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Spectropop - Digest Number 1266

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      1. Re: Stupid songs...and stupider still..
           From: C Ponti 
      2. Re: Picardy
           From: Clark Besch 
      3. Re:  Christopher Neil
           From: Patrick Beckers 
      4. Louis Phillipe
           From: Wayne Short 
      5. Re: Vinyl Junkies
           From: Eddy 
      6. Re: Iveys
           From: Eddy 
      7. Re: Bob Gallo - sixties productions
           From: Eddy 
      8. Re: Neon Philharmonic: madness or genius?
           From: Cleber 
      9. James Butler / The Daughters Of Eve
           From: Mick Patrick 
     10. Re: Worst hit performance; Angel Baby (Again)
           From: John Sellards 
     11. Re: Stereo 45s / Brian Wilson
           From: MopTop Mike 
     12. Chiffons on screen
           From: MopTop Mike 
     13. Re: Mary In The Morning
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     14. Re: Spector story
           From: C. Ponti 
     15. Re: Spine-shiver moments
           From: David Cottis 
     16. Re: Scooby-Doo
           From: Austin Roberts 
     17. Hello Muddah
           From: Ed Rambeau 
     18. Re: Mary In The Morning
           From: Artie Wayne 
     19. Chiffons on screen
           From: Clark Besch 
     20. RE: Good Morning Starshine
           From: Ed Rambeau 
     21. Girl Group Video
           From: Bob 
     22. Re: Virginia Wolves
           From: Austin Roberts 
     23. Re: Concrete & Clay
           From: Ed Rambeau 
     24. Austin Roberts - Upbeat TV show.
           From: Austin Roberts 
     25. So Nice
           From: Steve Harvey 
     26. Re: Ed Rambeau/Diane Renay
           From: Fred Clemens 
     27. Re:  Concrete & Clay
           From: steveo 
     28. Re: Concrete and Clay
           From: Ed Rambeau 

Message: 1 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:26:33 -0000 From: C Ponti Subject: Re: Stupid songs...and stupider still.. Phil Hall wrote: > What's the most nonsensical song you've ever heard, > other than something like "Ne Ne Na Na Na Na Nu Nu"? > I'll start it off by nominating "Toom Toom (Is A Little Boy)" > by Marie Applebee. Paul Bryant wrote: > Well, of course there's the mighty "Surfin' Bird" by the Trashmen > - hard to beat for sheer lunacy - what were they thinking of? But > I'm glad they did. Then from the same year, I think, one of my > personal faves, "The Martian Hop" by the Ran-Dells, > which has developed a contemporary resonance : > > We have just discovered an important note from space > The Martians want to throw a dance for all the human race > > - that could be a NASA press release. How about "Somethin' Stupid"? Would that qualify? Did you know it was authored by Carson Parks, brother of Van Dyke? There was "Babysitting Boogie", which I am sorry to admit I bought. "Flyin' Purple People Eaters" was cetainly far from Robert Benchley in sophistication. I remember kind of liking "Leader Of The Laundromat". That surely passes "stupid" muster! Stupidly, C -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 06:13:16 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Picardy Billy G. Spradlin wrote: > Whover posted Picardy's "5:30 Plane" thanks - great song. I > downloaded it a few days ago, played it several times and it stuck > in my head all afternoon while shopping. (even listening to the radio > couldnt drown it out) > > BTW did Picardy ever release an LP? All I have heard was this track > and "Montage" (both Jimmy Webb songs). Billy, It was me, your old KEYN/KLEO buddy, Clark, who posted the Picardy song. I like it a lot too. I'm pretty sure all they had were the 2 45s for Dunhill--no Lp. Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:27:44 +0100 From: Patrick Beckers Subject: Re: Christopher Neil csasml2007 wrote: > One of the greatest albums of the early 70s was Christopher Neil > - Where I Belong. It's a singer-songwriter and his LP was > released by RAK Great album indeed. I have it in my collection as well > There a producer with the same name but I don't have a clue > if are the same guy. He produced Sheena Easton in early 80s. As far as I know it's one and the same guy! Patrick Beckers -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:12:21 -0000 From: Wayne Short Subject: Louis Phillipe On the tail of Kingsley Abott's reference to his Azure album I'd also recommend Louis Phillipe's 'A Kiss In The Fun House' album as a genuine homage to the master, Brian Wilson. Add to that Chris Rainbow's 'Over My Shoulder', Chris White's 'Mouth Music' and Peter Lacey's 'Thru A Glass Brightly' and you have one heluva treasure house from the land of Wilsonia. best Wayne Short -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:41:44 +0100 From: Eddy Subject: Re: Vinyl Junkies Stewart Mason wrote: > if someone handed me a sealed first-state butcher