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Spectropop - Digest Number 1152



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There are 20 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Ronnie Spector in Toronto on Thursday, Dec 11
           From: Vlaovic B 
      2. Re: Tom Wilson
           From: Phil Milstein 
      3. Re: "Kumbaya"
           From: Tom Taber 
      4. Re: Seasons In The Sun
           From: Tom Taber 
      5. Bert Berns and Bruce Channel: Baby Songs
           From: Don Charles 
      6. Re: Tom Wilson / Sound Of Silence
           From: Paul Bryant 
      7. Beatles Christmas messages
           From: Justin McDevitt 
      8. Re: Andy Kim / Baron Longfellow
           From: Paul Underwood 
      9. Re: Tom Wilson / Sound Of Silence
           From: Art Longmire 
     10. Being Bootlegged
           From: Orion 
     11. Re: The first song to use a synthesizer / Jean Shepherd
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     12. Re: The first song to use a synthesizer
           From: Mike Rashkow 
     13. Re: The first song to use a synthesizer
           From: James Botticelli 
     14. Zager and Evans - One Hit Wonders?
           From: Art Longmire 
     15. Choo Choo Ch'Boogie
           From: Harry Jay 
     16. Re: The first song to use a synthesizer
           From: Michael Bennett 
     17. Re: The first song to use a synthesizer
           From: Aidan Clark 
     18. Re: Britsh Invasion redux
           From: Art Longmire 
     19. Re: Andy Kim / Baron Longfellow
           From: Laura Pinto 
     20. Re: Cincinnati
           From: Rat Pfink 


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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:13:17 -0500 From: Vlaovic B Subject: Ronnie Spector in Toronto on Thursday, Dec 11 Anyone on the list planning to see Ronnie Spector at the Phoenix Theatre in Toronto next week? I don't have my tickets yet, but will have them in hand for the concert. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:09:06 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Tom Wilson Alan V Karr wrote: > Question for all: Are the VU the electric backing on "The Sound of > Silence" and possibly other "Sounds of Silence" LP era tracks? No way. I don't know who it is, but it's definitely not the VU. They were too busy backing The Animals on House Of The Rising Sun. Kidding, of course. There's another good piece on Wilson, which offers a lot of new info and insights (although at least a few factual errors), at http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/10/23/154347.php. The article is written by Eric Olsen, who is co-author of Billboard's Encyclopedia Of Record Producers book (from which the article is perhaps drawn). I've never seen that -- anyone know if it's any good? An item that ties the Tom Wilson thread to one we ran with a few months back is that he was the connecting thread bringing The Blues Project and Sun Ra & Arkestra together for the "Sensational Guitars Of Dan & Dale"'s Batman album. Wilson had been hired to produce the session, and in turn hired one group with whom he was currently (more or less) working and one he'd last worked with some years previous. Although most of the tracks were recorded by one of the combos or the other, a few of them featured both, although I assume overdubbed rather than simultaneously. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:50:01 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: "Kumbaya" Shawn wrote: > ...but despite the interest in completeness, couldn't we do without > Tommy Leonetti's saccharine "Kumbaya"? I believe there is a NY State historic marker within 5 miles of my home that claims somebody on that spot (alright, probably just near there) wrote that song. Can anyone prove or disprove it for me? (It's also rumored that the writer of the folk song on which "Love Me Tender" is based was from Albion.) I do know for a fact that my brother-in- law's noisy wedding night party was interrupted by police summoned by Michael Bolton, and he grew up in Albion (my brother-in-law, not Michael Bolton). Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Seasons In The Sun My understanding is Terry Jacks was at a Beach Boys session where they recorded that (and other stuff deemed unchartworthy by the "suits") and he soon went off and did a similiar version. The Poppy Family's "Where Evil Grows" is one of my all-time favorites, sitar and all, while "Which Way ...Billy" is one of my instant station changers. Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:08:59 -0000 From: Don Charles Subject: Bert Berns and Bruce Channel: Baby Songs If anyone has heard the lyrics to Bruce Channel's single "Come On, Baby," could they please post an excerpt of them to Spectropop? I would appreciate it. Also, the song catalog of the late Bert Berns includes a title called "Hold On, Baby." Does anyone know if this was ever recorded? Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:28:15 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Bryant Subject: Re: Tom Wilson / Sound Of Silence Alan V Karr wrote: > Question for all: Are the VU the electric backing on "The Sound > of Silence" and possibly other "Sounds of Silence" LP era tracks? from http://www.songfta.com While Paul was in England in 1965, producers Tom Wilson and Bob Johnston happened upon an idea: why not take Bob Dylan's new, in- studio backing band and create a more "upbeat" Simon & Garfunkel tune? This formula had worked for Dylan, so it was reasoned that the other New York folk singers could follow suit. "The Sound Of Silence" was picked, and this "new" version charted very well. pb -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:54:19 -0600 From: Justin McDevitt Subject: Beatles Christmas messages Hello Spectropop, Are