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Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Metropolitan Soul playlist (Jan. 18 '04)
           From: Howard 
      2. Re: I'm the Sky
           From: Ed Rambeau 
      3. Re: Norma Tenega
           From: Ed Rambeau 
      4. Re: Al Kooper & The Royal Teens
           From: Al Kooper 
      5. Re: Heaven Bound with Tony Scotti
           From: James Holvay 
      6. Re: Variations on the Beach Boys and others
           From: Wayne Short 
      7. Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes
           From: Billy G Spradlin 
      8. Re: Ben Findon / Bubblegum
           From: Austin Powell 
      9. Re: 40 years of Navy Blue
           From: Michael Fishberg 
     10. Re: "At Last"
           From: Peter Kearns 
     11. Re: sediS-B sdrawkcaB fo noitalipmoC :eR
           From: Glenn 
     12. Re: Record collection sold
           From: Paul Bryant 
     13. Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes
           From: Frank 
     14. Smile in London / Welcome Al Kooper
           From: Martin Jensen 
     15. Austin, thanks for asking
           From: Artie Wayne 
     16. Gary Lewis et al
           From: John Love 
     17. Re: Vee record collectors
           From: Bob 
     18. Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes
           From: Tom Taber 
     19. Newbie here @ Spectropop
           From: Don Miller 
     20. Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes
           From: Joe Nelson 
     21. Mark Radice
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     22. Kooper Kredits
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     23. Elliot Randall
           From: Richard Havers 
     24. Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes
           From: John Sellards 
     25. Re: Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind
           From: Richard Havers 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:29:04 -0500 From: Howard Subject: Re: Metropolitan Soul playlist (Jan. 18 '04) Hi Simon.. thought I'd say hello.. looks like there was some great stuff played on the show :-) all the best.. Howard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:04:30 EST From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Re: I'm the Sky Previously: > Can I assume that this is the same "I'm the Sky" as the one written > and recorded by Norma Tanega, since Herb Bernstein produced her > album on DynoVoice? You're absolutely right. Norma Tanega wrote "I'm the Sky" not Laura Nyro as I stated previously. For some reason I got the 2 mixed up. It's probably because I saw the name Herb Bernstein who I strongly associated with Laura. I kind of help Herb discover Laura Nyro (or it is Nero)? Can't remember the spelling, however, Herb came to me one day and said "I'd like you to hear a girl I'm considering recording. Tell me what you think."....Well, I walked into the room and there sat Laura at the piano. We were introduced and then she began to play the piano with great gusto...and then came that voice. She destroyed me with her rendition of "Wedding Bell Blues". I told Herb that if he didn't sign her up he'd make the biggest mistake of his life. He signed her and did her first album....which was incredible. Many hits came from that first album...some by Streisand. But thanks for reminding me that it was Norma Tanega that wrote "I'm the Sky". Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:05:29 EST From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Re: Norma Tenega Previously: > Eddie, I'd like to add my welcome to all the others you've received; > it's very nice to have you here. (Sorry to say that Unit 4 + 2 got > the nod for "Concrete and Clay" on radio stations in my neck of the > woods!) I'm wondering if you ever crossed paths with Norma Tanega? > I've always really enjoyed that album of hers. I haven't seen or heard from Norma Tenega since I recorded "I'm The Sky". I really don't even remember her at the recording session. Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:00:56 EST From: Al Kooper Subject: Re: Al Kooper & The Royal Teens Previously: > This group name doesn't appear on your website, Al, so could you please > confirm or deny that you were in the Royal Teens ("Short Shorts," "Big Name > Button")? People may joke about the songs -- true period pieces, to be sure > but the tracks to both had the best down-and-dirty beats! If you were > involved with them, do you know who did the sax parts? (And if Al can't > answer that question, can anyone, please?) I did my time in The Royal Teens. Starting in 1958 at the ripe old age of fourteen. Bob Gaudio and Leo Rogers gave me my pro start!!! The sax player of note was titled Larry Qualiano - he played the parts on the records. A 16-17 year old Jersey lad. Hope this helps Al Kooper -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:27:44 -0800 From: James Holvay Subject: Re: Heaven Bound with Tony Scotti markt439 wrote: > I haven't seen any mention here about this great group. > Definitely one for Partridge Family fans to look for. > Kind of like what they would have sounded like if Susan > Dey could sing and she sang lead. Don't know anything > about this Tony Scotti guy but I know Michael Lloyd, > who was a sunshine pop genius, produced them. I can shed some light on Tony Scotti. He's the younger brother of Ben Scotti. I believe Ben originally played football for the Philadelphia Eagles. After his career was over he became a promotion guy and hooked up with Johnny River's Soul City Records. He was instrumental in breaking the 5th. Dimension records. He later moved on to VP of Promotions at MGM, when Mike Curb was the President. Tony Scotti also played for the Eagles but left and pursued acting. His big role was as a singer in the movie Valley Of The Dolls. After that his brother Ben brought him into MGM as a producer. (who said nepotism doesn't exist in the entertainment business). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:04:00 -0000 From: Wayne Short Subject: Re: Variations on the Beach Boys and others Dindale Hogg wrote: > I'm not really into guys who create variations on a Beach Boys > theme Mark Frumento wrote: > In my mind (and in my collection) I divide Beach Boys followers > into three categories: > 1) Pastiche (one-off sound-a-likes) > 2) Impersonators (career sound-a-likes) > 3) Strongly Influenced By Thanks Mark, Alrighty! Everyone on the variations trip copies/imitates the sound to varying degrees.. Looking through my collection, I can stratify artists into those who take is comparable to photo-realism, Adrian Baker and Gidea Park are top of the tree. Close in are Chris White and Chris Rainbow (among other styles he adopts). Then there are the impressionists, The High Llamas, Louis Phillipe, Peter Lacey. Next there are an ever growing lists of of bands who could be said to be influenced, ie, that the BB sound is a snap shot, a trace element, that also has touches of The Byrds, The Beatles, The Velvets and so on. I'm not adverse to the variations as long as their done with sincerity and quality. And the fun element is cool too, Andrew Gold's Fraternal Order is a beautiful tongue in cheek pastiche. My all time favorite has to be a non-Beach Boys one, The Rutles has it all, including the impersonation. best Wayne Short -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:58:00 -0000 From: Billy G Spradlin Subject: Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes Mike McKay wrote: > To me, this sounds like messing with a very significant piece of > rock 'n' roll history for the sake of making a few bucks. What > say you? Why couldnt they use the master tape for "Do The Clam" instead?? :) Billy 60's Jangle Radio! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:43:54 -0000 From: Austin Powell Subject: Re: Ben Findon / Bubblegum Mark Frumento wrote: > Does anyone have information on song writer Ben Findon? Mark...I can't fill in any personal details but Ben Findon started producing records in the late sixties...He had "Easy Squeezy" by the Love Children (featuring "Little Joe") issued on Deram in 1969. The song was written by Ben and his partner Pete Shelley.....They were helped in their early days of being writer/producers by the publishing team at Radio Luxembourg...If you gave the radio station the publishing on the "B" side, the station "miraculously" played the record more often!! Much later Ben ran his own Spirit label, which had its only success with two records by British comedian/TV entertainer Russ Abbott... Dan Hughes: > Anybody know the origin of the term Bubblegum music? Dan...In the notes for Volume One of Varese Sarabande's "Bubblegum Classics" series (1995), the term "Bubblegum" is credited to Kasenatz- Katz....The story went: Buddah's boss Neil Bogart asked K-K how they'd describe their music..."We would call it's a happytime, children's type of thing" they said...Bogart replied "That's great - Bubblegum, we'll use it".. Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:12:53 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Fishberg Subject: Re: 40 years of Navy Blue Ed Rambeau wrote: > ......Anyway, Navy Blue ended up getting the biggest phone response > since Elvis Presley's Blue Suede Shoes. The DJ wrote about this in > the Gavin Report, and the rest is history. But I'm so glad you > enjoyed it all these years, Clark. Needless to say, so did I ... > but for other reasons. LOL. Diane's Fox album of NAVY BLUE in stereo (TFS 3133) is considered one of the hardest and most sought-after pop albums of this period to acquire. Typically making $200-300, it's also got great artwork. If anybody wants to see the amazing Japanese 7-inch picture sleeve artwork, email me at for a scan. Best, Michael Fishberg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:59:59 -0000 From: Peter Kearns Subject: Re: "At Last" Rashkovsky wrote: > Jamesetta Hawkins could sing the telephone directory and it would > sound fine. My word yes. And her latest stuff is amazing too. The production is great. What a band. Peter. