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Spectropop - Digest Number 1162

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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Rupert's People
           From: Stephane Rebeschini 
      2. Re: Zager and Evans - One Hit Wonders? The Saga!
           From: Stephane Rebeschini 
      3. Re: Snuff Garrett
           From: Bob 
      4. Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
           From: Steve Harvey 
      5. Folk Rock on PBS
           From: A. Zweig 
      6. Re: Mellotrons
           From: Richard Hattersley 
      7. Re: Seasons In The Sun
           From: Andrew Jones 
      8. Re: Brit Girls
           From: Ken Mortimer 
      9. Re: Johnny I Love You
           From: Steve Harvey 
     10. Re: la di da
           From: Art Longmire 
     11. Re: La Dee Dah
           From: David A. Young 
     12. Out Of His Head at FOPP
           From: Richard Hattersley 
     13. Re: Seasons In The Sun
           From: Steve Grant 
     14. "Doo-Wop Music" by California
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     15. Re: Best line in a song
           From: Steve Harvey 
     16. re: Jeff Barry / Frankie Miller
           From: Roger Kaye 
     17. Rashkow's liver
           From: Phil Milstein 
     18. Re: Sam Cooke
           From: Christian Gordon 
     19. Re: The End of Albums
           From: Will Stos 
     20. Put The Clock Back On The Wall
           From: Jeff Lemlich 
     21. Re: It's the rill thing
           From: Clark Besch 
     22. More Coke Ads @ Musica / Steve Tudanger
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     23. Re: La Dee Dah
           From: Hugo M. 
     24. Re: La Dee Dah / He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     25. Re: Telstar / Synths / Friscopedro
           From: Albabe Gordon 

Message: 1 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:44:21 +0100 From: Stephane Rebeschini Subject: Re: Rupert's People David Walker a écrit: > Re Rupert's People: "Reflections of Charles Brown" is a wonderful > record. Does anyone know who the lead singer was? Can anyone > confirm or explode my belief that the backing band were Fleur de > Lys, possibly with Bryn Haworth on lead guitar?..... There's a good entry about them at "A Tapestry Of Delights" (the UK counterpart of "Fuzz, Acid & Flowers") there: The links with the Fleur De Lys are well detailed. Stephane -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:55:50 +0100 From: Stephane Rebeschini Subject: Re: Zager and Evans - One Hit Wonders? The Saga! Clark Besch: > ...As mentioned, Michael Zager was not a member of Zager & Evans. > Denny Zager was in the duo. Hi, Sorry about my mistake, I was the first to link (Dennis) Zager & Evans with Michael Zager... In fact, Michael Zager of "Let's All Chant" was previously the leader & keyboard player of Ten Wheel Drive, the group with Genya Ravan, recently discussed here. Stephane -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:28:58 -0000 From: Bob Subject: Re: Snuff Garrett Artie Wayne: > Does anyone know what Snuff Garrett [who produced Bobby Vee, Gary > Lewis and the playboys] is up to these days? James Holvay: > Artie: One of the young men that work in our office (San Fernando, > CA) is his nephew! Snuff, is retired and living in Phoenix. He's > had some health problems over the years. He's a collector of > Western memrobilia. I'll see if he has an email address or > something, I can foward on to you. James, Snuff hasn't been in Phoenix for quite some time. He had a stroke several years ago when he was still in LA but has completely recovered. As I mentioned in a previous post, he lives in Sonoita, New Mexico. As I've been involved in writing liner notes over the last 13 years for several Bobby Vee releases, I've found it quite informative to talk to Snuffy. He is quite a character indeed! Bob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss) Previously: > How about the Beatles' "Run For Your Life?" Actually you can't use the Beatles line "I'd rather see you dead little girl than to be with another man" because it was swiped from one of Elvis' Sun sides, "Baby Let's Play House", I think (!?) How come nobody sued them over using that line, but got Lennon for the "here comes old flattop"? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:36:59 -0500 From: A. Zweig Subject: Folk Rock on PBS David Coyle: > I was nearly impressed by the "Rock At Fifty" special, considering > it was the first special of its kind I'd ever seen that had some > British Invasion content... I missed that show but because of the discussion here, I ended up watching the "Folk rock" special. Mostly it made me feel weird. Since I'm older and grayer and fatter than I was back when I first heard these songs, I can't criticize their appearance. But in some cases, there was something unsatisfying and even unseemly about their performances. Not all of them. But I thought the Lovin Spoonful performance, for instance, was a big sham. I don't really know how many of the original members were there. That might have been Jerry Yester singing "Daydream". But it was a joke when the original bass player - or was it the drummer - sang "Do you believe in magic" and in order to extend the illusion, played an autoharp. The crowd loved it. But to me it just