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Spectropop - Digest Number 1179



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There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Musica Lollipops
           From: Clark Besch 
      2. Claire
           From: Stuart Miller 
      3. Re:Best Lines from songs
           From: Bob Hanes 
      4. Good/Bad lyrics
           From: Guy Lawrence 
      5. Bad Rhymes/B. Shafto
           From: Alan V. Karr 
      6. Bobby Shafto
           From: Larry Lapka 
      7. Re: "Witchi Tai To"
           From: Declan Meehan 
      8. Re: Rhymin' pearls
           From: S.J. Dibai 
      9. Re: Jimmy Cross / When Jackie walks in the room / America  v...
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     10. Clairifyin'
           From: Alan Gordon 
     11. Re: Aldon Music Staffers 1962
           From: Mike C. 
     12. Re: Snuff Garrett & "Strings"
           From: Paul Bryant 
     13. Re: Bobby Shafto
           From: David Coyle 
     14. Re: Da da-da da
           From: Dan Hughes 
     15. Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
           From: David Coyle 
     16. Jerry Yester
           From: Dave Heasman 
     17. Re: Joe Brown and the Bruvvers
           From: David Coyle 
     18. Re: Bad rhymes/bad grammar
           From: Paul Bryant 
     19. Re: Folk-Rock Special
           From: David Coyle 
     20. Re: "Without you I'd be a little lost lamb..."
           From: Phil Chapman 
     21. Re: The Hollies - Long Road Home
           From: David Coyle 
     22. Re: The 1958 murder of John Dolphin
           From: Joe Nelson 
     23. Re: Bad Lines
           From: David Coyle 
     24. Re: Bad Rhymes
           From: Steve Harvey 


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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:21:20 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Musica Lollipops Hi, per an offline request, Lollipops' "Freight Train to Boston" is now playing too.....Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:31:42 -0000 From: Stuart Miller Subject: Claire Ian Chippett: > I certainly wouldn't include myself among the Mind Police: as I said I > loved this song at the time as well as G O'S's other stuff but he was > never the world's sharpest lyricist and he slipped up here with the "you > get to me in a way I can't describe" bit. I don't really suppose he was > saying what he seemed to be implying but these days they'd be down on > him like a ton of bricks. My plea to otherwise great songwriters like G > O'S is : Get yourself a literate lyricist. The words matter. Even if > you think they don't, some of us do. Ian - FYI, Clare was the daughter of GOS' manager at the time, Gordon Mills. He would baby sit for her. Continuing my totally one dimensional contribution to this site, there was a 4 Seasons record, "Goodbye Girl" which caused the same confusion and discussion. The picture was further muddied with this track owing to the fact that it was the B side to their recently discussed single "Saturday's Father" which was a paean to divorced fathers and the bridge was the soundtrack of children playing. The discussion around "Goodbye Girl" was, was Frankie Valli singing to his daughter or to his girlfriend? As I recall, the general consensus at the time was that he was "speaking" to his daughter but none of us could really be sure. The closing line, "Daddy's gone" didn't help either. Such are the problems and questions that challenge us in life. Stuart Miller -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:30:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Hanes Subject: Re:Best Lines from songs The Lovin Spoonful- "and ran out the doo flambeau" The Right Reverend Bob, dumb angel chapel, Church of the Harmonic Overdub -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:32:40 -0000 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Good/Bad lyrics As a huge fan of dance craze records I've often marvelled at the lyrics the strictures of the format throw up. They range from the superb: "There's a dance spreadin' 'round like an awful disease..." (The Olympics "Hully Gully") ...to the just plain nonplussing: "Let's do the Kangaroo - They're doin' it in Germany..." (The Majorettes "Let's Do The Kangaroo") and in "The Handclapping Song" do Josie & The Pussycats really sing: "England, Hindustan, People all over the world are clappin' hands"? Watson Macblue wrote re:bad rhymes: > The Sunrays, God help them, in their timeless epic > "A Little Dog and His Boy"... Aw!....I LOVE that record! Artie Wayne wrote: > Carole King and I were waiting at Nevins-Kirschner > publishing...she asked me if I wanted to hear what she > and Gerry Goffin had just written... WOW! This is the stuff! Great story Artie - your best yet! Keep 'em