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Spectropop - Digest Number 1160



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               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!
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There are 26 messages in this issue.


Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: David Hemmings
           From: Art Longmire 
      2. Re: Speaking Of Paul Jones...
           From: Dan Hughes 
      3. Twin Hits Records - New York City
           From: Paul Urbahns 
      4. Pop N.Y for foreigners
           From: Jean-Emmanuel Dubois 
      5. It's the rill thing
           From: Phil Milstein 
      6. Re: Speaking Of Paul Jones...
           From: Phil Milstein 
      7. Paul Revere/Richard Thompson
           From: Country Paul 
      8. Re: Whiter shade of Charles Brown
           From: Dan Hughes 
      9. Re: Sound Of Silence / David Hemmings / Rupert's People
           From: Richard Havers 
     10. Re: Little Isidore's modern doo-wop
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     11. Johnny I Love You.
           From: Julio Niqo 
     12. Re: Hava Na Presley
           From: Glenn 
     13. 45s at EBay
           From: Hugo M. 
     14. Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
           From: astro4004 
     15. Delicates -- Comin' Down With Love -- The Plot Thickens
           From: John C 
     16. re: He Hit Me And It Felt Like A Kiss
           From: Hugo M. 
     17. bootleg royalties
           From: Kevin Melville 
     18. Re: Hannukah is My Time of Year
           From: Glenn 
     19. Re: Seasons in the Sun
           From: Bill George 
     20. Re: Zager and Evans - One Hit Wonders? The Saga!
           From: Clark besch 
     21. Being There to Musica - The Beatles on radio
           From: Clark Besch 
     22. Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)
           From: Bill Brown 
     23. Diamond Records
           From: Mark T 
     24. Re : The End of Albums
           From: Mark Wirtz 
     25. Re: Hey la, di la
           From: Hugo M 
     26. Lost Master Tapes
           From: Mark T 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:19:34 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: David Hemmings Richard Williams wrote: 2. Re David Hemmings RIP: Was it the album called David Hemmings Happens that some of the Byrds played on? There's a piece on her ex- husband by the actress Gayle Hunnicutt in this morning's (London) Sunday Times, illustrated with a picture of the young couple arriving at an airport some time in the late Sixties, GH with a copy of the album prominently tucked under her arm. The "David Hemmings Happens" LP does indeed feature Roger McGuinn and Chris Hillman, and is a classic sixties document in my opinion. I have two copies of the album and discussed it on Spectropop about six months ago. I love the LP, although Hemmings isn't what you'd call a great singer. This album is (unintentionally?) hilarious in spots and would make a great addition to an Austin Powers soundtrack, and the musical backing is a sometimes inspired mix of folk-rock and jazz. Art -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:10:33 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Speaking Of Paul Jones... Bill Craig writes: Speaking of Paul Jones, I have only had the opportunity to see the film "Privilege" once many years ago on a small black and white T.V. and to this day do not know if it was shot in color(or colour, being a Brit flick).Also does anyone know if it's available on VHS or DVD? Bill, Privilege was filmed in technicolor; no video. ---Dan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:46:53 EST From: Paul Urbahns Subject: Twin Hits Records - New York City I have ask before, but we always get new readers on this list. There was a sound-a-like label in new York City during the Mid 60s (about 1963-64) that issued sound-a-likes of the Top 100 songs. I used to have a single issued in August 1964 on this label. Called Twin Hits, I know their versions were also issued in Australia. Artists were made up names like Tim Reynolds. Does anyone have any information or records on this label? You can email me off line if you wish. Paul Urbahns -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:46:48 +0100 From: Jean-Emmanuel Dubois Subject: Pop N.Y for foreigners Dear Spectropoper Xavier my partner in euro-visions is going to New York do you have any cool adresses (records shops/art shops/Bookshop etc...) you can recommend + he is making a small documentary any people you recommend meeting there???? (record label, cult musicians etc...) in order to get contacts for euro-visions etc... JED ;-) Thanx for your help it will be greatly appreciated http://www.euro-visions.net On the espace Deluxe you will see that I've written for several prestigious mags and stuff and that I'm a enthusiast of the music supported by Spectropop -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:04:50 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: It's the rill thing Love Mike & Ellie's Coke jingles. Had the company ever used ads as good as those, I might've started drinking their product. