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Spectropop - Digest Number 1282



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               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Spector Biography
           From: Paul Bryant 
      2. Re: Ben Findon
           From: Simon White 
      3. Re: Bubblegum
           From: Frank Uhle 
      4. Re: Obscurities Online?
           From: Superoldies 
      5. Re: Smile in London
           From: J. Berg 
      6. Re: Norma Tenega
           From: Mac Joseph 
      7. Re: "Bubblegum" / Nyro's name / Billy Ocean / Dylan-Wilson
           From: Phil Milstein 
      8. Re: Ben Findon
           From: Cleber 
      9. Re: Norma Tenega
           From: Art Longmire 
     10. Al and Hit Parader magazine
           From: Dan Hughes 
     11. Question For Al Kooper
           From: James Botticelli 
     12. No Greater Sin
           From: Dan Hughes 
     13. Re: Norma Tenega / Automated Artie
           From: Phil Milstein 
     14. Smothers Brothers, Laugh-In Musical Acts
           From: Art Longmire 
     15. Re: Gary Lewis et al
           From: superoldies 
     16. Re: Ben Findon
           From: Mark T 
     17. Navy Blue vs Midnight Mary
           From: Ed Rambeau 
     18. More Coke ads @ musica
           From: S'pop Team 
     19. Re: Concrete & Clay
           From: Ed Rambeau 
     20. Re: Why Beatles?!!
           From: Paul Bryant 
     21. Re: Norma Tenega
           From: Doug Richard 
     22. Re: lyrics to instrumentals
           From: Fred Clemens 
     23. Re: Rag Dolls / G. Lewis & Playboys
           From: Bibi LaRed 
     24. Biggest record label blunders!
           From: Denny 
     25. Re: Female collectors; spine-shiver songs
           From: Country Paul 


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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:44:32 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Spector Biography Dear Poppers, Anyone know anything about the new Spector biography called "Wall of Pain" by Dave Thompson? Strange kind of title though. pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:31:35 +0000 From: Simon White Subject: Re: Ben Findon Unless I am very much mistaken, Ben Findon was in part responsible for putting The Nolan Sisters on the U.K. chart map. If you are outside the U.K. The Nolans will mean little to you - although they could have been big in Iraq for all I know - but U.K. residents or ex-pats will know them for their very poppy records that plagued the British charts and airwaves for a while. They were Irish, but moved to Blackpool. The group's iconic hit was "I'm In The Mood For Dancing", a hardcore staple of a certain generation of British wedding deejays (ahem) and one that will keep a Village Hall dancefloor filled if you wack it on after Abba's "Dancing Queen," without pausing for breath or a stiff drink. There is a rather nice 45 by Sharon Benson with Ben Findon's name on it entitled, "Get It Over With," which could well be a track intended for The Nolans. It maybe of some interest to an element of the Spectropop group, in thatis a kind of swingalong Motown groove. I must confess I have danced to this record in my youth in a club that dare not speak its name. Bernadette Nolan went on to have an acting career in the long running soap opera "The Bill" and there are those on this forum that know more about that than I can shake a stick at. Ben Findon's Billy Ocean 45s are good and I can recommend them to any of you that like a bit of a Motown-inspired dance. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:45:28 -0500 (EST) From: Frank Uhle Subject: Re: Bubblegum On the subject of Bubblegum music, specifically the 1910 Fruitgum Company, I saw the reformed band (with original members on drums and guitar) in New York about a week ago, and they were quite good! Their show (a half-hour set performed as a showcase for booking agents) was a blend of their hits ("Simon Says," "Goody Goody Gumdrops," "Indian Giver," "May I Take a Giant Step," "1,2,3 Redlight") and oldies of the era ("Nowhere Man," "She'd Rather Be With Me," "Midnight Confessions," etc.). I talked with original members Frank Jeckell (guitar) and Floyd Marcus (drums), for a bit after their sound check, and they seemed very nice. (Frank was telling me of a gig they did in '68 with the Blues Magoos, whose electric suits failed to light up, whereupon Floyd quipped, "Maybe they should have called the Electric Prunes!"). Those two handled most of the vocals on their own songs at the showcase, while other members (new to the band, but about the same age as the originals - wonder if any of them were in noteworthy bands back in the day?) did vocals on some of the other tunes. They sang well - Floyd in particular had an excellent voice, I thought. Overall, they stayed true to the records (as expected), but were clearly having fun and the audience of 50 or so enjoyed the show. Their website has a bio and mp3s of recent recordings of their hits, as well as booking info, if anybody is