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Spectropop - Digest Number 1105

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Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: The Knickerbocker Bros
           From: Bill Craig 
      2. Byrds of a Feather
           From: Steve Harvey 
      3. Re: When You Walk In The Room
           From: Richard Hattersley 
      4. Re: The Kit Kats
           From: Steve Harvey 
      5. Tom Jones interview
           From: Phil Milstein 
      6. Re: popping the classics
           From: Phil Milstein 
      7. Re: The Motels' "He Hit Me"
           From: Steve Grant 
      8. Righteous Brothers sing Bonner & Gordon
           From: Phil Milstein 
      9. Instrumental B sides
           From: Doc Rock 
     10. Re; Massiel
           From: Paul Woods 
     11. Re: The Knickerbocker Bros
           From: Martin Jensen 
     12. More on Robin Clark
           From: Wes Smith 
     13. Gene Pitney's "Tremblin'"
           From: Stuffed Animal 
     14. Re: Buddy & Dusty
           From: Bill Reed 
     15. Re: Red Bird Sound series
           From: Ken Silverwood 
     16. Phil's Spectre Au Go Go
           From: Don Charles 
     17. Re: Less than definitive CDs
           From: Claark Besch 
     18. Re: Gary Usher and Dick Campbell
           From: Patrick Rands 
     19. Re: 60s radio commercials
           From: Clark Besch 
     20. Rickie Page / Sandy Posey / Toni Wine
           From: Patrick Rands 
     21. Re: James Holvay / Mike & Michael
           From: Clark Besch 
     22. Re: Righteous Bros
           From: Richard Hattersley 
     23. Re: The Knickerbocker Bros
           From: John Berg 
     24. Re: Phil's Spectre / Kit Kats
           From: S.J. Dibai 
     25. Re: "When You Walk In The Room"
           From: Ken Silverwood 

Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 00:49:40 -0000 From: Bill Craig Subject: Re: The Knickerbocker Bros Steve Harvey wrote: > Having heard "Lies" on Nuggets in the early 70s I was knocked > out when I first heard "Wishful Thinking". Sounded like > somebody had put somebody else's track on the Knickerbockers' > LP. I'm surprised that Bobby and Bill didn't cover it themselves. Here's a question: When Jimmy Walker took the Bill Medley role briefly in The Righteous Bros, did he play any drums on their album? He was a member of the somewhat limited membership club of singing drummers. Maybe there's a thread there.... Interesting too that Saxman Buddy Randall had the Beatley voice in The Knicks R.I.P. Bobby Hatfield Bill Craig -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 17:26:39 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Byrds of a Feather Cheryl Jennings wrote: > Just thought I'd add that when the Byrds were first a band in 1965 > a high point of their early shows was a super version of "When You > Walk In The Room". I heard that story about the Byrds too, along with "Things We Said Today". Two live gems we'll never hear unless Peter FOnda has them on tape. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:23:53 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Re: When You Walk In The Room WYWITR has been covered lots hasn't it? Searchers, Del Shannon, Billy J Kramer, Paul Carrack......etc Funny that artists are attracted to a song that when you listen doesn't actually have a great deal of melody but there is certainly something about it. Fantastic gutar figure for starts. I have opened every show I have done in the last 10 years with it! I must have sang it 1000 times and i never tire of it. Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 17:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: The Kit Kats Maybe Cousin Paul could play the CD I made of my Kit Kats radio show, from the mid-90s, to musica. On it I played the Tik Taks version (hold it up to the mirror) of "Let Get Lost" which is an instrumental. The New Hope lp contained a snippet of "Oh My Angel", the Bertha Tillman tune, which I would not hear completely until the late 80s when they reunited at Jerry Blavat's club. It's now in complete form on their double CD. