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Spectropop - Digest Number 1064



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There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Metropolitan Soul Show - playlist 12th October 2003
           From: Simon White 
      2. that Alan Gordon
           From: Artie Wayne 
      3. Re: THAT Alan Gordon, Preston Ritter, Playboy Records, "You Can Count on Me"
           From: Scott Charbonneau 
      4. Re: Instrumentals with lyrics
           From: Kurt Benbenek 
      5. Re: Yet another query for That Alan Gordon
           From: That Alan Gordon 
      6. "Hold On, Baby" from the River Deep - Mountain High LP
           From: Don Charles 
      7. Re: Melancholy Music Man
           From: That Alan Gordon 
      8. Re: What is this song? (SOLVED!)
           From: Orion 
      9. Re: The Hudson Brothers
           From: Andrew Hickey 
     10. Re: Multiples
           From: James Botticelli 
     11. Re: Randy Newman / Alan Gordon
           From: Orion 
     12. Re: Whatever Happened To Happy
           From: Michel Gignac 
     13. Re: THAT Alan Gordon, Preston Ritter, Playboy Records, "You Can Count  on Me"
           From: That Alan Gordon 
     14. Re: "You Can Count on Me"
           From: Guy Lawrence 
     15. Hudson Bros
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
     16. Re: "Hold On, Baby" from the River Deep - Mountain High LP
           From: Phil Chapman 
     17. Re: ORPHEUS for Tom
           From: Jimmy Crescitelli 
     18. Re: Instrumentals with lyrics
           From: TD 
     19. Birthdays; deadrolls; more
           From: Country Paul 
     20. Re: Yet another query for That Alan Gordon
           From: James Botticelli 
     21. Re: Words or music
           From: That Alan Gordon 
     22. Let's Call It A Day Girl
           From: Mike Andersen 
     23. Re: Orpheus
           From: Art Longmire 
     24. Re: Orpheus
           From: James Botticelli 
     25. Re: That Alan Gordon
           From: That Alan Gordon 


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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:52:22 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Metropolitan Soul Show - playlist 12th October 2003 Metropolitan Soul Show - playlist 12th October 2003 The Silhouettes Not Me Baby Johnny Bragg They're Talking About Me Herb Ward Strange Change The Servicemen I'll Stop Loving You The Olympics Looking For A Love The Ivories Please Stay The Cooperettes Shing A Ling The Harvey Averne Dozen Shake Your Money Maker Mongo Santamaria The Now Generation Little Richard You Better Stop Robert Parker Happy Feet Errol Dixon The Hoop Eddie Floyd Things Get Better George Freeman Why Are You Doing This To Me Jewel Akens I've Arrived Henry Strogin Misery Hank George Jackson That Lonely Night Doug Banks I Just Kept On Dancing Lenny Welch My Fool Of A Heart Temptations Aint To Proud To Beg Marvellos Why Do You Want To Hurt The One Who Loves You Olympics Girl You're My Kind Of People New Sound Don't Take Your Love From Me Dells All About The Paper Toby King We're In Love With Each Other Diane Ducane Better Late Than Never Archie Bell You're Such A Beautiful Child Bobby Joy You Sweet Devil You 21st Century Your Smallest Wish Tavares Being With You Jean Wells With My Love And What You've Got Baby Jean If You Wanna Ad Libs Johnny My Boy Timi Yuro Insult To Injury Pookie Hudson Jealous Heart Thornton Sisters Big City Boy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 06:24:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Artie Wayne Subject: that Alan Gordon Alan........How ya' doin'? I'd like to join the legion of Spectropoppers in welcoming you to the site. Although we were "neighbors", on the same floor for a couple of years at 1650 B'way, somehow we never met. I'm not surprised that many of the great songs that you and Gary wrote have withstood the test of time. You must be proud to have been such a positive force in music during one of the most difficult times in American History. This morning I woke up with "Happy Together" running through my head........not by the Turtles.....but a yet-to-be recorded version by the country group Rascal Flatts. Then I heard Faith Hill and Tim McGraw do their unrecorded duet.......followed by the unrecorded version of the song by pop group Fountains of Wayne. I think that "Happy Together" is more relevant now than it was when you wrote it........and should be number one again!! Regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:13:56 -0000 From: Scott Charbonneau Subject: Re: THAT Alan Gordon, Preston Ritter, Playboy Records, "You Can Count on Me" > Welcome to Alan Gordon! I have only heard "Invitation to Cry" > (through its inclusion on the original "Nuggets" double LP), > but it's quite a tune and I'd like to hear more Magicians tracks! Check out Sundazed's Magicians collection. Invitation To Cry is but one of many great tracks to be found on it. Even better, in my humble opinion, is Lady Fingers with its trippy guitar work and lovely harmonies. Also good is I'll Tell The World About You and the two David Blue covers, About My Love and I'd Like To Know. Should be available via their web site. Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:29:23 -0700 From: Kurt Benbenek Subject: Re: Instrumentals with lyrics > Walk, don't you run, better walk don't you run now; > Walk, don't you run - Better walk, don't you run now. > Walk and don't run - better walk, don't run, don't run, don't > ru-u-u-n!" Tom, RE: your lyrics... so far so good...but what about the middle part of the song? We need lyrics to the whole song. Get to it, I know you'll come up with something good. Speaking of instrumentals... I'd struggled for years trying to come up with a list of my favorite songs ...without including instrumentals. I finally realised that my top three favorite pop songs ARE instrumentals. 