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Spectropop - Digest Number 1254

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Christine Quaite
           From: Ken Silverwood 
      2. Re: Chuck Berry
           From: Paul Bryant 
      3. Re: Jeff Lynne
           From: Martin Jensen 
      4. Beatles Stereo
           From: Eddy 
      5. Pete Antell
           From: Joe Nelson 
      6. Re: Lloyd Thaxton DVD
           From: Scott Charbonneau 
      7. Lloyd Thaxton
           From: Lou 
      8. Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies
           From: Tom Taber 
      9. "You Gave Me Somebody To Love" - Dreamlovers
           From: John Sellards 
     10. Re: Vinyl Junkies
           From: Craig Davison 
     11. Re: Alvin Robinson
           From: Paul Underwood 
     12. Re: Answer Songs
           From: Andres 
     13. Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies
           From: John Sellards 
     14. Thank YOU !
           From: Austin Roberts 
     15. Chuck THIS !
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     16. Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies
           From: Ruby 
     17. Re: Jeff Lynne
           From: Ruby 
     18. Don Ralke
           From: Peter Richmond 
     19. Re: Sister Rosetta Tharpe
           From: Richard Havers 
     20. Re: Most Inept Hit
           From: Dave Heasman 
     21. Re: Ragin' Cajuns
           From: Phil Milstein 
     22. Re: Lorna Dune / record busy-ness / female collectors
           From: Phil Milstein 
     23. Re: ELO
           From: Rob Stride 
     24. Mark Wirtz
           From: That Alan Gordon 
     25. Knockout Vintage New Discoveries
           From: Mark Tilley 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:49:24 -0000 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: Christine Quaite So what label was Christine Quaite recording for, as Stateside was an umbrella for U S labels. Didn't you just love to see that dollar sign over the first S & the blue cover! Ken On The West Coast. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:39:27 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Chuck Berry Steveo wrote: > There's no one like Chuck Berry for influence... > that's for sure. Chuck says he was influenced by > Muddy Waters....well, I think the whole rock scene > was influenced by Chuck! On the tv programme John & Yoko hosted for one night Chuck was a guest and John introduced him by saying "If it wasn't called rock & roll, it would be called Chuck Berry Music." pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:25:13 -0000 From: Martin Jensen Subject: Re: Jeff Lynne Mark Frumento wrote: > I for one am glad to read posts in defense of Jeff Lynne. > He may not technically be a great producer but he's like > one of us getting a shot at producing (I mean us fans, not > the rest you who were/are producers). Come to think of it > I may be one of the few on Spectropop who never was a producer. > Hmmmm? :>)) Me too, so my untrained ears may mislead me, but to me the music of Lynne, whether it is Electric Light Orchestra, solo or in terms of production, has always sounded quite good & well produced. Especially some of the stuff from the second half of the 70s. Though some might find it a bit polished and glossy. I'm quite sure that Lynne knows quite a lot about production & what to do in a studio. I've read somewhere that even as a teenager living with his parents, he filled up his room with cables, tape players, gadgets, mics, homemade consoles and the likes. AND, lest we forget, he produced the Idle Race's second album by himself, so he got into production at an early age... With regards Martin, Denmark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:56:19 +0100 From: Eddy Subject: Beatles Stereo Joe Nelson: > It seems to me the group had at least become aware that an > alternative to mono existed by 1968, and used it to create two > deliberately different versions of the White Album. (Some > differences, such as the occasional odd overdub added to the > stereo might be attributed to failure to mix out, but how does > one explain the false fade on the stereo "Helter Skelter"?) Personally I think the Beatles didn't have a clue that their stereo versions were so different from their mono albums. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:09:55 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Pete Antell I played Pete Antell's "Night Time" to musica earlier this morning. I know nothing at all about the record, but someone here is bound to know something. Enjoy! Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:43:43 -0000 From: Scott Charbonneau Subject: Re: Lloyd Thaxton DVD Ed B wrote: > I think a Lloyd Thaxton DVD set would be awesome. > Growing up in Boston my vivid memory is The Turtles > performing Grim Reaper of Love and We'll Meet Again. I have a poor quality copy of the Turtles' "We'll Meet Again" as well; it was part of a Flo and Eddie appearance on a Lloyd Thaxton special 10 years or so later. It was a shown as a warmup, if you will, prior to Howard and Mark going into their then current single "Keep It Warm." After the Turtles' clip, one of them says something to Lloyd along the lines of "that was blackmail." Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:28:17 -0500 From: Lou Subject: Lloyd Thaxton Patricia: > Attn all Lloyd Thaxton fans: Concerning those who have inquired > about a DVD -- or (hint hint) DVDs, wouldn't a BOX SET be groovy? > Below is a direct quote from the man himself rec'd just today: > > "I have all the material and am seriously considering it. If I > could get more mail like yours, it would HAPPEN!" > > C'monnnnnnnnn everybody, LET THE BOMBARDMENT BEGIN!!! :) Lloyd, We are just a microcosmic group of die hard knuckleheads who are dying to see your stuff on DVD but keep in mind that there are thousands upon thousands who have purchased copies of "Hulabaloo", "Ed Sullivan Show" DVDs as well as questionably legitimate [but groovy] VHS tapes of "The Big T.N.T. Show" , "The T.A.M.I. Show", etc from places on line like The Video Beat just so we can get a generous dose of true historic Rock n' Roll greatness. For all of this to happen during the Golden Age of Television is the icing on the cake, and Lloyd, you are definitely a big chuck of that golden age. Regardless of what the big 3 networks in the U.S. think, the TV's golden age did not shine solely from their asses. From seeing all of the comments sent by us Spectropoppers, it seems that your show was syndicated so your memorable broadcasts were felt far and wide so interest in obtain copies of your shows would definitely be coast to coast ( not to mention all of our Spectopop-minded brothers & sisters around the world). Right now the general public have a notion that TV. dance parties began and ended with American Bandstand. Dick Clark may be part of this TV community but he didn't create the genre, it was guys like you who made digging music on TV feel more regional. Even though your show was syndicated, it still felt local (as opposed to knowing that AB was first out of Philly & then L.A.) and that made us young TV watchers feel more like we were connected to TV shows, the hosts and the music. In short, don't let the boneheads currently in charge of TV and film tell the story of Rock 'n' Roll & TV. They will inevitable over glamorize and get it all wrong. We need guys like you to present the real deal. Lou -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:28:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies Paul Bryant wrote: > And again, how many females have you known who collect music > at all? It seems to be a boy thing, but I don't understand > why as this seems to apply to all types of music. As a collector of other people's hordes of 45s for about 35 years now, it is my belief that around 75% of garage sale collections of 50 to several hundred "records with the big holes" were originally acquired by the fairer sex, especially those collections that started around '56 with Elvis. Some still won't part with their 45s, though they haven't played them in years (and often now have no means of playing them!) I guess boys tend to stay glued to their boyhood passions, while girls move on to other duties, interests, and responsibilities. Tom "Brown Shoes Surrounded by New Tuxedos" Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:10:31 -0000 From: John Sellards Subject: "You Gave Me Somebody To Love" - Dreamlovers Here's another fill-in-the-blank thread... What is the one vintage song you've recently discovered that completely knocked you out? I mean one you've had to listen to over and over (to the chagrin of your partner, perhaps) as you couldn't get enough of it. Mine is "You Gave Me Somebody To Love" by the Dreamlovers, which is an incredible record that seemed to be derivative of something, but then I couldn't figure out what - it a nice mixture of the Phil Spector and (perhaps?) something akin to Freddie Scott's "Hey Girl". This is probably a fairly well-known song, but I only discovered it recently. John Sellards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:20:38 -0000 From: Craig Davison Subject: Re: Vinyl Junkies Art Longmire wrote: > I've skimmed over parts of the book, Mark -- it's intriguing, > although I don't agree with everything he says. One statement > made in the text really caught my eye -- someone was quoted as > saying that there are no female record collectors! There's got > to be some somewhere, although I personally don't know any ... Well, gee whiz! They quoted Miriam Linna right on the Amazon page for the book. She's very female! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:23:20 +0100 From: Paul Underwood Subject: Re: Alvin Robinson Richard Williams wrote (about "Fever" being arranged by Mike Stoller): > I still want to know who played on it, though, and I haven't > discounted a possible New Orleans connection, via Joe Jones. > It doesn't sound like a Stoller chart to me. Hi Richard, I agree that it doesn't sound like Stoller, but that didn't stop him and Jerry Leiber recycling the arrangement when they cut the song with T Bone Walker in the early seventies. And they did the same thing with the Coasters and "Down Home Girl". But it would be interesting to know more about who did what on all these Alvin Robinson recordings. Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:54:15 -0000 From: Andres Subject: Re: Answer Songs > But Chuck Berry had already answered his own song with "Little > Marie". When and where was it released? I heard it on one of > CB's "Rock And Roll Rarities" compilations. > > It's on the St Louis to Liverpool album (1964) and on several > compilations, including the 1988 Chess box. I have this LP, no Little Marie there... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:21:49 -0000 From: John Sellards Subject: Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies > Tiny? I thought so! And again, how many females have you known > who collect music at all? It seems to be a boy thing, but I > don't understand why as this seems to apply to all types of > music. My wife actually grew up with stacks and stacks of 45s, as her father was a musician and somebody had given them an oddball collection. Things like "I Confess" by the New Colony Six, a Tim Hardin record on Verve, and such. She doesn't mind me listening to anything at all, because she heard a lot growing up - which makes me very lucky, I think. So she doesn't actually collect, but doesn't mind at all that I do...unlike a buddy of mine, who has his entire record collection in his basement at his wife's request. John Sellards -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:36:29 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Thank YOU ! Michel Gignac writes: > The list would be so long. Like I once told to Alan Gordon and > other celebrities on this list, thank you all for giving us so > much pleasure! Hey Michel, the pleasure is mine. You folks know more about me than I do, but it's great having the memory jolted, plus the info on songs acts etc. all of you have is truly amazing to me. Thank YOU! Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:42:23 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Chuck THIS ! Workin' in a fillin' station too many tasks wipe the windows check the tires check the oil a dollar gas AND Same thing everyday gettin' up goin' to school ain't no need complainin' my objections overruled from "TOO MUCH MONKEY BUSINESS" That's my Chuck Berry song...and couldn't the Coasters have torn that up as well. Of course, many readers will not remember when there was such a thing as filling station attendants--AND--they wore uniforms. So the first verse may not compute today, but he could get a lot done in a few words. Di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:45:51 -0000 From: Ruby Subject: Re: non-male Vinyl Junkies Arrt Longmire wrote: > someone was quoted as saying that there are no female record > collectors! There's got to be some somewhere, although I > personally don't know any ... I'm a female record collector, not rabid by any means, but a collector still, and have been since childhood. However, I don't know of any other female record collector's right off the top of my head, nor are any of my female friends as interested in the minutiae of music that I am. Yet, I notice females on this message board, so there are apparently some female record collectors/spectropoppers/minutiae-lovers out there somewhere. So, the question is - why aren't there more of us? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:53:27 -0000 From: Ruby Subject: Re: Jeff Lynne Apparently I am not the only one who has to defend my ELO collection. I have never really understood why ELO is consistently shunned. I truly believe that you would have a hard time finding anything as listenable or beautiful as "Living Thing" or "Can't Get it Out of My Head." I'm not above saying that they were sometimes over the top, but LORD HAVE MERCY - that's part of the appeal. At least to me. It would be interesting, I think to hear some cover versions of ELO songs just to see how they hold up to that test. Also - the only band that I can think of whose sound owes any kind of debt at all to ELO is Freiheit - can anyone think of anyone else? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:36:13 -0000 From: Peter Richmond Subject: Don Ralke Country Paul wrote; > A late welcome to you, Mr. Ralke Jr. [Admin Note: Spectropopper Platch is in fact Don Ralke's daughter] > May I propose a Don Ralke thread? Platch, what other goodies that > we have discussed or would or should discuss here was he involved > with? Connie Stevens, if I remember correctly.... Don Ralke arranged and conducted the main side of Bobby Hatfield's first solo single "Hang Ups" (Mann/Weil), it is most likely that he also arranged and conducted the other four tracks recorded by Bobby Hatfield at the session on 15 March 1968 in Los Angeles. The four remaining tacks from the session were unissued but three of the titles will be very familiar, "I Can't Make It Alone" (Goffin/King), "So Much Love" (Goffin/King) and "See That Girl" (Mann/Weil) - a song traditionally associated with other Righteous Brother Bill Medley. The other track was "She" which I guess maybe the McKuen/Garson song. Peter Richmond. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:18:08 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Sister Rosetta Tharpe Wendy Flynn wrote: > Can anyone recommend their favourite Sister Rosetta > Tharpe LP - I'm not sure where to start with this formidable > lady. Thanks! Rather than an LP there is a 4 CD boxed set selling on Amazon for about £14 of Sister Rosetta Tharpe. It's on the Proper label. It includes wonderful tracks like "That's All" with Lucky Millender and "This Train." Her guitar playing is superb but I also love her sassy vocals, even in the Gospel material. Rosetta Tharpe was the first big solo star of Gospel. She signed to Decca in the autumn of 1938 and cut Dorsey’s "Rock Me" for her first release. With guitar licks reminiscent of Lonnie Johnson and an urgent and appealing voice, Rosetta became the first million selling Gospel artist. Not to be outdone, she also took a walk on the wild side, cutting "I Want A Small Skinny Papa" in 1942, proving that Rosetta was just as at home with the Blues. While her stage show met with criticism from some quarters, there was no doubting her popularity; she was a pioneer. Mahalia Jackson and the Clara Ward Singers would later carry the torch lit by Rosetta, who by 1943 was calling herself Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:41:03 -0000 From: Dave Heasman Subject: Re: Most Inept Hit Paul Bryant wrote: > Okay - what's your choice of the most badly performed song ever to > become a hit? No contest surely, it's got to be Louie Louie by the > Kingsmen - the drummer loses the beat at one point. RP: > "Angel Baby" by Rosie &The Originals Rashkovsky: > 96 Tears???? I'm sure there's been worse but that just came to mind. My jukebox only takes 80 records, and listed above are three of 'em. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:36:19 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Ragin' Cajuns Steve Harvey wrote: > Yes, Johnnie Allan by all means. Ever note how he > left out the verse about "put me in a silk suit and > stuck luggage in my hand"? That's because Cajuns are more prone to wearing alligator than silk, but to say so would've screwed up the meter. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:44:42 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Lorna Dune / record busy-ness / female collectors Artie Wayne wrote: > I've been enjoying so many of the Spectropop posts that I > almost forgot to add to the answer song list, "[I'll Meet > you at] Midnight Joey" by Lorna Dune, which I co-wrote with > Ben Raleigh which is the answer to, "[Meet me at] Midnight > Mary" [Raleigh/Wayne] by Joey Powers. I'm not familiar with this record, Artie, but I'm curious to know the identity behind "Lorna Dune." Matthew Kaplan wrote: > While we are all here praising Mr. Al Kooper, one of the things > that I am amazed at is complete knowledge of his past endeavors... > most musicians tend to forget their past either on purpose or as > a result of years of hard living. Not to mention in many cases playing two or three sessions a day, cutting three or four (or more) tracks per session, five or six days a week for 20 or 30 or more years. I can certainly understand how so many of the "original artists" have such a hard time keeping all the facts of their careers straight, and am always surprised when one