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 20:48:18 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Tom Jones interview Caught an excellent hour-long interview with Tom Jones on Larry King Live the other night. Those who've ever had the displeasure of watching Larry's infuriating "technique" will realize just how rare such an occasion is, but Tom took Larry's puddle-deep and research-free questions and turned them into an expansive and fascinating autobiographical session. Despite doing relatively few interviews in his career, Tom was relaxed, charming, and seemed to remember everything he ever knew, including the name of the shoe store Curly Putnam was still working at at the time he wrote Green Green Grass Of Home. One of his stories concerned his first encounter with What's New Pussycat, which Burt B. demo'd for him in Burt's London hotel room (where he was working on the score for the movie). Although Tom didn't have much industry leverage yet, he was still so turned off by Burt's sketchy vocalizing of the tune that he turned it down flat. At this point the song was still in baion mode, for which Tom felt his singing style inappropriate. Burt, though perhaps unable to render it as such himself, heard it in his head as a big, brassy type of thing, and asked Tom to withhold his final word until hearing the tracks, which they were cutting the next day. Showing up toward the end of the tracking session, Tom finally started to hear the song the way Burt did. He put down his vocals, and the rest is history. Add it to the list of big hits that the singer initially didn't want to do. Another story that caught my attention -- and I have no idea how well-known or obscure this fact is -- is that Tom recorded It's Not Unusual, written by his manager Gordon Mills, purely as a demo, for Sandie Shaw. But Tom and Gordon liked the way that version came out so much that they decided to release it, and ... well I already used the "rest is history" cliche, but it is. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 20:51:13 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: popping the classics Phil Chapman wrote: > Can any of you compilation buffs tell me if there's one comprising > pop hits lifted from classical themes? I've never heard of one, but it sounds like a great idea. Whoever intends to take on such a project would do well to consider Van Dyke Parks's "Number 9," his delightful interpretation of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 20:51:54 -0500 From: Steve Grant Subject: Re: The Motels' "He Hit Me" I wrote: > As I imagine most list members know, (Martha Davis and) > the Motels also did a lovely version of "He Hit Me." Jimmy Botticelli: > I remember them doing "The Big Hurt" but on which LP was > 'He Hit Me'? All Four One, Expanded Edition CD -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 21:44:16 -0500 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Righteous Brothers sing Bonner & Gordon Now playing at musica, the 2nd installment of a short list of Bonner & Gordon rarities. This time around, in memory of Bobby Hatfield, The Righteous Brothers' versions of Whatever Happened To Happy and Don't Give Up On Me. As before, all comments and questions should be directed here, to Alan Gordon's attention. Enjoy, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 21:14:22 -0500 From: Doc Rock Subject: Instrumental B sides It's not a B side, but I have a 45 by Mike and Lulu that is the instrumental version of "Baby Sittin' Boogie" sans vocal. Came out a year before Buzz's version. Doc -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:39:38 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: Paul Woods Subject: Re; Massiel Julio said: > Much more unusual is the opposite case. A cover of a Spanish song > done by Lesley Gore. This is the case of "He Gives Me Love (la la > la)", A-side of a 1968 single of Lesley, which is a version of > Massiel's "La la la", winner of The Eurovision Song Contest of 1968. I was studying in Granada in 1968, staying with a Spanish family. I came home after midnight on the night of the contest to find everyone in the house, from Grandmother to two year-old still up and partying, all rejoicing at Massiel having beaten Cliff Richard into second place. All I was able to say in retaliation was, "Ah, but remember the Armada!" Within a day or so of the contest, people were parodying the Massiel song. The first verse starts, I think: "Yo canto a mi madre, que me dió mi ser" ...and people changed the second line to: "Yo canto a mi padre, que tuvo algo que hacer..." which means something like: "I sing to my mother who gave me my existence" "I sing to my father, who had something to do with it..." Well, the Spanish teenagers in the household thought it was funny... ;-)= wudzi -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:07:33 -0000 From: Martin Jensen Subject: Re: The Knickerbocker Bros Jeff Lemlich wrote: > "Wishful Thinking" went on to become the Knickerbockers' unlikely > Northern soul spin. It made its first appearance on the "Lies" > LP, which has one side in a Beatles mode, and the other firmly in > the Righteous Bros. camp. I like both sides. Steve Harvey: > It just shows you how diverse the Knickerbockers could be. Having > heard Lies on Nuggets in the early 70s I was knocked out when I > first heard Wishful Thinking. Sounded like somebody had put somebody > else's track on the Knickerbockers' lp. I'm surprised that Bobby and > Bill didn't cover it themselves. Is