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Spectropop - Digest Number 1173

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Crooners
           From: Ken Silverwood 
      2. RE: Fiesta Records
           From: Boxer Guy 
      3. Re: Casey Kasem
           From: David Coyle 
      4. Lines, Rhymes, Love
           From: Bob Rashkow 
      5. Re: Special Spector request
           From: Gary Spector 
      6. Re: Is that THE Austin Roberts?
           From: Bob Rashkow 
      7. Re: Adrian Gurvitz
           From: Bill George 
      8. Line I'd rather la to
           From: Ken Silverwood 
      9. Re: Lovin Spoonful
           From: David Coyle 
     10. Re: Peak postion vs staying power
           From: Austin Roberts 
     11. Re: The Raindrops
           From: Joe Somsky 
     12. Re: Christie, Tremeloes
           From: Eddy 
     13. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Bill George 
     14. Brian Wilson performing SMILE at (UK) Royal Festival Hall in Feb.?
           From: C Pontidue 
     15. Catching up & new stuff, including "At The Drive-In"; Al Anderson; Billy & Lillie; Sam Cooke
           From: Country Paul 
     16. Snuff Garrett/Allan Klein
           From: Artie Wayne 
     17. Talk about
           From: Julio Niño  
     18. Re: Casey Kasem
           From: Phil Milstein 
     19. Re: Good Lyrics
           From: James Botticelli 
     20. Re: musica tip
           From: Phil Milstein 
     21. Re: I come not to bury Casey
           From: Mark Wirtz 
     22. Re: Worst Rhyme In a Song?
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     23. Re: worst rhymes
           From: Phil Milstein 
     24. Re: shortest track
           From: Andrew jones 
     25. Re: Casey Kasem and Folk Rock on PBS
           From: Mark 

Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:27:56 -0000 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: Crooners Frankie (Give Me The Moonlight) Vaughan was Liverpudlian by birth, he did have plenty of success between 1956 to 1963. He had a # 22 hit in the USA with "Judy" in 1958. He also made a film in Hollywood probably 1959/60. He was a staple diet for Saturday & Sunday night TV in those colourless days. His first real hit in the UK was a cover of "Green Door" followed by "Garden Of Eden"; you can see where we are heading... *coversville*. Amongst his other hits (quite numerous): "Kisses Sweeter Than Wine", "Kewpie Doll", "Tower Of Strength"(a #1), "Loop De Loop" & "Hello Dolly". His last entry was "There Must Be A Way" in 1967 (#7). Looking through his mass of singles is a version of Bacharach/David's " There Goes The Forgotten Man" coupled with a cover of The Beatles "Wait", which I remember - has anyone got or heard the a-side? My understanding of a "crooner" is someone who sleepwalks through the material, devoid of any emotion whatsoever. I first heard the term in reference to Bing Crosby & after that any besuited balladier. I recently matched a couple of lines from a long forgotten song "Don't want the world to have & hold" & "I never wanted wealth untold". I had the tune, but nothing else. Then one day fiddling around online, it was revealed to me as "Band Of Gold" by Don Cherry from 1955. My God, had it been in my head since then?!!! The reason I am mentioning it? It's a perfect example of a "crooning" song sung in a perfect "crooning " voice. THE END Hush hush a-bye, hush hush a-bye-bye. Ken On The West Coast. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:24:30 -0000 From: Boxer Guy Subject: RE: Fiesta Records Hey there, Stuffed Animal. You posted back in July about the Fiesta record company and Jose Morand. What information were you looking for? I might be able to assist you. Latin moves. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:45:54 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Casey Kasem > Looked sort of like a great uncle on speed... No more than your own Brian Matthews...except for the black hair and the speed part. Is Jimmy Saville still alive? Wasn't he up there in years last I heard and still on the radio? David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:44:42 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Lines, Rhymes, Love Arthur Lee is my Higher Power. If John Cusack was willing to put TWO of his tunes in a movie (has any of Love's or his songs ever been on a film soundtrack, even in the sixties?) then it's gotta be true. Whenever I sing Joni Mitchell's "For Free" (a cappella and pretty badly!) I parody the aforementioned line - "I went shopping today at the Jew--woo-woo--ell." Lesley Gore in "Judy's Turn To Cry" sings "Then my tears fell like raindrops/Cause Judy's smile was so mean!" Barry & Cynthia or Gerry & Carole wrote that, didn't they? Not one of their stronger rhymes IMHO! One of my favorite lines actually coupled with a not-so-terrific rhyme is Paul Leka's "Falling Sugar" (as done so splendidly by LA's Palace Guard without Don Agrati aka Don Grady): The hurt is so deep/ That I can't sleep or eat/Unless you come back and make my thoughts of you seem sweet/And they tumble down like falling sugar (Like falling su-gahhhh) Who cares about the rhyme? It's just a super tune! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:13:55 -0700 From: Gary Spector Subject: Re: Special Spector request Kingsley Abbott wrote: > I am involved with a Phil Spector book project for next year > and I would like to include a knowledgable fan based list of PS > produced favourites. Please could as many of you as possible > email me directly (OFF LIST) with your (ordered) top ten choices > (and your fave off the Christmas album) so that I can compile a > comprehensive list - the more of you who respond the better, for > obvious reasons, so please take a moment or two and email me > your choices. I will collate and post the results after Christmas. Sounds interesting. Are you doing research on him or just his music? Specter Not just another P.S. Fan... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:13:44 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Is that THE Austin Roberts? I second that! (Or third, or fourth.....) Austin Roberts is here on the group! All RIGHT! Penner (if I'm not mistaken) of "Boo On You" by Bazooka. (Got a DJ copy and I love it!) And wonderful early 70s balladeer! So underrated......welcome to you & love to hear stories about your career especially in the 6Ts.... Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:18:47 EST From: Bill George Subject: Re: Adrian Gurvitz Previously: > At the same time Adrian was recording with Graham Edge of the Moody > Blues, on his solo albums. I haven't been following this thread very closely. But I picked up an LP by the Graham Edge Band (feat. Adrian Gurvitz) once at a garage sale. I thought it was pretty awful at the time and I got rid of it. Don't remember much about it now, however. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:39:09 -0000 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Line I'd rather la to All this chat about good lines and bad rhymes set me a thinking about the line in Neil Sedaka's "Calendar Girl". It goes: "April - you're the Easter bunny when you smile". I always la-la that line. What an image!! Ken On The West Coast -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:11:27 -0800 (PST) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Lovin Spoonful It is kind of a shame that John Sebastian isn't involved with the current lineup of the Lovin' Spoonful. Wonder how many people in the audience realized that wasn't him singing and playing the Autoharp. It almost kind of looks like an older JB if you squint or have macularly degenerated. Otherwise... It also doesn't help that Zal Yanovsky's dead. His guitar sound and personality was probably half the band. But if you remember the Spoonful reunion for the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame induction, it may be better that Sebastian isn't singing with them. I just hope it was a bad night for his voice... David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:59:40 EST From: Austin Roberts Subject: Re: Peak postion vs staying power Robert John's "Sad Eyes" took the longest to get to Number One. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:11:18 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Somsky Subject: Re: The Raindrops Jimmy wrote: > "That Boy John" is really and truly one of the great > girl-group/R&B/jazz fusion songs ever recorded. Anyone agree? Hey Jimmy, I agree! Joe Somsky/Ellie Greenwich Fan Club P.O. Box 65, Wood-Ridge, New Jersey 07075 -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:43:19 -0000 From: Eddy Subject: Re: Christie, Tremeloes Ray: > ....The Tremeloes recorded Jeff's "Yellow River", but decided > not to release it. So Christie was formed to release the song, > with Jeff singing over the Tremeloes' backing track. Quite a while since this short thread came along. Reviving it because last night I watched a 30-minute special on Christie's "Yellow River", featuring interviews with two Tremeloes, Mike Smith and of course Jeff Christie. Fans of the band may be interested to know that the Tremeloes did actually release their version at the South America ! They beat Christie to the top of the charts apparently with their Spanish language version, called "No Comprende". Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:32:42 EST From: Bill George Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett Previously: > Sorry to hear that he [Snuff Garrett] is in ill health. > He was another one of the unsung producing geniuses. > Seeing his name on a label almost guarantees a really > good pop record with excellent production. Gee, whenever I see his name, I think of great rock and roll records nearly ruined with string orchestras. True, he made some classics, but many of the records he produced would have been much better left alone. Have I just started a new topic for discussion? :) - Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 04:39:00 -0000 From: C Pontidue Subject: Brian Wilson performing SMILE at (UK) Royal Festival Hall in Feb.? Rumours are rife that Brian Wilson will expand upon the smattering of SMILE era stuff already being performed in the Pet Sounds tour with the Wondermints. Even Van Dyke won't confirm the verity of same.. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:25:29 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Catching up & new stuff, including "At The Drive-In"; Al Anderson; Billy & Lillie; Sam Cooke Michael Fishberg wrote: > UK artists Joe Brown and the Bruvvers had the original > pre-Hermits hit with "I'm 'Enery The Eigth I Am". I'm interested in knowing a bit more about this group. We Yanks got "Teardrops In The Rain" released here on Jamie (super record, by the way), and I vaguely remember seeing them do it on TV (live? lipsync?) only once. I think Joe Brown had a very macho crewcut if I'm not mistaken. How are they regarded in England? What's their station in the pantheon of artists? Mick Patrick: > Jimmy Cross "I Want My Baby Back" - great Shangri-Las > answer record Funny as hell, too. Didn't he record under another name as well, or was this his nom de plume? Or am I way off base on this? Richard Williams: > Re Rupert's People: "Reflections of Charles Brown" is a > wonderful record. This is a good time to note that Charles Brown was also the writer and performer of the classics "Please Come Home For Christmas" and "Merry Christmas Baby," true seasonal classics covered by all kinds of artists. Bob: > Bobby Vee has just released his newly recorded > Christmas CD. The title is "Up North December".... > At the same site I saw the following: "AT THE DRIVE-IN is a once-in-a-lifetime concert featuring "Surf City" legends of the 1950s and '60s. Fabian, one of the original teenage heartthrobs, will host an unprecedented lineup including Jan and Dean in their farewell concert tour, Bobby Vee, The Surfaris, Dodie Stevens, Gunnar & Matt Nelson, The Rip Chords and Chris Montez. AT THE DRIVE-IN will air on PBS stations nationwide starting on November 28 and a DVD will follow shortly after. Please check your local PBS listings for air times in your markets as it will differ from town to town. It will air nationwide throughout December. The folks at PBS are very excited about it. For any New York fans, Bobby Vee will be live in the studio at the New York City PBS affiliate for the broadcast on December 1." Did anyone in this group see this? How was it? (I'm strill catching up chronologically, so if this is reviewed between this post on December 7th and today, I haven't seen it.) Steve Harvey mentions that Al Anderson's (The Wildweeds/NRBQ) hometown was New Haven. Close, but off by the longest 35 miles in Connecticut. Al was from Windsor, the first town founded in CT and one suburb north of Hartford, the city with which he is most identified. Yeah, maybe trivial, but this kind of stuff in important in a small state! :-) And I strongly second Phil Milstein's exhortation to get the "complete" Wildweeds CD and hear what all the fuss is about. ("Complete" is in quotes - Al did an interview with me at WHCN with one very loud rocker that never showed up anywhere in release; I have a tape of it somewhere and will work at transferring it to some digital medium in the future - and of course, sharing it with you if you'd like.) Me, earlier: > My two cents on Richard Thompson: an exception artist.... Oops - a typo! "exceptional",of course. Al got lost. (Maybe he's still living in Windsor....) David Coyle: > As a Beatles fanatic who has heard many bootlegs, I > for one would like to see the Beatles Christmas flexis > reissued on one legit CD. There was an LP compiled of all of them; I assume it was semi-legit, as it was delivered to the radio station by a Capitol promo man, but I believe it was for promotional use only, not designed for store sales. Jon Adelson: > ...