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Spectropop - Digest Number 1192

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Voice of Bob
           From: Paul Bryant 
      2. Re: Nouns Into Verbs
           From: John Fox 
      3. Re: Orpheus / Bosstown Sound
           From: Mark Frumento 
      4. Re: Del Shannon
           From: Scott Swanson 
      5. Re: Burt Bacharach / Trini Lopez
           From: Steveo 
      6. Ed Cobb
           From: Bob Hanes 
      7. Re: Dirty Water
           From: Steve Harvey 
      8. Ed Cobb
           From: Phil Milstein 
      9. Re: Orpheus / R&B
           From: Tom 
     10. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Bill George 
     11. The Chapman LP
           From: Eddy 
     12. Left Banke
           From: Austin Roberts 
     13. Made In Paris
           From: Eddy 
     14. Jim Croce
           From: Artie Wayne 
     15. Judith or Judy Powell
           From: Ken Mortimer 
     16. Re: The Orlons As Backup Singers
           From: Jeffrey Mlinscek 
     17. Re: Ruby and the Romantics
           From: Mac Joseph 
     18. Re: Good Lines
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     19. Re: Burt Bacharach's First Production
           From: Richard Havers 
     20. Re: Beatles covers - "I'll Be Back"
           From: ACJ 
     21. CO & CE Records
           From: Greg Matecko 
     22. Re: Beatles Covers
           From: Scott Charbonneau 
     23. Apple's iTunes Top 10
           From: Mike Edwards 
     24. Re: Orpheus / Bosstown Sound
           From: James Botticelli 
     25. Re: Beatles covers
           From: Artie Wayne 

Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:57:37 -0000 From: Paul Bryant Subject: Voice of Bob S.J. Dibai wrote: > I know what you mean about Dylan. Just listen to his version of "Mr. > Tambourine Man"--fascinating lyrics delivered in a dull style with > the singer mumbling his way through and mangling the melody. But The > Byrds seized upon the best apsects of the song and transformed it > into something special. This is why I like Dylan's songs more than > his recordings. His vocal style doesn't appeal to me often, and the > arrangements, well Can't let this go by! Dylan has many vocal styles, not one. I'll not list them all, but there's clearly a big difference between the angry young folkie of "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" and the zonked Yogi Bear impersonator of "Visions of Johanna", and the country crooning of "I Threw it all Away" and the impassioned grieving of "You're a Big Girl Now". So if you don't like his drug period, try Blood on the Tracks. He really sings on that one. Having said that, his original "Mr Tambourine Man" is to me one of his strongest vocal performances - I hear a yearning for something better than this poor quotidian existence, and a brief ecstatic vision of the something better (to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free). I also love the Byrds' version, but I could argue that they turn the song into a hit by pouring on those soulless bland (if beautiful) harmonies, and rob the song of its real life. I could argue that, but like I say, I love both versions, and that Rickenbacker break propels the whole thing into a different dimension, one Bob couldn't find. Who are the real geniuses of 60s music? Lennon, McCartney, Brian Wilson and Bob. ever contentiously, pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:47:01 EST From: John Fox Subject: Re: Nouns Into Verbs > I love nouns made into verbs. Once I again I go to Laura Nyro: > "Can you surrey, can you picnic?" One of my favs. On the same subject, a word ("to party") which some believe only came into use as a verb in the 1980s, actually made an appearance in 1962 in Claudine Clark's "Party Lights": Oh mama dear, Oh tell me do you hear They're partying tonight Any earlier examples of this noun-as-verb? John Fox -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:00:17 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Orpheus / Bosstown Sound Steven Prazak wrote: > A big thanks to all S'poppers for alerting me to the wonderful > Orpheus. I had purposely avoided anything even remotely connected > to MGM's notorious "Bosstown Sound" for decades, although time > has since done a fair share of that music a good service. Another interesting little LP from Bosstown is Chamaeleon Church. The band's main distinction was that Chevy Chase ranked among it's members (don't laugh, he's actually quite good and even contributes a credible pop vocal on one song). I would never compare CC to Orpheus but the LP has a nice baroque pop sound with fairly accomplished songs. Vareses' The Best of the Boston Sound is worth getting if you're heart isn't up for a whole LP of the stuff. One of the better songs from the CC LP is on that CD. Also the great "Bright Lit Blue Skies" by Rockin' Ramrods. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:12:55 -0800 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: Del Shannon C Ponti writes: > Just yesterday I was in a shop where this quirky Willburys' boot > was being played. One of the tracks, "Theme From....." (I get it > mixed up with the Jack Bruce or Mountain song), was playing. It > was an instrumental that had the Willburys playing behind this > amazing analog effected Fender guitar, which I assumed was George. > I learned while there it was a track they cut with Del. Hmmm. This sounds like it might actually be "Theme For Something Really Important" by Duane Eddy, which features at least 2 of the Wilburys (Harrison & Lynne) but not Del. I do know of 4 Wilbury-related Del Shannon recordings, though: 1. Hot Love (with Lynne, Petty & Harrison) 2. Lost In A Memory (with Lynne & Petty) 3. I Got You (The Bird's Song) (with Lynne & Petty) 4. Walk Away (with Lynne & Petty) The songs were recorded c. 1989, and the sessions were a likely catalyst in the rumors that he was about the replace Roy in the Wilburys. Hope this helps, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: Steveo Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach / Trini Lopez Phil Milstein: > Speaking of Burt & Hal, I caught a movie on TCM last night, "Made > In Paris," starring Ann-Margret at her prime (c.'66?), that > featured a Bacharach-David title theme, sung by Trini Lopez. > Despite making it a practice to try and catch every pre-accident > A-M flick, I'd never heard of this one before, and wonder if the > song is well-known, released on record, covered, etc. Phil, The song by Trini was released on Reprise but was a bomb. It is well know to Bacharach collectors. Steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:41:52 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Hanes Subject: Ed Cobb Ed Cobb, the producer of the Standells was a Four Prep, Not a Freshman. As a Prep, the first two, (sorta) live albums were done at UCLA with Lincoln Mayorga and the Capitol Records Orchestra (whoever that was). The third live lp I believe was indeed done in Boston, but I could be wrong, about the location on that last one. The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, Church of the Harmonic Overdub -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:01:27 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Dirty Water I always heard the "Dirty Water" had to do with the Boston Strangler ("I'm a wishing and a hoping - Dusty where are you? - that just once those doors weren't locked"). Reinforced by the line "with lovers, buggers and thieves" for further criminal elemental flavoring. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:28:07 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Ed Cobb Contrary to my earlier statement, Ed Cobb was actually in The 4 Preps, not The 4 Frosh. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:39:04 -0000 From: Tom Subject: Re: Orpheus / R&B Steven Prazak wrote: > I do pick up a real nice breezy R&B vibe not unlike a Friends of > Distinction or a Main Ingredient would appropriate a few years > hence. I think you're right on target with that observation. It's fine to note similarities to The Association, early Jimmy Webb or any other sunshine pop artist, but if you focus too much on it, you tend to miss the fact that this band had some real soul. Listen to Darius Rucker of Hootie & The Blowfish belting out "Can't Find The Time" or the great Lee Andrews and Congress Alley performing the Orpheus song from which they took their name and you'll see what I mean. In addition to being sophisticated pop artists, Orpheus was also an R&B group! That's probably why Bernard "Pretty" Purdie fit in to the mix so well. One other thing, I just noticed that the chords to "Can't Find The Time" are nearly identical to the 1964 Billy Stewart classic, "Sitting In The Park" - and you can't get any more soulful than that. Tom -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:41:21 EST From: Bill George Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett Mark T. wrote: > My taste is towards ultra-commercial, over-produced pop. So we'll agree to disagree. While my tastes are extremely catholic, I am a huge fan of raw, primal 50s rockabilly, post-punk 80s, alternative country, etc. So we just come from different places. Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:28:17 +0100 From: Eddy Subject: The Chapman LP Scott: > I saw some guy on the Today Show a couple of weeks ago pawning the > Chapman LP. It was kind of nausiating to see the pitch, though the > guy didn't seem bothered by the concept at all. I forget how much > they were expecting to get for the album, but it was pretty > stunning. It's supposed to go for about $ 500.000. I forget what the asking price was first time around, but it sold for $ 100.000+. Moments in Time claimed it had gone for $ 500.000 just to get more publicity. So after that the original owner got to claim the rest of his payment from MiT, thinking he was conned out of $ 400.000. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:39:56 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Left Banke In my humble opinion, the Left Banke was a very innovative force at a time when Rock and pop were flexing their muscles. Walk Away Renee, Pretty Ballerina, Desiree and a couple of their other cuts were an unusual as important combination of great melodies, different, absorbing lyrics, terrific lead singing but most of all, I think Mike Brown's combination, classical, rock pop arrangements (his father was a violinist with the New York Phiharmonic, I believe), were so unique and the perfect marriage to the songs that they developed their own niche. Not to degrade any covers, but these were the genuine articles. As I said, one man's opinion. Best wishes for a great holiday season to all, Austin Roberts -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:42:12 +0100 From: Eddy Subject: Made In Paris Phil Milstein: > Speaking of Burt & Hal, I caught a movie on TCM last night, "Made > In Paris," starring Ann-Margret at her prime (c.'66?), that > featured a Bacharach-David title theme, sung by Trini Lopez. > Despite making it a practice to try and catch every pre-accident > A-M flick, I'd never heard of this one before, and wonder if the > song is well-known, released on record, covered, etc. Phil, The song is available on the 3cd BB set The Look of Love as well as on The Reel BB, a compilation of movie themes. The only cover version I have been able to find is one by Bobby Byrne on his 1966 album Magnificent Movie Themes. Merry Christmas one and all! Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 02:25:52 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Jim Croce Austin........How ya' doin'? I'd be happy to send your best to Patti Dahlstrom. I'm sure you must have some great stories about Jim Croce......we'd all love to hear some of them!! Wishing you the best for the holidays, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:54:55 -0000 From: Ken Mortimer Subject: Judith or Judy Powell Hi Spectropoppers, I wonder whether anyone can help. I've always taken a keen interest in session singers and have gathered quite a good knowledge about the work and careers of most of them. One name from the '60s is a complete mystery to me - Judith (or Judy) Powell. She seems to have been around the '60s session scene in London but I can find nothing about her. Can anyone help. Also, I'm really interested to know whether the Martha Smith who recorded for Pye in the mid '60s and the Martha Smith who recorded a one off single for RCA in 1976 ('Open Up Your Heart') are one and the same. Finally, does anyone know what became of 60's singer (and one time member of the Piglets), Barbara Kay? Merry Christmas everyone Thanks Ken -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:43:16 -0500 From: Jeffrey Mlinscek Subject: Re: The Orlons As Backup Singers S.J. Dibai" wrote: > Hello, Spectropoppers! I've read that The Orlons did some session > singing before making their own records. Does anyone know of any > specific recordings they sang on? For example, it sounds > suspiciously like them on Bobby Rydell's "Good Time Baby." The Orlons were supposedly also singing backup on those great comic horror LP's by labelmate Zacherle. Jeff M -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:38:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mac Joseph Subject: Re: Ruby and the Romantics Justin McDevitt: > It's good to see some postings on this group regarding Ruby and > The Romantics. My favorite song by this wonderful harmony group > is When You're Young And In Love. Although I enjoy the > Marvellettes early 1967 version of this track, R and The R's > slower, softer treatment really brings out the essence of the > lyrics, without that Motown edge. Dear Justin, Just curious, is that the same "When you're young and in love" that Dick and Dee Dee sang? Mac Joseph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:52:38 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Good Lines If I have not come to late too the fair, I'd like to offer this chestnut as one of the best: ...there's no love song finer but how strange the change from major to minor every time we say goodbye. Not being a musician, I've never been certain if they actually go from a major key to a minor key at the appropriate juncture, by I surely hope they do. Di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:36:03 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Burt Bacharach's First Production Mick Patrick wrote: > Here's a poser for all you Bacharach experts. What was the first > record on which Burt was credited as producer? No prizes for the > correct answer, except my admiration. Phil Milstein: > Lou Johnson? Mick: > Not correct. Bacharach's first credited production is earlier. I know that BB worked with Vic Damone, as his piano player, around '53/54. They had met in the army and on returning to civilian life BB played piano for Damone on cabaret dates. Did it extend to production? Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:56:40 -0500 (EST) From: ACJ Subject: Re: Beatles covers - "I'll Be Back" Speaking of non-copycat Beatles covers: did anyone do their "I'll Be Back" in waltz time, the way John & Paul originally wrote it? I heard the Beatles' waltz version on "Anthology 2" and thought it was lots better than the released version. ACJ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:11:39 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Matecko Subject: CO & CE Records > The Vogues recorded in America on the label CO & CE Records, a > label formed by Herb Cohen out of Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh, to be precise! The "CE" of CO & CE is Nick Cenci, who produced many of the label's releases, including early Lou Christie. As I probably mentioned here before, the backing track of The Vogues' "You're The One" was actually supposed to be a release by The Racket Squad, another Pittsburgh band. Singer Sonny DiNunzio's vocals were replaced by the Vogues, and the rest is history. Another interesting CO & CE story - The Swamp Rats' "It's Not Easy" was also released on the label after it's original release on St. Clair. The story goes that the Swamp Rats' Producer/Manager/DJ Terry Lee handed the band over to Nick Cenci in exhange for a second audition to host a Pittsburgh music TV show in the '60s called "Come Alive." Speaking of the Swamp Rats, Get Hip recently released a Swamp Rats comp on CD, and lead singer Bob Hocko passed away from cancer in October. Greg Matecko -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:11:21 -0000 From: Scott Charbonneau Subject: Re: Beatles Covers And let us not forget ESP Recording Artists The Godz and their reconstruction, or should that be destruction, of You Won't See Me. Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:37:11 -0000 From: Mike Edwards Subject: Apple's iTunes Top 10 "Music fans have purchased and downloaded over 25 million songs from the iTunes Music Store. Purchased on December 12, 2003, the 25 millionth song was "Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow!" by Frank Sinatra." ITunes's top 10 downloads as listed on Apple's website ( OutKast Hey Ya! Kelis Milkshake No Doubt It's My Life Nat "King" Cole The Christmas Song Eartha Kitt - Santa Baby OutKast & Sleepy Brown The Way You Move Chipmunks The Chipmunk Song (Christmas Don't Be Late) Brenda Lee Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree Burles Ives A Holly Jolly Christmas Dido White Flag Great to see No Doubt's update of "It's My Life" (originally recorded by synth band, Talk Talk in 1984) doing well. I was pleasantly surprised to see some of the vintage Christmas songs doing well. It's the first time I have seen Christmas records mingled with regular ones since 1962 - the last year Billboard included Christmas songs on the Hot-100. Given the stats, they must be "moving" significant quantities. Having bought Brenda Lee on 45 on 1962, I look at all this and start to reflect on all that's happened over the last 40 years or so. The big shock is Burl Ives but then I guess the folks over at Cupertino, CA, are as big a bunch of softies as the rest of us! And on that note, let me wish all our members a very Merry Christmas (however they're going to celebrate it). Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:28:18 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Orpheus / Bosstown Sound Mark Frumento wrote: > Also the great "Bright Lit Blue Skies" by Rockin' Ramrods. "What is this thing, I call my mind?" Talk about lyrics! Great tune though. I wuz there~! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:20:59 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Beatles covers Albabe.........How ya' doin'? I'm glad you brought up "Got to get you into my life" by Earth, Wind and Fire. It was produced by my late partner Lou Reizner and was part of of a remarkable album and film [co-produced by Russ Regan], "All this and World War II" which was released on 20th Century Fox records and included performances by the Bee Gees, Aerosmith, Helen Reddy, Ambrosia and Rod Stewart[ who Lou discovered]. With the exception of the recordings by the Bee Gees, which were faithful to the Beatle recordings [originally destined for the Sgt. Pepper film but ran into contract problems].......the other songs were more unique in their arrangements. I suggested that while 20th Century would have the album rights....let each of the particpating artists label have the single rights ....promoting the album and film with many hits at the same time. As I remember there were 3 or 4 charted singles, including Rod Stewart's "Get Back"......but the Album or Film didn't click with the public, unfortunately. If you ever have a chance to see or hear, "All this and World War II", I highly recommend it. regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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