sounded like a not particularly good cover band. I can't begrudge former members of this or that band, trying to make a living playing songs from forty years ago, even if they weren't the singer (or even if they really can't sing at all). But there's something about seeing them on a PBS special rather than at a local Holiday Inn lounge, that makes it somehow sadder for me. If they want to make a living and John Sebastian won't cooperate, then they should still be able to. But it wasn't very satisfying to watch it. I also was a bit creeped out by Spanky and Our Gang. Spanky was there. And there were a couple of older gentlemen who may well have been in the original band. And bolstered by some new backup singers, they did a fair job of reproducing a couple of hits. But they were a very interesting band once upon a time, capable of surprising little flourishes and arrangements. And now they were just human jukeboxes. Obviously I think musicians should be able to perform as long as they can. But sometimes there's something sad about it. AZ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:59:41 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Re: Mellotrons > I would love to find an electronic keyboard such as Casio and > Yamaha makes that has a setting for "Mellotron." I know the > original ones were difficult to master and awkward to play, but > they made such a great sound. A few years back I saw an add in a music mag selling Cd's with samples of the original mellotron tapes used in the machines. Thus enabling you to load the sounds into a sampler and play them at will. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:03:10 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Jones Subject: Re: Seasons In The Sun Bill George: Rod McKuen's album "Seasons In the Sun" (on Warner Bros.) had TWO versions by McKuen, one a studio version with a band, one a live acoustic version. The album is, indeed, full of McKuen translations of Brel - and even a Brel translation of McKuen! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:10:35 -0000 From: Ken Mortimer Subject: Re: Brit Girls Mike Dino: > Hi Gang: At long last a group that I can really sink my teeth > into! Love the Girl Group scene and British Pop including all > those wonderful Brit Girls! Hi Mike, What about Madeline Bell, Clodagh Rodgers, Barry St. John, Clare Torry, Vicki Brown, Sue and Sunny, Lesley Duncan, Sylvia McNeill - the list goes on forever. Check out the new website for Jackie Lee. This is really good... Ken -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:59:59 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Johnny I Love You Simon White wrote: > Booker T. and The M. G.'s "Johnny I Love You". It's quite > simply a love song to a man sung by a man. I have no idea who's > singing on it..." Julio Niño: > The voice in "Johnny I Love You" is Booker T Jones. I know that tune since it's the only vocal that I ever heard Booker T do. I took it to be admiration, not homosexual longing, for the other man. A plea to an ally in the time of need, "we've got to clean up this town". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:13:46 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: la di da John wrote: > OK, what was the song that went la di da, oh boy, let's go, > cha cha cha? (This is not a test...for some reason, this song > popped into my mind with this thread) Stuart Miller: > "Lucky Lady Bug" by Crewe/Slay. Sung by the 4 Seasons. Maybe. I thought it was a song by Art and Dottie Todd - whose title I cannot for the life of me remember. Oh, well - I'm probably wrong anyway. Art -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:06:02 -0000 From: David A. Young Subject: Re: La Dee Dah John wrote: > OK, what was the song that went la di da, oh boy, let's go, > cha cha cha? (This is not a test...for some reason, this song > popped into my mind with this thread) which Stuart replied: > "Lucky Lady Bug" by Crewe/Slay. Sung by the 4 Seasons. Maybe. Stuart, the composer credits you list appear on the record I was going to cite in answer to John's query, and maybe Frankie and the boys recorded the song under that title, but the version I have is called "La Dee Dah" and is credited (on Swan 4002) to Billy & Lillie, who do in fact sound a bit like ye olde Seasons if you squint. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:14:58 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Out Of His Head at FOPP Just a note for British members. I just picked up a copy of the Phil Spector bio "Out Of His Head" at FOPP for £5 in paperback. It's a new updated edition complete with a sad pic of Phil being arrested. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:37:44 -0500 From: Steve Grant Subject: Re: Seasons In The Sun Previously: > Terry Jacks probably did write the last verse of his version - > in the Brel/McKuen original, that last verse is about a cheating > wife, and would NOT have fit Terry's recording. Of course, the original is by Brel alone, and is in French. Did McKuen record his own version with his English lyrics? I've only ever heard Brel's version and Terry Jack's. Musically, they are QUITE different. The Kingston Trio also did a nice version of "SITS", complete with reference to faithless wife. In fact, theirs was the only version I knew until Terry Jacks arrived on the scene. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:01:30 -0000 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: "Doo-Wop Music" by California Les Fradkin wrote: > I've just joined the group at the urging of my good friend > Mark Wirtz. My music is clearly influenced by many icons of > this group including Spector, Beach Boys and Curt Boettcher. Greetings to the Fearless Fradkin! Les, what can you tell us about your 1977 recording, "Doo-Wop Music" by California (Laurie 3651)? Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Best line in a song Always loved Billy Lee Riley's line "cat jumped out and started a band" and the Stones' "sunshine bores the daylights outta me". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:00:55 -0500 From: Roger Kaye Subject: re: Jeff Barry / Frankie Miller Eddy: > I just bought the Frankie Miller CD "Dancing in the rain". > It has 6 out of 10 songs co-written by Jeff Barry. Unfortunately > it does not include any details on the musicians. Maybe the > original (vinyl) release has some more info. Anybody got the > scoop on this? Eddy, Hard to believe this is on CD. Is it a reissue or the original 1986 pressing? Worth picking up for the often covered "I'd Lie To You For Your Love", which Frankie even put out a video for that got a few (very few) spins on Empty-Vee back in the day. Anyway, I pulled my copy of the lp and credited as "the band": Frankie Miller - guitar & Vocals Chrissie Robinson - bass Simon Kirke - drums Brian Robertson - guitar with additional musicians Guitar: Mitch Watkins, Mitch Perry, Hiram Bullock, Tim Renwick, Ricky Byrd & Chris Spedding Keyboards: Peter Wood, Robbie Kilgore Percussion: Jimmy Maelen, Jimmy Bralower Horns: Wayne Jackson, Bob Funk, Lou Cortelezzi Background vocals: Bonnie Bramlett, Eric Troyer, Elaine Caswell, Chrissy Faith, Frankie Miller No info on who plays on which track. RK -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:06:12 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Rashkow's liver A glance at the label of the Jean Shepherd LP "Declassified" (Mercury, 1971) reveals an interesting aside, of the sort not usually encountered on labels: "Sound produced, edited, assembled and mixed by Mike Rashkow (P.S. I also make very good chopped liver)" Care to share your recipe, Mr. R.? --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:26:54 -0500 From: Christian Gordon Subject: Re: Sam Cooke David Coyle: > Sam Cooke may have asked for clear enunciation from his artists > on SAR Records, but you'll notice beyond that that so many of the > singers for the label sound just like Sam! Particularly Bobby > Womack and Mel Carter, whose version of "When A Boy Is In Love" > is almost indistinguishable from Sam's version. Of course it's a > testimony to just how clear a voice Sam had... Of course, everything is subject to opinion. That said, I have yet to hear a voice that can match that of Sam Cooke's. To your point, his enunciation served to enhance his vocal - it helped to set him apart because he wasn't just a singer - he was a story teller. Christian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:28:09 -0000 From: Will Stos Subject: Re: The End of Albums I don't think the biggest problem is the price of an album. I routinely spend up to $30 or even more (Canadian mind you) for good import comps). The big problem for so many people my age (early 20s) is that with the death of the single, album-makers have got the idea that if they put 2 or 3 good tracks in with 8 or 10 filler tracks, the music consumer won't notice, or (before downloading) couldn't do anything but by the whole CD. Why buy a cd when you know most of the songs (on pop and r&b albums anyway) are going to be bad. Why not just select the ones you like. Of course, it's different if an artist takes the time to construct a good album where the majority of tracks are worth listening to more than once. I honestly think downloaders are thumbing their nose at the record industry for giving us low quality, derivitive pap. After downloading some tracks from an album, if I like enough of them, I'll go an by the album. In Canada they're trying to relaunch the single, and if I've heard it and I like, I'll buy it. But I just don't take a chance on an album anymore. The person on the list who described the excitement of bringing home a cd or album and taking off the wrap has it right. It can be fun. It still is when I get a new girl group or northern soul collection, most of the time. But it can also be a huge disappointment. And if it feels like your ripping up $20 more than a couple of times, you wise up. I feel no guilt when I download songs from artists I would never hear on radio or if their not available here yet. If I like them, I'll support the artist by buying the cd. If I don't I don't listen to them again. It's called testing the merchandise. Or, maybe it's like a music public library. Why buy the book right away when you can find out if you like it first. I doubt the album, like the single, will ever really die. It'll come back in some other form. The trend of making mix tapes or cds is a new way of consumer-made albums. After all, the customer is always right. Will -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:12:14 -0500 From: Jeff Lemlich Subject: Put The Clock Back On The Wall For That Alan Gordon: There is a version of "Hey, Put The Clock Back On The Wall" that I don't think has been discussed... by C.C. & The Chasers. It's on Cori Records, and oddly credits just Bonner as the writer of the song (same deal with the flip, "Two And Twenty", which credits just Bonner). I was just wondering if you recalled anything about C.C. & The Chasers, or the recording of this particular version. Thanks, Jeff Lemlich -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 06:14:54 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: It's the rill thing Phil Milstein wrote: > Love Mike & Ellie's Coke jingles. Had the company ever used > ads as good as those, I might've started drinking their product. Phil, YOU are SO RIGHT! Great stuff! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 22:53:03 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: More Coke Ads @ Musica / Steve Tudanger Me: > Two of the Coke ads - "Come Take My Hand" with lead vocal by Ellie > Greenwich and "Do You Remember" - have been posted to musica for > all to hear: Mark Frumento: > More please! These are great tracks! Thanks--I love 'em. Phil Milstein: > Love Mike & Ellie's Coke jingles. Had the company ever used ads as > good as those, I might've started drinking their product. Clark Besch: > Phil, YOU are SO RIGHT! Great stuff! I'll drink to that. David A. Young: > A hearty second from me; I enjoyed 'em a lot. And while we're on > the subject of musica requests, I for one would love to hear the > unreleased Delicates cuts Mick mentioned a coupla days ago. Please. OK, have two more Cokes on me: "How Much Nicer It Would Be Together" (lead vocal by Ellie Greenwich) and "Dusty Roads" (me on lead). Best served chilled: I had little or nothing to do with "How Much Nicer It Would Be Together" -- I think it was all Steve Tudanger and Ellie, though all of us might be credited. The latin kind of up-tempo El Watusi thing is certainly Stevie. I never heard Ellie play that feel and I know that Steve played the piano when we did the demo. Steve Tudanger was a great talent who, for various reasons, never got to the top -- though I think he made a good living doing jingles and background. Not very healthy these days, he's had two strokes and doesn't even have a keyboard anymore. Ellie and I once produced him and sold the master to Mercury - "Everybody's Talkin' 'Bout You Now". It bombed immediately. We bought it back and sold it to Chelsea. Bombed there too. Doo bee doo bee doo, Michael Rashkow PS For those of you who wish I would go back to RV'ing and get off the horn, I will be working for the next couple of weeks and will probably only respond to serious provocation. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:51:02 -0000 From: Hugo M. Subject: Re: La Dee Dah John wrote: > OK, what was the song that went la di da, oh boy, let's go, > cha cha cha? (This is not a test...for some reason, this song > popped into my mind with this thread) That's "La Dee Dah" by Billy & Lillie, Swan 4002. 1957? In 1963, Swan put out Marcy Jo & Eddie Rambeau doing a 'medley of oldies' 45 in the style of Little Caesar And The Romans, titles and catch phrases from late fifties tunes that people were likely to remember, and they had the chutzpah to include "La Dee Dah" in it, somewhere between "In The Still Of The Night" and "Good Golly Miss Molly". I wonder if that sparked a big ol' Billy & Lillie revival. Hey-nonny-nonny, Hugo M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:25:31 EST From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: La Dee Dah / He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss) Actually, Stuart Miller, "Lucky Ladybug" was Billy & Lillie's follow up to "La Dee Dah". which is the song in Jon Adelson's question. They're pretty much in the same vein, not among my favorite tunes of the late 5Ts. And I'm the one who can't remember the lyrics to the refrain there. Is it something like "Ladybug, silly, silly, lucky one, chirpy chirp"? Am I even close??!! Julio, here's two more examples of "I love it when you kill me" songs, "Take Me, Break Me" by the Underground Sunshine, who were from central Wisconsin and recorded briefly but brilliantly on Intrepid, and "He Likes It" by the McCoys, from the INFINITE MCCOYS LP. "He likes the feel of pain/He takes it like a game/Your mercy is in vain/Cause he likes the pain, he likes the pain......" Ouchhhhh! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:56:00 -0800 From: Albabe Gordon Subject: Re: Telstar / Synths / Friscopedro Sorry... still catching up here. Nick Archer wrote: > What instrument was used on "Telstar" by the Tornados? Was that > an early synth? James Botticelli wrote: > It's the thing Kai Winding used. Forget the name. Early synth > will do though! Clavoline? Maybe a Theramin? (One of the thangies that's been used on soundtracks for scary movies since the Precambrian?) Actually I think the sound in Telstar is just a funky organ that's been filtered or compressed. And this and none of the above qualify as a synth. And... a mellatron doesn't count either. It uses tapes of recordings, so technically it doesn't synthesize anything at all. To friscopedro: Change your name and get back to cleaning up the new digs, fella. peace, ~albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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