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Spectropop - Digest Number 1080



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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Barbara Acklin
           From: Shawn Baldwin 
      2. Re: Sen Robert Kennedy and "Wild Thing"
           From: Den 
      3. Re: The Beach Boys vs. the Four Seasons
           From: Steve Harvey 
      4. Re: Better Covers
           From: David Coyle 
      5. Re. Sen Robert Kennedy and "Wild Thing"
           From: Rat Pfink 
      6. Re: Sen Robert Kennedy and "Wild Thing"
           From: Paul Balser 
      7. Re: Mello Cads Live This Friday
           From: James Botticelli 
      8. Mac Davis -- A life in rock and roll
           From: Hugo M. 
      9. Re British Remakes & Foreign Language Remakes
           From: Tony Baylis 
     10. Re: Simon & Garfunkel + The Everly Brothers
           From: Karl Baker 
     11. Mitch Albom meets Simon & Garfunkel
           From: Andrew Jones 
     12. Re. Sen Robert Kennedy and "Wild Thing"
           From: Phil Milstein 
     13. Re: The Beach Boys vs. the Four Seasons
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 


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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:19:11 -0500 From: Shawn Baldwin Subject: Re: Barbara Acklin James Botticelli wrote: > ... But the music is great, Barbara being essential to any > Chi-Town soul collector worth the name. For my money? "I'll > Bake Me A Man" runs the show, but that's just me. Love me some Barbara Acklin LOVE MAKES A WOMAN! Shawn -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:16:09 -0400 From: Den Subject: Re: Sen Robert Kennedy and "Wild Thing" A series of Senator Bobby singles (and an album) were released under the name of The Hardly-Worthit Players in 1967. The voice of "Bobby" was credited to a Bill Minchin. I think some of these guys later on went to be a part of the 2nd City comedy troupe. At least 3 singles were released on the Parkway label, and a final one was released on RCA in the spring of 1968. The events of June 1968 put an abrupt end to the Senator Bobby parodies. Den. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: The Beach Boys vs. the Four Seasons Andrew Hickey re. "East Meets West": > And on paper is where it should have stayed - it sounds exactly > like the dozen or so other flop non-album tracks the Beach Boys > put out in the 80s (Problem Child, California Dreaming, Rock & > Roll To The Rescue etc), just a tired, badly performed song about > how great it was back in those crazy 60s, with bad 80s production > to boot... I disagree! It's really Fankie Valli and the Beach Boys, but it's a much better tune than most of the ones the Beach Boys did with other acts. The production is a little slick, but the tune is not bad. Better than alot of the later stuff the Boys put out. I'd rather listen to it than "Kokomo" any day. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:30:54 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Better Covers Mike Edwards wrote: > ("You're No Good" by the Swinging Blue Jeans) was one of > the five best examples of a UK cover being better than the > original US version. The others are: > Dave Clark 5 - "Over And Over" (Bobby Day) > Dave Clark 5 - "Do You Love Me" (Contours) > Searchers - "Love Potion No. 9" (Clovers) > Beatles - "Rock And Roll Music" (Chuck Berry) "Over And Over" by the Dave Clark 5 better than the original?? I personally don't think so. There's an argument over on the Garage66 list right now about the British Invasion, where the DC5 are having their share of defenders and detractors, as they have since 1964. I personally like them, but agree that a lot of their tracks, especially covers, can be samey, with that stomping beat and unison vocals. "Over And Over" by Bobby Day, which I was recently reacquainted with via Varese's "American Roots Of The British Invasion" compilations, swings in a way the DC5's version never could compete with. The "doo-oots" in the backing vocals trucks it along. Besides, the DC5 didn't even get all the words right, singing "everybody there was there" (or "dead"?) instead of "everybody there went stag." As far as the Swinging Blue Jeans' version of "You're No Good," I agree it's a great version, but is it really definitive? Or do you mean definitive UK version? I always thought the Linda Ronstadt version