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Spectropop - Digest Number 1283



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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Royal Teens trivia / Planet Rock
           From: Dr. Mark 
      2. Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes
           From: steveo 
      3. Love this board.....
           From: Dan Hughes 
      4. Re: Del Shannon
           From: Doug Richard 
      5. Re: Elvis master tapes
           From: Rex Strother 
      6. Re: Bubblegum
           From: GEORGEROBERTSON@aol.com
      7. Re: Sock It To Me Time: Strawberry Alarm Clock on "Laugh-In"
           From: Bobster 
      8. Re: Austin, thanks for asking
           From: GEORGEROBERTSON@aol.com
      9. Biggest record label blunders!
           From: Steve Grant 
     10. Re: Bubblegum
           From: Michel Gignac 
     11. P.J. Proby Question
           From: Mark Frumento 
     12. Biggest record label blunders!
           From: Al Quaglieri 
     13. Re: Biggest record label blunders!
           From: Fred Clemens 
     14. Re: Lorna dune/Geld/Udell/Good Vibrations/short records/spine ti...
           From: Bobster 
     15. Re: Backwards on the A-side and elsewhere
           From: Bobster 
     16. Re: lyrics to instrumentals
           From: Chris Schneider 
     17. Re: I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know
           From: Al Kooper 
     18. Re: Label Blunders
           From: andrucharlz 
     19. Re: lyrics to instrumentals
           From: Mike 
     20. Austin Roberts Live ?
           From: Orion 
     21. Re: Peter Shelley
           From: Stewart Mason 
     22. Re: sediS-B sdrawkcaB fo noitalipmoC :eR
           From: Robert R. Radil 
     23. Re: Why Beatles?!!
           From: Phil Milstein 
     24. Steve Tudanger & the Four-Evers
           From: Al Kooper 
     25. Wilson / Dylan
           From: Bob Hanes 


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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:40:39 -0500 From: Dr. Mark Subject: Royal Teens trivia / Planet Rock Al Kooper wrote: > I did my time in The Royal Teens. Starting in 1958 at > the ripe old age of fourteen. Hi Al, Joel Whitburn's Top Pop Singles 1955-1996 says you "joined the group for a short time in 1959." But who's to argue with the horse's mouth?! Right? I guess you weren't on "Short Shorts" (is that right?), because it says here that it was first released on Power 215 in 1957. (Hit 01-58 on the ABC-Paramount label.) Also noted is that the flip side of "Short Shorts" was called "Planet Rock". Seems like an awfully forward-thinking title for the late '50s. What kind of a song was that? ("Planet Rock" was later the title of #48 rap hit for Afrika Bambaata in 1982.) And checking my bubblegum notes, I have a question mark if Jeff Barry was ever involved with The Royal Teens? Anyone? ... Dr. Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:20:09 -0800 (PST) From: steveo Subject: Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes John Sellards wrote: > Does this mean that the actual tape for this session > has turned up (the Sun session, not "Do The Clam")? > Every reissue I've heard - and I don't have "Sunrise" > or anything more recent, which may be better - it sounds > fuzzy and as if reverb had been added. When did they find > this tape? John, I would suggest to you that all that echo and was added in on the board as it was recorded. The fuzz was probably just the distortion of Sam's recording equipment at the time. Steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:23:09 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Love this board..... I'm a big fan of old (REALLY old) radio shows, and I've read a lot of biographies of old-time radio actors., people like Jack Benny and Groucho Marx. And one thing I always envied about those folks was that they frequently had famous people drop by for dinner or a bridge game, or just to visit. I always envied that lifestyle! And now I realize, the same thing is happening to us. The celebrities may not stop by the house in person, but they drop in to chat with us here on Spectropop, many of them almost daily. And we don't have to worry about straightening up the house for them! Thanks again, board admin guys, for making this all possible.... --Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:27:39 -0000 From: Doug Richard Subject: Re: Del Shannon I don't think anyone has mentioned that the Del Shannon/Andrew Loog Oldham material was released in the US in the early '90s on the Del Shannon "Liberty Years" CD. It's out of print now, but it's not that hard to find. If you love Pet Sounds, you really need to hear these tracks. Doug -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:30:56 -0700 From: Rex Strother Subject: Re: Elvis master tapes Let's get a jump on this and start dicing up Britney Spears' master tapes now! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:28:11 EST From: GEORGEROBERTSON@aol.com Subject: Re: Bubblegum Mark T wrote: > What about you Austin? Do you still perform at all? > It would be great to see you on one of these BG > package tours. I appreciate the question. I quit recording in 1977 when my son was born (I had averaged 7 months a year for about 10 years and missed a loy of the early fun with my first daughter, born in 1970). Anyway I wanted to concentrate on writing which has been great to me, especially in Nashville. It's funny you'd ask becaause I'm performing for the first time in 25 years for my friend Gene Hughes' Benefit in Nashville in February. I 'll probably get the bug again and maybe do some more dates since my 3 kids are grown now. Also,I'm interested to see if I can remember any lyrics. Ha, who knows, but I used to love performing Thanks for asking, Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:08:04 EST From: Bobster Subject: Re: Sock It To Me Time: Strawberry Alarm Clock on "Laugh-In" I'm three days late, Mark, so this may have already been answered. The song SAC was performing was "Tomorrow", their marginally successful follow-up to "Incense & Peppermints." Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:14:19 EST From: GEORGEROBERTSON@aol.com Subject: Re: Austin, thanks for asking Artie, So sorry about your health lately but it sounds like you're feeling better, great! Man,I love Meet Me at Midnight Mary. Didn't Alan Rinde and Toni Wine get married recently? Don't know Alan well,but have collaborated and done some background work with toni, who is a super lady. As far as what you're doing now,I 've had about 30 songs in movies,including the Oscar nominated Over You (with Bobby Hart) from Tender Mercies so I would be interested in talking with you further on what you're doing. Hope you continue to feel better. My best to you, Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:40:18 -0500 From: Steve Grant Subject: Biggest record label blunders! Previously: > Anyone else have any other blunders to add? Let's hear from ya! "Congradulations" on the Stones' 12x5 LP. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:48:54 -0000 From: Michel Gignac Subject: Re: Bubblegum Dan Hughes asked: > Anybody know the origin of the term Bubblegum music? I first heard it > used to describe Yummy Yummy Yummy by the Ohio Express, then the other > Buddah hits that followed: 1910 Fruitgum Co, Ohio Express, et al. Was > the term in use before that? Dan, I don't know exactly when the term was first used, so I'll give only my impressions. Did you hear the term "bubblegum music" when "Yummy Yummy Yummy" has been released (mid '68) or was it only a bit later? When I bought 1910 Fruitgum Co. album "Simon Says" in the '70s, I found that there was a track on it, called "Bubble Gum World". The LP was released in April of '68. On March of '69, Buddah released the various artists album "Bubble Gum Music In The Naked Truth". So the word was widely known then. The first time I heard this term, it was on January of '69 when two songs, both titled "Bubblegum Music", were playing on radio. One by The Sweet Bippies (on A&M label), the other by The Rock And Roll Dubble Bubble Trading Card Company Of Philadelphia 19141 (!!) on Buddah label. They were two different songs. They were surely already recorded in 1968. But they were obscure singles. Now we know who first used the term, but anybody can tell when it was first used and when it was generally used to describe that kind of music (not only used by Kasenetz & Katz) ? Michel Gignac. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:27:35 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: P.J. Proby Question I have a demo of a song that I believe is called "Didn't Give A Damn" by P.J. Proby. Was this song released? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:55:49 -0500 From: Al Quaglieri Subject: Biggest record label blunders! Denny wrote: > Two playing time blunders: > Hold Your Head Up by Argent: The original single (Epic 10852) shows > the correct playing time of 3:15. Epic Memory Lane and grey label > reissues also include the single version, but the labels show the > full LP version playing time of 6:15! I think you'll find a lot of playing time blunders on newer CD compilations. So many of them are put together with impossibly tight deadlines, and the packaging has to be completed a week or more before the master is due. So often the printed time is what the producer reasonably expected it to be before the artist, the label, or time considerations forced a last-minute change. Then, of course, there are just plain F-ups. Hee! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:15:50 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: Biggest record label blunders! Denny wrote: > The most famous blunder is most likely "Please Please Me" by > The "Beattles" (Vee Jay 498) I seem to recall seeing a book awhile back showing UK releases of some Beatles records showing the spelling as "The Beattles", so I hardly think it was a blunder. > And get this: I picked up what I thought was a copy of "Do It (Till > You're Satisfied)" by B.T. Express. (Scepter/Roadshow 12395). > Placed it on the turntable, and to my surprise and shock, the song > turned out to be "I Shot The Sheriff" by Eric Clapton! A couple years ago, I picked up a record that was supposed to be "The Underdog Theme", from the popular 1960's cartoon, complete with a picture cover. Instead, it played Jay and the Americans UA release of "Sunday And Me". Evidently the master numbers were close and no one was paying attention when it was pressed. Long before that, I picked up the Fat's Domino Anthology (early 70's) that played some weird live concert. Needless to say, I took it back and exchanged it for the right copy. Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:49:29 EST From: Bobster Subject: Re: Lorna dune/Geld/Udell/Good Vibrations/short records/spine ti... Thank you, Artie Wayne. I assume you're referring to The Banned's beautiful blatantly anti-war song, "It Couldn't Happen Here." Even better was "Goodbye Groovy Goodbye" b/w "A Blanket of Sound", which if I have to guess just didn't catch on. Both terrific tunes! ! ! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:28:35 EST From: Bobster Subject: Re: Backwards on the A-side and elsewhere Yeah, isn't that final minute or so on BALAKLAVA spine-shivering! You feel as though you're crash-landing out of a nightmare (or a very weird dream) and then suddenly it STARTS to slow down and then you hear, just as in the opening: "I am Trumpeter Landfrey......" as if to suggest that the entire cycle of blood, sweat and suffering begins again. But seriously, folks. Cher's "Believe" is a truly stupendous achievement. I even dare say it's one of the best disco records that DIDN'T come out in the 7Ts. Not quite enough to make me give up my obsession with Northern Soul, but close! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:53:54 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Schneider Subject: Re: lyrics to instrumentals Dr. Mark: > As I uncover, research and learn more about pop music, I'm > finding more vocal versions of big instrumental hits that I > never knew. I'd be willing to bet that every one of those > instrumentals has eventually or originally had a lyrics version. A good example of that might be the vocal version of Neil Hefti's "Odd Couple" theme, which has some quite adroit lyrics by Sammy Cahn. Perhaps, though, Cahn's words articulated what others might've preferred to be left inarticulate: "As I've indicated, "They are never quite separated They are peas in a pod. "Don't you think that it's odd?" (Why do I keep imagining this as a single by Pansy Division, coupled with Paul Simon's "Old Friends"?) I'm also kinda fond of the dippy vocal version of the "That Girl" theme -- composed by, of all people, Earle Hagen of "Harlem Nocturne." But the one that's really good, though, the one I'd recommend to anyone under any circumstances, is the vocal version of David Raksin's "Bad and the Beautiful" theme, with first-rate lyrics by Dory Langdon (soon to be Previn). People like June Christy and Tony Bennett recorded "Bad and the Beautiful." As for the Hefti ... the versions tended to be non-vocal. "The People Up-Front Don't Know Of The Battles You Wage, "Back-Stage ..." Chris -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:02:53 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know Martin wrote: > Al, I discovered your '69 single "You Never Know Who Your Friends Are" > last year through the "Rare + Well Done" collection, and that song > definitely represented one of that year's great discoveries. I don't > know how you feel about this song, but I really like it & the > production. > I was also wondering... have you heard the late Donny Hathaway's > take on "I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know"? It's on > his "Extension of a Man" album..... A great rendition, IMHO... 'You Never Know...." was the most blatant attempt I ever made at trying to construct a hit single. It's subsequent failure to become one instantly cured me of that particular affliction and I got back to music for music's sake again. I do however harbor a fondness for that track especially the instrumental fade with the blaring guitars in three part harmony. Donny Hathaway's versin of ILYMTYEK changed my life. It became the definitive version of the song and turned many future R&B artists on to it. It's the most covered song in my catalogue with versions by Carmen McRae, Kenny Latimore, Dakota Staton, Cold Blood and Tony Toni Tone just a few that come to mind. Every Friday night on the David Letterman show approx. 13 mins before the end of the show, Paul Shaffer sings the song and a special guest comes and puts a cape around him James Brown-style. This has been going on almost three years now every Friday unless it's a repeats week or Dave is not on the show. Some of the "cape guests" have been Donald Trump, Solomon Burke, Cyndi Lauper, Bill Morray, Nathan Lane, and even James Brown himself, believe it or dont. This exposure has not hurt the song either. al kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:05:48 -0500 (EST) From: andrucharlz Subject: Re: Label Blunders Denny wrote: > Anyone else have any other [label] blunders to add? Let's hear from ya! I have a single on the Ardent label by its most famous act, the early-70s cult band Big Star. The label says the songs are "Don't Lie To Me" b/w "Watch the Sunrise." Well, on my copy, the B-side in the grooves is indeed "Watch the Sunrise," but the song in the grooves on the A-side is "Thirteen," a different track from their first album. And from what I hear, other "combinations" were put out as well! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:15:53 -0500 From: Mike Subject: Re: lyrics to instrumentals Dr. Mark wrote: > I wonder if there's a vocal version of WIPEOUT! Bet you guys didnt know that there is a VOCAL version of The Ventures "Walk Don't Run"!! mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:26:07 -0600 From: Orion Subject: Austin Roberts Live ? Austin Roberts: > my friend Gene Hughes' Benefit in Nashville in February. I 'll > probably get the bug again and maybe do some more dates since my > 3 kids are grown now. Also,I'm interested to see if I can remember > any lyrics. Ha, who knows, but I used to love performing. Austin, I believe you will be terrific. If you get anywhere near Omaha, NE please let me know. I wouldn't miss a concert by you. Orion -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:47:09 -0800 (PST) From: Stewart Mason Subject: Re: Peter Shelley Austin Powell writes: > Mark...I can't fill in any personal details but Ben Findon > started producing records in the late sixties...He had "Easy > Squeezy" by the Love Children (featuring "Little Joe") issued > on Deram in 1969. The song was written by Ben and his partner > Pete Shelley..... Ah, now this reminds me...what all has Peter Shelley done? (Note to my fellow punk fans: no, he's not the singer/songwriter from the Buzzcocks, that's a different one.) I ask because Peter Shelley's son, John Southworth, is among my favorite singer/ songwriters of the last ten years. Spectropoppers should in particular look for his debut album MARS PENNSYLVANIA (all of his albums so far have had place names as their titles), which is probably the great sunshine-pop record of the '90s, an album that takes Van Dyke Parks' SONG CYCLE, Harpers Bizarre, Bacharach, SMILEY SMILE, Roy Wood-era ELO and Paul McCartney's solo work as its starting points and turns them all into something uniquely his own, with lyrics that rarely settle for the usual lost-love cliches when there are songs to be written about abduction by UFOs, dying mountain towns, sweets obsessions and the love of a good female astronaut. Although John Southworth is British, he lives and works in Toronto; Ontario-based Spectropoppers can occasionally see him live at the Rivoli. S -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:49:46 -0000 From: Robert R. Radil Subject: Re: sediS-B sdrawkcaB fo noitalipmoC :eR Me: > This is going a little off your topic but "Mirage" by Tommy James > & The Shondells is based on "I Think We're Alone Now" played > backwards. Glenn: > Myth. Total myth. Myth? Give me a few days to locate the 2 songs. I'll then reverse "I Think We're Alone Now", attach it to "Mirage" in an MP3 for all to hear. Bob Radil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:43:08 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Why Beatles?!! Paul Bryant wrote: > ... How many classic rock & pop songs before the > Beatles were written by British people? Move It, Shakin' All Over; Telstar; maybe one or two others. I wonder if The Beatles were influenced at all by J. Kidd & his Pirates. > So I really don't think it's difficult to see why the Beatles > were a big success. What still, perhaps, needs to be explained > is why it took America so long (one whole year) to catch up on > them ... I think there was a natural resistance here at the time to such imports, if only because we felt we had enough talent here to cover all our musical needs. But The Beatles' force was so undeniable that that resistance caved pretty easily to it. The build-up, anticipation and hype prior to their breakthrough is indicative of that, because if they didn't "have it" they'd have been laughed all the back to Liverpool. > I have heard > the old theory about it being something to do with JFK - the > Beatles were giving American youth the excuse to have a good > time after weeks of national grieving - but I don't know if I > buy that. For that to have been true suggests that had there been no assassination attempt The Beatles never would've broken through here, or at least their acceptance would've been greatly muted. But their music itself denies that possibility -- again, it was simply too strong to resist. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:56:20 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Steve Tudanger & the Four-Evers The S'pop Team: > Readers are recommended to avail themselves of two more Coke ad > demos freshly installed @ musica. Both were written and performed > by Ellie Greenwich, Mike Rashkow and Steve Tudanger: Wasn't Steve Tudanger in the Four-Evers on Smash & Constellation? I loved that group! They covered onre of my songs called "Stormy." Al Kooper. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:02:10 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Hanes Subject: Wilson / Dylan During the '90s when both Bob and Brian were living in the "Malibu Community" they got together and Dylan put his voice on a BW song called The Spirit of Rock n Roll. Sometime after that Dylan was quoted as saying about Wilson. "that Brian Wilson's ears belong in the Smithsonian", and in another article, "Brian Wilson must have about a million melodies in him". I don't remember the exact sources,but my recollection is that is was either MoJo and/or a similar British music publication. The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, Church of the Harmonic Overdub -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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