the Beatles Christmas messages, (1963-1969) available on a Cd compilation? Justin Mcdevitt -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:52:03 +0100 From: Paul Underwood Subject: Re: Andy Kim / Baron Longfellow Mike McKay wrote: > Perhaps this is a very well-known story, but it's one bit of trivia > that somehow escaped me until just the other night. It turns out that > Kim's songwriting talents did not extend to the composition of his > biggest hit, "Rock Me Gently." Though he claimed credit for it, the > song is apparently a direct steal from something done by Rod McKuen, > of all people. Rod says on his website that Kim added "me" to a prior > work of his, "Rock Gently," and took full credit. All credit to Andy Kim on this. He might have borrowed the title and part of the chorus from McKuen, but the song was hardly one of McKuen's best and was certainly not worth writing home about. I noticed the resemblance year ago but put it down to coincidence. > > It also turns out that Terry Jacks claims credit for writing "Seasons > in the Sun" these days, and a VH-1 special not long ago perpetuated > the falsehood -- actually stating that Jacks was the composer all the > while they were showing a photo of the single's label with the Brel- > McKuen writing credit clearly visible! > I assume Brel's heirs and McKuen get all the royalties so they won't be complaining. Terry Jacks should also say thanks to the Beach Boys whose (unreleased at te time) version he copied. Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:38:53 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: Tom Wilson / Sound Of Silence Alan V. Karr wrote: > Question for all: Are the VU the electric backing on "The Sound > of Silence" and possibly other "Sounds of Silence" LP eratracks? Mike McKay: > No...if this were so, it certainly would have been documented. The > story I've heard most frequently is that the electric backing was > added to "The Sounds of Silence" at the same session and by the > same musicians who had just backed Bob Dylan on "Like a Rolling > Stone. Do you mean Mike Bloomfield, Al Kooper, etc. who backed Dylan on "Like a Rolling Stone" did the backing for "Sounds of Silence"? I think you should question your sources...That Dylan session is one of the best documented in history and I've never heard anyone involved in it mention a Simon and Garfunkle connection. Art -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:12:01 -0500 From: Orion Subject: Being Bootlegged Mike Rashkow: > I don't necessarily disagree with your view in concept, but to > see where it leads, click on this: http://lostjukebox.tripod.com/ > > After lending this fellow all of my old stuff on the expressed > offer of putting it together on a CD for his personal use and > sending me copies - which he did - I then stumbled across this > site and found about 20 of my things on various CDs being offered > for sale. > > Now, his position is that he is only doing it as a service to > the musical community and that he barely covers his costs, nobody > in their right mind would take the time and put in the effort > needed to set this huge project up for no gain. > > Personally, I didn't care. I found it amusing and altogether > positive. Others may not feel the same - and the fact that he > never told me about what he was up to in the first place, plus > the fact that it took me a year and some very strong threats to > get back my originals, made the experience less than wonderful. > > In fact, I was pissed royal about being misled. > > I'm glad he was not able to handle the reel-to-reel tapes - some > of those have never been released and just maybe will have a use > someday. Mike - I can understand how you feel, however I am a buyer of some of those CDs ($10 ea. and no shipping costs) and truly I have been able to enjoy some music that I would never have gotten to experience. I do believe I would be hacked off, however if I had not been told the truth as to what was being done. ... Hmmmm. About those tapes..... Orion -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:57:09 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: The first song to use a synthesizer / Jean Shepherd Phil Milstein: > Curious what the Decca suits might've made of that. Were they scared > of the "new thing"? Don't know--we didn't deal with them too much--that was Mr. Sid Bernstein's area of responsibility. Other factors were that it was a "B" side and that people probably thought it was a Hammond B3 with a VFO. The "A" side has a really nice chart by Artie Schroek--funky strings, neato. > Also, have any good Jean Shepherd stories? Not really. I met him before. I met him after. I was given a bunch of tapes and I manufactured an LP. I had never in my life heard of Jean Shepherd before being offered the production job by Charlie Fach at Mercury, who was very kind to me. I went to see Jean live at Brooklyn College and "didn't get it" at all. But I needed the work so I did it. It was very difficult taking his extremely long stories and trying to make them work as "bits" on an LP. In some cases I would take parts from different stories and cut them up to make one story. Some of the music used was from an unreleased session that Mercury owned. They just gave it to me and said make it work. I got very lucky in one case and the music matched up almost perfectly with one part of a story--it sounded like it was scored. They made a single from that. It went direct to the cut out bins. The most fun and the best parts were the live "man on the street interviews" I created by wandering around NYC with a Nagra asking people " what do you think about Jean Shepherd". We used them as breaks between segments. Many of them were quite funny--some of the out-takes were unuseable but wild beyond belief. My kids used to listen to