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Spectropop - Digest Number 1259



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               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Spine shiverers
           From: John Fox 
      2. To Introduce myself
           From: Eddie Rambeau 
      3. Todd Rundgren
           From: Eddy 
      4. Female Record Collectors
           From: Lapka Larry 
      5. The Outsiders and "Time Won't Let Me"
           From: Maac Joseph 
      6. Re: Mark Wirtz
           From: Mad Mark 
      7. Collectors
           From: Ian Slater 
      8. Record Shops in London...
           From: Martin Jensen 
      9. Re: "You Gave Me Somebody to Love"
           From: Superoldies 
     10. Re: Austin Roberts' "One Word" by the Grass Roots
           From: Austin Roberts 
     11. Rudy Clark: A King Among Men! ("The Shoop Shoop Song")
           From: C Ponti 
     12. Recently discovered knockouts
           From: Ruby 
     13. Re: Spine-shiver moments
           From: Sean Anglum 
     14. Re: Big ol' record-collecting gals
           From: John Berg 
     15. Re: ELO
           From: Austin Roberts 
     16. Re: Inept / Mistakes
           From: Austin Roberts 
     17. Re: Lloyd Thaxton
           From: Clark Besch 
     18. Re: "Like To Get to Know You"
           From: ACJ 
     19. Stupid songs
           From: Phil Hall 
     20. Felice Taylor
           From: Jackie 
     21. Re: Lorna Dune
           From: Phil Milstein 
     22. Chuck Chuck, Bo Buck
           From: Phil Milstein 
     23. Re: benefit for Paul Atkinson
           From: Austin Roberts 
     24. Thanks Austin; Spine-tingling; Answers
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     25. Re: the (un)original hits by the original artists!
           From: C Ponti 


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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:16:17 EST From: John Fox Subject: Re: Spine shiverers Alan Haber wrote: > I'm curious about other S'poppers' spine-shiver moments. Since we're all using S-pop to share our innermost trivial pursuits and fantasies for Mary Weiss and others, I'll go to the couch and admit the 2 parts of songs that give me the chills every time I hear them: when Dion sings "Has anybody here seen my old friend Bobby" in Abraham, Martin and John (BTW, happy birthday, Martin), and the very last line with the title sung in the Darlene Love Christmas classic, "(winter it's a) Marshmallow World". There, I said it. Now if I can only keep from asking Artie Wayne if Lorna Dune was ever in The Cookies. John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:09:06 -0000 From: Eddie Rambeau Subject: To Introduce myself Hi folks, this is Eddie Rambeau and I've heard a great deal about this group from my web designer, Rosemarie Edwards, in England. She told me it's a must join, so I'd like to take this opportunity to invite all members to visit my JUKEBOX RAMBEAU group. Just go to http://www.edrambeau.com and click on the JOIN THE FAN CLUB LINK. At the bottom of that page you'll see how to join JUKEBOX RAMBEAU. At the Jukebox, 05 songs are always available to listen to and/or download at no cost. One of the 5 songs is replaced daily with a new song. Keep in mind that it's a private group so you'll have to be approved, but this will be no problem for anyone who is a member of Spectropop. For those of you who do not remember me....my hit in 1965 was "Concrete and Clay" and I also wrote Diane Renay's "NAVY BLUE" and "KISS ME, SAILOR" along with many other top 100 songs. Hope this find all the members of this group well and let me also take this opportunity to wish you all a very Happy New Year. Ed Rambeau -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:34:14 +0100 From: Eddy Subject: Todd Rundgren The influences on Todd Rundgren were mentioned a little while ago, including his admiration for Laura Nyro. Here's what Moogy Klingman wrote on the subject: Laura Nyro was a tremendous influence on TR and I. We both started writing piano songs after listening to her album, "Eli and the Thirteenth Confession". Laura Nyro inspired both of us to become songwriters. After Eli came out, TR began to play piano endlessly, and taking Laura's chords to other worlds. In fact, in TR's piano based songs, (which are most of his songs), there is no greater influence than Laura Nyro. I, likewise, was blown away by hearing the "Eli" album. It was a completely obscure record, and bonded us together after first meeting each other (we found the record independent of each other)...Our immediate bond was how much we loved Laura Nyro. TR even wrote a song about her on his first album, based on how poorly she performed at the troubadour (an LA club), and the fact that TR had dinner with her, later! <> Todd would honestly, almost never listen to rock music when I was around. He hated for anyone to think of him as a fan of anyone. Mostly, he loved to condemn other rock music. But, I can tell you his earliest influences were the Beatles and the Who. In the early days of the first "Runt", all his guitar moves were based on Peter Townsend. His singing was based on many Philly soul black acts, and his Utopia band concept had as much to do with the Mahavishnu Orchestra as with Yes. Moogy. