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Spectropop - Digest Number 1082

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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Jake Holmes; To That AG; The Ronstadt Law; WABC News; instrumentals
           From: Country Paul 
      2. Re: It's What's Happening Murray the K
           From: Joe Somsky 
      3. On the topic of Lulu...
           From: Scott 
      4. Re: Senator Bobby et al
           From: Phil Milstein 
      5. Re: The Hardly Worth It Players
           From: Herb 
      6. Bob & Earl; Mick's Spectre; Playboy; Peter Lacey; S&G
           From: Country Paul 
      7. Definitive Rock Chorale / Other Voices
           From: Mark 
      8. Hardy Boys
           From: Mark 
      9. Kurt Russell
           From: Mark 
     10. Bubblegum
           From: Mark 
     11. Korean releases
           From: Mark 
     12. The Sundowners
           From: Mark 
     13. The Coronados
           From: Mark 
     14. Da Doo Ron Ron the one & only 60s girl group club hosts Radio 1 party Sat 1st November
           From: Chris King 
     15. Re: More on UK covers
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
     16. Starsailor v. Dandy Warhols
           From: Keith Moore 
     17. Re: Alder Ray - 'Cause I Love Him
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
     18. Re: Inner Dialogue
           From: Patrick Rands 
     19. Re: US singers in foreign languages
           From: Hugo M. 
     20. Castaways single
           From: Bill George 
     21. Ellie's Birthday
           From: Joe Somsky 
     22. Rose Garden CD
           From: Mark 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:27:54 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Jake Holmes; To That AG; The Ronstadt Law; WABC News; instrumentals Phil C: > I know nothing of Jake Holmes, other than an album > I found lying around in the early 70s. I fell in love with > the title track "So Close, So Very Far To Go", and never > really played the rest of the LP. Was this a hit? I don't remember it, but remember hearing it. Jake Holmes' own comment on it: "I did. It was a Top Ten record in a lot of cities. We had a problem with distribution in some cities. It could have been Top Five. At that time, there were five other strong power ballads on the charts. I think there was a Michael Jackson song. It was fighting a pretty hard battle. But the problem with that song was . . . it would get to a radio station and do well after two weeks. Some of the stations would pull it after a week. It was a song that took awhile to get people's attention. Even that song, which I thought was pretty straight-forward, took a while for people to get. And the stations would pull it after a week just as it began to sell, but they wouldn't put it back in rotation. "I had this kid in New York, a place that never breaks records, and he adored it. He just went around and pushed it and pushed it. It was a Top Ten record in New York. It was a Top Ten record in probably ten cities. I got a lot of play out of it. It was a so-called hit. I got a lot of stuff out of it. I was able to do television. It was considered a hit by the industry." The above comes from an excellent on-line article and interview with Jake Holmes from 2001 at Perfect Sound Forever Magazine - home page , article (with great stories about the Tower albums, his Bob Gaudio collaborations, his work for Sinatra, and more). Apparently Holmes wrote "Dazed and Confused" and Led Zep never gave him any credit - or royalties, although the Yardbirds did on their cover of it. I've got to look and see if I still have any of his albums around. He was quite the protean musical adventurer. (And Phil M, I don't have the magazine you mentioned, but thanks for the referral.) That Alan Gordon: > We also wrote the late Zal Yanovsky single "As Long As You're Here". Good one! Regarding "Dew Drop Inn," Alan, is that the same song that Jean Mays did on Diamond? And if you know that record (or anyone here does), who the heck forgot to book a bass player?!? > My wife wants to know why I can't keep away from all you S'poppers. > BECAUSE I'M LOVIN THIS, THAT'S WHY! ...and we're tickled that you are. (I'm very lucky - my wife understands.) Chris A: > It's a bit reminiscent of what I always thought of as "The Ronstadt > Law": One can listen to L.R. and enjoy her versions of songs, and > there's good reason to enjoy them, but ... as soon as you hear the > originals you can never listen to the Ronstadt again. Agreed to a point, although I saw her on the tour that supported "How Do I Make You" in which she did - live - a lot of the covers you refer to. They rocked! Smoked! Contained