was definitive, at least it's the one everyone knows. Her version of "Silver Threads And Golden Needles" is harder to place next to the Springfields version, which is probably the best-known version on most traditional "oldies" stations. As far as "When Will I Be Loved" or "That'll Be The Day," the originals are still the greatest, as Dobie Gray would sing (or Ramsey Lewis would play). David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:18:52 -0400 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re. Sen Robert Kennedy and "Wild Thing" Mac Joseph wrote: > In 1967 somebody did a parody of Sen. Bobby Kennedy singing > "Wild Thing". Through my research, I found out later that > the singer was a guy by the name of "Bobby Pickett". So here > is my question: Is this the same Bobby "Boris" Pickett, from > "Monster Mash" fame, or someone else. Or was my research wrong. Your research may be wrong. According to Joel Whitburn's Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits, "Senator Bobby" was someone named Bill Minkin of The Hardly-Worthit Players. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:45:26 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Paul Balser Subject: Re: Sen Robert Kennedy and "Wild Thing" Bob Bailey: > While we're at it, anyone have an mp3 of this, as this will > be an addition to my Top 200 Hits of 1967. I've got one in my CD archives. If I can find it I'll put it up. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:19:10 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Mello Cads Live This Friday David Ponak wrote: > Also, our new CD, "Gentle Explosion", comes out 10/22 in Japan > on Philter records. Hey David! Are the Mello Cads going for Baroque??? Hahahahahahaha. Congratulations on a new CD. The sample songs sound great. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:49:21 -0000 From: Hugo M. Subject: Mac Davis -- A life in rock and roll Oops, Clark caught me in a dumb mistake, wrong song title. Mac Davis wrtote that Everyday People said? Reminds me of a 45 he put out @ '65, jumping on the protest-song bandwagon; a two-sided Sonny Bono imitation called "Bad Scene/I Protest". Extremely funny, though I'm not sure if the humor was intentional... And THAT reminds me of an off-the-wall foreign-language cover-version... Mexican band Los Teen Tops, who started out as rockabillies in 1959/60, doing a mid-70's version of 'Rub It In' by Crash Craddock, queasily surreal. I could play this game all day... bang-bang, shoot-shoot... Hugo M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 03:03:05 -0000 From: Tony Baylis Subject: Re British Remakes & Foreign Language Remakes I suggest no list of top British remakes would be complete without 'Only Sixteen' by Craig Douglas. One of the very (IMHO) few that was better than Sam Cooke's original - although that too was excellent. I have a Neil Sedaka cd on which is offered .. Mi Vecinita (Next Door To An Angel) - Spanish Es Dificil Decir Adios (Breaking Up Is Hard To Do) - Spanish Feliz Cumpleanos, Dulce Dieciseis (Happy Birthday Sweet 16) - Spanish Un Giorno Inutile (I Must Be Dreaming) - Italian A 16 Anni Tu Vuoi Amare (It Hurts To Be 16) - Italian Kinda neat !! Tony Baylis -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:26:48 -0400 From: Karl Baker Subject: Re: Simon & Garfunkel + The Everly Brothers Mary S: > Wow! If I didn't fear for the safety of my eardrums, I'd give > virtually anything to attend the Simon and Garfunkel "Old Friends" > Tour that even includes my all-time favorite harmony singers, the > Everly Brothers!!!! I have no idea why the volume is always cranked > up so high at all concerts, even ones of gentle pop music. Why do > people want to hear music played at such an outrageous volume? It > actually is painful to the ears!! The volume is necessary to drown out all of the jackasses who - despite having shelled out mucho bucks to get in to the show - insist upon singing along and/or whooping at the top of their lungs. Guess that's why I haven't been to a concert in a large venue for a very long time. Karl Baker -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:37:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Jones Subject: Mitch Albom meets Simon & Garfunkel With all the talk about the Simon & Garfunkel reunion tour, I can't resist sharing this. Most of you (at least in the US) know Mitch Albom as a bestselling author ("Tuesdays