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:44:10 -0800 (PST) From: Lapka Larry Subject: Female Record Collectors Dear All: I know of two female record collectors: my wife and my daughter (my wife is not my daughter's mother, so there is no record bloodline there; my daughter is from my first marriage). My wife collects Liza Minnelli and Judy Garland, and she loves disco and some of the current dance related pap you hear on the radio today. My daughter is into whatever current teen crazes there are. I think most men try not to give up their childhood passions, and I still have my comic book collection as well as my record collection. Women tend to move onto other things, while men usually do too, but manage to stay close to the stuff that they enjoyed when they were kids. Women also have a disease called throwawayitis. If it isn't properly place, it is in the garbage. I can absolutely remember the first time I ever talked back to my mom (by the way, she also collects records, come to think of it). She threw out a whole load of may comic books in about 1963. I took them out of the garbage, and in my six year old vernacular told her in no uncertain terms not to touch my things. I still have each and every one of those comic books today. On another subject, I will join in on the chorus-- Please, Mr. Thaxton, please release some DVDs of the material you have. And also, what was your connection to the teen magazine scene in the 1960s? Wasn't your name on Tiger Beat (I think it was that one) for quite a while? Larry Lapka -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:46:10 -0800 (PST) From: Maac Joseph Subject: The Outsiders and "Time Won't Let Me" Good Morning Fellow Spectroppers; Got a question for you good folks. From what I have been told, Al Austin, the guitarist that did that beautiful guitar work on "Time won't let Me" was something of a Cleveland local guitar legend. I was wondering if any of you could expand on that, like who else did he play with, and where he might be today. Thanks in advance folks! Mac Joseph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:52:42 -0500 From: Mad Mark Subject: Re: Mark Wirtz Alan Gordon: > Congratulations Mark and good luck with this wonderful project Well, well, well -- thank you, Alan, that is high praise coming from you. Please don't be offended by me doing the following, namely to give the precise, up-to-date info on the two related projects. Both are entitled "Love Is Eggshaped". The book is out now, available on Amazon & major book stores. The same titled, separately sold, soundtrack album is by 'The Mark Wirtz Ear Theater', featuring guest performances by the fabulous Spyderbaby, and the original 'Mood Mosaic" Ladybirds Maggie Stredder and Kay Garner, both of whom are still kicking ass! The album release is projected for late February. I shall keep a promise I made on Spectropop a few weeks ago, by soon either posting the Spyderbaby featured single, "Learning 2 Live With Love", right here, or give a non-public access URL where S'Poppers that are interested can preview the thing as a "taste" of the album. Thank you again, Alan... And keep writing those bloody nice songs you are currently coming up with. Your two contributions to Spyderbaby's own album shine like gold! Warm best, "Mad" Mark Wirtz :) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:37:38 -0000 From: Ian Slater Subject: Collectors Regarding the lack of female record collectors, I think this is true of ALL collecting. There aren't many female stamp collectors, train spotters, book collectors, art collectors etc either. Women at record fairs etc. are most likely looking for bargains or specific items to listen to rather than hoard. Kleptomania is a male preserve. Goes back to the hunting instinct, I expect... Yours philosophically, Ian Slater -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:49:08 -0000 From: Martin Jensen Subject: Record Shops in London... Hi I'm going to London next month in order to see Brian Wilson perform Smile, and since I've never been there, I wondered if someone here could recommend any good records shops with CDs of Spectropopper interest? I'm thinking Girl group stuff, 50s & 60s pop & soul, sunshine pop, Japanese imports, reissues and collections by the likes of Sundazed, Rhino, Rev-ola, Collectibles and such. As I don't know my way around London, you'd better tell me which subway station lies closest to the shops you might recommend. Thanks in advance With regards Martin, Denmark :-) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:09:07 -0000 From: Superoldies Subject: Re: "You Gave Me Somebody to Love" Manfred Mann did a version, as well as The Sidekicks as a B-side of one of their 45s. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:59:33 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Austin Roberts' "One Word" by the Grass Roots Glen: > Written by Austin Roberts and John Hill > Actually I wrote it with Chris Welch. They must've made > an error in the credits. Hi Glen, That was a fun one with the Roots. Steve let me play acoustic guitar with the Wrecking Crew to get the writer's feel. What a thrill. Best pop musicians (not me) in the world, I think. Appreciate the kind words. Best, Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:40:41 -0000 From: C Ponti Subject: Rudy Clark: A King Among Men! ("The Shoop Shoop Song") Consider this a tip of the Ponti hat to Rudy Clark, composer of "The Shoop Shoop Song (It's In His Kiss)", "Good Lovin'", "If You Got To Make A Fool Of Somebody" and "I Got My Mind Set On You". Remember the tuba on "If You Got..."? I loved that. I was lucky enough to speak with him once. He struck a major blow for the rights of songwriters everywhere in a litigation against some very unattractive publishers. I told him at the time how I loved the production of "The Shoop Shoop Song" and mentioned the marvelous, silly innocence of the xylophone solo. It had one very noticeable wrong note and was slightly out of tune with the track, but worked. Rudy rules in my book... C Ponti -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:30:11 -0000 From: Ruby Subject: Recently discovered knockouts John Sellards wrote: > What is the one vintage song you've recently discovered > that completely knocked you out? "Leaning On You" by the Yo-Yos. Sound quality - sucks. Song - gorgeous to the point that you don't care if it sounds like it was recorded with a Fisher Price tape recorder. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:25:57 -0700 From: Sean Anglum Subject: Re: Spine-shiver moments Alan Haber said > I'm curious about other S'poppers' spine-shiver moments. There are so many, and most are lurking at the edge of memory, bursting forth only when you're re-listening to something. That's one of the things that keeps drawing me back to my music collection, to relive those spine-shiver moments again and again. I'll take a stab at a few: - When the jangle of the guitar starts 8 or 12 measures into "Go Back" by Crabby Appleton. - When Allan Clarke sings "Been so bad, baby" on "I Can't Let Go" - Last notes on "She Loves You" and "I'm Alive" - Bobby Hatfield's high note "please" in "Lost that Lovin' Feelin'" - George Martin's piano break in "In My Life" - Piccolo trumpet in "Penny Lane" - The 7 note rest in "Good Lovin'" - The intro to "California Girls" - The B-3 on "Like a Rolling Stone" - John's voice in "Day in the Life" - Dino's drummming through the second half of "Lonely Too Long" - When they switch to the muted radio-like voice on "Overnight Sensation (Hit Record)" - The Byrd's first time singing "Eight Miles High" - The hypnotic outro to "Isn't It a Pity" - bgv on "You Didn't Have to be so Nice" - The Sparklettes bottle intro to "Caroline, No"...wait, ALL of "Caroline, No" Like I said, TOO MANY! How 'bout other S'poppers? -Sean -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:23:29 EST From: John Berg Subject: Re: Big ol' record-collecting gals While I don't currently know any "women who collect", I raised the question yesterday with my friend Neal, whose global trading connections are far broader and more frequent than mine. He immediately thought of at least 10 women he trades items with (he prefers not to ever let cash be part of these transactions) and named several of them, including a "Christine" on in the northeast and a woman in the Bay area. He noted that they do tend to me more into a particular band -- say Paul Revere & The Raiders -- than most of his male trade-mates, but they are as knowledgeable and passionate about the hobby as he and any of our male fanatic-friends. I used to trade with a woman who was very, very "into" the "pub-rock" scene in the UK (e.g. Bees Makes Honey, Eggs Over Easy, Brinsley Schwarz, Chilli Willi, Ace and many many other bands of the mid-'70s onward who played their music in UK pubs rather than huge halls and auditoriums, a sort of "back-to-the-roots movement) and even self-published a book on the