a cover of Smokey Robinson's 'You Got A Hold On Me' ('Really' left out of the title although included in the song itself). Both sides produced by Don Law and Frank Jones. Circa 1965, 'There Was A Night' has an intro reminiscent of the mid 50s, leading into what is basically a single female lead with the 'Sophomores' sounding more like a Liz Damon's Orient Express or Mike Curb's Congregation type backing. Tony Baylis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 10:19:48 -0500 From: Doc Rock Subject: Beatle Myth Paul writes: > Although I love (some of) the American pop of 1963 it was filled > with the likes of Bobby Vinton and Bobby Vee and all those other > Bobbys and Frankies. Rubber Ball, bouncy bouncy. The Beatles > practically killed that style off. You are just wrong. Go to the library and read my 1991 book, "The Beatle Myth." Out of 10,000 records (that I just sold), my very first was Bobby Vee's "Please Don't Ask About Barbara." And I kept it when I sold the rest. Taste is one thing. If you don't like Bobby Vee, fine. I don't like Bobby Vinton! BTW, how many "Frankies" were there? I know of just the one. But the claim that the Beatles killed of American music is just plain wrong. And that's no tjust MHO. I checked the carts! Long Live 1963 and Bobby Vee! Doc PS The Beatles LOVED American early '60s music! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:05:57 EST From: Al Kopper Subject: Re: Sings The New Sound From England Previously: > and the ill fated "Sings The New Sound From England" I actually like that album. It was obviously an attempt by Bobby Vee to "steal" the Beatlesound before it acrtually got over here, but those Merseylads moved just a little too fast for the Bobmeister. To me it's like having an extra dose of Lennon-McCartney early tunes on hand. Imitation? Why yes....but quite well done and the sincerest form of flattery. Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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