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Spectropop - Digest Number 1263

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Since Gary Went In The Navy
           From: Austin Roberts 
      2. Don Costa; Danny Williams
           From: Mike Edwards 
      3. Ed Rambeau thanks all for the kind welcome.
           From: Eddie Rambeau 
      4. Thanks from Ed Rambeau
           From: Eddie Rambeau 
      5. Since Gary Went In The Navy - Marcy Joe
           From: Mick Patrick 
      6. Re: Lorna Dune
           From: James Botticelli 
      7. Re: Spine Tingling moments
           From: Steven Prazak 
      8. Spirit of  '66
           From: Ed B 
      9. Re: Lorna Dune
           From: Tom Taber 
     10. Collecting records and gender.
           From: Julio Niño.
     11. Re: Check Burry's baseball verse
           From: Mike McKay 
     12. Re: Chuck Berry's best
           From: Tom Taber 
     13. WKYC Cleveland/Sandusky's Monk
           From: Al Quaglieri 
     14. Re: The Outsiders and "Time Won't Let Me"
           From: Mac Joseph 
     15. Re: It's the Munx, Not Monk!/Spine Tingling Moments
           From: Clark Besch 
     16. Re: Thanks Austin
           From: Joe Nelson 
     17. Peter Udell
           From: Austin Roberts 
     18. Bob Gallo - sixties productions
           From: Davie Gordon 
     19. Re: Chuck Berry's best/Austin Roberts
           From: Austin Roberts 
     20. Christopher Neil
           From: csasml2007 
     21. Re:  Hair-raising moments
           From: Austin Roberts 
     22. Jon Brion!!! and "Organic" and Chutzpah
           From: Albabe Gordon 
     23. Virginia Wolves
           From: Austin Roberts 
     24. Re: Eddie Rambeau
           From: David Coyle 
     25. Re: Vinyl Junkies
           From: Austin Roberts 

Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:40:09 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Since Gary Went In The Navy Hey, does anybody know of a record called "Since Gary Went In The Navy" (about Gary Troxel of the Fleetwoods)? I think Billy Meshel wrote it, but I can't remember who sung it. I think it was Diane something. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:41:28 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Don Costa; Danny Williams Steveo writes: > Anybody have any great stories about genius arranger Don Costa? > Would love to hear them. In the early days of the British Invasion, UK singer, Danny Williams, had a US top-10 hit with "White On White" (United Artists, 1964), an American song written by Bernice Ross and Lor Crane. (This due also gave us Patty Duke's great "Don't Just Stand There" a year later). "White On White" was issued in the UK on HMV but was not a hit. The HMV label reads, "accompaniment directed by Don Costa". Did Danny go to the US to record this or did Don go to the UK? Was somebody trying to break Danny into the US market along the lines of, say, Matt Monro? Whatever the story, it's a super recording with Danny coming on like a soulful Bobby Vinton. Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:43:53 -0000 From: Eddie Rambeau Subject: Ed Rambeau thanks all for the kind welcome. I would like to thank all those who have welcomed me to Spectropop. It was especially great to hear that so many remembered me and my recordings and writings. I'm still recording and have 9 CDs available only through my website at where Spectropop members can listen to several sample songs from 2 of my current CDs. Each CD is a different genre. There's a country, a pop, a Sinatra, a Brazilian, 02 Broadway CDs and a few more. I'm currently working on an all up-tempo CD that is going to be entitled: "RAMBEAU ON FIRE". A great deal of my new recordings can also be heard on Gold Radio at - The DJ's there have been very kind to me...with a little push from Rosemarie Edwards. So take the opportunity to listen and/or download them and enjoy. And to anyone out there who has an original 45 RPM copy of "Concrete and Clay" I'd only like to say one thing........ .....You're Old! LOL, Ed Rambeau. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:50:32 -0000 From: Eddie Rambeau Subject: Thanks from Ed Rambeau Thank you so much, Mike Edwards, for that kind welcome (both musically and verbally). The posting of "ONLY YESTERDAY" was so very nice of you to do. I hope the members enjoy it as much as I enjoyed writing it. Much love to all and especially you, Mike. Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:34:15 -0000 From: Mick Patrick Subject: Since Gary Went In The Navy - Marcy Joe Austin Roberts: > Hey, does anybody know of a record called "Since Gary Went In The > Navy" (about Gary Troxel of the Fleetwoods)? I think Billy Meshel > wrote it, but I can't remember who sung it. I think it was Diane > something. Hi Austin, "Since Gary Went In The Navy" was recorded by Marcy Joe 0n Robbee 115 in 1961. Her real name was Marcy Rae Sockel and she was from Pittsburgh. The song was written by J. Richards and S. Meshel, arranged and conducted by Lennie Martin, and produced by Lennie and Lou. "Lou" is actually Lou Christie, another Pittsburgh native. This number was also recorded by Roberta Wynn on Jubilee 5405. Our new colleague Ed Rambeau made some records with Marcy. Maybe he can tell us a bit more about her. I found a copy of this record in New York last year for $1. Not bad! I've posted it to musica. Fans of the "Early Girl" style might like it: Hey la, Mick Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:51:50 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Lorna Dune Phil Milstein wrote: > Interesting! So (Lorna) was a British woman who lived in the > NYC area and did regular session work in the studios there? Artie Wayne replied: > Phil..........both Lorna and Gary Wright were natives of New > Jersey. I guess most people think they were English because > Gary was in Spooky Tooth. Phil's prolly from Jersey hisself~ :-)) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:15:05 -0500 From: Steven Prazak Subject: Re: Spine Tingling moments Most of those "moments" for me come out of the mouth of Carl Wilson: - the humming in the middle of "God Only Knows" - the middle eight of "Long Promised Road" - the chorus of "Our Sweet Love" - when Carl is joined by the rest of the BB voices in "Full Sail" And brother Brian is responsible for most of the rest of a very lengthy list! But outside of the fertile Wilson territory: - Ronnie Spector's "oh baby"s in "I Wish I Never Saw the Sunshine" - Bill Medley's opening "there's a lotta things I want" in "Just Once In My Life" - Scott Walker's "loneliness is a cloak you wear" in the "Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore" ....and I better stop before I dribble into the keyboard! But a different "moment" of more recent vintage occured right here at Spectropop with Artie Wayne's welcoming of Al Kooper (from 15 Jan.) to our little playground. It's instances and recollections like that which make Spectropop such a wonderful destination. Steven Prazak Atlanta, GA -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:48:45 -0000 From: Ed B Subject: Spirit of '66 Hello, Concerning recent posts for Michael Brown and Left Banke, I recently came across an interesting album: "Spirit of '66" - J.C. Penney presents an evening with Michael Brown and His Friends Musically, not too good even with songs like "Rockin' With The Mods" and "There's Gonna Be A Party Tonight." -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 07:17:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Lorna Dune John Fox wrote: > Now if I can only keep from asking Artie Wayne if > Lorna Dune was ever in The Cookies. I can resist no longer asking if any of the Dixie Cups ever went Solo, or sang with Dora Hall. Tom Taber, who also asks why the picture sleeve he found last week for a Dora song mentioned only Solo Cups, and neither Dora Hall nor the enclosed 45? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:34:33 -0000 From: Julio Niño. Subject: Collecting records and gender. Hi everyone, These last few days, ideas have circulated about justifying why collecting, and in particular collecting records, is much more frequent in men than in women. This asymmetry is an indisputable fact indeed. Just another idea to consider: Collecting records is, at least for many, a mode of self-reinforcement or a mechanism of being socially appreciated. Many human instincts, among them morals, are rooted in the fact that Homo Sapiens is a herd animal and out of the necessity of a system of some sort to maintain the group as a whole. The males of many mammal species reaffirm their social position in a group by mechanisms of comparing or competing: more (bigger) horns, more (bigger) muscles, more.......... So, maybe record collecting could be linked to this type of behavior. Chao, Julio Niño. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:12:38 EST From: Mike McKay Subject: Re: Check Burry's baseball verse Phil Milstein: > "Two, three the count with nobody on" > For those not hep to the ways of baseball, there is no two-three > count. Three-two, sure, but two-three would technically be a > strikeout, and so the same batter could not then > "He hit a high fly into the stand" Way off-topic for this group, but I can't help point it out anyway because I'm such a huge fan of his... Speaking of "slips," on an alternate version of "Mr. Highway Man" (released on one of his many compilations), Howlin' Wolf -- barrelling along in full-out boogie mode -- sings "green light is 'stop,' red light is 'go'." Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:57:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Chuck Berry's best Guy Lawrence wrote: > - then there's the stunning baseball verse. In that verse, Chuck says "2 - 03 the count." If such a count is reached in baseball (2 balls, 03 strikes), the batter is already on his way back to the dugout, as he has "struck out." Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:00:21 -0500 From: Al Quaglieri Subject: WKYC Cleveland/Sandusky's Monk Clark Besch wrote: > Also, I just got done listening to an early 68 aircheck > of Chuck Dann on WKYC Cleveland. He played a local group, > Sandusky's Monk, as far as I can tell. Oddly, it was a > remake of the Tymes' "So Much in Love". The Munx, Jubilee 5634. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:41:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mac Joseph Subject: Re: The Outsiders and "Time Won't Let Me" Mark wrote: > The guy who could best answer this question is my friend Tom > King (lead guitarist for the Outsiders/co-writer of > "Time Won't Let Me"). Hey Mark; That is so cool! Tom King and I think the other fellow's name was Chet Kelley that wrote that classic. It's too bad he's not on Spectropop, I'll bet he has some GREAT stories. Thanks again, my new friend. Mac Joseph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:20:18 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: It's the Munx, Not Monk!/Spine Tingling Moments Mark wrote: > First off, as I mentioned in the subject title, the name of the > group you wanted info on is the MUNX, not Monk. > Secondly, the song "Behind the Trees"--the correct title is > "Our Dream" (confusing, I know, as the title is mentioned > nowhere in the lyrics). It came out locally on the Clevetown > label (I might still have a spare copy of this, if you're > interested), with a more garage-y song, "Girls Girls Girls" on > the flip. Great record that did well enough around the North Coast > to get picked up by Jubilee (#5612), who also issued the > follow-up, "So Much in Love"/"Why Did You Run Away" (#5634). > Wish I knew more about the band itself. They may be mentioned > in Deanna Adams' book "Rock and Roll and the Cleveland > Connection", which I have yet to read (good excuse to visit the > library). Mark, THANKS SO MUCH! I've been wondering about "Our Dream" ever since I recorded it off WKYC in '68 or so. (66? Can't remember.) Anyway, I'd love to buy your extra copy if you have one. I figured "So Much In Love" was the flip, since I could never find a listing for the group. Funny that my tape and the aircheck tape both gave the name as "Sandusky's Monk". I think I've seen the Munx 45 before at shows and such. Now I know what it is! Thanks so much. Spine tingling moments: Latest: the above. Isn't it just GREAT when you find out about a song you've searched for for decades??!! Also: - The opening notes of "Look through Any Window" - Hollies. - "I first saw you in a magazine" from the Cryan Shames' "I Wanna Meet You." - "You Gotta Be loved all the way, every hour every day..." from the Montanas' classic. - The opening guitar and "whoa whoa whoa" from Free's "All Right Now." - The opening piano and drum roll of the Buckinghams' "Back in Love Again". - "Baby it's you, for you" - great finish of "I Will Always Think About You" by the New Colony 6, plus that great opening bass guitar note. - Opening guitar and bongos of "Karma" by PF Sloan. - And from our group, the production on the ending "ba-ba ba ba..." of "Happy Together". So many more. There's probably at least one in every one of my favorite 1000 45s! Great moments in history! Take care, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:00:09 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Thanks Austin Previously: > Austin Roberts, thanks AGAIN for your prompt (and twice!!) > responses. My younger sister and I both fell in love with > "Something's Wrong With Me" in the late fall of '72 when > there seemed to be a shortage of really good melodic stuff > on the Top 40--I was tired of "I Can See Clearly Now", > "Your Mama Don't Dance" and "Baby, Don't Get Hooked On Me". > Love the organ thing in the background particularly after > the phrase "the tears of a clown". Since we're asking questions, I always wondered if that string note that never seemed to end at the end of the chorus was an ARP or a Mellotron/Chamberlain. Probably the latter - listen on the CD and you can hear drop outs in the tape loop - but I've never been sure. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:37:20 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Peter Udell Bob Rashkow wrote: > Austin Roberts, thanks AGAIN for your prompt (and twice!!) > responses. My younger sister and I both fell in love with > "Something's Wrong With Me" in the late fall of '72 when > there seemed to be a shortage of really good melodic stuff > on the Top 40-- > Gary Geld and Peter Udell are the greatest!! Were they > themselves "The Banned" on Fontana? Absolute song-penning > brilliance! Bobster, Thanx again. As regards Peter Udell (Geld/Udell of course), he is doing great and living in the Poconos with his wife and young son (keeps Peter young). I write with him occasionally and was happy to hook him up with my buddy Jack Keller in Nashville in the 90s. They're wrting great stuff together. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:39:27 -0000 From: Davie Gordon Subject: Bob Gallo - sixties productions BOB GALLO's sixties productions Here's a partial list of his credits - I think his earliest work was on the New York sessions by (former Beatle) Pete Best that turned up on labels like Mr.Maestro and Cameo but I don't have any hard info. I'm sure one of the Beatles' experts can confirm if this is true. In a few cases where I'm not certain that Bob produced I've noted "possible" - confirmation of the actual production credits would be appreciated. 10/64 You Know Who Group "Roses Are Red My Love" (4 Corners 113) [first issued on Casual 84621] ??/66 The Undertakers "Throw Your Love Away Girl" (Black Watch 5546) [this was the final, NY recorded, single by Jackie Lomax's group] Bob joined Atlantic in 1966 more or less as a replacement for Bert Berns who'd left the label to concentrate on the Bang and Shout labels. 08/66 Ben E King "I Swear by The Stars Above" (Atco 6431) 11/66 The Drifters "Baby What I Mean" (Atlantic 2366) 12/66 Aesop's Fables "Hidin' My Love" (Atco 6453) (prod. Lou Lofredo,Bob Gallo) 12/66 Patti LaBelle & the Bluebelles "Take Me For a Little While" (2373) 12/66 Ben E King "What Is Soul" (Atco 6454) 01/67 Solomon Burke "Keep A Light In The Window" (2378) 02/67 Bobby Womack "Find Me Somebody" (2388) 03/67 Mary Wells "Hey You Set My Soul On Fire" (Atco 6469) 04/67 Ben E King "Tears,Tears,Tears" (Atco 6472) 05/67 Don Covay "Forty Days,Forty Nights" (2407) 06/67 Ben E King "Katherine" (Atco 6493) 08/67 Aesop's Fables "Girl,I've Got News For You" (Atco 6508) no prod. credited 09/67 Aesop's Fables "Take A Step" (Atco 6523) no prod. credited 03/68 Aesop's Fables "Slow and Easy" (Atco 6565) [Louis LoFredo Productions] 07/68 Aesop's Fables "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me" (Cadet Concept 7008) 12/68 Sounds of Modification "Carry On Carole" (Jubilee 5640) 12/68 The Naked Truth "The Wall" (Jubilee 5642) ??/69 Sounds of Modification "Umbrella Song" (Jubilee 5653) - possible ??/69 Aesop's Fables "Temptation 'Bout To Get Me" (Cadet Concept 7011) - possible ??/69 Aesop's Fables "What Is Love" (Cadet Concept 7015) - possible 04/72 The Vibrations "Wind Up Toy" (Mandala 2511) 05/72 Ben E King "Take Me To The Pilot" (Mandala 2512) ??/72 Ben E King "Into The Mystic" (Mandala 2513) ??/72 The Vibrations "Man Overboard" (Mandala 2514) ??/73 Ben E King "Spread Myself Around" (Mandala 2518) In the late seventies he moved to Canada where he worked with people like one of Canada's earliest punk-influenced groups the Diodes. For some reason, possibly a reference in a CD booklet, it's been said that "Bob Gallo" was a pseudonym for NY session guitarist Eric Gale - I'm sure this is wrong but maybe one of one of NY Spectroppers Emeritus can give us their input. A belated welcome to Al, Artie, Ron and Lloyd - I'm sure you'll get as much enjoyment from Spectropop as we do from your posts. Davie Gordon - even further behind than Country Paul :-) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:35:26 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Chuck Berry's best/Austin Roberts Thanx guy. I do remember the song now; it was Mary Wanna Go Around with Me (I couldn't stay away from writing Mary songs, but I swear they had no toke in them) and I found out what happened with it. It's on the early album cover that was like a rainbow, with the songs as the colors, and I believe the very first pressings, though I'm not sure. Then there was some publishing dispute between my publisher and K and K, the first month I was Red (or whatever), the next Dead. They took it off. I had forgotten most of that, but I asked a secret old friend who insists on anonimity, for whatever reason cause you guys would love him. Anyway that's the story and I'm stickin' to it. Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:59:29 -0000 From: csasml2007 Subject: Christopher Neil One of the greatest albums of the early 70s was Christopher Neil - Where I Belong. It's a singer-songwriter and his LP was released by RAK Unfortunately I don't have his 45s with "Here We Go" This music is great and had a little airplay in a radio station here in Rio de Janeiro There a producer with the same name but I don't have a clue if are the same guy. He produced Sheena Easton in early 80s. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:56:40 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Hair-raising moments I was lucky enough to hear a bootleg version of the original Byrds demo of Tambourine Man and it was in C whereas the record was in D which makes double sense since McGuinn's vocal sounded better in D and his Ric' 12 string riff was played on on more open strings which punched better. Austin R. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:36:11 -0800 From: Albabe Gordon Subject: Jon Brion!!! and "Organic" and Chutzpah Peter Kearns said of Organic Sound / Jon Brion: >"And I would definitely recommend LA producer Jon Brion." Hey Peter! I love Jon's stuff. His Gray's album (with ex Jellyfisher, Jason Falkner) is tremendous! His work with Badly Drawn Boy (from the movie "About A Boy"), Susanna Hoffs, Sara Hickman, T. P. and the Heartbreakers and Aimee Mann is fantastic! He's also on the Faulkner-less 2nd Jellyfish album: Spilt Milk. Great writer and arranger. Very organic sounding stuff... but I can hear sequencers in his stuff too... So in terms of organic or digital; isn't it "What you do with what you got", rather than "What you got?" My Mom used to say that... but I was an ugly kid and needed the Hootspa.. ~albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:16:20 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Virginia Wolves Hi all, I seem to be full of questions today. Does anyone remember the Virginia Wolves. It was my first authentic release; it was on the ABC label but I can't remember what the A side was. I believe it was I Can't Believe That You're In Love With Me, but I'm just not sure The B side was Rose Pedals Everywhere She Goes (It was about a girl on a bicycle). It even got a Billboard Top 60 Pick. Unfortunately, at the time it was released in 1967, I was at Parris Island, SC (not a summer resort) having just joined the Marine Corps. I didn't dare let them know or the Drill Instructors would've put it 'where the sun don't shine'. Anyway, I know that's an obscure one but you guys come up with some fantastic info. Appreciate it, Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:03:46 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Eddie Rambeau I've never heard Eddie Rambeau's version of "Concrete And Clay". I'm sure it's good, but I'm hard pressed to want to like anything other than Unit 4+2's's just a magic 1965 moment. Seems to me an odd hit having such an overt Drifters sound in a year where the Drifters must have been out of fashion. As for "Navy Blue" and "Kiss Me Sailor", I was never too keen on "Navy Blue" as I always hated those "I love my wonderful boyfriend who treats me so tenderly" type songs. But I will say the backing on "Navy Blue" blows me away, particularly those "bump-bah-bump, bump-bah-bump" trumpet blasts that preface the chorus and that cheesy keyboard solo. I just heard "Kiss Me Sailor" on a digital oldies station the other day, and it's a prime example of a follow-up to a hit done in an almost identical style. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:03:29 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Vinyl Junkies Mike: > A belated Antipodean welcome to Austin Roberts (loved your > stuff since I was a lot smaller than I am now ;), > and Ron Dante (same spiel...). Never thought I'd see the day > when I could talk to you. Thanks Mike, Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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