all the energy that was lacking on the records! Wondering what I'd been missing, I went back to the albums and listened again. For the re-recordings, the "law" holds. But I wish I could have bottled that night.... Like Art Longmire, my favorite Ronstadt period was the Stone Poneys albums. For example, "December Dream" is damn near perfect. (I also got to meet her then - gorgeous, sweet, smart. The perfect combination.) But there are certainly later moments - check out Little Feat's "Voices In The Wind" from their first comeback period; Craig Fuller and Ronstadt do a duet that sends shivers down my spine every time I hear it. Simon White: > I always thought that [Lulu's] "To Sir With Love" and "I'll Come > Running Over" were the only half decent records she ever made. I second that, with my preference being "Running." Jim Allio: > I always dug Bobby Vee, too. Me, too. I discovered his early rockabilly and rock stuff on a reissue CD (Era, i think0 and he definitely has it. Also, I may be one of the few partial to the Robert Thomas Velline "progressive" album from '72. Me. re: WABC: > "News live at :55" was the handle; ABC for a time ran different > newscasts oriented to different demographics in their delivery > and content; "Contemporary" ran at :55, the mainstream on the hour. Phil M: > After posting my comment on WABC, I read up on the rationale for > their policy of news at 5 before the hour. The idea was not to > capture newshounds looking to get their fix ASAP, but rather the > opposite, to capture musichounds searching the dial for THEIR fix > once the other stations all went to news at straight-up time. You are indeed correct. That was the logic to placing the "contemporary" newscast at :55. Me again: > James Booker's amazing "Gonzo" (Peacock, 1961?)...Moe Koffman Quartet's > "Swingin' Shepherd Blues" ...Andre Previn/David Rose's "Like Young".... Phil M: > Are all of those versions straight instros, or instro-con-vocals? All straight instrumentals. The original "Like Young" is a "stringier" jazz feeling a la Henry Mancini's groundbreaking work on Peter Gunn and Mr. Lucky, and Previn's piano work is, as one would expect, delicious. (P. S. Rashkovsky, you're 100% right re: Ramsey Lewis' "In Crowd," which itself spawned a whole flock of sonic imitators, one of the better ones being "Hole In The Wall" by The Packers on Pure Soul. Another one for ya, Phil!) Martin Roberts: > the Jerome Brothers....[S]ome of their earlier doo-wop type material can > send me into raptures of delight! I'm trying to remember which artists they were involved with, but I'm blanking out. Any hints, please? Phil M: > The upcoming Disney movie "Brother Bear" includes a character that is a > grizzly cub named Koda. You mean someone at Disney is actually LISTENING?!? Catching up again and 6 days behind, Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:20:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Somsky Subject: Re: It's What's Happening Murray the K Charles Sheen wrote: > Hey everyone I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get a > copy of the "It's what's happening" show, and or the other show > Murray the K did for tv, on his web site if you click on one of > the little pictures they have 5 second clips of the artist, and > I gotta say IT IS HAPPENING. The best one(s) are the Drifters, > Martha Reeves and the Vandellas, and Otis Redding (I mean all he's > doing is snapping his fingers but it's cool). HI The Museum of Radio and Television in Midtown Manhattan has a copy to view only. I guess the same Museum in Los Angeles has a copy also, haven't seen it anywhere else. Hope this helps. Joe Ellie Greenwich Fan Club -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:09:05 -0500 From: Scott Subject: On the topic of Lulu... While we're chatting up Lulu, does anyone know where I might her version of the song "Maybe My Baby Will"? I believe Bernadette Peters recorded it around 1981. And the song's writer Toni Wine released it in 1975. So I would guess it was recorded in that time frame. Thanks! Scott in Houston -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:43:17 -0400 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Senator Bobby et al Alan Gordon (and others) wrote: > Does anyone have an mp3 they could play to musica? I remember > this version... funny stuff. I intend to do just that, as soon as I get a chance. While I'm at it I may also go after one or two of the other tracks on the LP. Hang in there, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:48:31 -0000 From: Herb Subject: Re: The Hardly Worth It Players Justin McDevitt wrote: > It is finally good to know who recorded this great send-up of > Wild Thing, of