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:26:21 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Speaking Of Paul Jones... Bill Craig wrote: Speaking of Paul Jones, I have only had the opportunity to see the film "Privilege" once many years ago on a small black and white T.V. and to this day do not know if it was shot in color(or colour, being a Brit flick).Also does anyone know if it's available on VHS or DVD? I don't believe it's ever been officially released in any home video format. Very watchable bootleg copies have been making the rounds in the past few years, however. I don't know what sort of legal (or other) issues have kept it more-or-less under lock and key for so long. It's a fascinating flick, both exciting (at least at times) and thematically ahead of its time. You couldn't convince me it wasn't a big influence on the early Bowie. And, had it received its proper audience, I can't imagine Paul Jones would've been held back from becoming a major star -- the guy had the pipes, the face and the charisma. All else one might need are the drive and the breaks. So, in sum, for anyone at all curious about Privilege I think it's worth trying to find a reputable bootleg dealer and dropping the bucks. Sha la la, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:06:40 -0500 From: Country Paul Subject: Paul Revere/Richard Thompson Steve Harvey, re: 4 Seasons GILG: It's interesting how we sometimes question a band's motives when they try to do something out of their familiar territory - ala the Byrds going country with "Sweetheart of the Rodeo". Legend has it that the Paul Revere & The Raiders LP, "Alias Pink Puzz," was distributed to several oh-so-hip California FM stations as a white-label promo without any info except the name "Pink Puzz" scrawled in magic marker. They went for the album completely - until the artist was revealed to be who they were. Airplay hit a wall and stopped cold. My two cents on Richard Thompson: an exception artist, with a wide and deep base of work in many genres. As Alan Zweig notes, "I like "Kites are fun" too but man does not live by kites alone". Enter Thompson's oeuvre anywhere; you won't be disappointed. (And of course his work with Fairport Convention is rightly exalted.) Another digest digested.... Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:41:58 -0600 From: Dan Hughes Subject: Re: Whiter shade of Charles Brown Previously: That's a fantastic song! By the way, do you happen to know who stole it, Rupert's People from Procol Harum or Procol Harum from Rupert's People? Info here: http://freespace.virgin.net/alpha.moonbase/garden.records/rupertsp eople.html -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:01:13 +0000 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Sound Of Silence / David Hemmings / Rupert's People Richard Williams wrote: 3. Re Rupert's People: "Reflections of Charles Brown" is a wonderful record. Does anyone know who the lead singer was? Can anyone confirm or explode my belief that the backing band were Fleur de Lys, possibly with Bryn Haworth on lead guitar? The first lead singer with Rupert's People was Chris Andrews no relation to the singer/writer of the same name) who had for a while been with the Fleur de Lys. R's P also numbered Adrian Gurvitz in their ranks, who at that time was calling himself Adrian Curtis. He had formed a group Adrian's Wall with Louie Farrell (born John Farrell) in Dagenham. Adrian was hanging around The Gioconda coffee bar in London's Denmark Street when in walked musician, Tony Dangerfield, who had once been groomed for stardom by producer Joe Meek, Dangerfield asked if anyone played guitar. Within minutes Adrian was bundled into a van and driven off to Newcastle to play for Screaming Lord Sutch's Savages, he stayed with them for 9 months. While on tour with Sutch he met Billie Davis, switching to her group for a few months, before moving on to play with Crispian St. Peters. Then he joined Rupert's People with Tony Dangerfield. One story has the band that recorded 'Reflections' as being the Fleur De Lys with the addition of Pete Solly on organ. Reflections was written by Rod Lynton who was friendly with the Fleurs. I for one am not certain that it was the Fleurs on the track, if it was it could have been Bryn Howarth on guitar. The other story says that none of the Fleurs liked the song and so that is why Rupert's people came into existence when Chris Andrews left the Fleurs and formed the band specifically to record 'Reflections'. A second Rod Lynton led Rupert's People included John Tout who would later join Renaissance. Personally the Chris Andrews/Adrian Curtis story feels better......but who knows? By mid 67 The Knack, Adrian's brother Paul's band, had changed their name to Electro Gun. Between two failed singles on Pye they released 4 unsuccessful singles on Piccadilly; these included covers of The Lovin Spoonfuls Did you Ever Have To make Up Your Mind and Younger Girl. Adrian joined brother Paul and the group on stage at the London club Blaises and joined the outfit