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Spectropop - Digest Number 1238

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Swans / Alder Ray
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
      2. Re: Mods and The Action
           From: Sean 
      3. Re: Welcome the legendary Artie Butler!
           From: Laura Pinto 
      4. Variations On A Theme Called Hanky Panky
           From: Laura Pinto 
      5. Most Inept Act
           From: Bob Wallis 
      6. Re: Ed & Sam Chalpin, His Father The Pop Singer
           From: Mike Rashkow 
      7. Re: Jaynetts & other sing-a-long flipsides...and Tuff stuff
           From: Jules Normington 
      8. Herman's Hermits In 70s
           From: csasml2007 
      9. Re: You're Gonna Lose That Girl/Help album
           From: Steveo 
     10. What Ever Happened to Lloyd Thaxton
           From: Lloyd Thaxton 
     11. Re: Louie Louie
           From: John Fox 
     12. Re: 4 Seasons drummer-Bill Lavorgna
           From: C Ponti 
     13. Re: Grapefruit
           From: Mark Wirtz 
     14. Past, Present And Future
           From: Jules Normington 
     15. First Gear - "The In Crowd"
           From: Tim Viney 
     16. Re: Welcome the legendary Artie Butler!
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
     17. Re: Mistakes in Hit Records
           From: John Fox 
     18. Re: How about brilliant tracks with ONE inept ingredient!
           From: Art Longmire 
     19. Re: Mods & the Action & cover versions
           From: Scott Swanson 
     20. Influence vs. Imitation
           From: David 
     21. Welcome Lloyd Thaxton
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     22. Re: Variations On A Theme Called Hanky Panky
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     23. Re: Scooby-Doo
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     24. Re: How about brilliant tracks with ONE inept ingredient!
           From: Steve Grant 
     25. inept ingredient
           From: Andy 

Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:12:43 EST From: Jimmy Crescitelli Subject: Re: Swans / Alder Ray Hey Mick! Thanks for pointing me to Alder Ray's pic... there she is! BIG hair... big voice! So those Touch the Wall of Sound CDs are bootlegs? Oy... who knew? I sure didn't; I inherited them! And I was in error re the Swans; the CD mentions the Swans' "He's Mine"; I always call that song "I Love Him" erroneously. Should probably employ brackets: "He's Mine (I Love Him, I Love Him, I Love Him)" ; ) The CD also has a fold-out mini-poster liner picturing scans of the labels; Alder Ray's song is mentioned as "A Little Love (Will Go Away)" on the CD case, but the liner scan shows it correctly: "A Little Love (Will Go A Long Way)". And now Mick... can you supply me the Dixie Cups' grandmothers' middle names? ; ) Thanks for your help! Jimmy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:21:56 -0000 From: Sean Subject: Re: Mods and The Action JB: > Since my visit, another two BBC cuts from the earlier > live set have been discovered, so now there are 10 BBC > tracks -- apparently soon set for release by a label my > friend was not able to tell me more about at this stage. > All a treasure trove for any fan of The Action. If we > are lucky this stuff will all see release in 2004. Great news! Please keep us informed. Thanks, Sean -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:28:38 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Re: Welcome the legendary Artie Butler! Mick Patrick wrote: > Welcome to Spectropop the one and only Artie Butler, Brill > Building hero de-luxe! Hello Mr. Butler, Welcome to the Spectropop group. I first became familiar with you when you did arranging for Neil Sedaka during the late 70's/early 80's. In fact, I believe you were the conductor at one of his concerts I attended in Atlantic City circa 1981. Your name is associated with many of my favorite recordings. I'll be sure to check out your web site. Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:41:51 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Variations On A Theme Called Hanky Panky Hello, fellow Spectropoppers, In today's Mr. Music column by Jerry Osborne, the single "Variations on a Theme Called Hanky Panky" by the Definitive Rock Choral is discussed. Mr. Osborne states that he came across a "newsgroup posting" (meaning the Spectropop archives) and quotes Mike Rashkow's recollections, which I found were posted on 10/30/01. Today's column is not yet archived on Jerry Osborne's site (, but it probably will be within the next couple of weeks. It was interesting for me to learn that Ron Dante was involved with this recording. Now I need to hit eBay to look for a copy! Mike Rashkow's quote in full: > ...we cut the tracks in Bell Studio B--can't remember who actually > wrote the charts, possibly Wisner, possibly Joe Renzetti, possible > Ron Frangipane--it's probably on the label. Had a top notch group > of session guys--I know that Jerome Richardson a great jazz man > was one sax, Herb Lovell was the drummer. I think Joe Macho was > the bass. It was a bad weather day, the charts were there, but I > don't think the arranger made it. I had made arrangements for > Cornell Dupree (later with Aretha) to fly in from Texas where he > was living at the time because his father was sick. He'd made it > very late and a guy named Alan Ferguson (???) was the only guitar. > Eddie Smith, Phil Macy or Harry Yarmark was on the board. > > The strings and vocals were done in Bell Studio A about a week > later. There were a lot of voices used-- John Cymbal, Ron Dante, > Toni Wine, Ellie Greenwich, Tommy West (Picardo), Terry Cashman, > Dennis Minogue, and a Puerto Rican girl (she only stayed in NY for > a few months - I have no idea what her name was). Eddie Smith did > the overdubs I think. > > I remembered that Jimmy Radcliffe did the "James Brown" style vocal > where the line "I can't stand it, I can't stand this song" was > sung--My line parodizing James Brown--Ellie never complained. > Radcliffe passed away several years ago. He was a good writer and > did a lot of demo work and jingle work. Laura ------------------------------------------------------------------- Admin Note: As a special treat for Laura, "Variations On A Theme Called Hanky Panky" by the Definitive Rock Chorale (Philips 40529, 1968) has been posted to musica. Just click here to hear it: Enjoy! The S'pop Team -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:57:02 -0000 From: Bob Wallis Subject: Most Inept Act If you were to recall the collective works of Jan and Dean, I think you'd have to agree they are the most consistantly off-key singers of all time!! Listen to "Honolulu Lulu" as an example - ouch!! The only vocals that consistantly salvaged their songs were those of their backup group, the Fantastic Baggys (Sloan and Barri). Even their premiere "Baby Talk" was dismal. BW -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:29:15 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Ed & Sam Chalpin, His Father The Pop Singer Ed & Sam Chalpin - An Addendum: Not important at all, but one must do what one can to keep the history complete and accurate. Going through some old 45's I came across an ATCO 45 EP (A4514) that contains 4 tracks off the Sam Chalpin LP. It is white label so don't think it was marketed--likely just a DJ promo though it doesn't state that. Addtionally, I think the Chalpin album title was a take-off on the Mrs. Miller, but also on a very good and very funny LP titled, "My Son The Folk Singer" by Allan Sherman on Warner Brothers C1962. A few years later Sherman had a monster hit with Hello Mother-Hello Father but the LP referenced above is really tremendous--especially to those of us who are members of the wandering tribes. Sherman, a comedy writer by trade, wrote great parodies of well known folk songs and they are killer crisp and precise plays on the originals. Example: From "Streets Of Miami" (Streets of Laredo), in which he tells the tale of a disagreement between two partners in the garment business, this line.... (spelled phonetically as he sung it ) --- um gung to da Funtenblue, podner it's modner and I'll charge to the firm sixty dollars a day. As they say, "maybe you had to be there", but I'll bet there are 50 people reading this that either own or have heard this LP; and venture that half will now go and find it to listen to it again-- which is what I'm going to do right now. Di la, Rashkovksy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:14:54 +1100 From: Jules Normington Subject: Re: Jaynetts & other sing-a-long flipsides...and Tuff stuff Artie Butler asked about Tuff sing-a-long flipsides: > I would be very interested in knowing what other 7" Tuff records > you speak of. Sorry about this as I have to admit missing the original question, but if it's any help, it was only 7 of the first 9 Tuff 45s (300 series/post-Chess Tuff, that is) that had the "Instrumental