coming! Guy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TweedleeDumsDrive-In/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:50:24 -0000 From: Alan V. Karr Subject: Bad Rhymes/B. Shafto I always was "hooked" by this "bad" rhyme in Roger Miller's Dang Me. So were all the other buyers of this disc, apparently! Roses are red Violets are purple Sugar is sweet and so's maple surple. --------- Bobby Shafto was a pre-Beatles Parlophone artist who despite some very good discs, such as Over & Over md'd by John Barry didn't have much success - IMO too much of an Adam Faith clone in sound AND looks, who already was on the label. She's My Girl, ostensibly backed by the "Jet Set" is an excellent disc sounding for all the world like one of (the late) Adam's updated beat recordings with the Roulettes. Another Capitol reject turned chart record, written by Jackie Lee's then-husband Len Beadle & co-Raindrop Bob Conrad (Peter Callander who later had a hand in 70s hits The Night Chicago Died, Billy Dont Be a Hero, Daddy Don't You Walk So Fast to name a few) picked up by Laurie/Rust on the heels of their astute licensing of Gerry & The Pacemakers. Produced by Ron Richards and on the recent EMI CD Beat At Abbey Road. Just 2 more artists Id like to see compiled by the likes of RPM, Castle, etc. Regards. Alan V. Karr -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:46:11 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Lapka Subject: Bobby Shafto Dear Those Answering My Bobby Shafto Query: Thanks to all for your input on Bobby Shafto. I definitely remember hearing that song on WABC way back in I guess 1964 or so. Does anyone have an MP3 of this song that perhaps could be uploaded here? Several other singles came out under that name; does anybody have any further information on this? Larry Lapka -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:02:27 -0000 From: Declan Meehan Subject: Re: "Witchi Tai To" Stephane Rebeschini wrote: > Inspired by a religious Peyote chant from the Kaw tribe, > "Witchi Tai To" was recorded by many groups. Here are the > ones I know... Also can strongly recommend two gorgeous contemporary versions by two scottish bands. Firstly a 'home demo' version by BMX Bandits on the b-side of their 'little hands' single (around 1994?) and another lovely version by Future Pilot AKA a couple of years ago on there 'tiny waves, mighty sea' LP on the great Geographic records of Glasgow. Both versions follow the Harpers Bizzare arrangement but are beautifully played and sung. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:13:07 -0000 From: S.J. Dibai Subject: Re: Rhymin' pearls Albabe, > I especially like the Orbison rhymes that you didn't. > I thought it was sorta clever, in fact. Hmm.....I guess we'll agree to disagree here. Roy's songwriting degenerated after 1965, due to a number of factors (divorce, deaths of family members, switch to a bad record label, stricter contractual obligations). As a result, he was reusing a lot of rhymes that weren't very good to begin with: "hurt" and "flirt", "longer" and "stronger", "time" and "mine", etc. Furthermore, in "I'll Never Get Over You", it sounds like he just gave up all creativity and slapped together every simple rhyme he could come up with in the space of three minutes. Throwing in the names of every girl from the early rock 'n' roll hits didn't help. S.J. Dibai -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:13:04 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Jimmy Cross / When Jackie walks in the room / America v... You know, I thought about that "Live and Let Die" lyric a lot. Could it possibly go "But in this ever changing world in which we're livin''"? (Not that McCartney ever got any points for honors English!) Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:15:34 -0800 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Clairifyin' Ian said: > ... and he slipped up here with the "you get to me in a way > I can't describe" bit... Get yourself a literate lyricist. > The words matter. Even if you think they don't, some of us do. Just to "clairify", I did say, "I'm not pointing fingers at Ian at all..." There is a huge difference between the people that have opinions about things, and certain people that feel they NEED to do something to protect us all from so many indecencies. I never assumed you were one of those protectors that, for instance, needed to sue a rock group because their ignorant and somewhat dim son managed to blow his face off because he was so stoned when listening to certain music that he thought the devil was telling him to shoot himself. Why do the lyrics: "...you get to me in a way I can't describe..." have to mean something sexual? It seems obvious to me that the writer is trying to say something about something he can't describe, and he quite literally says so. My love for my friends is something that is ineffable to me. Maybe