this track available on CD? I would love to hear it... With regards Martin, Denmark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:34:35 -0000 From: Wes Smith Subject: More on Robin Clark First, a sincere "THANK YOU" to Clark Besch for the very informative info on Robin Clark, that he was so kind to share with us! I am personally so indebted, craving any new info on her that I could find. Actually,THERE WERE FOUR 45 releases........and all four of them were pretty darn good! (especially when you consider that she was only 11 years old when she signed to Capitol Records) Also,according to an article in a 1961 "ROCK AND ROLL SONGS" magazine, "She was born on the Universiy of Alabama campus, while her parents were students there,attended school in Donelson, Tn. (outside of Nashville) under her real name of Ilo Hershiser." "Like Pat Boone and Brenda Lee,she was a veteran of the Policemen's Annual Benefit in Nashville, where she was a notorious show-stealer, gaining many famous supporters,including Eddy Arnold,who considered her his protege." "The doll-like vocalist was the subject of a full color cover and story in the Nashville Tennessean magazine" Guess that's all I could add. Sincerely, Wes Smith ROBIN'S CAPITOL RELEASES: Capitol 4503(1/'61) "DADDY,DADDY(GOTTA GET A PHONE IN MY ROOM") "LOVE HAS COME MY WAY" Capitol 4579(6/'61) "FOR YOUR SAKE" "BILLY" Capitol 4636)(10/'61) "IT'S LOVE" "THE BUTTERFLY TREE" Capitol 4763)(7/'62) "I GOTTA BE SURE" "TELLIN' MYSELF" -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:44:30 +0000 From: Stuffed Animal Subject: Gene Pitney's "Tremblin'" I always thought I heard Ron Dante singing background on that track. Can anyone verify? What say you, Pineapple Princess (Laura Pinto)? Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:10:36 -0000 From: Bill Reed Subject: Re: Buddy & Dusty > Anyone heard the recording of Buddy berating band members on the > tour bus? Abusiveness personified. He threw one guy right off the > bus, fired him in the middle of nowhere. > > There is a great story about Dusty Springfield. . .Dusty punched > him in the chops The recording you refer to has long circulated, much like the Julie London "Man I Love" and Brian/Murray Wilson sessions. Though on the former it sounds as though Julie is more peeved with her inability to nail the song than she is with her players. YES, to put it mildly, Buddy was the original tightly-wrapped piece of work. His famous last words on his deathbed---when the doctor asked him if he was allergic to anything---were: "Country and western music." Just wayyyyy too hip for the house. BTW, Buddy Rich was not the only musical colleague with whom Dusty became physically combatitive. I seem to recall a reel or two of one inch tape hurled in the direction of the producer of one of her UA albums. On the other hand, I once accorded a live concert of hers a highly (make that HIGHLY) favorable review, and she prrrrrractically stalked me across two continents to proffer her appreciation. A great, great artist in addition to being quite the slugger! Bill Reed -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:18:53 -0000 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: Red Bird Sound series I asked: > Whilst pouring through the booklet in the 'Red Bird Sound, Vol > 4: Dressed In Black' CD, I came across two mentions of a Vol > 5 being compiled & a mention of it including Roddie Joy's > "Come Back Baby". Anyone know what happened? Did I miss it? Mick Patrick replied: > Hi Ken, don't worry, you didn't miss 'Red Bird Sound, Vol 5'. > It was never released. However, you can find Roddie Joy's fab > Barbara Lewis-alike 'Come Back Baby' on two other fine CDs... Thanks Mick for the onfo, it's now going to make me drool over what could have been on it! Ken On The West Coast. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:46:15 -0000 From: Don Charles Subject: Phil's Spectre Au Go Go Another wonderful album with Spectorish production is Dobie Gray's 1965 FOR IN-CROWDERS THAT GO GO. Fred Darian (who's he?) produced. I recall in particular two excellent tracks: The Mexican- flavored "Blue Ribbons" by Jackie DeShannon, and "Walk With Love," a vaguely homoerotic number. Spectropoppers will certainly be familiar with the singles from this album, "The In Crowd" and "See You At The Go-Go" . . . both records are definitely Wall of Sound cops, besides being irresistibly danceable. Good luck locating a stereo copy of this album! Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 02:40:52 -0000 From: Claark Besch Subject: Re: Less than definitive CDs > I'm sure there are people on this list who can chime in with > examples. ......and then there's the Cds with a promising title that live up to their price only. Collectibles has just released "The VERY best of the Cryan Shames"! You can view tracks at I thought, hmm, maybe this would be pretty cool! Well, let's see. The cover is a color version of the original "Sugar & Spice" Lp cover. Um, not so great. OK, so all the hits are there? (I know, some of you may say: WHAT HITS?). Well, um, exactly ONE Hot 100 song, "Sugar & Spice". That must qualify as the "Very Best" right? I guess so! Only 2 other singles A sides! Actually, the songs on the Cd are OK, it's just bizarre choice in my opinion. No "It Could Be We're In Love" or "I Wanna Meet You"?? Now, the clincher: PRICE: $6.15. For 10 cuts, I guess sometimes you get what you pay for. That's about what it should be, so not a rip off except for the title. Released Oct 21, 2003, I hope it is not the final Shames CD to hang their hats on. Anyway, the crazy world of Cd reissues continues! Take care, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:21:30 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: Gary Usher and Dick Campbell Hi Gary, I was wondering if you could help me find some sound file samples of either the Dick Campbell Blue Winds Only Know or Gary Usher Beyond The Shadow Of Doubt cds. Also, I'm having a hard time finding either of these two cds for sale anywhere. I love the Sagittarius The Blue Marble disc, and I was curious if these two albums are similar? Please let me know if you can help me - thank you! :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:07:46 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: 60s radio commercials Previously: > It would be great to have a couple of these posted to musica, > though I realize that everyone has their personal favorites. > The "7-Up, the UnCola" spot by the Cyrkle is one that gets my > vote. Hi, I have posted my old recording of the 7Up jingle from my original reel to reel recording of it March 68 on WCFL's Ron Britain show in Chicago that I sent to Bob Irwin. I suggest you get the 45 from Sundazed if you really like it. Won't keep it up long, as the quality is not great and there are many things to get on Musica, I'm sure. Take care, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:02:09 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Rickie Page / Sandy Posey / Toni Wine Mick Patrick wrote: > Actually, you probably are. That "crooner" Ricki was one of > the busiest West Coast studio singers of the early and mid-'60s > and recorded under a variety of assumed and group names. She's > been the subject of numerous messages to the S'pop list, not > *all* of which were from me. Is this the same "Rickey Page" who recorded two Sandy Posey covers on Hit Records? Single Girl (released as "Sherry Young") and I Take It Back (released as "Kathy Shannon"). Both excellent versions. Also, I recently got a copy of Sandy Posey's version of Your Conception of Love (written by Doc Pomus and Toni Wine) which is a perfect mix of that Dylan cynicism and Monkees styled pop that was so appealing in the late 1960s. Anyone have any more information on this lost little classic tune? Did anyone else try there hand at it or did Toni do a demo which is floating around? :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 18:24:50 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: James Holvay / Mike & Michael Mick Patrick wrote: > I'm sure I speak for many members when I wish a very warm S'pop > welcome to James Holvay, songwriter, producer and member of the > Mob. > > Thanks for yet another great Kane & Abel story, James. Can I > ask you to share some memories of another favourite record of > mine: "My Neighborhood" by Mike & Michael, released on > Constellation 156, in 1965. > > It's another excellent Righteous Brothers-style disc co- > written and co-produced by yourself. Tell me, which came first, > Kane & Abel or Mike & Michael? And who were Mike & Michael? I > believe this record exists on another label too. Correct? > > For those who haven't heard this tasty piece of Windy City > blue-eyed soul, it is currently playing at musica: > Mick, since James has not answered your question, I will relate what he told me. Mike & Michael were later in Neighborhood of "Big Yellow Taxi" fame here. Odd that that word would be in the 45 you played. I can't remember which was which, but one of these guys was Michael Tomasetti whose "She's the One" was released on Constellation as a solo 45. Take care, Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 01:14:48 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Re: Righteous Bros Previously: > As for "Unchained Melody", again there has been much confusion on > the group recently, just to clarify the matter - "Unchained Melody", > produced by Bill Medley, was originally intended as a Bobby Hatfield > solo for the "Just Once In My Life" album. Is that true, Medley produced Unchained? It's always credited as a Spector