a few days later. Parrish immediately left, leaving Paul, Adrian and Louie Farrell, who had replaced Topper Clay, and Tim Mycroft. They dropped Electro and continued as Gun, Mycroft left after six months, and the trio became much heavier. Jazz club owner Ronnie Scott heard them and asked the group to make a record. Adrian came up with 'Race with the Devil', which he virtually made up on the spot using one of his favourite guitar rifts. The single went to No.8 in the U.K. but the followup 'Drives You Mad' about a friend's mother who heard noises in her head, failed to chart; subsequent singles Hobo and Runnin' Wild suffered the same fate. Songwriter/producer and original Brotherhood of Man member John Goodison produced all the singles. Guns album cover was the first to be designed by Roger Dean. Gun split in late '70 when Adrian and Paul left to form Three Man Army with ex Spooky Tooth drummer Mike Kelly, and made an album on which drummer Buddy Miles was a guest. Adrian toured with Miles for 18 months before returning to Britain and Three Man Army in '72 with ex Sounds Incorporated man Tony Newman on drums, and again Paul, who in the interval had been working with Brian Parrish, as Parrish and Gurvitz, on bass. Three Man Army toured America with the Doobie Brothers and The Beach Boys before Newman left to join David Bowie and Adrian worked briefly with Carmine Appice. Then the Gurvitz brothers formed The BakerGurvitz Army with ex Cream and Blind Faith drummer Ginger Baker. At the same time Adrian was recording with Graham Edge of the Moody Blues, on his solo albums. After their manager was killed in a plane crash in '76 Adrian left to pursue a solo career. After meeting an old acquaintance, drummer Phil. Wainman, Gurvitz recorded 'Classic' in Wainman's Utopia studio; it went to No.6 in Britain. The followup 'Your Dream' peaked at No.61, two subsequent singles failed to chart. After a failed business venture in '84 Adrian moved to the Hollywood Hills in 88 and became a staff writer at Warner Brothers; he provided Eddie Money with a US No.1, 'The Love in Your Eye's. He also wrote for REO Speedwagon and Kenny Gee, as well as some music for the TV show General Hospital. Paul also moved to America producing and writing for Five Star, Jellybean, Stacey Lattisaw, Imagination and Kim Wilde. Too much information probably......but there you go! Does anyone know how to get a hold of Adrian Curtis, is he still in LA? Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 00:34:15 -0000 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: Little Isidore's modern doo-wop Country Paul: Re: modern doo-wop: How could I have forgotten to cite Little Isidore & The Inquisitors? They had a cracking little tune on The Grinch soundtrack called "A Christmas Of Love " find it and give it a listen, better than the usual Xmas dross. Ken On The West Coast -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:36:47 -0000 From: Julio Niqo Subject: Johnny I Love You. Simon White wrote: Number two is Booker T. and The M. G.'s "Johnny I Love You" It's quite simply a love song to a man sung by a man. I have no idea who's singing on it..." The voice in "Johnny I Love You" is Booker T Jones. Julio Niqo. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:15:46 -0000 From: Glenn Subject: Re: Hava Na Presley Glenn wrote: Carly Simon just released a Christmas album this year. Kenny G also has a Christmas album. And hey, even Elvis Presley, whose maternal great grandmother was Jewish, making him, by the laws of the Jewish religion, Jewish, had a Christmas album! Phil Milstein: There's no way you can convince me that fried banana & peanut-butter sandwiches are kosher! Ah, you're right there, but Elvis' mother wanted him to be a doctor, he loved matzo ball soup, and he had a nose job! Funny, there's actually a joke about that peanut butter and fried banana thing in a film called "Schmelvis", a light-hearted documentary about Elvis being Jewish based on the fact of his Jewish roots. But I was fascinated to find out this: "After his mother died Elvis personally sought to design his beloved mother's gravesite which included a Star of David on Gladys Love Presley's tombstone. The decision was made by him in honour of his Jewish heritage. Something his mother was proud of and acknowledged to Elvis at a very early age." There's a picture of the tombstone at this site: http://www.elvispresleynews.com/article1097.html Believe me, I'm not seriously intending to start a discussion here based on an argument that Elvis Presley was really Jewish! Although it is a fact that by Jewish law, the heritage/religion of the child is determined by the mother, and Elvis's maternal line traces back without interruption to a Jewish great-grandmother, the point is that Elvis did not practice the Jewish religion nor did he consider himself Jewish. But I was surprised to find out that he did acknowledge and honor this part of his heritage. Glenn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:13:46 -0000 From: Hugo M. Subject: 45s at EBay I know this isn't a forum for commercial activity, but I have a big batch (100+) of 