with Morrie") and as a sports columnist. Some of you may also know that Mitch hosts a syndicated radio talk-show. A few days ago on that show, Mitch told about how he and Art Garfunkel were conversing in a restaurant, apparently just before the tour began...when who should walk up to the table but Paul Simon himself! The conversation continued, and turned to the baseball playoffs. Apparently Paul and Artie had a slight difference of opinion about who were the better teams, and Mitch just sat there petrified, thinking "Oh no, now they're gonna get into another big argument, the whole reunion tour will be cancelled and it'll be partly MY fault!" Happily, that didn't happen (yet), and the tour's still on. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:19:39 -0400 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re. Sen Robert Kennedy and "Wild Thing" Rat Pfink wrote: > Your research may be wrong. According to Joel Whitburn's > Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits, "Senator Bobby" was > someone named Bill Minkin of The Hardly-Worthit Players. Minkin's cohorts in The Hardly-Worthit Players were Steve Baron and Dennis Wholey. (The group name was a pun on "The Huntley-Brinkley Report," NBC-TV's nightly news program at the time.) Interestingly, Wholey's partner in putting the "whole" affair together was Chip Taylor, who we all know as the author of "Wild Thing," the group's big hit. Other pieces on their "Boston Soul" LP include: King Of The Road with Mr. President (parody of Lyndon Johnson) The Motown Sound Daydream with William Rebuttley, Jr. (parody of conservative commentator William Buckley) Mellow Yellow with Senators McKinley and Bobby 96 Tears with Senator Bobby and the Questions White Christmas with Bobby the Poet Most of these pieces are in the style of their take on "Wild Thing." The last one, however, diverges in that a) it is a parody not of a current politician but rather of Bob Dylan, and b) it weaves that into a parody of Simon & Garfunkel's "Silent Night/3 A.M. News." As I recall the voicing was one of the better Dylan parodies that I've heard. The "Boston Soul" LP was a follow-up to their debut, "The Hardly-Worthit Report." Most oddly, the caption under a photo of Taylor and Wholey that ran rather prominently on the back cover reads: "Co-Producers Chip Taylor and Dennis Wholey, who, after producing their first album, 'The Hardly-Worthit Report,' under the clever name of C & D Productions (Chip and Dennis) decided that they should rename their partnership with a catchier title, as is usual in the recording industry. Henceforth, they will do business under the name of: Taylor-Wholey Productions, Ltd." That text reads much like the type you might find on a demo recording sent out to the advertising industry, which leads me to wonder if that wasn't one of the motives behind these two albums, i.e. they might've been pitching themselves as something of a latter-day Stan Freberg-type company. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 04:21:49 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: The Beach Boys vs. the Four Seasons > And on paper is where it should have stayed - it sounds exactly > like the dozen or so other flop non-album tracks the Beach Boys > put out in the 80s (Problem Child, California Dreaming, Rock & > Roll To The Rescue etc), just a tired, badly performed song about > how great it was back in those crazy 60s, with bad 80s production > to boot... Im not impressed with the production or song (though it has some nice hooks and a really nice vocal "swell" near the end where Frankie adds some nice "ooohs" on top) it was kind of cool to hear Brian and Frankie together on one 45. But it does sounds like they just Fed-Ex'd the master tape to wherever each member of the Beach Boys was to add thier vocals onto it. Like most of the Beach Boys 80's and early 90's output it never sounds like the group was in the same room at the same time, just phoning in thier parts to a pre-programmed track. "No Surfin Today" is a great song though! - the group was clearly making fun of the Beach Boys and all the teenage tragedy/death hits ("Tell Laura I Love Her", "Last Kiss") that were hot in the early 60's. Its another one of those great seasons B-sides that could have eaisly been pulled as a A-side and charted. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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