I'm just not a good enough poet, but words don't adequately describe those feelings for me, not even when uttered by poets like Carole King, or Jackson Browne, or Shakespeare, or Rainier Rilke, or Lao Tsu. Those words can be beautiful and wonderful and very warm... but they don't come close to describing my personal feelings. However, I think "art" is there to say things that are virtually impossible to "say" in conversation. I think "Art," whether music, or painting, or sculpture, or poetry or... is a language that is here for us to intimate the indescribable. I just haven't heard the words that perfectly describe Love yet. To try to describe the things that Gilbert says he can't describe is amazing irony in my estimation... and not the Alanna type of irony. peace, ~albabe PS: The Collector's Choice Christmas CD sets are really cool. They come in a "wooden" box with a cute little Brass graphic on the front. They're 2 disc sets with about 25 tracks on each disc. I have two of the "best ofs..." I'm probably going to get the Soul Christmas set too since the 2 I have are so cool. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:35:06 -0000 From: Mike C. Subject: Re: Aldon Music Staffers 1962 Monophonius wrote: > It has been said that Aldon Music had eighteen (18) songwriters > working for them in 1962, all twenty-six years of age or younger. > I can name most of them, but not all. You know, Goffin, King, > Greenfield, Sedaka, Keller, Mann, Weil, Kolber, Miller, et al. > Maybe Artie Wayne could come up with a complete list? Mikey: > Don't forget Koppelman and Rubin (3 O'Clock Rock). Don't forget Charlie Weiss and Art Kaplan. Both wrote several songs with Carole King. Also Hank Hunter. Mike C. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:58:51 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett & "Strings" Mikey, originally: > .......the biggest selling act on Liberty was The Ventures, > with over 800 million records sold as of 2002. later: > I of course typed too fast and meant *80* million > records. Still, 80 million is a whole LOT of records to sell ! Especially for a group who only had 3 top ten hits. I too remember reading huge sales figures for the Ventures and I disbelieved them then - so what's the source for your information? Were they - what's the phrase - big in Japan?? pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:05:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Bobby Shafto Bobby Shafto's "She's My Girl" (no relation to same-titled songs by the Turtles or the Bobby Fuller Four) is on EMI's "Beat At Abbey Road 1963-66" compilation. Bobby Shafto was also part of a one-off "supergroup" comprised of British one-hit wonders, including Dickie Pride, perhaps the most unfortunately named of Larry Parnes's "stable of stars". The group was called the Guv'nors and were a half hearted attempt for late '50s ballad singers to join the Merseybeat craze. Their recording "Let's Make A Habit Of This" is on "Beat Beat Beat Vol. 1" and "The Piccadilly Story." David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:46:39 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Da da-da da > I want to thank my friend Jon Adelson for exposing my ignorance-- > for all the honest world to feel. > > OK Adelson--what song are the last 7 words from, huh? Love that song but don't understand it. Pancho Villa? Lefty Frizzell? Pancho Sanza? Lefty Gomez? Pancho and Cisco? Huh? ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:48:10 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss) Here's another rather violent line from a '60s tune that no one has mentioned yet. From the Outsiders (the Cleveland group), their most "garage-y" recording "What Makes You So Bad (You Weren't Brought Up That Way)" features the line "What's that you say? Don't talk to me like that! I'll hit ya in the head. I'm that kinda cat baby!" David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:00:14 -0000 From: Dave Heasman Subject: Jerry Yester Alan Zweig: > Jerry Yester on the other hand, was slightly better. > At least he sounded like a singer, which isn't always > just about the quality of the voice. He was more comfortable > with the the job. And though I know he was in later > incarnations of the Spoonful, I think of him as the guy who > made the record with Judy Henske on Zappa's label. > (Or maybe I have that wrong.) "Farewell Aldebaran", a very good record. Recently played a bit by Bob Brainen on WFMU, and searchable. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:00:56 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Joe Brown and the Bruvvers Joe Brown is simply one of the superstars of the pre-British Invasion era. He was idolized by George Harrison who had his picture taken once holding Joe Brown's Gibson hollowbody electric. I'd never actually seen the picture until it was shown on one of the bonus interviews on the "Concert For George" DVD, the concert which also featured Brown. I've got two bits of video footage of Joe Brown, one playing "It Only Took A Minute" on the BBC children's show "Crackerjack," after which puppet Lenny the Lion asks him to do "The Lambeth Walk". Joe Brown replies "Aye? 