45's at EBay that's almost guaranteed to warm a S'popper's heart, tons of obscure light-rock/flowerpop/soft garage material from '63-'72... Sandie Shaw, Shaggy Boys (Ellie Greenwich), Kit-Kats, most so obscure there's not much point in naming them here... (Mome Rath, anybody?) Closing dates are 12/9 to 12/15, many starting at a dollar; seller name is sing_along_with_mitch, that's sing_along_with_mitch. Na na na na, hey hey -- Hugo M. http://free.hostdepartment.com/P/PME -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 06:15:04 -0000 From: astro4004 Subject: Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss) Previously: I would put Hal David's lyric for "Johnny Get Angry" in that category. Be sure to include the Chantelles "Gonna Get Burned" from volume three in the Dream Babes series! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:08:45 -0500 From: John C Subject: Delicates -- Comin' Down With Love -- The Plot Thickens Hello All, Thanks to Mick for providing info on the two versions of "Comin' Down With Love". I believe the singer on the "Girls About Town" release is Alder Ray. This may very well be the Soultown single version, in keeping with Mick's observation that the Soultown version's label gives Alder Ray a featured credit. Yes, Mick, the lead singer on the Challenge single is different and sounds suspiciously like Oma Heard. According to Steve Propes wonderful book about LA vocal groups, Bobby Sanders had used the name Delicates for another group he had recorded called The Sweethearts, with Oma Heard singing lead (on Hi-III). Her groupmates were Carlotta Robertson, Joyce Chapel and Marie Love, who, as a trio were previously The Unforgettables on Colpix and (trumpets, please) The Chiffons on Big Deal [ you may all now start deleting the Big Deal single from all the Laurie Chiffons stories now]. So, all things considered (including my philosophy that everybody who sang on records in LA during the 50s and 60s was actually everybody else), the Challenge single may really be The Sweethearts. Sanders then (speculatively) could have rerecorded the song for release on his Soultown label in 1966. What do you think? Regards, John Clemente -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 03:39:44 -0000 From: Hugo M. Subject: re: He Hit Me And It Felt Like A Kiss "Johnny Get Angry", GOOD call, Phil! Been racking my brain, and the only other one I could think of was "Chains" by Carole through Little Eva, which didn't quite cut it. It's far from "innocent with accidental kinky overtones", but "I Got Mad" by John Lee Hooker (Vee Jay 379) has always sounded to me like a mean ol' sadist planning a pretty severe series of disciplinary actions; John Lee keeps up a running commentary about the evil things he's going to do to (you) along the lines of "I'd better run some tape around yo' mouth, think I'll dump you in a burlap sack..." (that's a paraphrase). Domestic violence isn't the same thing as consensual s/m, but Ike & Tina's "The Argument" (Sue 772) has Ike and Tina "quarreling" back and forth across the mike, and during the closing fade-out, Ike says something like "Best watch out, woman, think I gonna hit you upside your head. I might give you a black eye." This would be @ 62-63, I reckon... Mexican singer Javier Solis had a knack for picking out songs where romantic rhetoric took on a dominant/submissive flavor - the obvious one was "Esclavo Y Amo" (Master & Slave) but there were a couple others I can't think of right now, 02 or 3 others that were either on the Sombras LP or the one that was originally called "Rancheras" and is currently available as "15 Autenticos Exitos". Wish I could remember what they were. Maybe I'll think of some others, but that's the best I can come up with today... Gadji Beri... Hugo M. http://free.hostdepartment.com/P/PME -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:44:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Melville Subject: bootleg royalties Rex Strother wrote: I think one big condition leading to bootlegging is that unlike the "statutory" rate set by Congress for songwriter royalties, there is no similar set rate for master use licensing. Labels (or conglomerates who have swallowed up dozens - nay hundreds - of labels) can set any price they want to use a master recording. Those releasing little forgotten (but loved) artists, who might sell only 1,000 copies, can't afford the prohibitive licensing fees. Although there may be other problems with this idea, if there was a flat master use rate - say $.10 per master per CD sold - you could put 20 songs on a CD, pay the $2.00 royalties to the labels (RIAA could act as a blanket licensing agency) and $1.70 royalties to the songwriters, sell for $15.00 and everybody gets their share. Fair price, selection unlimited, everybody makes as much money as they can. Labels even make money off "dead" catalog. Everyone could put out any CD they like - with everyone getting paid. Of course, we'd have to endure compilations like "Artists Whose Names are Phonetically Similar to Spector" and such, but the music could get out. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:31:46 -0000 From: Glenn Subject: Re: Hannukah is My Time of Year Larry Lapka: ...with all the major talents in the recording industry who are Jewish, why do Jews release Christmas albums? Why do Jewish performers not acknowledge that their holiday is as special as Christmas. Frank: Perhaps you have just answered the recent question of why Lesley Gore never released a Christmas record. Being Jewish never stopped those such as Streisand, Neil Diamond, and even Phil Spector from joining the Christmas bandwagon. Laura Pinto: This would make a good trivia question ... how many Jewish performers have released Christmas recordings? Along with Barbra Streisand, Neil Diamond and Phil Spector, there's Barry Manilow and even Neil Sedaka, who recorded "Deck the Halls" for a Christmas compilation a few years back. Oh, just thought of another one - Michael Bolton released a Christmas album in 1996. Glenn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 01:13:06 EST From: Bill George Subject: Re: Seasons in the Sun Previously: Terry Jacks probably did write the last verse of his version - in the Brel/McKuen original, that last verse is about a cheating wife, and would NOT have fit Terry's recording. Of course, the original is by Brel alone, and is in French. Did McKuen record his own version with his English lyrics? I've only ever heard Brel's version and Terry Jack's. Musically, they are QUITE different. - Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:55:37 -0000 From: Clark besch Subject: Re: Zager and Evans - One Hit Wonders? The Saga! David Walker wrote: Hi, re: Zager and Evans: In Australia they did rather well. In the Year 2525 (Exordium & Terminus) reached # 4 in my hometown in July of 1969. They followed this in April of 1070 with Help One Man Today which reached #26. Michael Zager reached #44 with Let's All Chant in 1978. So, I suppose from this info they really can't be called one hit wonders. Norman, As mentioned, Michael Zager was not a member of Zager & Evans. Denny Zager was in the duo. A couple of other things. Altho, due to their local nature, I would not call myself a "fan" of their music. Personally, much of their RCA stuff is a bit wierd. I really like "2525", but not too hot on the others. Their Eccentrics 45 is ok tho. I just find their local story quite interesting. "2525" was number one nationally on July 21, 1969 when man first walked on the moon. Thus, this made the song a real "period piece". It was still #1 on August 16, when Woodstock was being held! I did an informal poll at work Friday to see if anyone knew who Z&E was. Surprisingly, a few knew them, knew the song and knew they were from Lincoln! Many had no idea tho about the artists or the song. Take care, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:57:34 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Being There to Musica - The Beatles on radio Hi, now playing to Musica is 10 minutes of "Being There: The Beatles on Radio". I won't keep it up long, as I too wanna hear more of those Coke commercials. We've passed the topic around about how much fun it was to hear the Beatles new songs as they came out as compared to hearing them for the first time years later due to not "being there". Decades ago, I went thru my old reel tapes that my brothers and me recorded off US radio as kids in the 60's and put clips together for a Beatles radio show I did in the 80's. They are unfortunately not in chronological order, as my tapes weren't, so it jumps from era to era, but they are from our original tapes and show the vigor and excitement with which we went after the fab four's songs via the great AM radio stations of America as heard DXing from Dodge City, Kansas! The tracks fly past faster than you can read the contents below, so you may have to listen a few times to find anything of interest. As with many people recording off radio then, we ususally wanted the song without a lot of DJ patter, so many of the songs we recorded have much less talk than what you hear here. The point is, if it was the Beatles, they played it! Lp cuts, B sides, unreleased, Beatles banter--they played it! Here's a very long winded presentation. Hope you can stand it. So, as Murray the "K" said ....."It's What's Happening, Baby....." List of tracks (approx date of recording): 1. Strawberry Fields--WLS Chicago Ron Riley premiere "Isn't that ending the wierdest..." (2/67) 2. Inner Light-Riley. By this time Beatles were old hat for Ringo Ron. This "B" side got WLS airplay for about a month! (3/68) 3. The Night Before-KOMA Bobby Davis (if I remember correctly). The movie "Help!" was premiering aound the country and Oklahoma City's great 50000 watter was playing cuts from the new soundtrack Lp every hour! Being a new Lp, Bobby kinda screws up the title here calling it "Another Night", thus combining "Another Girl" with "The Night Before". With that infamous long AM fade KOMA had, Bobby punches the "Echo" button for emphasis too! On a side note, my buddy Sandy Jackson was a Dj at KOIL in Omaha where the movie opened at several theatres and a KOIL jock was at each location reporting in to the