which I have a fairly decent copy on a cassette > tape. The Hardly Worth It players also did a great spoof on > Donovan's Mellow Yellow. I wonder if on or both of these tracks > are included on one of the Dr Dimento compilations? For your information: The two tracks, Wild Thing by Senator Bobby and Mellow Yellow by Senators Bobby & McKinley are on a CD called "All The Hits By All The Stars" Vol. 3 -- Liberty Bell PCB 7017. Those 2 songs come with: Birdland -- Chubby Checker So Much In Love -- The Tymes Not Me -- The Orlons Twist It Up -- Chubby Checker Wonderful! Wonderful! -- The Tymes Crossfire -- The Orlons Wild! -- Dee Dee Sharp Loddy Lo -- Chubby Checker Forget Him -- Bobby Rydell Hooka Tooka -- Chubby Checker Somewhere -- The Tymes Hey, Bobba Needle -- Chubby Checker Long Tall Sally -- The Kinks The 81 -- Candy & the Kisses Cast Your Fate To The Wind -- Sounds Orchestral Tossing And Turning -- The Ivy League This Can't Be True -- Eddie Holman 96 Tears (LP version)--? & the Mysterians I (Who Have Nothing) -- Terry Knight & the Pack Wild Thing -- Senator Bobby Mellow Yellow -- Senators Bobby & McKinley Let The Good Times Roll & Feel So Good -- Bunny Sigler Beg, Borrow And Steal -- The Ohio Express Heavy Music -- Bob Seger & the Last Heard Lovey Dovey/You're So Fine -- Bunny Sigler Herb (Toronto, Canada) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:59:46 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Bob & Earl; Mick's Spectre; Playboy; Peter Lacey; S&G Simon White re: Bob (s) And Earl: > For the full story, have a look at - > > It's well worth the trip ! Great story, and interesting site. Thank you for the link. I'm sure woven through this would be the story of Jesse Belvin, who also used many names to record a la Bobby Byrd. Ian Slater: > I think it's hard or impossible to over-rate the contribution Mick [Patrick] > has made to our hobby in creating so many great re-issues....the quality > shows in the results. What really amazes me is that all this is his hobby > too and he manages to do it all alongside his day-job and the rigours of > commuting into London. I second that. As I seem to be constantly catching up, I don't remember if I thanked Mick in public for including some quotes from my Carol Connors interview and giving me the happy surprise of a mention in the acknowledgements. And if I did say thanks already, Mick, it never hurts to say it twice! (And the album is a treat, too.) Rashkovsky: > Wasn't that used as the original theme song for the first Playboy's > Penthouse TV Show. Or am I the only one old enough to remember that show? I remember the show (I was 13 when it first aired). The original theme was an original theme - "Playboy's Theme" by Cy Coleman, issued on an early 45 on Playboy before the label became a full-scale business. The two sounded a bit alike, though. The following is from : Playboy's Penthouse T.V. Party (variety, hosted by Hugh Hefner) (Syndicated, 1959 - 1960) aka: "Playboy's Penthouse"; This was the first of two series attempted by the Editor of Playboy magazine ("Penthouse" magazine hadn't arrived.) Various young women ("Bunnies") provided cocktails to the guests in the background of the living room set, as a low-key series of guest discussions and musical performances took place -- a kind of "Tonight" show in pajamas, it never took off. (Perhaps Hef just wasn't a Johnny Carson.) In 1969, Hefner tried again with a similar variety show in a party setting, called "Playboy After Dark"... Moonie Wayne, re: "Earcandy for Country Paul": > The only link I can find for Peter Lacey is his record company site > which has two mp3's you scroll down to. I did hear more of Lacey's > music when David Ponak's "Liquid Room" was featured in these hallowed > pages: I also found another sample at Not Lame's site: You can also order it cheap ($11) at Will report after listening. Me: > "Simon belted out "Bridge Over Troubled Water" Bill George: > ??? That has to be a mistake. Why wouldn't Art be singing that? I just quoted from the news release, proving again that one shouldn't believe everything one reads in the papers. (But then again, Garfunkel isn't a belter, either....) So many excellent posts, so little time.... Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:27:54 -0000 From: Mark Subject: Definitive Rock Chorale / Other Voices I have the 4 singles by DRC and the 2 by Other Voices and they are all excellent. Just scanning some old posts on these 2 groups and I guess one of the song writers is a member. I would like to know if either group had any unreleased recordings or was what came out on 45 all there was? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:28:37 -0000 From: Mark Subject: Hardy Boys I really liked the first album but thought the second one was not nearly as strong. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:32:01 -0000 From: Mark Subject: Kurt Russell Don't know how many people know this but he recorded an album and some singles on Capitol and this is some great bubblegum. Not sure who I would compare his stuff to but definitely better than Bobby Sherman. More like Austin Roberts stuff under different names like Horizon, etc. Hard to find but well worth seeking out by gum fans. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:40:02 -0000 From: Mark Subject: Bubblegum Mark Frumento wrote: > My wife makes it easy for me... she calls everything I listen > to bubblegum. So there! Glad to hear I'm not the only one. All of my girlfriends have always called everything I listen to bubblegum as well. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:45:02 -0000 From: Mark Subject: Korean releases What is the deal with these things? I see a Twinn Connexion release (but without the 4 unreleased songs) and now I see a posting for The Match LP. Are these legit CDs off of mastertapes or are they just cleaned up vinyl bootlegs (which I could do myself and save $20). Anyone know? And where would Korea get 30+ year old American mastertapes from anyways? I don't imagine that Decca Korea or RCA Korea were big 60s labels. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:47:15 -0000 From: Mark Subject: The Sundowners Does anyone know if the this excellent group which recorded one album on Decca, had any other recordings? There are several other groups by that name on various labels and I'm wondering if any of them are these guys. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:49:17 -0000 From: Mark Subject: The Coronados Does anyone know anything about this group? They apparently were a Spanish group of 2 guys and a girl, had an LP and singles on Jubilee, a single on Parliament, a single on RCA and who knows what else. There are more Coronados recordings going back to the early 60s on various labels and I'm wondering if they are all this same group. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:49:16 +0100 From: Chris King Subject: Da Doo Ron Ron the one & only 60s girl group club hosts Radio 1 party Sat 1st November Dear fellow UK-based Spectropoppers - Just a brief mail to let you that Da Doo Ron Ron - the one & only 60s girl group club - have been chosen to host the Radio 1 Live In Brighton party on Saturday 1st November. It's happening @ our regular venue, the sumptious Sussex Arts Club, 07 , Ship Street, here in glorious Brighton, BN1. Tel:-01273-778020. Doors swing open @ 11pm & shut at 2am. Admission is 4 if names are E-mailed in advance via or a fiver on the door on the night. DJs Chris 'Da Doo' King & Si Bridger will be spinning their familiar mix of 60s girly sounds a-go-go from the likes of The Ronettes, Dusty, Supremes, Marvelettes, Lesley Gore, Barbara Lewis, Chris Clark, Shangri-La's, Petula, Lulu, Helen Shapiro, Vandellas, Brenda Holloway, Shirley Bassey & so on. You'll NEVER hear a MALE lead vocal @ DDRR! For more info check the DDRR web-site: Oodles of thanks for your indulgence, Chris Da Doo -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:17:05 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: More on UK covers Mike Edwards: > Bobby Day's "Over And Over" is indeed a gem and far better > than the a-side, "Rockin' Robin". The DC5 version has an aura > attached to it. It was released way after the practice of UK > bands covering US material had gotten old and the DC5 themselves > were coming off the boil in both the US and UK. The band went > back to their Tottenham Royal roots one more time to come up with > a stomping version of a little know US song. It bombed in the UK > but went to # 1 in the US and became the last hit of the British > Invasion. In the liner notes for the Hollywood 2-CD set Dave Clark explained that the great tremelo effect on the harmonica solo was caused by a piece of "cello tape" on the capstan shaft (the round piece of metal near the heads of a reel-to-reel tape deck that moves the tape along) that was used to speed up the pitch of the track. The DC5 also went back to the oldies stack for "You Got What It Takes" in 1967, which was their last big USA hit. Strange that the DC5 had a little revival in the UK in 1968-70. One UK cover that beats a USA original hands down is the Merseys' cover of the McCoys "Sorrow". The McCoys do a good job but the Merseys speed up the tempo and add some awesome orchestration. I first heard it on a Sire records "History of the British Invasion" LP that I picked up at Woolsworth (for proably $3.99!) And the Action's cover of the Temptations' "Since I Lost My Baby" is excellent though I think it would have sounded better with the lush orchestration of the Motown original. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:53:19 -0000 From: Keith Moore Subject: Starsailor v. Dandy Warhols I think most of the comments about Starsailor are too kind to them. They're a complete bunch of dullards and I'm amazed Phil Spector ever thought they were worth working with. Terrible band, singer and songs. ...But if any spectropop fans fancy something a bit contemporary to listen I'd like to point them in the direction of the Dandy Warhols. A few months ago they released "We used to be friends", perhaps the best update of the Archies sound since the heyday of Voice of the Beehive, packed full of "sugars" and "honeys" and incredibly catchy. Their album "Welcome to the Monkey House" draws on a variety of other influences, including glam rock and synth pop, and features another Archies-ish tune "The dandy warhols love almost everyone". Dump your Starsailor discs!! Buy the Dandy Warhols!! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:23:26 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: Alder Ray - 'Cause I Love Him For Martin: Sounds like one of the channels shorted out on the cable you used to transfer your minidisc audio to your computer (or it became loose in the back). On "Cause I love Him" the backing track is mixed on the left, my guess is your left channel got disconnected. Most of that LP is in mono so you couldn't tell until you got to Alder's track. Also be sure to use your soundcard/computer LINE input and not the MIC input for transferring audio to your PC. Hope this helps Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:24:09 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: Inner Dialogue Paul Richards wrote: > Just got this LP through the post today. Wonderful weirdness, a bit > like a further out Free Design. The first Inner Dialogue album is indeed an amazing Free Design styled record and was reissued on vinyl only (I'm pretty sure) with input from members of the band (in the form of some new liner notes). The story involving Gene DiNovi and Tony Velona is an interesting one. I'm not sure if this reissue is still available. They had a second lp entitled Friend which wasn't nearly as good, but still worth hearing if you are a fan. In particular, I dug their version of The Beatles' Cry Baby Cry. It would be wonderful to get a cd reissue including both lps on one cd. :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:52:51 -0000 From: Hugo M. Subject: Re: US singers in foreign languages Shucks, Phil, that WOULD be a fun thing to upload, you're right... but I don't have the technology. I can't even dub cassettes right now. Maybe next time I call in a favor and ask somebody to copy some things for me I'll try to figure a way to do it... Nobody's mentioned the albums in Italian that Fabian and Paul Anka recorded. Too early for 'our purposes'? HUP-di-nanana! Hugo M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:42:21 -0000 From: Bill George Subject: Castaways single Does anyone have a copy of The Castaways single Wild Boy / Tarzan? The A-side was written by Phil Everly, and both sides were produced by Jackie DeShannon and Shari Sheeley. I'd love to get a copy (or at least hear it!) Thanks. - Bill -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:04:16 -0000 From: Joe Somsky Subject: Ellie's Birthday Hi Fans Thank You ALL for attending the Lou Christie Show at the Bottom Line in Manhattan on Tuesday night. Among the audience celebs were the Shepherd Sisters! Billy J. Kramer, Jay Seigel, Fan Club Members and many record collectors. The Ellie Greenwich Fan Club will be celebrating our 20th anniversary in January! What a treat knowing all of YOU for so many years! A very happy birthday today to our wonderful legendary lady! Joe Somsky Ellie Greenwich Fan Club Wow! Collectors were thrilled meeting the Shepherd Sisters! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:18:16 -0000 From: Mark Subject: Rose Garden CD CCM strikes again. Rose Garden had 1 10-track LP and 2 non-LP sides so of course CCM puts out the album and leaves off the 2 sides of the single. That is so weak. I take back my prior comment that they are like Collectibles with a better catalogue. They're worse than Collectibles because Collectibles would have added the 2 songs. And now the market is ruined for anyone else to put the LP out with their complete output. CCM should do us a favor and NOT release these things if they can't do them right. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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