'At's a bit square, innit?" Cockney caricature all the way. On the 1964 NME Pollwinners Concert, he and the Bruvvers perform three songs including "Henry the Eighth", "What A Crazy World" from the film of the same name. And surprisingly enough, they also perform a song from the opera "Carmen"! His acoustic playing on this track is phenomenal. There's a rumor that Joe Brown's crewcut was a primary inspiration on David Bowie's hairstyle of the late '60s and '70s. Jimmy Page may have been Britain's ace session guitar player, but nobody could touch Joe Brown for rockabilly licks (a close second would be Big Jim Sullivan). David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Bad rhymes/bad grammar Mike McKay wrote: > Other nominations? And later on as the crowd thinned out I's just about to do the same - Bob Dylan of course. Would like to see him try to thin out all by himself. Maybe he was talkin about that new diet everybody's doing now. pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:38:46 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Folk-Rock Special I haven't gotten around to watching all of that PBS folk-rock special, but I did catch a second or two of the Seekers doing "I'll Never Find Another You", and agree they sounded great. And the lead singer (Judith Durham) still looks pretty much like she did in the '60s, which is a plus. It was a surprise seeing Trini Lopez on the bill... boy has time been rough on him. But he still puts on a good show. Unfortunately, I can't think of Trini without picturing him "doing the Freddie" on Hullaballoo ca. 1965... David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:26:33 -0000 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: "Without you I'd be a little lost lamb..." C Ponti: > Trying to find out the title of this old soul song I loved > from early 60s.. We in NY often could pick up a soul station > from far away. This song had a chorus lyric of "and I'm never > gonna leave you, never gonna leave you..." This Gentile/Lambert song ("Never, Never Leave Me") is one of Mary Wells' many delectable post-Motown recordings, and a favourite of mine. I think it's available on CD, The Ultimate Collection: http://tinyurl.com/2fsyz I've played a clip of it to musica to whet your appetite. By the way, although it doesn't have to rhyme with anything, the line is "without you I'd be a little lost sheep" - presumably it sings better? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:27:01 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: The Hollies - Long Road Home > Has anyone got The Hollies new 6 cd box set "The > Long Road Home"? > How is it? Is it worth the close to $100 price tag? I've been wondering about this as well, considering I've looked at the track list and it appears that the original versions of several of the Hollies great hits were left off the set in deference to '70s/'80s live versions of the songs on the later discs. I'm sure it's a nicely put together set, but I'm very disappointed it will do nothing to replace the Hollies collection I've amassed so far, including the "30th Anniversary Collection", a Sundazed reissue of "King Midas In Reverse", and a couple of the EMI 100th Anniversary reissues. If they had at least left on those hits they dropped, it might have been worth more for me to get it. It's certainly not as definitive as something like "Zombies Heaven", for which a similar Hollies collection would probably have 10 or 12 discs rather than six. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:34:08 -0500 From: Joe Nelson Subject: Re: The 1958 murder of John Dolphin > Apologies all around if this has already been answered: > John Dolphin owned Dolphin's of Hollywood, a record > store on Central at Vernon Avenue down in the black > section of L.A. He was also the owner of a small label, > Dolphin Records, among others. Is this the same label that became Dolton records, or is it the reason that label changed its name? Joe Nelson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:07:21 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Bad Lines To me, nothing will ever, ever, ever beat: "And men keep right on marchin' off to war, Electrically they keep a baseball score..." from "The Beat Goes On" by Sonny & Cher David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Bad Rhymes Bernie Taupin once wrote, "I've made some bad rhymes" and he was right! Got better once he ditched Reginald. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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