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Spectropop - Digest Number 1183

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There are 18 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Bad Lines
           From: S.J. Dibai 
      2. Neighb'rhood Childr'n / Phil's Spectre / Clydie King
           From: Art Longmire 
      3. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Bill George 
      4. Re: Talk about
           From: C. Ponti 
      5. Re: Spector / Spoonful connection
           From: C. Ponti 
      6. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Bill George 
      7. Re: Aldon Music Staffers
           From: steveo 
      8. Re: Bewitched
           From: steveo 
      9. Harold Logan murder
           From: steveo 
     10. Re: Two Dolphin labels / The Ventures
           From: Mikey 
     11. Re: Two Dolphin labels / Ventures & Fleetwoods
           From: Joe Nelson 
     12. Re: Bad Lines
           From: Steve Harvey 
     13. Re: The Ventures
           From: Dan Hughes 
     14. Re: Orpheus
           From: Tom 
     15. Re: Bad Lines
           From: David Goodwin 
     16. Re: Dusty movie?
           From: Simon Bell 
     17. Re: Bad Lines
           From: Paul Bryant 
     18. Orpheus & Alan Lorber @ Musica
           From: Tom 

Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:03:27 -0000 From: S.J. Dibai Subject: Re: Bad Lines Paul Bryant wrote: > Continuing the bad grammar thread - > "All the things they said were wrong are what I want to be" > > .....well, I know what he means, but, does it make any sense? It makes more sense than "I find comments 'bout my looks irrelativity"! S.J. Dibai -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:26:45 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Neighb'rhood Childr'n / Phil's Spectre / Clydie King Does anybody else on Spectropop have this CD? The reason I'm asking is because after getting this a week ago it's unexpectedly become my favorite album of the moment-especially the song "Patterns" which is a quintessential, terrific San Francisco psych number. What's strange is I had a song on this album on a mix tape from more than 20 years ago and never knew it was by this group. Also picked up the "Phil's Spectre" CD, and wanted to single out the song "Missin' My Baby" by Clydie King-that song is just the ultimate in greatness. I have a later record that she did on Lizard Records but it's nowhere near as outstanding-I need to hear more of her earlier recordings. Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:45:29 EST From: Bill George Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett Me: > True, (Snuff Garrett) made some classics, but many of the records > he produced would have been much better left alone. Phil Milstein; > Y'mean like Gary Lewis? I was referring more to acts like Eddie Cochran. I have to admit I'm not very familiar with Gary Lewis' canon. Cochran apparently hated the strings and sweeteners that were added to his records. I guess Snuff was trying to make his rock n roll more "pop" and mainstream, but it often came out as watered down. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:48:35 -0000 From: C. Ponti Subject: Re: Talk about Julio Niño wrote: > I've been listening this afternoon to some tracks sung in English > by Mina..........."Il cielo..." is a perfect song, composed by the > ultracool Gino Paoli (whose version of the song, arranged and > conducted by Ennio Morricone, is so beautiful that it's scary). Patrick Rands: > Hi Julio, I can't help you out with your Mina question, but I do > agree that Gino Paoli's version of "Il cielo in una stanza" is > astounding. I played that and many other great songs this past May > on a 1960s Italian music spotlight radio show... Hey Patrick! Remember gli Rokes? In around '66 I was in Italy and was really taken by their version of "(La la la la la la) Live For Today", originally by the Yardbirds. I often wondered, did the Rokes lease the track and put their vocals on it? Because the track is identical to the Yarbirds' original. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:55:13 -0000 From: C. Ponti Subject: Re: Spector / Spoonful connection Steve Harvey wrote: > Hey, I knew, but then the Spoons were my favorite band. I seem > to recall something about Phil sitting in on piano at the gig. > > In 1967 I made my first trip to the Village to see my aunt's > new place there. Visited the Night Owl which was still a club > at that time. Hung around all day and went to see the show that > night. While I'm watching it who should come in, but all, but > one of the Turtles ('cept Howard). They were riding high at the > time with some tune by That Alan Gordon. And you know that Gary Bonner got his start playing at the Night Owl as part of The Magicians? They used to open for the Spoonful, as did the Strangers with Kenny Altman and Peter Galway. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:57:28 EST From: Bill George Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett Mark T. writes: > I love records with string orchestras and I think the productions > sound cheap without them. All a matter of taste and obviously his > stuff sold in great numbers so you my friend are in the minority. I love some records with string orchestras too. But try to imagine Elvis' Sun sides with an orchestra added. it would reek, not rock. My point was that some rock and roll records were turned into softer pop tracks by diluting them with strings and sweeteners. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. > I always laugh when people look for the crappy b-sides and > throwaway songs with no commercial appeal and they consider those > to be the "good songs". Well there's a reason well-produced records > are called "commercial". That's because the majority of people want > to hear that. So are you arguing that anything that sells is good? I have some Celine Dion and Mariah Carey CDs I'll sell you .... :) - Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: steveo Subject: Re: Aldon Music Staffers Artie Wayne wrote: > When I was signed to Aldon music [1959-1961] I wasn't much of a > songwriter or musician. Al Nevins and Donnie Kirshner convinced > my mother that I shouldn't go to college but learn the music > business, that I wanted so much to be part of, from the street > level. As a wide-eyed 17 year old, I sat everyday in Aldon Music's > 1650 B'way office and became freindly with most of the writers > who were signed....... Neil Sedaka and Howie Greenfield [who helped > me develop as a lyric writer],Cynthia Weil and Barry Mann [who taught > me how to sing harmony],Gerry Goffin and Carole King [who showed me > how to make demos], Jack Keller, Larry Kolber [one of my first > collaborators], Russ Teitleman, Brooks Arthur, Billy Michelle, > Charles Koppleman and Don Rubin and a 14 year old Toni Wine. > > It was a magical time and although I didn't get one cover record, > I learned more about songwriting than I ever could've in school. > The Aldon music offices were magical as well. When the company was > bought by ScreenGems, they moved out of the building and Koppleman > and Rubin moved in. When they moved out, my partner, Kelli Ross, and > I moved in and for the next 5 years ran Allouette Prods. Ccol story, Artie. Was Bacharach around at all at that time in that building? steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:11:56 -0800 (PST) From: steveo Subject: Re: Bewitched > Peggy Lee did a good rendition of the Bewitched theme song years > ago. I have it, and it is worth looking for. > Funny, but I was looking at the show's credits the other day. > There is no vocal version on the shows titles and I don't ever > remember hearing one - but I'd love to hear Peggy's. The composer Jack Keller sang it on a 1965 release on a Colpix 45. steveo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:19:39 -0800 (PST) From: steveo Subject: Harold Logan murder Anybody know the story on the murder of Lloyd Price's manager and co-writer, Harold Logan in the late 60's? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:30:52 -0500 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Two Dolphin labels / The Ventures Bob Hanes: > Actually, the Ventures, Walk Don't Run was on Dolphin in the > first place and changed to Dolton in mid run, I think! Was > there a Ventures release before WDR? It seems like there was, > but I sold off all my Ventures 45s and don't remember if there > was a second Ventures on Dophin. This is incorrect. "Walk Dont Run" was first released on Blue Horizon Records, which was owned by guitarist Don Wilson and his mom, Joise. Dolton Records bought WDR from them, and it NEVER appeared on a Dolphin label. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:55:26 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: Two Dolphin labels / Ventures & Fleetwoods > Actually, the Ventures, Walk Don't Run was on Dolphin in the first > place and changed to Dolton in mid run, I think! Was there a > Ventures release before WDR? It seems like there was, but I sold > off all my Ventures 45s and don't remember if there was a second > Ventures on Dophin. That late? WDR came out well after thew switch occurred. Maybe there was some leftover Dolphin label stock at Liberty and it inadvertently got used on the first run - the two designs WERE virtually identical. Every copy of the Fleetwoods' "Come Softly To Me" I've ever seen was on Dolphin, although I'm sure there are Dolton's out there (hey, I have yet to run into a Rocky Road pressing of Climax's "Precious And Few"). A few years ago, someone sent me a label scan of the Liberty stereo single of CSTM. Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Bad Lines Scott Charbonneau wrote: > Another gem from Dylan, this one from "Million > Dollar Bash": > I looked at my watch, I looked at my wrist > I punched myself in the face with my fist. Ah, but is really better than, "his cheese in his chunk and his cheese in his cash" from the same song. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:57:06 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: The Ventures Paul asks, > My Billboard Book of Top 40 hits gives a measly 6 hits to the > Ventures... When you [Mikey] say they had 17 charted singles, > what are you actually referring to? The Ventures had 14 singles which charted in the Billboard Hot 100. Don't know about the other three. However, I think the Ventures sold a lot more albums than singles. Thousands of kids who thought they would someday play great guitar bought those Ventures albums to try to learn how to do it. ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:28:40 -0000 From: Tom Subject: Re: Orpheus Clark Besch wrote: > Tom, I so agree with needing to have the "uncovered" "Can't Find the > Time" and the "anatomy" "Never seen love like this" versions! They > are so, so cool to hear how two great songs were produced step by > step. Yeah, I was really surprised to find out that "I've Never Seen Love..." didn't even chart. It had all the elements to be a mega hit of the day. I love the chunky acoustic guitars, stand-up bass and Bernard Purdie's funky drum fills. It remains the epitome of their early folk- meets-pop-meets-jazz sound. Dare I say, it may even equal their classic, "Can't Find The Time". Tom -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:43:07 -0600 From: David Goodwin Subject: Re: Bad Lines Thought I'd add to the insanity. >From the Association's self-titled album, and the obviously-a-joke- but-still-fun song, Broccoli: "I like to eat it with my mouth, tastes so good. I like to eat it with my mouth, it's my favorite food." With "food" pronounced so that it rhymes with "good." Actually, now that I think about it, the really odd part about that couplet's more of the "eat it with my mouth" concept. I mean, what else is he gonna eat it with? -David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:40:16 -0000 From: Simon Bell Subject: Re: Dusty movie? Mary wrote: > Does anyone know what's going on with the movie (not sure of the > name of it). It will be about my favorite singer Dusty Springfield, > and staring Joely Fisher???? How is it going if at all? I met Dusty > in 66 she was such a Great lady. A really nice lady to chat with. > We miss her dearly. Only wished she had made a Christmas LP. There are in fact two projects to make movies about Dusty. One in the UK with Michelle Collins, and the one you referred to, in the States with Joely Fisher. Both projects appear to be still happening. I keep my DUSTYNEWS page updated regularly at: -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 02:13:26 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Bad Lines > You Are The Sunshine Of My Life must've been an accident. It was > flawless. > Hate to disagree (and apologize for getting into the 70s), but > that song included one of Stevie's bad lyrical trademarks -- > accenting the wrong syllable of a word: "...because you came to > my res-CUE". Same as in I Wish ("...why did those days e-VER have > to go"). Regarding Stevie - can someone enlighten me about something which has been a puzzle since around 1966? "Uptight, everything is all right" sings Stevie - but "uptight" doesn't mean "all right" does it? It's ancient 60s slang meaning the very opposite to all right! pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:35:07 -0000 From: Tom Subject: Orpheus & Alan Lorber @ Musica Since the Big Beat compilation has been discontinued for some time, I thought I'd offer up this interesting bonus track to you Musica listeners. It features producer Alan Lorber and composer Bruce Arnold describing the construction of the Orpheus second single, "I've Never Seen Love Like This" - a follow-up hit that never was. Enjoy "(Anatomy of) I've Never Seen Love Like This" from the 1995 2CD Big Beat compilation "The Best of Orpheus" (CDWIK2 143). Tom -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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