[W]hat was the song that went la di da, oh boy, let's go, > cha cha cha? Billy & Lillie, "Lah De Dah", Swan 4002. Great record! Billy Ford was a bandleader of some renown previous to this song; the backing band is listed as "Billy Ford & The Thunderbirds". The follow-up was "Lucky Ladybug"; both were co-written by Bob Crewe and Frank Slay (info from a good capsule Bob Crewe bio at (The Four Seasons also covered "Ladybug".) One of B&L's more obscure tracks, "Creepin', Crawlin', Cryin'" shares space on an Ace CD of R&B duos with another previously-unknown-to-me original, "Love Me", by Willy and Ruth, more famously done by Elvis. Anyone here heard this original version? How is it? Phil M: > I suppose...Sam [Cooke]'s name should go on that list of > producers with an identifiable and highly personal sound. Thanks for bringing this up, Phil. I'd certainly add him, among other reasons for the ongoing influence he had through one of his chief acolytes, Rod Stewart. So many of The Mod's early bluesy tracks ("I've Been Drinkin'", for one prime and lesser known example) trace directly to Cooke, at least through these ears. To me the Cooke influence via the VI-I chord progression he so often used was instantly identifiable. "So, so long, I've got to go now..." [Bob Knight Four] Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:14:34 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Snuff Garrett/Allan Klein I want to thank everyone who tried to get me a phone# and address for Snuff Garrett...and to Bob Celli who got me the info I needed. regards, Artie Wayne P.S. Is it true that Allan Klein hasn't released the Cameo/Parkway catalog because he was never able to do the Twist,The Mashed potatoes or the Bristol Stomp? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:57:43 -0000 From: Julio Niño Subject: Talk about Hi Everybody, Could anybody tell me if Mina's version of "Talk About Me" (Greenwich/Raleigh) was issued as a single in USA in the sixties?. Was it even released in Italy?. Because I can't find any reference of it in Mina's official discography. I've been listening this afternoon to some tracks sung in English by Mina. To my ears she sounds rather different than when she sings in Italian, often much more controlled and less emotional. For instance, in the English version of "Il cielo in una stanza" (Heaven in a Room) she sounds in pain, almost crying the song, instead of ecstatic, like in the Italian version. "Il cielo..." is a perfect song, composed by the ultracool Gino Paoli (whose version of the song, arranged and conduced by Ennio Morricone, is so beautiful that it's scary). Julio Niño. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:46:31 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Casey Kasem Dan Hughes wrote: > Mark, have you heard Casey's infamous Dead Dog Dedication? > Check it out: > (this is a bleeped version; unbleeped versions abound on the > internet--just do a Google search). Don't cry for Casey Kasem -- the dude's had quite a career, and, esp. since he's long been one of the most prolific voice actors in the business (most famously as Scooby-Doo), I doubt he'll be on welfare anytime soon. His on-screen credits alone include "New York, New York" (as a DJ), "The Day The Lord Got Busted", "The Night That Panicked America", "The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant" (as a doctor), "Wild Wheels" (as "Knife"), "Scream Free!" (aka "Free Grass" and "Street Drugs"; as "Phil"), "The Cycle Savages," "2000 Years Later" (as a DJ), "The Glory Stompers" (as "Mouth"), and "The Girls From Thunder Strip". A movie he was not in but still recorded the title piece for (it's more a recitation than a song) is a 1970 flick entitled "No Blade Of Grass". Hear it now on musica. Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars, --Phil M. P.S. One more interesting Caseyfact: Jesse Jackson was the minister who presided over his most recent wedding. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:19:25 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Good Lyrics Elvis Costello Don't get smart or sarcastic He snaps back just like elastic Spare us the threatrics And the verbal gymnastics We break wise guys just like matchsticks from "The Loved Ones" -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:01:42 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: musica tip Philip Hall wrote: > I tried to load "Around The Corner" by The Duprees up > to Musica last night, but I got a message saying there > was not enough space. What's the trick for loading files? Yahoo provides a fairly simple, if not exactly straightforward, method for determining space availability in its Files section (i.e., musica). In the bottom right corner of the Files window are a pair of five-digit numbers. The second number lists the amount of space allotted to our group; as you'd expect that number is fixed, at 20480kb (or 