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:02:02 -0000 From: Glenn Subject: Re: sediS-B sdrawkcaB fo noitalipmoC :eR Robert R. Radil wrote: > This is going a little off your topic but "Mirage" by Tommy James > & The Shondells is based on "I Think We're Alone Now" played > backwards. Myth. Total myth. It's weird how these things get started. Tommy James once laughed in an interview about the fact that the chord sequence of the chorus of "Mirage" was created, by writer Ritchie Cordell, by taking the chord sequence of the chorus of "I Think We're Alone Now" and playing it backwards - in other words, reversing the order of the chords. James thought this was funny because it showed how formulaic the creation of a hit could be. In a later interview he shortened the comment by simply saying that "'Mirage' is 'I Think We're Alone Now' backwards." His comment was thereafter misinterpreted in liner notes and articles as them having created the song based on playing the RECORD backwards, but no one from the James camp ever actually stated this. If they do go along with that story now, which I've never heard that they do, it could only be in the spirit of fun that so many rock stars enjoy when making up absurd stories about their past - and being sure to tell a different, more absurd version in every interview. P.S. Adding to the confusion, one of the special effects on "Mirage" was created by manually rolling a reel tape of a percussion part backwards and forwards over the heads of the tape deck. Glenn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:52:38 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Record collection sold Doc Rock wrote: > Bobby Vee and I have discussed how 99% of his fans > in the old days were female. Now 99% are male! > As for me I just sold my 40-year record collection, > all 10,000 records, to a female collector! How come you did that, Doc Rock? Don't you like those old sounds anymore? pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:48:48 +0200 From: Frank Subject: Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes Mike McKay wrote: > "Two-Inch Segments from the Original 1954-1955 Studio Recording tape, > beginning with "That's All Right," the Song that Propelled Elvis's > Career, to be Cut, Certified, Numbered and Mounted on Commemorative > Plaques and Sold to the Public." > > To me, this sounds like messing with a very significant piece of rock > 'n' roll history for the sake of making a few bucks. What say you? Don't worry, it's only a dub. Frank -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:37:50 -0000 From: Martin Jensen Subject: Smile in London / Welcome Al Kooper Hi Thanks to those who supplied me with info on record shops in London – living in a country where finding a rarity amounts to discovering a Beach Boys twofer in the local shops, I truly look forward to that trip! ;-D I would also like to give a belated welcome to Al Kooper(!) Al, I discovered your '69 single "You Never Know Who Your Friends Are" last year through the "Rare + Well Done" collection, and that song definitely represented one of that year's great discoveries. I don't know how you feel about this song, but I really like it & the production. I was also wondering... have you heard the late Donny Hathaway's take on "I Love You More Than You'll Ever Know"? It's on his "Extension of a Man" album….. A great rendition, IMHO... With regards Martin, Denmark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:27:40 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Austin, thanks for asking Austin.........How ya' doin'? You asked what I've been up to... Well, I'm starting to get around again after a seven year recovery from a spinal operation [doctors are amazed that I'm even able to walk].......and today marks the third month I stopped taking painkillers cold turkey. My mind is body cleansed.......and my spirit is stronger than ever before. 