interested... http://www.1910fruitgumcompany.com/ Frank Uhle -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:56:07 -0000 From: Superoldies Subject: Re: Obscurities Online? In regards to this question I have to blow my own horn - www.superoldies.com - lots of obscurities free, and 24/7. And in regards to the "pulling the tape & bake it" idea, I too thought old tapes had to go through this process. When looking for Tony Bellus masters (late 50s to early 60s) I found out that most tapes (excluding the real cheap brittle brands) from the 50s & 60s are fine. Tony got his off the shelf after 40 years and they were in pristine shape. Not exactly sure on the details, but it was during the '80s that a whale embargo/killing ban forced Scotch and others to switch from one ingredient in their tapes to using something different. The oil they used in the tape breaks down & causes it to disintegrate after a few years, and quite a few '80s era tapes are in bad shape. I did a project for a group that recorded for the Blind Pig label in 1986, and their tapes fell apart on the reel as it was being transferred! Maybe someone knows the fine details about the ingredients that were changed and caused this. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:08:48 EST From: J. Berg Subject: Re: Smile in London The other thing about buying records and CDs in London or anywhere in Europe: bring LOTS OF MONEY! If Tower in Seattle has something for $15, it will be 12-15 in London -- which is currently about 1.75 times as much money! Yes, the selection can be super, but you must be prepared to pay the piper. During my 5 weeks in the UK last summer I bought perhaps $300 worth of stuff I cannot find over here, yet still had to draw the line somewhere and left behind at least that much stuff in "wish-I-coulds". J Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mac Joseph Subject: Re: Norma Tenega Ed Rambeau wrote: > I haven't seen or heard from Norma Tenega since I recorded "I'm The Sky". > I really don't even remember her at the recording session. Ed; The last I heard, Norma was living out in Claremont California, where she paints. From what I know, after "Walkin my Cat" (which is still one of my all-time favs), she went to Europe for a while. Mac Joseph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:08:27 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: "Bubblegum" / Nyro's name / Billy Ocean / Dylan-Wilson Austin Powell wrote: > Dan...In the notes for Volume One of Varese Sarabande's "Bubblegum > Classics" series (1995), the term "Bubblegum" is credited to Kasenatz- > Katz....The story went: Buddah's boss Neil Bogart asked K-K how > they'd describe their music..."We would call it bubblegum....it's > a happytime, children's type of thing" they said...Bogart replied > "That's great - Bubblegum, we'll use it".. That must be one of the few times an entrepreneur self-consciously created a marketing "tag" and, if you'll pardon the pun, had it stick. Ed Rambeau wrote: > You're absolutely right. Norma Tanega wrote "I'm the Sky" not Laura > Nyro as I stated previously. For some reason I got the 2 mixed up. > It's probably because I saw the name Herb Bernstein who I strongly > associated with Laura. I kind of help Herb discover Laura Nyro (or > is it Nero)? Nigro, I believe. I wonder if that's Italian, or Jewish? ACJ wrote: > Mark Frumento: In 1975, Ben Findon co-wrote and produced "Love Really > Hurts Without You," the first U.S. Top 40 hit for Billy Ocean ... Great record! Wonderful encapsulation of the Motown sound. Is it on CD, or available for musica-ing? Javed Jafri wrote: > ... Did that include Bob Dylan? I have always wondered what he thought > about Brian Wilson's mid '60s output. The only time I have read > anything about his opinion is a late '80s interview in Rolling Stone, > where he says something to the effect that: The Beach Boys were doing > things that had not been done before and I know I (meaning Mr. D) was > doing things that had not been done before. This fascinates me. I was thinking the other day that, of the Big 6 of '60s rock music (and no need to quibble over this list at this time) -- Brian Wilson, The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Lou Reed, Pete Townsend, Bob Dylan -- virtually all of them had some kind of "crosstalk," i.e. either obvious or divulged influence on one another, except for Wilson/Dylan. Try as I might, I just couldn't see Dylan as a Beach Boys fan in any significant way, nor vice versa, as their perspectives, styles and attitudes just seemed so remote from each other's. And yet here is evidence that even that pair had some crosstalk, albeit minor. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:17:56 -0000 From: Cleber Subject: Re: Ben Findon Mark Frumento wrote: > Does anyone have information on song writer Ben Findon? Over time > I've accumulated records bearing his name in the writing credits. > Most of what I have are well written harmony-based songs. Many of > those songs are by obscure UK bands but he did write (with Peter > Shelley) the wonderful "Impressions of Linda" for The Magic > Lanterns. I've got an LP procuded by Ben Findon for the group The Dooleys. The title is "The Chosen Few" and it was recorded in 1979. Ben Findon wrote the title track and co-wrote all the other tracks from this albumn. One of the album's tracks is "You Bring Out The Best In Me". Cleber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:35:14 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: Norma Tenega Ed Rambeau wrote: > I haven't seen or heard from Norma Tenega since I recorded > "I'm The Sky". > I really don't even remember her at the recording session. Mac Joseph wrote: > The last I heard, Norma was living out in Claremont California, > where she paints. From what I know, after "Walkin my Cat" > (which is still one of my all-time favs), she went to Europe > for a while. Hello, Mac I love "Walkin' My Cat Named Dog" too, as well as other songs by her like "I'm the Sky" and "Street That Rhymes At 6 A.M." She was involved with Dusty Springfield for a few years in the 70s according to a Dusty biography I read recently. Art -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:36:32 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Al and Hit Parader magazine Javed sez, >[Al Kooper] got the spotlight in a Hit Parader magazine > column called "My Favorite Records". In it you raved about > Pet Sounds. You also spoke a bit about Bob Lind... Funny, Javed, I remember that same article, but the part I remember is his praise for a Nonesuch album of Gregorian chants. So Al, how did you get so much coverage in Hit Parader magazine? I also remember a Hit Parader interview with Mike Bloomfield about recording the Highway 61 Revisted album. Bloomfield said somebody told Dylan they needed another 10 or 15 minutes to fill out the album and he sat down on the piano bench and wrote Desolation Row. Doubt that it's true, and I'd say it makes a good story, but as Al said in his first note to me: Nuke Revisionism! ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:55:15 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Question For Al Kooper Hey Al, Where did you find all those little guys that look just like you big guys on the cover of the first B, S & T LP? Jimmy Botticelli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:50:39 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: No Greater Sin Guy sez, > Another (Kooper/Levine) favourite of mine is the Byrdsy > "There Is No Greater Sin" a '65 single by the Boys Next Door. Guy, I think you've sparked a long-buried memory here. Is the full line "And there is no greater sin / Than what you're tryin' to do"? Where was the group from and what label were they on? I feel sure I know that song, and I was thinking it was a local group (from the midwest US). Thanks! ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:06:48 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Norma Tenega / Automated Artie Mac Joseph wrote: > The last I heard, Norma was living out in Claremont California, > where she paints. From what I know, after "Walkin my Cat" > (which is still one of my all-time favs), she went to Europe > for a while. Yes, where she shacked up with Dusty Springfield. Artie Wayne wrote: > ... writing up my adventures in the music buisness as an artist > [12 labels...] Artie, I recently discovered your song "Automated Man", which I dig the most! I don't have the record itself, though, and wonder which of the 12 labels it was on, and what in general was the story behind it. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:07:30 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Smothers Brothers, Laugh-In Musical Acts Phil Milstein mentioned the Legendary Stardust Cowboy and the Holy Modal Rounders appearing on "Laugh-In"...Phil, I just purchased "The Moray Eels Eat the Holy Modal Rounders" CD last weekend after coming across it at my local Tower Records store, and hearing about this group appearing on TV is intriguing. Regarding Cake on the Smothers Brothers, they were from Sacramento, California where I live...I didn't realize they'd ever made such a high-profile television appearance. I have a three page article on them somewhere around the house. Your description of their TV performance sounds hilarious. You didn't happen to catch the infamous appearance by the Who on the Smothers Brothers, did you? This is probably the one I crave to see the most, along with Syd Barrett's "performance" on the Pat Boone show. Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:19:46 -0000 From: superoldies Subject: Re: Gary Lewis et al Same with BJ Thomas & Tommy Sands - one hit wonders in the UK...it all boils down to promotion & distribution. If they weren't promoted on either side of the pond, there wasn't exposure they needed, and people didn't really know of them in the record buying circles. I think Cliff's early tunes were killer, no clue how he didn't get a good push on TV & radio in the USA. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:24:58 -0000 From: Mark T Subject: Re: Ben Findon previously: > I've got an LP procuded by Ben Findon for the group The Dooleys. > The title is "The Chosen Few" and it was recorded in 1979. > Ben Findon wrote the title track and co-wrote all the other tracks > from this albumn. One of the album's tracks is "You Bring Out The > Best In Me". Didn't know he produced them. I love the Dooleys. I just discovered them a couple of years ago and I have all of their records except for one that only came out in Japan. Great pop. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:49:54 EST From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Navy Blue vs Midnight Mary Artie Wayne wrote: > Eddie........How ya' doin'? I apologize for not welcoming you sooner > .......but something was holding me back!! I realized what it was > yesterday, when Clark Blesch posted that your Diane Renay record > "Navy Blue" knocked my Joey Powers "Midnight Mary" out of the top ten > 40 years ago...........I must've harbored some deep resentment. > > Even though you don't know me.........I want you to know I've almost > forgiven you!! Seriously, I've enjoyed your posts and have checked out > your website. I was especially impressed with your "other-worldly" > paintings. Thanks, Artie, for the belated welcome. Better late than never. I had nothing to do with Navy Blue knocking out Midnight Mary...so you'll have to blame that one on the DJ's. LOL. Glad ya like my (as you call 'em) Other-worldly paintings. Do you paint? Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:47:39 -0000 From: S'pop Team Subject: More Coke ads @ musica Readers are recommended to avail themselves of two more Coke ad demos freshly installed @ musica. Both were written and performed by Ellie Greenwich, Mike Rashkow and Steve Tudanger: "Lazy Day" - vocal by Ellie Greenwich "It's The Last Time I'll Leave You" - vocal by Mike Rashkow Now being served here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spectropop/files/musica/ Enjoy! The S'pop Team -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:20 EST From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Re: Concrete & Clay Austin Roberts wrote: > Just so you know, your version of Concrete And Clay was huge > in the Newport News, Virginia Beach and Norfolk areas of > Virginia where I grew up. I never even heard the other version. I'm very aware of that fact, Austin, because I played the Newport News area along with Bobby Vee, Del Shannon, Brian Hyland and a few other acts at the time. This is one time I'm glad to say I'm happy you never heard the other version. LOL. Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:10:18 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Why Beatles?!! Herb wrote: > Since then, I have wondered "Why The Beatles?" > "What made them hot and others not?" They did > borrow from other artists. In many ways when the Beatles hit America it was the old English expression "like selling coal to Newcastle" brought to life. Before John & Paul started writing songs themselves, they kind of thought that only Americans ever wrote songs, and that wasn't so far off the truth. How many classic rock & pop songs before the Beatles were written by British people? Er, hmmm, I'll get back to you on that one... So they were exporting American songs back to America. Strange. But the way this magic trick was done is not hard to discern. All you do is listen to the Isleys' Twist and Shout and then the Fabs' version. No contest at all. They were harder, tougher and more exciting than anyone had dared to be for years. Although I love (some of) the American pop of 1963 it was filled with the likes of Bobby Vinton and Bobby Vee and all those other Bobbys and Frankies. Rubber Ball, bouncy bouncy. The Beatles practically killed that style off. So I really don't think it's difficult to see why the Beatles were a big success. What still, perhaps, needs to be explained is why it took America so long (one whole year) to catch up on them - when the first 4 singles were released in 63 Americans ignored them - and why only a few months later in January 64 the whole country went completely mad for them. I have heard the old theory about it being something to do with JFK - the Beatles were giving American youth the excuse to have a good time after weeks of national grieving - but I don't know if I buy that. pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:32:45 -0000 From: Doug Richard Subject: Re: Norma Tenega Mac Joseph: > The last I heard, Norma was living out in Claremont California, > where she paints. From what I know, after "Walkin my Cat" > (which is still one of my all-time favs), she went to Europe > for a while. Norma Tanega is prominently featured in the book "Dancing With Demons: The Authorized Biography of Dusty Springfield" Doug -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:35:07 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: lyrics to instrumentals Dr. Mark wrote: > I wonder if there's a vocal version of WIPEOUT! I don't know of any "WIPEOUT" vocal, but I was surprised to run across a few interesting vocal versions in recent years. "I Love Lucy" sung by Desi Arnaz "Sleep Walk" sung by Betsy Brye ...a follow up on Canadian-American to the Santo and Johnny original. Surprisingly (or not), she used a different instrumental track. "Wheels" sung by Robb Storme and the Whispers ...this was cut in the UK, with lyrics added by Wylie Grace in 1961. The original Storme sheet music also gives Norman Petty credit. When Storme performed the song, he added even more lyrics, which had been written in on the sheet music as "la-la's". Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:17:30 -0800 (PST) From: Bibi LaRed Subject: Re: Rag Dolls / G. Lewis & Playboys 1) Does ANYONE have a pic(s) on the Rag Dolls? I've always been curious ... 2) I've always heard the keyboardist for the Playboys did a modification to a musical instrument to come up with that unique sound on their tunes. What was that? 3) COMMENT: Wouldn't you know it! GARY LEWIS & THE PLAYBOYS WERE ALWAYS MY FAVE 60'S AMERICAN GROUP. KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM ... OR so I thought ... I never knew the second wave of the PLAYBOYS included a guitarist who would have as a daughter my fave (and prettiest) actress ... (Tripplehorn) ... Silly me... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:58:33 -0000 From: Denny Subject: Biggest record label blunders! The most famous blunder is most likely "Please Please Me" by The "Beattles" (Vee Jay 498) Then there's "A Question Of Tempature" by The Balloon Farm (Laurie 3405) And get this: I picked up what I thought was a copy of "Do It (Till You're Satisfied)" by B.T. Express. (Scepter/Roadshow 12395). Placed it on the turntable, and to my surprise and shock, the song turned out to be "I Shot The Sheriff" by Eric Clapton! Two playing time blunders: Hold Your Head Up by Argent: The original single (Epic 10852) shows the correct playing time of 3:15. Epic Memory Lane and grey label reissues also include the single version, but the labels show the full LP version playing time of 6:15! Whole Lotta Love by Led Zeppelin: The original Atlantic single (2690) was first released with an edited version (3:12), then later pressed with the common, full version (5:33). The Atlantic Oldies Series reissue (OS-13116) is the edited 3:12 version, although the label shows 5:33! Anyone else have any other blunders to add? Let's hear from ya! Denny -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:49:24 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Re: Female collectors; spine-shiver songs previously: > there are no female record collectors! There's got > to be some somewhere, although I personally don't know any ... If the WFMU Record Fair is to be taken as an indication, the female population there seems to be at or under 5%. Interesting, since there are so many women on WFMU, which specializes in some very strange music, and they know their stuff as well as the men do. Patricia ModGirl wrote: > So, my question to you guys is. .. WHY DON'T ANY OF YOU > LIVE NEAR ME??? ;) Where do you live? Alan Haber wrote: > I'm curious about other S'poppers' spine-shiver moments. This could be a mega-thread -- darn near a transoceanic cable! (It may have already been -- I'm back to being a week -- and hundreds of messages, the vast majority worth reading -- behind). Here are the first few that came to mind: The Spectors 3, "I Really Do" -- the whole record but especially the "floating" chorus at the end. Johnny Cash, "I Walk The Line" -- first time I heard it -- on a car radio -- I'd obviously never heard anything like that before. Couldn't get his tone and vocal texture out of my head, nor that incredible rhythm section, nor how intense it was. I wanted my voice to crack so badly so I could sing like that! (The voice cracked; I still can't sing like that.) Mary Wells, "Bye Bye Baby" -- that opening "Well!" is earthshaking. Martha & The Vandellas, "Dancin' In The Street" -- it's 1964, sunny summer morning, all the car windows down, on the highway on the way to the beach, and that's what's on the radio just below distortion level. Dore Alpert, "Dina" (A&M 714) -- Herb's first vocal effort, a gorgeous ballad; I own three copies, that's how much I love this. First time I heard it, two chords into the intro, I said to my mother (who was in the room) "I like this." She said, "How do you know? You haven't heard it yet." I said, "I just know." I did. I still do. Clusters, "Darling Can't You Tell" (with Arlene Smith on duet lead vocal; Tee Gee, 1958) -- simply the best uptempo doo-wop I've ever heard. A cha-cha with a flute counter-melody, good lyrics, good singin', GREAT bass singer. 45 years later it still nails me. Special mention: Brian Wilson on the "Pet Sounds" tour -- not just a spine-shiverer, but tears of joy in my eyes for most of the first half. Actually, something akin to a religious experience, a revelation. Is this what you were looking for? More soon, Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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