station!! (8/65) 4. Bandstand Top 10 board--Every once in awhile, Dick Clark missed Bandstand. This particular show I taped from, his announcer, Charlie O'Donnell (I think that was his name), sat in for Dick. Here, he counts down the top 10 board to one of the most played and recorded songs of all time. Must have been dancing to this one, huh? :) Interestingly, several of the top 10 acts have been talked of here recently. The music lives on and on!!!! (10/65) 5. It's Only Love-KOMA Davis again (I think). Same night as above, most likely. Another plug for the new "Help!" movie. Here's the first of many on this 10 minute montage where a station jumps the gun on Capitol records. KOMA playing this song from the UK "Help!" Lp, since the song wasn't released in US until "Rubber Soul" in Dec. 65! (8/65) 6. I've Just Seen a Face-WLS Riley also Parlophoning it, as same situation existed as above. (8/65) 7. Drive my Car-WLS Riley proclaims, "There it is, one of..." the songs not appearing on the US Lp of "Rubber Soul". I'm guessing that is how the sentence ended. I DO remember that night, they played this song, "Nowhere Man", "What Goes On" and "If I Needed Someone" -- one each hour, when they got the new UK "Rubber Soul" Lp, as none were on the US version! Note: "Nowhere Man" and "What Goes On" would be released in Feb 66 on a US 45, but the other two would not appear here until June 66 on "Yesterday.....And Today". Thus, WLS (and others) were getting us these songs 7 to 8 months before we could buy them in US stores!! Worth listening every night, don't you think?). (12/65!) 8. Hello Goodbye-WLS Riley. Here, we get to test the record turner! At WLS in 1968, the Dj just talked. An engineer controlled stuff on the other side of the glass. A record turner took care of the actual record playing. In this case, Ron premieres the Beatles, but the Buckinghams new song "Susan" is playing. Quickly corrected, Ron does the usual trick of talking in the middle of the song to supposedly make sure no one or station tapes it for air use in the case of such an "exclusive". Both of the above songs were featured in his weekly Sunday night 7 PM "Preview" hour show. (11/67) 9. I Am the Walrus-WNOE New Orleans I used to love getting this station in. Another relaying heavily on reverb Dj talk. (12/67) 10. Hey Jude-WKYC Cleveland Great great station. Here, from "It's All Over Now" into the Beatles! Several stations played a shorter version of "Hey Jude". As far as I know, their own edits or just faded end early. I know WLS had their own harsh edit for "Those Were the Days" which played back to back with "Hey Jude" when they were at the top together, gave Apple 13 minutes of non-stop music on the air!! (10/68) 11. Lady Madonna-WABC New York Cousin Brucie Morrow. It was like heaven when we could get WABC in in western Kansas! As you can hear, it wasn't easy. Battling the only other competition for the 770 airwaves, WABC was often overtaken by KOB Albequerque (you can hear their call letters in this portion!) at our house. Go figure, only 2 50000 watt stations at night on 770 and we got KOB! This sure shows how fast Brucie could talk. Hard to tell amidst the AM noise what he is saying! (4/68) 12. If I Needed Someone-unknown station. Often, the stations tried to tell early on who was singing lead on songs the Beatles did. Many even put out printed lists telling who sang what. I have one from WKY Oklahoma City. Of course, thye were wrong on some ususally. (12/65) 13. Not a Second Time-WLS probably. What was cool here is that this was an early 64 tape and this track starts in the middle of a Beatles song and goes through 13 songs without a break or talking until this part you hear! Talk about Beatles domination! All were a mix of the first Vee Jay and Capitol Lp and the singles. That was great for us to get these without any talk at the time! (2/64) 14. I Should Have Known Better-KOMA again. (8/64) 15. I Don't Want to Spoil the Party-WLS Riley. Ron loved to sing (or whistle) over intros and outros of songs. He was a lot of fun to listen to back then and is my fave all time Dj. By the way, this song was played every day on their survey countdown as a co-number 1. You'd never know it today. (2/65) 16. I Wanna Be Your Man-station unknown. Obviously an oldie here as he refers to doing the Freddie! (4/65?) 17. Help!-station unknown (8/65) 18. From me to You-WLS Riley. As I said above, he liked singing over the records. (4/64?) 