15 months ago, my friend Allan Rinde gave me his old computer [when he built himself a new one], showed me how to use it and brought me to Spectropop. I realized there are people out there who appreciate things much of the world has forgotten......and with the encouragement I've received on line from Spectropoppers, and people I've connected with from my past, I feel back to my old self again!! I've been writing up my adventures in the music buisness as an artist [12 labels, no hits]....songwriter, ["Meet Me At Midnight Mary" (Raleigh/Wayne)] and about 200 covers........producer [Joey Powers, The Kingsmen, the Shirelles].......and publishing [from being general manager at Warner Bros. Music, running Irving/Almo music, to running my own firms.] When I met Alan Gordon on line and suggested that Faith Hill and Tim McGraw or Fountains of Wayne should remake his classic "Happy Together" [Bonner/Gordon], he and half a dozen Spectropoppers loved the idea!! Last week when I suggested that Alan Jackson or Trace Adkins should redo Mike Rashkow's "Mary in the Morning"....Mike loved it .....which made me start thinking. Two years ago, when I helped my friend Alan O'Day get his "Undercover Angel" into the "Charlie's Angels" movie, I was shocked to see how many of the people I started with in the business were running film and TV music I've decided to act as an independent consultant to songwriters as well as publishers while I'm reviving my own catalog. Fortunately, my recording contacts now include old friends who run or own the companies. Austin......if you check out my website I'm sure you'll find some stories and pictures of some people you know. regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 05:09:17 -0600 From: John Love Subject: Gary Lewis et al There are lots of instances of one hit wonders making it on only one side of the Atlantic, but talk of "This Diamond Ring" makes me wonder again how an artist producing hits Stateside as consistently as Gary Lewis could fail to make an impact on this side of the pond - one minor chart appearance with "My Heart's Symphony." And it works the other way round for our own dear Sir Cliff - 03 ,000 chart appearances in the UK, a mere handful over there! Anyone got a theory here? John -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:33:42 -0000 From: Bob Subject: Re: Vee record collectors Doc Rock wrote: > Bobby Vee and I have discussed how 99% of his fans in > the old days were female. Now 99% are male! Doc, Over on the Bobby Vee Collectors Club Yahoo group I have roughly 88% men and the balance women as members. I think nowadays, most men that are Bobby Vee fans are into collecting his records. I bought my first Vee 45 without having a clue what he looked like. I just knew I really liked what I was hearing and that sound has brought me enormous amounts of listening pleasure for over 40 years! Bob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:59:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes Mike McKay wrote: > To me, this sounds like messing with a very significant piece > of rock 'n' roll history for the sake of making a few bucks. > What say you? As I also have an interest in the world of Sports collectibles, I know that some huge companies are now buying baseball jerseys of Babe Ruth (note for our British friends - he, years ago, excelled at rounders) and perhaps others in order to cut them into itty-bitty pieces and insert them randomly in packs of baseball cards. It makes lots of folks (me included) sick to think about it. I would suggest to the more famous among us that they begin to save their toenail clippings, and perhaps Kleenex from their more memorable sinus infections. Or, how would a square inch of celebrity skin look on a plaque?! Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:35:59 -0800 From: Don Miller Subject: Newbie here @ Spectropop Hi everyone, I'm new here at Spectropop. I'm mostly into 60s and 70s Brazilian music. I love bossa nova, MPB, samba and tropicalia. I enjoy Italian soundtracks and sound library music as well. I really also love the soft sounds of Roger Nichols, Claudine Longet, Nick DeCaro and others. My other 60s/70s obsession is Jamaican mento, ska, rocksteady, reggae and dub. I live outside the Philadelphia area. I would like to meet others around the area for some record shopping trips or even to set up some DJ nights. I currently DJ in the area, mostly reggae events though. I would like to find some other like-minded individuals to perhaps put together a night of bossa/soft rock/chillout/etc. I'm usually on Soulseek, sharing quite a lot of MP3s from my collection. I'm looking forward to reading and contributing to the Spectropop mailing list. Don Miller. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:54:00 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes Mike McKay wrote: > "The official first cut of the original 1954-55 Sun Sessions > master recording tape made by Elvis Presley and his band. Master > Tape Collection, which unearthed and preserved this initial original > source recording of Elvis and his band, will officially cut, > certify, number and mount each 2-inch segment of this Sun Sessions > Master Tape.... > (remainder of quote snipped because it was too painful to read) > > To me, this sounds like messing with a very significant piece of rock > 'n' roll history for the sake of making a few bucks. What say you? Whether or not Elvis is really dead will be debated forever. I never had cause to question the Colonel's death until now. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:59:36 -0000 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Mark Radice Mike wrote re. Mark Radice: > Hey Mark, we corresponded privately last summer...recall my > webpage with all of your pre teen 45s and pic sleeves? Can we have a link to this page Mark? Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:53:18 -0000 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Kooper Kredits Al Kooper wrote: > We also had a coupla Banana Splits songs as Schroeder's office > provided the music for that show... Namely the cute "Let Me Remember You Smilin'" (Brass/Kooper/I. Levine) from one of their Kellogs EPs and the groovy "You're The Lovin' End" (Kooper/I. Levine) from their Decca LP. Wonderful stuff though for some reason no one's ever seen fit to bring out a Splits reissue. And that's called sad.... Al again: > Schroeder started Musicor Records with one of my songs "Sick Manny's > Gym," a take-off on the Vic Tanny muscle centers on the eastcoast. Wow! Has anybody got a copy of this that they can share with the class? I've never heard it but I think I love it already! Another (Kooper/Levine) favourite of mine is the Byrdsy "There Is No Greater Sin" a '65 single by the Boys Next Door. I strongly suggest everyone pays a visit to - the photos paint Al as some kind of Rock'n'Roll Zelig! Really good to have you aboard Al! Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:13:57 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Elliot Randall Al Kooper wrote: > I dont think it hurts that my webmaster is Elliott Randall, > he of the Reelin In The Years Steely Dan daze. We are constantly > tinkering with it. Hi Al I remember seeing Elliot play with his band (Randall's Island) in, it was probably 1970, at the Albert Hall in London when he supported John Mayall's band....the one without a drummer. I really enjoyed Elliot's playing and a couple of years later I read a review or interview about an album by some group named Steely Dan. It mentioned that Elliott Randall was playing on it (amongst many other names). As a result I went to my local record shop and asked if they had this album, which I duly took into the listening room and played. Well it was a revelation and I bought it....and every other Dan album since. So it's all Elliot's fault! Best Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:14:53 -0000 From: John Sellards Subject: Re: Elvis Sun Records master tapes Mike McKay: > To me, this sounds like messing with a very significant piece of > rock 'n' roll history for the sake of making a few bucks. What > say you? Billy G Spradlin : > Why couldnt they use the master tape for "Do The Clam" instead?? :) Does this mean that the actual tape for this session has turned up (the Sun session, not "Do The Clam")? Every reissue I've heard - and I don't have "Sunrise" or anything more recent, which may be better - it sounds fuzzy and as if reverb had been added. When did they find this tape? John Sellards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:28:39 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind Scott Swanson wrote: > "Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind" was one of about 30 songs Mick > Jagger & Keith Richards wrote during their "let's learn how to be > songwriters" period (late 1963 through fall 1964). > > Jagger and Richards recorded a demo version of the song c. July 1964 > with the Andrew Oldham Orchestra backing them.  (This is the version > which can be found on the Stones' "Metamorphosis" LP).  Supposedly, > the same backing track was later used for Vashti's version, which was > released in May 1965. > > Dick & Deedee's version was recorded c. December 1964, and Dick St. > John has claimed that the Stones actually played on it.  But I've > never A/B'd all three songs to compare them. Scott, not to be too picky......but in the interests of historical accuracy: On Thursday 13th February 1964 the Stones did a 'demo' session for two of Mick and Keith's songs at Regent Sound Studio, London, with engineer Bill Farley (who died within the last month or so). They cut "Try A Little Harder" & "Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind." Andrew paid each of them £3 each for the session. Afterwards, Stu drove them to a gig at the Granada Theatre, Kingston-Upon-Thames for a date on their tour with John Leyton. Like you I have never heard the Dick & Deedee version, but Bill Wyman claims that he never played on another session for the song, and only barely remembers meeting D&D at a gig in the US in November 1964. It is entirely possible that it was the same backing track. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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