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Spectropop - Digest Number 1167

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The End of Albums
           From: Tom Taber 
      2. Re: The End of Albums
           From: Tom Taber 
      3. Re: The End of Albums
           From: Paul Bryant 
      4. Chong in the can
           From: Phil Milstein 
      5. Re: Question for Artie Wayne
           From: Artie Wayne 
      6. Re: Run For Your Life
           From: Rat Pfink 
      7. Re: The End of Albums
           From: Bill Brown 
      8. Re: Best lines / Raindrops / Rupert's People
           From: Bob Rashkow 
      9. Re: Viva
           From: Art Longmire 
     10. Re: favorite lines / Viva Burr / Telstar
           From: Phil Milstein 
     11. Re: Jim Doval and The Gauchos
           From: Steve Bonilla 
     12. Re: Jim Doval & The Gauchos
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     13. Re: Fetish Factors
           From: Phil Milstein 
     14. Re: Teddy Randazzo & The Duprees
           From: Philip Hall 
     15. "Innate" Timing
           From: Rex Strother 
     16. Re: Gay Songs
           From: Jeffery Kennedy 
     17. Re: Tom Wilson / Steve Tudanger / "That Boy John" / Roberta Day
           From: Stuffed Animal 
     18. COOL YULE Saturday 20th December BRIGHTON
           From: Chris King 
     19. Re: Coke ads @ Musica
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     20. Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
           From: Art Longmire 
     21. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Artie Wayne 
     22. Re: A Christmas Gift to You: A Tribute to Phil Spector
           From: Bill Reed 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:58:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: The End of Albums Tom: > Not having a calculator with me - I believe that a > 60-70 minutes CD is a much cheaper source of music > than the 30 minute $3.98 stereo LP was in 1967.... Scott replied: > I'd argue that many 60-70 minute CDs have little > more than 30 minutes of listenable material on them. And 30 minute LPs often had less than five! But if you buy a compilation now with 30 songs from a particular genre, you are way ahead these days - not to mention a "perfect" copy can be made for 30 cents or less, where a crummy cassette copy was $1.00 or more thirty years ago. Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:12:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: The End of Albums Phil Milstein wrote: > I too share a romance for the fetish factors, so I'm > not putting them down, but if the discussion is about the > future of the record industry........ "Fetish Factors" - what a great name for a group! Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 03:00:18 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: The End of Albums Richard wrote: > In Billboard on December 24 1949 there was a fascinating > article under the headline "Sinatra’s Pioneering Thoughts > on LP Pop Tune Production. It talks of Frank being the first > noted pop artist to voice his theories on the fact "that LP > calls for new orientation and pioneering. (It) calls for an > entirely new approach to recording – from the artists point of > view." He said that people were still thinking of LPs as they > thought of 78-rpm albums. "Artists and a and r men will have to > pioneer in the use of script material in conjunction with > music, the representation of musical sketches, commentary, > narrative and mood music. 20 minutes of 'time' on each side > will call for much more of a production package." Wow! Well, this didn't happen at all - sketches, commentary, narrative added to songs... I hope Frank was pleased that his concept finally bore fruit with "Ogden's Nut Gone Flake", although it's possible he missed that one. Mark Wirtz wrote: > ....don'tyou think that, ultimately, the "length and duration" of > any piece of entertainment should be determined by how long it > captivates the audience's interest, rather than by "standard" > and contrived measures?? Entirely take your point about good long books and bad short books. But the analogy may be false as reading is not a real-time experience. You pick up and put down a book when you want to. Better to compare an album with a movie, also a real-time experience. What's the average length of a movie? I bet there is one. But occasionally, a great work will break these "artificial" boundaries. > Don't have to eat it all, or all at once, do I? There's always later. Using the album like a book, picking it up where you left off last night - how many people will really do this? An album if it's not just a bunch of tracks will create a whole continuous listening experience. But I don't wanna get too pompous here! pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:26:03 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Chong in the can Bobby Taylor & The Vancouvers fans will want to take a look at Steven Mikulan's article, in the current issue of the L.A. Weekly, on Tommy Chong's legal travails. Not