19. You Can't Do That-WLS Riley. He loved talking the Brit talk, calling WLS "Radio One" and such. (4/64) 20. Hello Goodbye-WNOE Johnny Stevens. Loved that echo! "You'll Get it lots tonight!" Always the case. If you caught the new Beatles songs, but wanted to hear it again. Just wait an hour and it was playing again!! (11/67) 21. Penny Lane-WLS Art Roberts. So many people enjoyed Art's "Top 3 Most Requested" countdown at 10 Pm every night all around the country- -including me! He gives the time at 10:12, so it was likely #1 this night. Check out the classic "Trumpet ending" Dj 45-only version!! Another reason to listen to the radio. Finally released on the Beatles "Rarities" Lp decades later!! (2/67) 22. Lady Madonna-WLS Roberts. "LS Loves You" because that was their slogan that spring! (3/68) 23. I'll Follow the Sun-station unknown (12/64) 24. She's A Woman/I Feel Fine-WLS Dex Card. I would literally run home from school in 65, 66, 67 to hear Dex Card play the Silver Dollar Survey countdown everyday. Same songs in same order everyday. Why run? Because, in Dodge City, sometimes AM skip would allow WLS to come in as early as 3:30 (about #25 in the countdown) in the winter to as late as 10 PM (lucky to hear the Top 3 request show, 04 hours after the survey countdown ended!) in the summer. Dex had a ton of great expressions he used on the air. One was "TSW", standing for "Two Sided Winner" (both 45 sides were hits). If there was a TSW on the countdown, he usually played both sides, switching which was played first from day to day at times. Hearing this still gives me chills! (12/64) 25. Kansas City-WLS Riley. Beatles "Twin spins"! Probably from Oct 65, when it wa the B side of the supposedly new Beatles 45 on Capitol Starline. (10/65) 26. Fool on the Hill-WLS Larry Lujack. My second fave Dj alltime, Uncle Lar played the slick talking Dj in the eraly WLS days when he took Dex Card's place with the survey countdown show (now the WLS "Hit Parade"). I guess anything the Beatles did in 67 was "psychedelic", huh? (12/67) 27. Magical Mystery Tour-WKYC Big Jack Armstrong. Had to get one great crazy dj in there. "Big Jack" was great! (12/67) 28. Your Mother Should Know-WSAI Cincinnati. Hardly ever heard WSAI, but just tuning the dial in Dec 67, likely you caught a "Magical Mystery" track somewhere! (12/67) 29. Day Tripper-WLS Card. "A lot of Beatle business on our Silver Dollar Survey". You said it, Dex! Another "TSW". He also often said he "pulled this one from the Beatle box", which made me picture a big box of Beatles records sitting beside him. The magic of radio and of being a kid! (1/66) 30. When I'm 64-WNOE Robbie Rabbit (12/67) 31. All You Need is Love-station unknown. Summer of love radio! (7/67) 32. Lady Madonna-WLS Roberts. "That exciting moment is here.." #1 by your vote! Note the closing strains of Georgie Fame's "Bonnie & Clyde" at #2. (3/68) 33. Lady Madonna-WKYC Boomer. He doesn't sing over it, he recites the lyrics! Preceded by Troggs' "Love Is All Around". Brit invasion was stiil great in 68! (3/68) 34. Obladi Oblada-WLS Chuck Buell. Replacing Riley in the evening slot, Chuck plays the new Beatles tune, but can't pronounce the title! (11/68) 35. Hey Bulldog/You're too Much-WLS Riley. Here, another early airing! A WLS "Exclusive" from November 10, 1968. Riley says it's a couple of tracks from the new "Yellow Submarine" album featuring 22 tracks they wrote mostly in India that "should be released around mid- November (68)." And he's "gonna be playing both sides next hour" so why not...... 36. You're Too Much-WLS Riley. Same night, 01 hour later! Did he say 32 songs on the Lp? Wow, my heart was racing at "22 tracks"! Now it's 32! Why not, the Beatles are first at new stuff always, I figure. I'm thinking, "Man, wonder what the pic sleeve will look like for this great 'Hey Jude' followup Apple single?" I'm assuming "You're too Much" at "3 minutes and 22 seconds" will be the B side. Now, for the grave reality of the above. Apple forces WLS to quit playing the track within a day or two. At least I still have it on tape. Good thing, because it wouldn't be heard again aywhere until it's release on Jan 13, 1969 on the "Yellow Submarine" album. You say, "hey, that was only 2 months. What's the big deal?" Well, let me tell you..... 1. Even tho "Hey Jude" ends its' last week on the WLS "Hit Parade" Nov.11, 1968, it rides the Billboard Hot 100 amazingly till late January, 1969! Instead of this new Beatles single in mid November, the next Apple single turns out to be "Get Back" released 5 months later in April, 1969! 2. November 22, 1968 (11 days after this taping), sure enough, the new Beatles Lp Riley was talking of is released! 29 new tracks! Riley was almost correct! But, its' title is "The Beatles" ("White Album", as we know it today). No big deal, Riley got that wrong. Got my brother to run down to Woolworths in Dodge City and fork out the big bucks for the double Lp. Whew! Wow, pictures and a poster and great songs! WHAT? 29 songs and no "Hey Bulldog" or "You're Too Much"??? Bummer. But, hey it's cool to have these unreleased gems taped. 3. January 13, 1969. Hey, Riley was right! "Hey Bulldog" and "You're Too Much" appear on the new "Yellow Submarine" album as he said. Obviously, the 32/22 tracks Lp was the white album, cause this albumhas but 4 new songs! Still, I gotta have my 2 songs on vinyl. Amazingly, the 3:22 version of "You're Too Much" is now the 6+ minute "It's All too Much"! To this day, I like the edit better. 4. When it's the 60's and it's the Beatles, a lot can happen in just 2 months!! ON WITH THE COUNTDOWN: 37. Boys-WLS Riley. Ron having fun with sound bites as the Capitol Starline 45 reaches # 18 on WLS before Capitol pulls the plug on the release. 