production but I have to say I have always thought it doesn't sound like one. By the way, something that always shocks me about that record, great as it is, is that wrong bass note during the last 1/2 of the song. A real clanger!. Richard -------------------------------------------------------------------- Admin Note: Please note that it has now been well and truly established that the Righteous Brothers' "Unchained Melody" WAS produced by Bill Medley, NOT Phil Spector, whatever the label states. Indeed, this matter has already been the subject of much discussion here at S'pop, as a search of the Forum Archives will reveal. So please, let's consider this thread closed. Thank you. The S'pop Team -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:24:19 EST From: John Berg Subject: Re: The Knickerbocker Bros Dear David, Many thanks for this review -- I shall pass it on to Joe Foster at Rev-Ola and Jon "Mojo" Mills of Shindig magazine in the UK, who put me in touch with Joe. They contacted me several months ago, asking that I review Jon's liner notes and send them any additional information, comments, memorabilia, etc. I frankly was disappointed with their first CD release of the "Now And Them" album, as it did not contain the earlier versions of "Dirty Old Man" and "Square Room" -- which rightfully belonged on that CD. Turns out that they were running up against a deadline -- presumably self-imposed -- and were not able to access those tracks in time. Hence they opted to add them to the CD of the second album. They also added the final Tower label 45 by "Them", which includes only Alan Henderson from the "real" Them. Personally I don't think this 45 belongs on the CD (It should go with the Happy Tiger material), but here it is. I should also mention that Jon Mills makes several subjective statements about these two Them albums that I take issue with, but at least he took into account my corrections about factual matters, dates, etc. Perhaps you also have checked out the recent Rev-Ola CD of the "Belfast Gypsies" album -- Jon Mills sought my corrective comments on his draft liners for that one too, and pretty much ignored what I said to him -- but at least I got a free copy plus my name alongside Kim Fowley in the "special thanks" section. (Never thought I would be mentioned in the same breath as him!) So, David, how are you? What are you up to concerning all things Van? I have not yet picked up his new CD -- waiting for it to go on a sale price here in Seattle. Should I assume it works the same vein as Van's albums of the past decade, or is he up to anything new? I find that each of his last several CDs has a few really excellent tracks, alongside a lot of stuff that retreads old themes and melodies. The thing that most tires me is his rants against critics and even fans -- I hope he has moved on from beating that tired horse on this new CD? I would love to just bask in his singing and music. John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:05:18 -0000 From: S.J. Dibai Subject: Re: Phil's Spectre / Kit Kats Fred, Thanks for the kind words about the Kit Kats. > For those not familiar with the group, they were also > known later as the New Hope. Their local Hit was "Won't > Find Better Than Me", a song originally recorded by the > Kit Kats (different version). In fact, the "New Hope" version of that was the only record they had on the Hot 100, specifically at #57 in early 1970. Personally, I prefer the "Kit Kats" version, though I think the "New Hope" version is somewhat more creative. > As the New Hope, they also remade "Let's Get Lost On A > Country Road". If you listen closely to that, you'll notice it's actually just the Kit Kats recording with horn overdubs. Kind of hard to understand why they did that--actually, it's kind of hard to understand why most of the stuff on the New Hope LP ("To Understand Is To Love") had previously been relesed, sometimes in the same versions, under the Kit Kats name. Maybe they thought they could give their earlier material a wider airing now that they had a national hit. S.J. Dibai -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:30:59 -0000 From: Ken Silverwood Subject: Re: "When You Walk In The Room" Richard Williams: > He and the E Streeters did great covers in those days (I > remember a similarly moving "Pretty Flamingo" from the > Hammersmith shows). They did them with real affection and > with a poignancy that reflected Springsteen's awareness of > a disappearing past. He's still doing "Pretty Flamingo" along with "Quarter To Three", "Diddy Wah Diddy", "Raise Your Hand" and of course the obligatory resurrected "Twist & Shout" as of this October. He's a "keeper of the flame". Ken On The West Coast. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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