20.48 megabytes). The first number indicates how much of that is currently occupied. All the hopeful poster needs to do is subtract the first number from the second, the result being the amount of space currently available. Compare that to the file size of the MP3 you hope to load. Leaving a little leeway for headers and other negligible variables, if your file is smaller than the space available, it should be safe to upload, and vice versa. Happy posting, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:38:17 -0500 From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re: I come not to bury Casey Alan Haber: > Well, it takes a lot to get me to post (this might be the second or > third time ever), but this isn't the Casey Kasem I know. I interviewed > him a few years ago (and subsequently met him a few times) for a major > radio industry trade paper profile, and found him to be one of the most > sincere, nicest people in the biz. Alan Zweig: > Hmmm.  I must dissent.  Sincere.  Nice.  Yeah sure.... > ....But so many famous people are talking about other > famous people here, it would be nice if folks had to > actually earn their accolades. Methinks that Zebra is dissing Elephant here. You sure you is in thuh right zoo? Casey was/is in showbusiness, old chap! And, he most certainly EARNED his accolades in it, and more, by pure sustenance and record-breaking audience appeal. AND, he distinguished himself as being a primarily gracious human being to boot! Showbusiness, regardless of its native species, IS a jungle, in which the mere, relentless, survival fight often makes people cranky. And yes, just like you will inevitably be pissed-off by, or even in conflict with, a loved one or a friend or close associate in a moments of stress, Casey will doubtlessly have kicked the dog or the kid on odd occasions, only to regret it later. He's human, I suppose. Perhaps you, as an apparent character witness for the prosecution of the "accused", might have, coincidentally, been in the firing-line of one of Casey's foible-moments - or shouldn't have been there at all. Come on, bro', give the man a break. We all know that nobody can please everybody. Casey pleased so many, for so long, that dissidents should at least have the grace and dignity to respect him as someone who has done what nobody else has managed to do. Picasso put three noses in a person's face. Does that make him a shitty artist? Respectful of your differing opinion, mark wirtz -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:49:33 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Re: Worst Rhyme In a Song? S.J. Dibai wrote: > The Ides of March, "Roller Coaster" (1966 version): in which Jim > Peterik admits to singing "unintelligible nonsense" after the > line "One shy boy who is beckoning." I still can't figure out what > he's saying, but it does rhyme! A roller coaster may be kicks to kids of four or five or six! The unintelligible lyrics add so much to the record, which can best be appreciated on an original 1966 Parrot 45. If anyone has figured out the "right" lyrics to this song, I'd sure like to hear them! My vote for worst rhymes: "Endless Love", which (if I remember correctly) manages to rhyme "life" with "bright", and "deny" with "hide". That song isn't good bad, and I'd say it's evil. Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:46:55 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: worst rhymes "Little green apples" and "Indianapolis" is tough to top, or rather bottom, for excruciating rhymes. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:11:55 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew jones Subject: Re: shortest track Mark "clevesoulie": That 0:00 track on "There's A Riot Going On" was the title, ahem, track. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:40:03 GMT From: Mark Subject: Re: Casey Kasem and Folk Rock on PBS Kevin--Not sure if you've heard this story, but Casey is no longer the voice of Shaggy. It seems that Shaggy's junk-food habit goes against Casey's real-life vegan diet, and he's concerned that Shaggy's ways send a bad message to kids, so he quit the part because of that. Billy West (formerly of the Howard Stern Show, and one of the voices on Ren & Stimpy and also the voice of Bugs Bunny in "Space Jam") is the new Shaggy voice. S.J.--According to an article some time ago in Disc-Coveries, both Steve Boone and Joe Butler are still members of the Spoonful. I don't remember any info about the other three people currently serving in the group, but they did release a live CD a while back on Varese Vintage. Best, Mark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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