does retain an intimate recollection of it all. Mick Patrick wrote: > How I love triangle records. I can never get them to play on my turntable. Paul Bryant wrote: > My tentative theory is that "collecting music" falls into the larger > category of "collecting", and females are not big collectors of > anything. You may apply crude Darwinisn to this theory or not, as > you see fit. That's a tempting solution to the question, but I personally don't buy it. Women collect plenty of things -- alimony, child support, their husband's paychecks [THAT'S A JOKE!] -- just (and here I have no choice but to lapse into an even more sweeping generalization) different things than men do. When I visited the Precious Moments (sort of like the Keane big-eyed kids in Hummel figurine form) and resort park in southwestern Missouri last summer, the various guest shops there were all incredibly crowded with collectors, nearly all of them women, oohing and ahhing the tchockes, x-referencing them against their checklists, and maxing out their (husband's) [I'M KIDDING!] credit cards buying the ones they still needed. I cite this anecdote because I'm sure the same scenario plays out in an endless number of different collecting fields all the time. I've always been fascinated by the collector mentality, and enjoy observing its habits and traits no matter what the field of interest, but one thing I've learned from doing so is that they vary little from one interest to the next. Women tend to collect women's things and men tend to collect men's things (and, of course, there's a lot of overlap), but other than that there's little difference between the various fields. In other words, one guy's rare coins is one woman's rare political buttons is one guy's rare vinyl, etc. Stewart Mason wrote: > ... For one thing, I know that Brett knows at least one female record > collector, because he knows my wife! I'm sure just about all of us know one or two female collectors, but in my experience they are the exceptions that prove the rule. Weighing in on Brett Milano's book, I found it just a bunch of fish stories, with little wit and no insight into the condition it purports to describe. Fortunately, it's also extremely thin. Alan Zweig's movie "Vinyl" does an immeasurably better job of getting under the skin of record collectors and at what makes them/us tick. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:05:47 -0000 From: Rob Stride Subject: Re: ELO John Berg: > I will be so bold as to say that I like ELO! So there! > OK, I mostly like their early stuff as they were evolving > from The Move, who I adore. Mark Frumento: > Hey, come right out and say it!!! For my part I like every ELO > record except Secret Messages. Call me a sucker for sappy melodies, > I don't care. I love Jeff Lynne's songs from the Idle Race to Zoom. > If that ousts me from the serious music society then so be it. :>)) Look, it is as simple as this: ELO performed and recorded BRILLIANT songs in a time that I like to call MELODICALLY VOID. I know that they started in the 70s (and they were fantastic then), but they continued through the PAP littered 80s! I too LOVE them to bits Regards Rob Stride -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:49:18 -0700 (MST) From: That Alan Gordon Subject: Mark Wirtz Hello, Mad Mark Wirtz, I want all the folks at S'pop to know that you have created a brilliant book, "Egg Shaped Love" and a companion CD, "Mood Mosaic" and to top it all off you even did the beautiful art work. Mark is too modest to say this but he has taken his craft and gentle brilliance to a new dimension. Congratulations Mark and good luck with this wonderful project Best That Alan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Tilley Subject: Knockout Vintage New Discoveries John Sellards wrote: > Here's another fill-in-the-blank thread... What is the one > vintage song you've recently discovered that completely knocked > you out? I mean one you've had to listen to over and over (to the > chagrin of your partner, perhaps) as you couldn't get enough of > it. Mine is "You Gave Me Somebody To Love" by the Dreamlovers, > which is an incredible record that seemed to be derivative of > something, but then I couldn't figure out what - it's a nice > mixture of the Phil Spector and (perhaps?) something akin to > Freddie Scott's "Hey Girl". This is probably a fairly well-known > song, but I only discovered it recently. Mine would have to be "The Thrill Is Gone" Clydie King. The slow, dragging tempo along with its haunting vocals and popping bongos really does it for me. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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