to get too political in this apolitical forum, but: Chong's case presents a chilling view of the agenda of John Ashcroft's America. "Chong Family Values" is at Gang a bong, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:16:14 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Question for Artie Wayne Glenn.......How ya' doin'? Yes, I'm the co-writer of "I Wanna Slow Dance Again". The Grass Roots did a great job on it!! When I wrote the first verse and chorus, I was so excited I cornered my friend Richard Perry in an elevator and sang it to him accapella. He loved it and asked me to finish it up with Artie Garfunkel in mind. I ran home and got my friends Norma Helms and Kenny Hirsch to help me finish it up. Artie never cut it......but fortunately the Grass Roots did. I haven't heard it in years.......could you play it to musica? Thanks and regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:59:40 -0500 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: Run For Your Life Rob Stride wrote: > Chuck Berry was going to sue but Lennon agreed to do a couple of > Berry tracks on his Rock N Roll album, or so the story goes. Actually the lawsuit was threatened by Morris Levy; Chuck Berry didn't own the publishing rights. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Brown Subject: Re: The End of Albums > .....I do feel that equally as important, if not more so, was the > removal from the market of the 45. > Darn do I miss 45s ... I was showing some to my 13 year old and > he thought they were mutated CDs ... time flies. There are still retail stores that carry new 45's. Circle CD's in Cincinnati and it's second shop in Newport, KY are some of them. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:32:19 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Best lines / Raindrops / Rupert's People There are so many great lyrics out there. Among my runners-up would have to be our much recently discussed "In The Year 2525" by Zager & Evans, particularly the last verse, "Now it's been 10,000 years, etc." A bunch of us absolutely loved that song back in 7th grade and if somebody had a transistor (a WHAT??!!) he'd turn it up full blast and we'd all sing it, basso profundo, trying to sound as serious as we possibly could! (Actually this carried over into day camp, as it was out in the late spring/early summer.) And I was recoiling from not liking "Get Back" by the Beatles too much, always felt it was like an anticlimax after "Hey Jude" which had just plainly blown my mind. Also: Simon & Garfunkel's "Poem on the Underground Wall" which freaked me out a lot more than "Silent Night/7:00 News" did. "...gets suckled by the night." I think my own award goes to either Dylan ("You'd know what a drag it is to see you....") or Jagger ("Catch your dreams before they slip away./Dying all the time/Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind, in life unkind.") Many anti-war lyrics including Earth Opera, Tim Buckley, Buffy Sainte-Marie, etc. were the height of brilliance....Janis Ian's "Society's Child" (she's coming to Old Town School in April and I can't wait!) and I could go on all day but I'll spare you. Agreed about "That Boy John", which I recently purchased for about 50 cents at a thrift store, with the original "Hanky Panky" on the flip. Tommy James wouldn't have recognized it, although he apparently heard it in order to transform it into a Number 1 hit! I have The Magic World of Rupert's People in all its tremendous glory. Included is a 45 that contains the original version of "Charles Brown", which on its own merits IMHO is a fantastic recording. Steve Brendell.....what a cool guy! Shoo-be-doop-bop-day-wah, (from Don & Juan's "What's Your Name?'" and I HOPE I'm right!) Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:09:20 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: Viva Thanks for the info on Viva, I too am interested in this label... would the Sound Sandwich 45 you mention be titled "Apothecary's Dream"? I have this one and it's quite good, definitely a psychedelic nugget. I know nothing about the group, however. Until I saw your post I was unaware that Viva had such a large catalogue of releases. Art -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:35:03 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: favorite lines / Viva Burr / Telstar Favorite song lyric, from The Ramones' Teenage Lobotomy: Guess that I'll just have to tell 'em That I got no cerebellum The most ingenious evocation of stupidity I've ever heard of! Dan Hughes wrote: > A couple of other Viva album releases--Themes Like Old Times and Themes > Like Old Times II. Both had 50 or 75 opening themes of old-time radio > shows. And when you listened to them all at once, many of them sounded > very much alike: "Tom COR-bett, SPACE ca-DET!" "Nick CAR-ter, MAS-ter > de-TEC-tive!" "Yours TRU-ly, Johnny DOL-lar!" et al. Which reminds me of my theory that the theme music to Ironsides was, as if bringing updating Raymond Burr, a sped-up version of the theme to Perry Mason. Stewart Mason writes: > I believe that's