Backing Track" B sides (for some reason the 4th Jaynetts 45 [TUFF-377] "No Love At All" had a another pretty good song on the B, "Tonight You Belong To Me"): TUFF 369 THE JAYNETTS - "SALLY..." TUFF 370 THE HEARTS - "DEAR ABBY" TUFF 371 THE JAYNETTS - "KEEP AN EYE ON HER" TUFF 372 THE POPPIES (comprised Jaynetts members) - "JOHNNY DON'T CRY" TUFF 373 THE CLICKETTES (members of the Hearts and Jaynetts) - "I JUST CAN'T HELP IT" TUFF 374 THE JAYNETTS - "Snowman, Snowman Sweet Potato Nose" TUFF 375 THE CORSAIRS - "Save A Little Monkey" TUFF 378 THE PATTY CAKES (actually the Jaynetts) - 'I UNDERSTAND THEM (A LOVE SONG TO THE BEATLES)" ...the experiment lasted a mere year (way longer than it ought to have) and they dropped the format (by early '64) for the next 30 or so 45s the label managed...mind you the later output contained some very fine northern soul killers between '65 and '67....Bobby Treetop (where'd he get a name like that???), Kendra Spotswood, E. Rodney Jones, the great Vicki Anderson wandered in for one 45, Little Joe Romans, Jimmie Raye...jeez, their hit rate for absolute (though- admittedly-obscure-but-what-the-hell) classics post-Jaynetts would outdo almost ANY other label...maybe even Motown included....' course I don't want to step on too many toes with that call...but HEY! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:24:17 -0000 From: csasml2007 Subject: Herman's Hermits In 70s One of my great curiosity it's about who was lead vocals in some singles that the Herman's Hermits did in the 70s. I've got two singles from 70's: Ginny Go Soflty - Blond Haired, Blue Eyed Boy I'm In A Lonely Situation - Blond Haired, Blue Eyed Boy I'm almost sure that Karl Green was the lead vocals in "Ginny Go Softly" -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:44:06 -0800 (PST) From: Steveo Subject: Re: You're Gonna Lose That Girl/Help album Paul Bryant wrote: > Okay - interesting -- you give two examples of off-key > backing singing, My Sweet Lord and You're Gonna Lose > That Girl. I'll put up my hand and say I honestly never > heard these as off-key at all! So here's the perfect forum > to ask the question - what does everyone else think? Peter Kearns wrote: > Honestly, I still can't listen to 'You're Gonna Lose That Girl' > without a shudder. The very first one right at the start is > the main offender. Actually 'Help' in general has always seemed > to me to be somewhat of a backward step after the slickness > compared of 'Beatles For Sale'. Probably the only example of > this in the Beatles ouvre. Anyone agree?? Peter, Honestly,(as Carl Wilson used to say all the time) "Your'e Gonna Lose that Girl" is terribly out of tune vocally when the track first comes in, but they pull up to it. It's annoying as "he*l" but much worse on the stereo version. Beautiful production tho and John's voice is great!!! Steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:43:11 -0000 From: Lloyd Thaxton Subject: What Ever Happened to Lloyd Thaxton Hey, this is great. Thank you Stu Phillips for cluing me in. Since letting you know I have joined the Spectropop group I've received some great e-mails. Love it. Questions I get most: (1) Are there any tapes of the show and is there a DVD in the works? (2) What ever happened to Lloyd Thaxton? (3) Can you tell us any stories about the artists you had on your show? (4) Whatare you doing now? If you are really interested I'll post an answer. Don't want to bore anyone. Not my style. Between 1961 and 1968 The Lloyd Thaxton Show was on for one hour five days a week, 52 weeks a year. I had a guest on each day. It's hard to name a 60s act I didn't either introduce or have on the show. It was a great era to be associated with. Most recent saddest moment: the passing of Bobby Hatfield of The Righteous Brothers. I introduced them to TV 40 years ago and had the honor to introduce them again recently at their Hollywood Bowl concert to 18 thousand fans. Wow, what a night. What a great reunion. I was so glad I got to see Bobby again. I will miss him. However, I know Bill will carry on the tradition. Most recent HAPPY moment: Hearing from you. Check my most recent work on -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:17:38 EST From: John Fox Subject: Re: Louie Louie previously: It's a little misleading to say the drummer "lost the beat". I agree with Mike. The issue with the drumming is that for all of the vocal verses and choruses, it's probably the greatest, most powerful drumming ever