cover copy of > YESTERDAY AND TODAY, the first thing I'd do is rip it open and > play "And Your Bird Can Sing" very loudly four or five times in > a row. Records are meant to be played, not secreted away! I wonder if you'd have that same attitude after you paid a couple of grand for your sealed copy... ;) Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:31:11 +0100 From: Eddy Subject: Re: Iveys Eddy wrote: > Does anybody have the scoop on what happened to the Iveys > LP ? Cancelled in the UK, no US issue or anywhere else > for that matter, except an extremely limited amount of > copies of Germany and Italy. Country Paul wrote: > Has it ever found its way to CD? Yes, including 4 bonus tracks. But just like with the other Apple cd's... if you blinked, you missed them ! Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:29:52 +0100 From: Eddy Subject: Re: Bob Gallo - sixties productions Davie Gordon wrote: > Here's a partial list of his credits - I think his earliest > work was on the New York sessions by (former Beatle) Pete Best > that turned up on labels like Mr.Maestro and Cameo but I don't > have any hard info. I'm sure one of the Beatles' experts can > confirm if this is true. The Best of The Beatles album on Savage Records gives a Producer & Arranger credit for Bob Gallo, which is about all I can find. Maybe there's a further credit on the 45's, but I don't have those. Reportedly almost 40 tracks were recorded in New York with Gallo. Although there is no credit on the album The Beatle that time forgot, these previously unreleased songs are supposed to be from those same sessions. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:25:55 -0000 From: Cleber Subject: Re: Neon Philharmonic: madness or genius? Jeff Lemlich wrote: > The Rhino 2-CD set has everything the Neons recorded with Don > Gant/Tupper Saussy except their TRX label single. Later Neon > Philharmonic singles were with replacement players. I can play > "Love Will Find A Way" on TRX to musica if there's interest. I've got many interest in this track that you mentioned. The Neon Philharmonic it's one of my favourites groupsand i've got many interest in these two 45's that they records after leaving the WB. Can you play "Love Will Find A Way" to musica ? Thanks Very Much Cleber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:57:26 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: James Butler / The Daughters Of Eve James Holvay: > ... Jimmy Peterson & James Butler were one and the same person. > He was a singer, entertainer, songwriter and a pretty creative > guy in general... Hi James, Thanks so much for even more Kane & Abel minutiae. As you know, their "He Will Break Your Heart" is a much-worshipped record here on planet S'pop. I've seen your old colleague James Butler's name on a couple of records by the Daughters Of Eve, an all-girl band from Chicago. They were managed by Carl Bonafede, who also managed your friends the Buckinghams. Did you ever meet the Daughters? If so, any memories to share? Their drummer Debi and I are putting together a small article about this group for the S'pop website. All help gratefully received. To whet everyone's appetite, I've posted one of their 45s to musica: "Symphony Of My Soul" (USA 891, 1967), written by James Butler, produced by Carl Bonafede and James Butler. A nice example of "pop go the classics", it might appeal to fans of the Toys' "Lovers' Concerto": Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:35:22 -0000 From: John Sellards Subject: Re: Worst hit performance; Angel Baby (Again) > right one (down half a step). This could have been intentional, > but what follows certainly isn't: the first arpeggio has a > clinker, Rosie I've had this discussion about this before; I really don't think that the fourth note of the arpeggio is a mistake; it's the note that's a minor third of the scale played against a major chord, which is the same tonal combination that has shown up everywhere from "Purple Haze" to "Foggy Mountain Breakdown" by Flatt & Scruggs! I'd bet he knew what he was doing, as he easily sounds like the most confident musician of the bunch. At least on "Angel Baby", since I haven't listened to "Give Me Love" in about 10 years, though - maybe I need to refresh my memory about their abilities. John Sellards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:42:16 -0000 From: MopTop Mike Subject: Re: Stereo 45s / Brian Wilson Joe Nelson wrote: > I did some research into this a few years ago: it appears "A Beautiful > Morning" was the first Top 40 45 whose standard stock issue was stereo > (actually compatable stereo, wherein the right channel is thrown 90 > degrees out of phase in order to phase down the "center channel" when > the record is played on monaral equipment). "Rice Is Nice" was released > first but didn't chart in the Billbopard Top 40. Robert R. Radil: > My original 1968 single is the standard normal stereo. BTW - It was the > first stereo single I ever got. Although my vinyl copy is stereo, I > seem to recall back then seeing in the store some plastic copies that > were mono. The label still said stereo. There are pressings of "A Beautiful Morning" that are not stereo or the "CS compatible stereo", as Bob stated. I have copies of all three, including the stereo copy that plays mono. The benefit of the stereo and CS versions is that the vinyl used for the pressings is top-quality, yielding a non-noisy sound. The mono pressing I have, while in almost mint condition, plays with some noise due to the lower quality vinyl. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:04:17 -0000 From: MopTop Mike Subject: Chiffons on screen You can watch the Chiffons sitting in Central Park Zoo, I think, singing "Nobody Knows..."etc. in the Frank Slay bankrolled film/flick 'Disco-Tek Holiday'. The film is actually an excuse to promote groups via film clips, which include the Chiffons, Freddie & The Dreamers, The Rockin' Ramrods, the Vagrants (a waycool clip of them lip-synching by a swimming pool performing their 1st 45, "Oh Those Eyes"), and lots of obscure Brit groups like A Band Of Angels, The Orchids...all of these are based around a flimsy plot featuring Casey Paxton - the teen idol type guy who recorded for Slay's Claridge label in '65/66 - going from city to city with his girlfriend, and stopping by the top radio stations trying to get his latest record played, "East Is East". He sings it THREE times in the movie - talk about overkill! There are clips of some all time great DJ's in the film - Arnie Woo-Woo Ginsberg, introducing the Rockin Ramrods backing Freddy Cannon at the Surf Club in Mass., and Jerry Blavat, who is hosting a local TV dance show in Philly. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:22:55 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Mary In The Morning Mikey: > I did not know Terry Cashman was involved. I had emailed Terry > last year because i wanted to ask about a really rare 45 he put > out in 1963 called 'Try Me". Got a lot of info on that record > thanks to him. he's really had a nice career. Thanks for your complimentary note on MITM. Terry Cashman (nee Dennis Minogue) was the "professional manager" at Pamco Music that signed me and Mikie Harris (before we were married), to staff contracts. That company was the BMI wing of ABC/Paramount. Then I brought Johnny Cymbal to meet him and he signed JC who had just been dropped at South Mountain Music. So, in every way was Terry is responsible for Mary In The Morning. He gave me a shot as a writer at a time when I think I had completed maybe 4 or 5 songs and he provided the basis for John and I to write together. He was a laid back, very easy guy to work for. Terry and Tommy West (Picardo) and Gene Pistilli were already writing together at Pamco. They came to the MITM demo session to do the BG voices. Di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 19:10:02 -0000 From: C. Ponti Subject: Re: Spector story I heard this story such that in his sudden fear, he said "this planes not gonna make it!". This was of course decades befor 9/11, so he was simply allowed to deplane. I often think of that story when I first get on a plane and begin to feel claustraphobic and wonder, "Am I going to do a 'Phil'?" -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:56:17 +0000 From: David Cottis Subject: Re: Spine-shiver moments Frankie Valli's wordless line just after the instrumental break in 'Silence is Golden.' David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:11:46 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Scooby-Doo > Here's my big question though -- Was "Scooby Snack" in > any way euphemistic? Hi David. Scooby snack was just a dog treat. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:07:33 -0000 From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Hello Muddah I recently recorded a parody lyric I wrote on the old Alan Sherman hit "Hello, Muddah, Hello Faddah" which I call "Hello, Muddah, Hello Faddah 2004". If anyone has ample Email download space and would like me to Email them an MP3 of it, I'd be more than happy to do so. Just write to and say please send "Hello, Muddah 2004". Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:35:43 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Mary In The Morning Mike.......I'm sure you're mystified by all of the positive responses your'e getting to "Mary in the Morning". From your E-Mail I can see that you have seriously underestemated the power of your song ...... since it came through you effortlessly.....and everything else seemed to "fall into place." If I were you I'd contact your publisher and ask him to get a copy to country artists like Alan Jackson or Trace Adkins....I can see them fighting over who should do it first!! regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:36:26 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Chiffons on screen Tony, I knew if I said I thought the video didn't exist, someone would have it! I'm glad it is still out there. Would be cool to see, since I listen to the reel tape and imagine what the video was like. Kinda like radio, I guess. Anyway, Sylvia does a great vocal and the less echoey cound is good too. Thanks, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:35:51 -0000 From: Ed Rambeau Subject: RE: Good Morning Starshine This is for the trivia buffs. Don't know how many of you Spectropoppers know this, but Bob Crewe actually recorded the first version of "Good Morning Starshine" with me and changed my name to Eddie Hazleton for the release. The show "HAIR" had just opened so the song was not accepted. The record had me singing along with a bunch of kids doing silly answers. It bombed big time, of course. When I moved to California, Bob rerecorded the song by taking off the silly kids answers and putting Oliver's voice on the same identical track. The rest is history. I'm sure my version (if it can be found anywhere) is very valuable right now. So look for it guys. Another bit of info for the trivia buffs is that while out in Hollywood doing the Shindig show, the producers came to me and offered me a position as a regular on the show along with Bobby Sherman and Glenn Campbell. I, of course, was excited and said, "Yes". A few weeks later...the show was pulled from the air. And the 3rd and final story is regarding my recording of "Summertime Guy". The record looked like it was going to take off big time. Then, while in Chicago, getting ready to perform it on a TV show...I was called into the control room and told that I'd have to perform the "B" side of the record. Apparently they discovered that Summertime Guy was written by Chuck Barris who was Vice-President of ABC at the time and they considered it a conflict of interest. Therefore, Summertime Guy was immediately pulled from all ABC Radio and TV affiliates. Why the hell they didn't discover this when he wrote Palisades Park is beyond me. But that one seemed to slip through. Forgot to mention that "Summetime Guy" went on to become the theme song on the Newlywed Game which was a Chuck Barris Production. Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:55:08 -0000 From: Bob Subject: Girl Group Video About 3 years ago PBS aired a concert titled "Hey La Hey La The Girl Groups Are Back". Does anyone know where I can purchase the DVD or VHS tape of this performance? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:46:56 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Virginia Wolves Mark wrote: > Austin--The Virginia Wolves on ABC--were they the same > Virginia Wolves who had a solitary single on Amy? The > A-side was a nice uptempo version of "Stay", the B-side > entitled "B.L.T". Hi Mark, I finally got info on my Virginia Wolves. It was a fellow Virginian named Johnny Reese and myself who normally did harder type music (rock and R&B) together in the Va.Beach area with groups like Bill Deal and the Rhondells. The title of Johnny's and my release was "Can't Believe That You're In Love With Me" backed with "Rose Pedals Everwhere She Goes." Came out in 1967. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:15:58 EST From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Re: Concrete & Clay Clark Besch wrote: > I have video of you performing "Concrete & Clay" on Cleveland's > syndicated "Upbeat" show, with a little conversation with host Don > Webster, I believe. You seemed to have a good personality for TV. > Anyway, welcome!! > PS. No doubt you've heard "Concrete & Clay" recently on a TV > commercial. What do you think of that? Here's the complete story on "Concrete and Clay". Bob Crewe went to London and returned with a demo of "Concrete and Clay" and thought it would be a good song for me. The demo turned out to be the actual Unit 4 + 2's release on London Records (I believe it was). The writers (who were also members of the Unit 4 + 2) made a simple demo of the song and this demo was released AFTER my release on Dynovoice. The demo contained simple orchestration. Charlie Calello (arranger on my version) developed a more substantial arrangement adding strings and a sensational guitar fill in the break. Would love a copy of that video of the UPBEAT show, Clark. My Email address is And as far as "Concrete and Clay" being used in a national TV came as quite a surprise. But boy did I get the calls from friends the minute it hit the air waves. Thanks for the welcome. Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 12:28:52 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Austin Roberts - Upbeat TV show. Can't help but tell this story,though the jokes on me: In 1968,I had my first release with Phillips Records (actually my first real release,though I mentioned the Virginia Wolves release when I was in the Marines and couldn't have helped anyway) called Mary And Me. So the label sent me on a long radio and TV promotion tour and one of the stops was Cleveland to do interviews at radio staions and,most important, to do Don Webster's upbeat show. Marv Johnson and Bobby Goldsboro (who's a buddy now)were on the taping as well. (sorry to be so verbose but I'm not proud of thepunch line,though,I guess it was pretty funny). I was sitting on some gym stand seats when my time came to tape. Someone had worked out some choreography for this pretty girl to be dancing around me while I sat on a stool and lipsanc (weird word) the song. Then I was supposed to stand up near the end and dance with her (remember it was mid 1968). OK, I sat on the stool and the song started and the girl danced and I lipsanc. When it was time for me to dance, I stood up and the friggin' stool stood up with me at an almost 45 degree angle. I had sat on a large glob of bubblegum in the stands before I went on (you'd think a grown man of 22 would know if he'd sat on that much bubblegum that clung to his pants). Anyway, Don was great as he asked me something about how did I do that and I told him that part of my act was magic. I don't know if it made the show but Webster and the kids broke up and I went and changed pants. Great artist's career beginning, eh? (sorry for any typos) Best, Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:50:27 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: So Nice Sean Anglum wrote: > The intro to "California Girls" > If this isn't on everyone's list, something's wrong! > - bgv on "You Didn't Have to be so Nice" Mike McKay wrote: > I'm SO glad you mentioned this, Sean! This is my > favorite Lovin' Spoonful > song of all ... it positively radiates warmth, and > not just from Sebastian's lead > vocals, but the wonderful backing vox as well. Unlike most of the Spoonful stuff "You Didn't Have To Be So Nice" was mainly a Steve Boone tune that Sebastian added his input to. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 26 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:17:18 -0000 From: Fred Clemens Subject: Re: Ed Rambeau/Diane Renay Ed Rambeau wrote: > Thanks to computers I just in back in touch with > Diane Renay after 40 years...and saw her recently in New Jersey where > I appeared as a surprise to her at the Old Time Radio Convention > held at the Holiday Inn in Newark annually. It was good to see her > after all these years. I was there at the Convention, and saw you surprise Diane, along with Bud Rehak, and her former manager, Dan Crewe (Bob Crewe's Brother). You then performed your "Concrete And Clay" live, accompanied by Brian Gari on guitar and Ronnie Allen on the piano. You later dueted with Diane on "Kiss Me Sailor", where Diane's vocal was lyp-synched. It was simply amazing! Diane was genuinely surprised (I caught it on video). I had done a phone interview with Diane in January, 1999 (Super Bowl Sunday), and it was my first time meeting her in person at the Convention. It's a shame she won't perform (sing live) anymore, but she does take her singing seriously. Hopefully she'll reconsider. To learn more about our meeting and other encounter, along with an audio portion of the 1999 interview telling how her name came about, go here, and then about half way down the page. Fred Clemens -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 27 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:56:55 -0800 (PST) From: steveo Subject: Re: Concrete & Clay Ed Rambeau wrote: > It's interesting that depending on where you lived > in the country as > to whether or not you grew up with my version or the > Unit 4 + 2's > version of "Concrete and Clay". Some cities played > only my version, > others played theirs. As far as original songs >'s always the > version you grew up with that becomes your favorite. > Anyone who grew > up listening to mine doesn't take a liking to the > Unit 4 + 2's > version and vice versa. It's just the nature of the > beast. Ed, got a kick out of the tv commercial that brought back the song "concrete and clay"I do remember the unit 2+4's version on "London records"in 1964. Steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 28 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:56:27 EST From: Ed Rambeau Subject: Re: Concrete and Clay Previously: > "Concrete and Clay" has always been one of my favorites -- Stu, Ira, > and I used to sing it, a cappella, on the street corners of the Bronx > in the 1960s. In the Bronx, huh? Well, then you must have grown up with the Unit 4 + 2's version because I didn't get much air play in NY. A cappella, no less. I've often sung it a cappella myself because sometimes when I was on the road the bands were so bad I decided to sing it without them. Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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