subject. She helped me discover tons of minutia -- and exposed me to some great music I would have otherwise missed -- until she got married. That was it, she dropped off the scene totally and I've not heard from her again. Maybe there is some kind of hint or message there? Women have other scenes in which to focus their energies, like survival, raising a family, keeping a home, being social in a face to face setting with other humans (and I suppose pets!) while males are often content to place their affections into things and abstract "connections". "Venus and Mars"? John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:20:49 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: ELO Bibi LaRed wrote: > Sure, the sounds were sappy love songs (most of them at > least), but it was the unique mixture of Lynne's rugged > voice, Bevan's Slingerlands and Tandy's melodic riffs > (not to mention the string section) that made Lynne a > legend in our own time. At this time, I was also listening > extensively to Annie Haslam & Renaissance. These were called > classical rock bands, which I feel Renaissance was much more > classical than rock! :) Hey Bibi, I think Annie Haslam's clear, beautiful, 'olde English' voice is one of the best ever. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:11:38 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Inept / Mistakes The thing about some of the oldies stations is that they seem to be forced to play remakes of great original singles. I'll bet that drives more than just me nuts. There are a lot of us who can hear the slightest change in the vocals. Austin Poberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:20:27 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Lloyd Thaxton Lou wrote: > We are just a microcosmic group of die hard knuckleheads who are > dying to see your stuff on DVD but keep in mind that there are > thousands upon thousands who have purchased copies of "Hulabaloo", > "Ed Sullivan Show" DVDs as well as questionably legitimate [but > groovy] VHS tapes of "The Big T.N.T. Show", "The T.A.M.I. Show", > etc from places on line like The Video Beat just so we can get a > generous dose of true historic Rock n' Roll greatness. Lou, I would like to see a DVD of Lloyd's shows too. As I mentioned previously, he had the best acts around. I remember he really liked to flirt with the female acts on the show a lot--who could blame him? He also tried harder to get the kids on the show enthused with special interactive events on the show. You also sometimes felt like people just "dropped in", making it seem less formal than the bigger shows. I have on audio when Lloyd interviews Chad & Jeremy in which they supposedly were seen crossing the street and he just pulled them in and they lipsynched "Before & After" I believe. Of course, the Yardbirds' performance has been booted on "Golden Eggs" with Lloyd's interview. I believe they quote a member of the group (on Lp notes) as saying it was live drums and vocals over the record for their performance. Lloyd?? I'm for the DVD's! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:07:41 -0500 (EST) From: ACJ Subject: Re: "Like To Get to Know You" Stewart Mason, I have an original copy of the "Like To Get To Know You" single, and the version we've heard is all there on one side, coda and all. ACJ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:53:18 -0000 From: Phil Hall Subject: Stupid songs What's the most nonsensical song you've ever heard, other than something like "Ne Ne Na Na Na Na Nu Nu"? I'll start it off by nominating "Toom Toom (Is A Little Boy)" by Marie Applebee. Phil Hall -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:08:37 -0500 From: Jackie Subject: Felice Taylor Does anyone know where Felice Taylor is now? Thanks Jackie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:39:46 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Lorna Dune Artie Wayne wrote: > Lorna Dune was Lorna Wright. Gary Wright ["Dreamweaver"] > was her brother. Interesting! So she was a British woman who lived in the NYC area and did regular session work in the studios there? --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:54:58 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Chuck Chuck, Bo Buck My two favorite well-known Chuck Berry songs are "Back In The USA" and "Little Queenie." Take a look at some sample lines from each ... Back In The USA: Looking for a drive-in, searching for a corner cafe Hear hamburgers sizzle on an open griddle night and day Yeah, and a juke-box jumping with records like in the USA ... Anything you want, we got right here in the USA No offense to you fawrners, but this song makes me so proud to be American -- the land of cheeseburgers and jukeboxes! (Alas, no