courtesy of our friends at the BBC Radiophonic > Workshop. Joe Meek used the exact same opening on Glenda Collins' > "It's Hard To Believe It" in 1964. Perhaps Meek believed Telstar had picked up a few wandering ETs before returning to Earth. Gabba gabba, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:22:47 -0800 From: Steve Bonilla Subject: Re: Jim Doval and The Gauchos Andres: > Jim Doval and The Gauchos also had two Beatles related records in > 1964, BEATTLE RULE (instrumental) and STRANDED IN THE POOL on > Diplomacy X-6 label. I grew up in Sacramento in the 60's and was too young to ever go to their shows but I remember them as being very popular. As I recall, they played the better niteclubs and bowling alley lounges around town. Steve B -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:43:39 -0000 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Re: Jim Doval & The Gauchos Matt wrote: > I recently watched an old episode of Shindig which featured this > group...they flat-out ROCKED and I was amused by their Raider-like > ponytails...hmm, which (or rather who) came first, I wonder? Anyone > know anything about them? I didn't know anything about them but this query rather appealed to me and I did some research and turned up some interesting stuff. Jim Doval & the Gauchos (from Fresno, California) released an album and at least seven singles. Their album (ABC 1965) was a supposedly recorded live at a nightclub and was chock-full of what we now call "frat rock" standards ("Money", "Little Latin Lupe Lu" etc), the Premiers "Farmer John" LP comes to mind as a similar package. Their 45's include a cover of "Bony Maronie" and a Beatle-novelty ("Beattle Rule"). It seems that Gauchos shows were often frequented by Vito Paulekas and his band of "Freaks", presumably honing the craft that would see them become fixtures at Byrds gigs at Ciro's a year or so later. I love these kind of bands (like their ABC labelmates, the Spats) has anyone got some Gauchos goodies for Musica? Guy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:59:55 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Fetish Factors Tom Taber wrote: > "Fetish Factors" - what a great name for a group! Or a reality TV show ... Diddy wah, --Ph.M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:55:07 -0800 (PST) From: Philip Hall Subject: Re: Teddy Randazzo & The Duprees I'll throw "Around The Corner" by Teddy Randazzo up on musica when I get home tonight. Phil Hall Clay, NY -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:57:53 -0700 From: Rex Strother Subject: "Innate" Timing Phil Milstein: > On the other hand, I'm inclined to view the three-minute length of > a pop song (and of course these times are very approximate) as more > of a natural thing. While the cylinder and early record technologies > apparently capped side lengths at three minutes, I wonder what the > average length of songs was prior to the advent of recording > technology. My guess is that it wasn't very different. In fact, I > wonder if Edison, Berliner and the other early inventors of sound > recording didn't start out AIMING to get three minutes onto a side > because that was roughly the standard, rather than three minutes just > happened to be the most they could fit on there at the time. The > point I'm trying to get to is that somehow three minutes seems to > satisfy an innate human standard for a singular piece of music-as- > entertainment; whereas album lengths are simply more arbitrary than > that. I think one would be hard-pressed to suggest an "innate human standard" for the ideal time span to enjoy a song. If so, I would expect geniuses along the lines of Mozart and Beethoven would have found it and stuck to it. At best, perhaps there is a modern / Western / popular / song (tune and lyric) formula which fits best into a 3-minute segment (i.e., so many choruses before we're bored to death). But I'm sure if we searched all history and all cultures - that many music length formats would be equally satisfying (just as there are many time signatures, melodic scales and harmonic tonalities which are popular in various cultures). I would suspect technology has dictated the length of our songs, our albums and our future attention spans. Rex -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:57:09 -0000 From: Jeffery Kennedy Subject: Re: Gay Songs How about these: "Town Without Pity" Gene Pitney "I Belong" Kathy Kirby "I Think We're Alone Now" Tommy James & the Shondells Just about everything written by Tony Romeo (the Partridge Family's "That's Be the Day," Austin Roberts' "Something's Wrong With Me") ...and the most explicit of the bunch, Nancy Sinatra's "I Love Them All (the Boys in the Band)" Jeffery -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:23:55 +0000 From: Stuffed Animal Subject: Re: Tom Wilson / Steve Tudanger / "That Boy John" / Roberta Day > Wilson died in 1978, of a heart attack. The Advocate obit must > have been about someone else with the same name. My mistake. But was this Tom Wilson the same one who worked with Connie Francis