those over and over again and could do them word for word. A couple of years later when he had a TV show Shepherd copped that idea and used it as a regular bit. Imitation? I'm flattered. I do note that Ms. Ellie Greenwich's website credits her with the Jean Shepherd work because it says "A Pineywood Production". I do recall that she kept me company in the studio and brought in dinner a couple of times; and that's what she contributed. I have brought that point to the attention of her webmaster. At last look he had not made the correction. What can I tell you? Di la, Rashkkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:32:22 EST From: Mike Rashkow Subject: Re: The first song to use a synthesizer Jimmy Botticelli: > Is that the same rekkid done by the Wildweeds and then Jimmy James > & The Vagabonds? Great rekkid. Don't know. It was written by Al Anderson who I think was at one time NRBQ maybe and has become a major Nashville writer. Richard Havers: > The Fuzzy Bunnies was 1969 I think. Sounds right. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:51:25 -0500 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: The first song to use a synthesizer Richard Havers: > Not sure what the 'first' pop or rock record was to use a moog, but > the first model was built in 1964. Early synthesiser users were Paul > Beaver and Bernie Krause. They had a record out on Nonsuch in 1967 > (The Nonsuch guide to electronic music). They had bought a moog in > 1966 and set up a stall at the Monterey Pop Festival to try and excite > some potential customers It may have been Jean Jacques Perry's "In Sound From Way Out" which I believe (how scientific, eh?) dates back to 1966. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:14:01 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Zager and Evans - One Hit Wonders? Country Paul mentioned several several acts that had number one hits and no further chart activity. Another one that falls into that category (I think!) is "In the Year 2525" by Zager and Evans. Anyone who was around in 1969 will probably recall this dirge-like little ditty. I have a German copy of this record and wonder how well it did in other countries -was it a hit in the U.K.? Another song that may qualify is "The Third Man Theme" by Anton Karas, although this pre-dates the rock and roll era. Art -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:02:58 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time) From: Harry Jay Subject: Choo Choo Ch'Boogie This one is for Country Paul: Have you heard of a 1946 cover of "Choo Choo Ch'Boogie" by a girls group, they sounded like the Andrews , but I don't think it was them. I've been looking for years, I had it on 78, maybe you know someone that may have it. Thanks. Harry Jay -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Bennett Subject: Re: The first song to use a synthesizer The Monkees' "Star Collector" has a synthesizer -- that came out in 1967 -- allegedly, Mickey Dolenz was among the first four or five musicians to have a Moog. Mike Bennett -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:20:26 -0000 From: Aidan Clark Subject: Re: The first song to use a synthesizer How about the Mellotron--a British tape-strip replay keyboard, based on the American instrument the Chamberlin? Mellotrons appeared in 1963, as home organs for the very rich, and (unexpectedly) went on to become the ultimate progressive rock keyboard. I think the Fuzzy Bunnies' record was 1968. The Mellotron had been used on pop and rock for some years before this (the Moody Blues, Beatles, Stones, Beach Boys, etc.). They are really tape players, so I am not sure whether they are technically synthesisers, though. AC -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:21:30 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: Britsh Invasion redux Bill Craig wrote: > Did anyone catch the latest PBS fundraising special that featured > Gerry Marsden and a version of Manfred Mann called The Manfreds > that included 3 out of 5 of the original members (no Manfred Mann > or Mike Vickers)? ...Check it out if you have the chance. I saw this show several days ago over the Thanksgiving weekend- excellent program! I really did a double-take seeing Paul Jones fronting the Manfred Mann band. Hopefully the local PBS station will broadcast this again. Great seeing Gerry Marsden-"Ferry Across the Mersey" and "Don't Let the Sun" were two of the very first songs I remember liking as a kid. This broadcast also featured Lesley Gore, Brian Hyland and Gary Puckett, among others, as well as a clip of host Jerry Butler and Betty Everett singing a duet on "Let It Be Me". Art -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 21:47:13 -0000 From: Laura Pinto Subject: Re: Andy Kim / Baron Longfellow Me: > I recently won auctions on two Baron Longfellow albums from > eBay. Baron Longfellow, for the uninitiated, is actually > Andy Kim, a rose by another name smelling just as sweet. > The first album, from 1981, is self-titled, the second, from > 1984, is called "Prisoner By Design." Mark wrote: > Just curious but does he do any good bubblegum on the LPs or > is it all singer-songwriter mush? Hi, It's neither bubblegum nor mush ... if I had to classify it, I'd call it adult contemporary. Although recorded twenty years ago, most of the material still stands up today. Excellent stuff! Laura -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 19:10:19 -0500 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: Cincinnati Ruby wrote: > Bootsy Collins' older brother is Catfish (what did they do to > their mother to deserve these names). Those aren't their *real* names. Bootsy's real name is William and Catfish's is Phelps... -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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