on any rock song--great beat, fantastic fills. However, during the guitar solo, for some reason, the drummer chooses to take a solo as well, rolling around on the tom-toms and hitting cymbal crashes on odd beats, and the song comes close to falling apart (plus distracting from a classic guitar solo). How he ever gets back on beat is beyond me, and maybe that's why the singer comes in too early! John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:20:41 -0000 From: C Ponti Subject: Re: 4 Seasons drummer-Bill Lavorgna Paul Bryant wrote: > Speaking of the 4 Seasons, can anyone tell me who the > fantastic drummer was on such songs as "Dawn (Go Away)" > and "Walk Like a Man"? I'd like to celebrate this (to me) > unknown hero. I was told it was Bill Lavorgna. He is a was a hero among NY players and everyone tried to replicate things he did. The Lovin' Spoonful specifically was much influenced by him and in the studio it was often asked, "what would Bill Lavorgna do here"?? His fills on the fade of "Dawn" are insanely wonderful! C P -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:27:22 -0500 From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: Grapefruit Mark Frumento: > Scott is right. The US album lists a track called "Give it > One More Try". The problem is that the track refered to is > an instrumental. Though I don't know for a fact (until I > hear the US version) I believe it is the same track as > "Theme for Twiggy" from the UK album. It kind of makes > sense that they would rename the song for the US market. > > I'll forward the song to you. It would be interesting to > find out if it's a backing track that you produced (since > Melcher takes all the production credits). However, it > doesn't sound like your work at all. re: the pretense "One More Try" (now that I have heard it): THAT track is an insult to Grapefruit's talents, and even at my "cheesiest", I didn't revel quite THAT deeply in muzak mediocrity. Amused, Mark :) P.S. THIS was produced by THE Terry Melcher?? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:34:03 +1100 From: Jules Normington Subject: Past, Present And Future Artie Butler: > I really loved working with Shadow Morton. > He made records that were like mini movies. They had a > sense of drama. He was great to be in the studio with. > I would love to work with him again. problems...Mick will get that sorted right away.... PLEEEEEASE!!! May I suggest getting Gemma Hayes, Beth Orton, and Heather Nova into the studio with these two mavericks immediately! Or to be hopelessly obscure find Lonny Evans of UK Blondie soundalikes Spacemaid, and the girls from the Tuesdays ...they were two of the best modern girl-group sounding artists I've ever heard. (But that's the subject of another post down the track.) MICK!!! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:39:31 +0000 From: Tim Viney Subject: First Gear - "The In Crowd" Howard; > I'd be interested to know which other Motown record they > recorded for sure! Another interest of mine is 'British > cover versions'. I have a decent collection of them, but > still on the search for many more! Has anyone heard or > have details of First Gears version of Dobie Gray's > 'The In Crowd? "The In Crowd" by First Gear is available on the Castle label 2CD "Jimmy Page and his heavy friends" (NEECD 486). The record was produced by Shel Talmy and Jimmy Page contributed guitar during his time as a session musician. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:11:00 EST From: Jimmy Crescitelli Subject: Re: Welcome the legendary Artie Butler! Yes sir, welcome aboard! Thanks for your posting... and don't be surprised if any of us ask you if you happen to know the Shangri-Las' middle names ; ) Jimmy Crescitelli -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 15:48:04 EST From: John Fox Subject: Re: Mistakes in Hit Records Here are three real mistakes in a top 10, a top 5 and even a #1 hit: Whole Lotta Loving/Fats Domino--the piano solo clearly hits some clinker notes near the end. Please Please Me/Beatles--On one well-played version, John and Paul sing different words in harmony on the last verse (one sings "I know" and one sings "Why do"). They fixed this on another version. Sugar Shack/Jimmy Gilmer & The Fireballs--The keyboard fill completely misses a note in the third verse. I'm sure all you minutiae-loving Spectropoppers have many more! John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:09:38 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: How about brilliant tracks with ONE inept ingredient! Billy G. Spradlin wrote: > Since Im on a 4 Seasons Kick: > On their 1966 LP cut called "Comin' Up in the World". Frankie > gets a frog in his throat and his voice goes horse on the line > "It's YOUUURE Love.." With Bob Crewe's and the Seasons high > production standards I wonder why it was never fixed (punched-in). > Or how about the cough in the middle of The Beach Boys "Wendy"? There's also a cough in James Brown's "Mother Popcorn". But James can even cough in a funky way! Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:12:40 -0800 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: Mods & the Action & cover versions Howard: > Has anyone heard or have details of First Gears > version of Dobie Gray's 'The In Crowd? The First Gear's version was released in January 1965 -- hot on the heels of Dobie Gray's version. It was produced by Shel Talmy and has a similar feel to some of the 'mod' tracks he produced for The Who around this time. It's more fast-paced than Dobie Gray's version (diminishing the "soulness" somewhat, I suppose), with male backing vocals (instead of female), no horns, and lots of guitar (including some nice-yet-unnecessary fills toward the end courtesy of Jimmy Page). Hope this helps, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:17:45 -0000 From: David Subject: Influence vs. Imitation With all of the debate flying around recently regarding influence and imitation, I thought I'd throw online one of my favorite, Beach-Boys-stylized-but-still-quite-good instrumentals. Musica's full, so I put it up at: Tell me which category you think this falls into. -David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:32:11 -0000 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Welcome Lloyd Thaxton Welcome to Spectropop Mr. Thaxton! As others have said, let rip with some anecdotes! Of course, Lloyd was also a recording artist in his own right releasing three singles. My vinyl to mp3 set up is out of action at the moment so can anyone else upload one of them to Musica for our enjoyment? Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:43:47 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Variations On A Theme Called Hanky Panky Thanks to Laura for her informative post re Jerry Osborne. I'll be running to find the site in a minute but I also want to thank the S'pop team for playing the record up to musica. The arranger was actually Sammy Lowe. At the time that I wrote the original post I was a full time RV'er traveling and all my records were in storage so I had no reference. That's still no excuse for not remembering the man--he did a great job. He "got it" right away and he had the capability to do the whole thing. Di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:52:27 -0000 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Re: Scooby-Doo Bob wrote: >Who recorded the Scooby-Doo theme song, notable particularly >for the tune--Austin Roberts did you work at all on this? >Was it just Hanna-Barbera studio singers--and who penned it? The Scooby Doo theme was written by David Mook, who worked mainly in the TV and advertising field but whose name I've seen on one or two pop records, and Ben Raleigh whose name will be well known to those Spectropoppers with an eye for the small print. I'd sure be interested in finding out who sang on it - I've always thought it sounds exactly like the 1910 Fruitgum Company. David Mook was also involved in the Banana Splits records alongside such recently mentioned names as Irwin Levine and Jimmy Radcliffe. Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:14:27 -0500 From: Steve Grant Subject: Re: How about brilliant tracks with ONE inept ingredient! 1) The Rolling Stones, I'm Free. Charlie Watts completely loses it, briefly. 2) Fairport Convention, Matty Groves. Sandy Denny totally loses the beat, also briefly. Not sure these really qualify as "inept ingredients." More like "major glitches that didn't get edited out". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:24:33 -0000 From: Andy Subject: inept ingredient The one song that really irks me, the very begining of the 4 seasons "Let's Hang On" ..... it sounds like they never got the tape machine up to speed when cutting the master for pressing. is there a version available on CD that has this opening corrected. andy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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