in 1967, producing her LIVE AT THE SAHARA IN LAS VEGAS and single sides like "A Letter From A Soldier?" > Who was this guy (Steve Tudanger)? Wasn't he involved with > Definitive Rock Chorale and Other Voices? If so,this guy made > some great music. The DRC was really good, especially their > singles on Bell (of course). Anybody know all of his groups/ > recordings they can post a listing of? From what I've found I > don't see any bad records. I know that Steve Tudanger was a good friend of Ellie Greenwich, and Jeff Barry knew him, too. He recorded for Jeff's Steed label as a member of Playhouse. I highly recommend the two Playhouse singles, "Just We Two" b/w "C'mon And Ride" and "You Don't Know It" b/w "Love Is On Our Side." Tudanger was also, of course, co- producer and background vocalist on Miss Ellie's LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE SUNG album. > "That Boy John" is really and truly one of the great girl-group/ > R&B/jazz fusion songs ever recorded. Anyone agree?>> It's definitely one of the greats, but I don't really hear it as a jazz fusion record. Care to elaborate on your description? On yet another subject, didn't someone recently post session information about Roberta Day's wonderful United Artists single "Someday?" Please refresh my memory. Who produced that record? Who arranged? Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:16:23 -0000 From: Chris King Subject: COOL YULE Saturday 20th December BRIGHTON Dear Brit-based Spectropoppers - Saturday 20th December (the Saturday before Xmas!) sees Da Doo Ron Ron celebrate our 5th (!) Xmas shindig, with MEGA special guests, Emma Wilkinson, the series winner of Stars In Their Eyes 2001 and happenin' mod jazz instrumental combo The Gene Drayton Unit (think Booker T meets Blue Note). Emma won a landslide victory in the 2001 SITE grand final performing 'Son Of A Preacher Man' as Dusty Springfield & will perform a selection of 60s pop and soul classics. The GDU will also perform a solo set. You can purchase tickets in advance online here now. Tickets are also currently available in person from the Sussex Arts Club. Alternatively, you can simply reserve places in the normal way & pay £8 on the door on the night. E-mail the names of all those wishing to attend to:- Many thanks indeed for your indulgence, Chris Da Doo Check the DDRR web-site for more info:- Da Doo Ron Ron - 60s girly sounds a-go-go! Saturday 20th December - Xmas shindig @the Sussex Arts Club, 07 , Ship Street, Brighton, East Sussex, BN1. Tel:-01273-778020 The Sussex Arts Club is located in Ship Street, just off the seafront, between the Brighton Pier & the Brighton Centre. 8pm - 2am EXTRA Special guests - Top mod instrumental combo The Gene Drayton Unit featuring guest vocalist Emma Wilkinson, Stars In Their Eyes series winner 2001 as Dusty Springfield. £8 tickets are available online or in person from the Sussex Arts Club Tel:-01273-727371 / 7780202 Click here for the Sussex Arts Club website Reservations (£8) are also available in advance -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:34:52 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: Coke ads @ Musica Country Paul on Coke ads: > Any more in your stash you want to share? I'll be happy to share them all with anyone who wants them. I'd just like to keep a list and do it once. So anyone who wants same, please contact me off line and put something in there about how great they are so I can forward it to Coke---kind of like a petition. I'll send it to anyone who asks via e-mail attachment next week. Fair? I also have some Jean Nate' stuff that is even better...I mean it. Ellie vocals and Ron Dante vocals. The company/agency turned them down. I'll have to send the acetate to Mr. P. Chapman to clean it up first. I've got to go to sleep. Seriously, I thank everyone for their nice comments on the Coke jingles. It's kind of interesting that they hold up 34 year later. Amazing actually. Di la, Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:20:52 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss) Speaking of masochism, I was doing some research on singer Clydie King and came across this label scan: I've never heard this but it sure is a provocative title! Art -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett James.......How ya' doin'? Have you been able to get Snuff's address or phone# for me? My friend Ed Silvers, former president of Warner Bros. music, would like to reconnect with him. Thanks, Artie -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:01:37 -0000 From: Bill Reed Subject: Re: A Christmas Gift to You: A Tribute to Phil Spector David A. Young wrote: > Hi, gang, require the catalogue number, please, and if anyone > can provide me with a label scan and/or a lead about where I > can find a copy for myself, I'd greatly appreciate it. Please > contact me privately if you can help. There are suds of copies for sale on E-Bay. There are at least three different verisons. Curious. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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