more drive-ins). Chuck romanticizes the ol' juke again in ... Little Queenie: Who's the queen standin' over by the record machine? Well she looks like a model on the cover of a magazine But she's too cute to be a minute over seventeen I said go, go, go, little queenie Meanwhile, I'm still thinkin' If it's a slow one, we'll omit it If it's a rocker, then we'll git it If it's a good one, she'll admit it C'mon queenie, let's get with it Chuck and band, of course, give great performances on the original renderings of both of these. My favorite obscure C.B. song is the utterly haunting "Downbound Train", uncharacteristic of Chuck's style in a number of ways, but an incredible piece of work nonetheless. All of these are Berry, Berry good! --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:17:23 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: benefit for Paul Atkinson The Zombies were one of the most interesting and straight to the ear groups I've ever heard! I'm very sorry to hear about Paul Atkinson. I know he'll be in a lot of people's prayers. Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:39:55 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Thanks Austin; Spine-tingling; Answers Austin Roberts, thanks AGAIN for your prompt (and twice!!) responses. My younger sister and I both fell in love with "Something's Wrong With Me" in the late fall of '72 when there seemed to be a shortage of really good melodic stuff on the Top 40--I was tired of "I Can See Clearly Now", "Your Mama Don't Dance" and "Baby, Don't Get Hooked On Me". Love the organ thing in the background particularly after the phrase "the tears of a clown". Lots of 6Ts records keep giving me moments of both mind and body being turned on. Chord change on Fontella Bass' "Rescue Me" (I need your tender charms....)--Chuck Jackson's voice throughout "Any Day Now" (! ! !) & Dusty Springfield on "Brand New Me" each time she breaks into "Just because of you, boy". Three much more obscure examples of records that send shivers up my spine either at one point of the song or throughout are "I Can" by the Truth (Cadet, 1968) "Falling Sugar" by The Palace Guard (Orange-Empire, 1966) and "My Friend the Wizard" (The Others, Jubilee, 1967, possibly unreleased). I bought Skeeter Davis' answer to Hank Locklin's "Please Help Me, I'm Falling" (I Can't Help You--I'm Falling Too) in Sarasota, Florida. I collect answer records even if they're not among my favorites. I'd pay premium for a good 45 of "I'm The Girl From Wolverton Mountain" or Artie Wayne's own answer to his own "Midnight Mary"! Speaking of Artie Wayne! Gary Geld and Peter Udell are the greatest!! Were they themselves "The Banned" on Fontana? Absolute song-penning brilliance! And I haven't welcomed Ron Dante to Spectropop yet...what's there to say??!! Except what would 6Ts pop have been without him? Welcome to the "Leader of the Laundromat". Ron, did you publish for "Frost Music" on Roulette later on or am I mixing you up with someone different? Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:53:24 -0000 From: C Ponti Subject: Re: the (un)original hits by the original artists! Mike McKay wrote: > "A further consequence: the classic songs heard on > Oldies radio stations are often wildly different from > the way they sounded when they were contemporary > hits...and yet all but the most avid listeners don't > even realize this and come to accept what they hear > today as the real McCoy." Stewart Mason: > The most egregious example I know of this is Spanky > and Our Gang's "Like To Get To Know You," which I knew > and loved first as an oldies radio hit and then on a > used vinyl copy of the compilation SPANKY'S GREATEST > HIT(S). I always marveled at how deeply weird this > song was structurally, with a coda that's nearly as > long as the body of the song itself. So imagine my > disappointment when I laid hands on the original album > and discovered that this was because said coda was > actually a reprise from the end of side two that was > edited onto the song for the compilation, which then > became the standard form of the song! > I've never seen the original single: does it have this > coda edited onto it as well? I worship Spanky & Our Gang! That record and "Sunday Will Never Be The Same" are incredible. I have the "Best Of.." and I wear it out. The guys in that band were in a college choir together and were really good technical singers. McFarlane is as good as it gets and was much more than a Cass Elliot imitator, though many saddled her with that. My other fave is "Give A Damn", which started out as a public service announcement and became a full song.... C Ponti -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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