38. Long Tall Sally-KYW Cleveland (soon to be WKYC). Probably the most thrilling thing I'd ever heard on the radio at that point in my life! A true Beatles concert played live over the radio as it happened! I acn just picture the fans, the Djs with "our arms are locked together" as the Beatles go rushing by them and "look out New Orleans, cause it's headed your way!" And emceed by all those great Cleve jocks ( and future WCFL Chicago greats) like Jerry G Bishop, Jim Runyon, and Jim Stagg. (early 64) As Jim Runyon says in the last bit, "I wish you could have been here...." Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:14:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Brown Subject: Re: He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss) Julio Niqo: The mention of "He Hit Me" brings to mind some early sixties songs with SM ("Sadomaso" as we say in Spanish) connotations, like Brian Hyland's "Let Me Belong To You", Jess Conrad's "Hurt Me" (produced by Joe Meek) or Little Eva's "Please Hurt Me". I always find a bit of perversity wrapped in an innocent package very sexy. Could anybody add some more examples?. Harold Shackleford: How about the Mac Rebennack (Dr. John) fronted early 60's group "The Threee Stooges" singing "You Are My Girl" with lines like.... "Frankenstein wanted you for his wife, but Jack the Ripper stabbed you with his knife"........Kinda abusive dont cha think? This is obviously not sixties, but "I Love It When You Call Me Names" by Joan Armatrading -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:54:03 -0000 From: Mark T Subject: Diamond Records Has anyone yet determined who owns the label and where the tapes are? This is the label that had Ronnie Dove, Johnny Thunder, etc. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:33:28 -0500 From: Mark Wirtz Subject: Re : The End of Albums Previously: Probably a much bigger factor in the loss of music sales is the wide range of options now available that weren't in (say) 1978 - video tapes, DVDs, computer games, computers, and so on - all competing for those same dollars. Indeed wise and realistic obeservations! Mind you, the essence of this thread is the "end of albums?" issue. I wouldn't buy into that kind of doomsdaying just yet! We are going through a major transition in the rapidly redundant, even obsolete, conventional methods of distributing and retailing "documented" music, not dissimilar to the revolutionary transition we experienced when "records" took over from sheet music and mere broadcast - or live performances. I believe that what is happening, is that the Internet is swiftly taking the place of radio (even MTV), with built-in, impulse buyer-friendly, purchase facilities, and the DVD will in a few years have taken over from CDs and conventional audio-only sound bearing contrivances. Thus, we shall be experiencing a welcome return of the once again pivotal "single", the specifics of which we shall choose ourself (public concensus-like) by most popular selection from individually available "song" items on previewable "album" track lists, and the "album" will emerge as audio-visual "concerts" of studio, or live, recordings set to pictures. The purchase cost of the latter will probably be about the same as we pay for CDs at the moment, and ultimately result in retail unit sales similar to movie DVDs. And, if you keep in mind that the DVD of "Captain Nemo" - a box office smash - sold an instant 8 Million untits during the first week of release in the US alone, contradicting all the erstwhile doom sayers in the movie industry that believed that video would kill box office and the movie business (though forcing it to make more exciting and seductive movies!!!), I don't think we risk losing a bet that recorded music will experience a similar, bonanza-like, market reincarnation! Optimistically, Mark Wirtz -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 03:26:18 -0000 From: Hugo M Subject: Re: Hey la, di la I always thought it was 'hey la, hey la...' Guess I should have paid more attention during Girl Group 101. Hugo M. http://free.hostdepartment.com/P/PME -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 26 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:52:52 -0000 From: Mark T Subject: Lost Master Tapes Just curious to determine how much music no longer exists on master tapes. I know we've seen many things come out from off of vinyl but I just wonder how much of that is because the labels that are doing the CDs don't have the money, time or inclination to track down tapes when they are not readily available. For instance I've heard that many of White Whale tapes are gone, all of Private Stock, all of BT Puppy, etc. But take Private Stock for example. They existed in England so even if there are no tapes in this country, has anyone bothered to look there? Or Australia for that matter? The question I'm asking is, do people try the most obvious possible source and then give up? Do they contact producers, artists, anyone associated that could have kept the tapes before saying they don't exist? If some knowledgable posters can talk on this subject it should be very interesting. End

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