1) Green Onions - BT and the MGs 2) Pipeline - Chantays 3) Last Night - Mar-Keys I find that instrumentals tend not to burn out so quickly or become tiresome after repeated listenings. As we know, a perfectly good song can be ruined with poor lyrics or singing that doesn't quite fit. In my opinion, the only song with lyrics that even comes close to the 3 songs above is "Proud Mary" by CCR. It has near-perfect lyrics, spot-on rhythm, tasteful guitar solo, etc Kurt -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:25:27 -0700 (MST) From: That Alan Gordon Subject: Re: Yet another query for That Alan Gordon DC wanted my take on the village scene in the 60s. Well, it was fantastic. The Magicians played at the Night Owl, before that I was in Tex and the Chex, we played at the Cinderella club, and Trudy Heller's 8th Wonder [complete with go-go girls in cages]. We hung out with the Strangers, Blues Magoos [I wrote with Ritchie Adams "Gotta Get Away" on their single]. David Blue brought Dylan in to see us perform one of David's songs we did "I'd Like to Know" by the way. They both left after that song!!! We hung out at Googies, the Kettle of Fish and oh yes Jimi Hendrix played around the corner at the cafe wha.You get the idea, it was HEAVEN. Best That Alan Gordon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:59:00 -0000 From: Don Charles Subject: "Hold On, Baby" from the River Deep - Mountain High LP Can the authorship of this song be verified? On my copy of this album, the credits go to Spector, Greenwich and Barry, but the song isn't credited to any of these writers in the BMI database. Are you there, Mick Patrick? Your knowledge and expertise is needed here. Don "Stuffed Animal" Charles -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:46:28 -0700 (MST) From: That Alan Gordon Subject: Re: Melancholy Music Man James, that is the same Magicians. Best That Alan Gordon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:54:10 -0400 From: Orion Subject: Re: What is this song? (SOLVED!) Tom: > It certainly is a snazzy little pop tune. I wonder > if it ever charted. That song [As They Fall] didn't chart at all, Orpheus (a group from the Boston area) did chart with a song entitled "Brown Arms From Houston". I think they also had another minor hit but I can't think of the name of it. I have their double CD and I have all of the LPs. Orion -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:04:10 +0100 From: Andrew Hickey Subject: Re: The Hudson Brothers Rat Pfink wrote: > "So You Are A Star" was definitely Beatles/Badfinger style pop, > however "Rendezvous" was more of a Beach Boys pastiche. Not surprising, as it was co-written (and produced?) by Bruce Johnston during his time away from the BBs in the mid-70s. Bruce did a horrible version of the same song on his appalingly bad solo album Goin' Public around the same time. So You Are A Star is a wonderful McCartney-esque ballad, the kind of thing Badfinger used to do well. Anyone who likes that song should check out the Wondermints' cover version on Wonderful World Of The Wondermints. -- http://stealthmunchkin.com Stealth Munchkin play the Cavern, Liverpool, Wednesday 15th October As part of International Pop Overthrow. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:24:02 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Multiples Me: > I heard the two Alans are taking on the four Arties at a party. Mark Frumento: > That's good because Mark Wirtz, me and a bunch of the other > Marks aren't up for it. Mark my werdz...it will happen. "And in this corner, clocking in at a collective 700 lbs....." -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:02:59 -0400 From: Orion Subject: Re: Randy Newman / Alan Gordon That Alan Gordon :) Just a quick question that I have wondered about. Were you the "Wordman" to the music or the "notes" or both? Any idea of a percentage of songs are totally done by the same person? Just a thought and probably only means something to me. Peace Orion -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:28:06 -0000 From: Michel Gignac Subject: Re: Whatever Happened To Happy Ken Silverwood wrote: > Didn't the Mojo Men also do "Me About You" as well? > Ken On The West Coast. Ken, "Me About You" indeed charted in 1967 by The Mojo Men. I hope Alan will pardon my indiscretion, but here are excerpts of messages that we exchanged: Alan: > Michel. Thank you for those nice words. Did You like the > Mojo's version of "Me About You"? Me: What an honor for me to communicate with such a great writer as you! Incidentally, here in Canadian province of Quebec, there were French covers of songs like Happy Together (Heureux tous les deux), She'd Rather Be With Me (Les Filles)and surely others. I first heard Me About You on a Turtles' re-issue single, in early seventies. What a song ! The first time I heard Mojo's version was in 1993. It's striking how arrangements of songs can be so different and also so marvelous ! There is also Gary Lewis' version, which is a slow one. I see many of your songs on Gary's masterpiece album Listen (New Day, Small Talk, Jill, She'd Rather Be With Me). Many songs also on New Direction LP. What about "Girls In Love"! So many of my favorite songs are composed by you ! Did and do you prefer to write words or music ? Alan: > Dear Michel, Your kind words mean so much to me. being a > songwriter can be a lonely occupation. I have been very > Blessed having my songs played all over the world, and when > I hear from such wonderful people who take the time to tell > me they appreciate my work well Michel You can understand > how special that make`s me feel. Now regarding your question. > I love writing BOTH lyric`s and music.a writer is always > rewriting, always trying to make it better and better. By the > way are you familiar with the songs I've written for Barbra > Streisand."My Heart Belongs To Me" was a big hit, hope you get > to hear it. Once again thank YOU so much for the kind words. > All My Best > Alan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:40:49 -0700 (MST) From: That Alan Gordon Subject: Re: THAT Alan Gordon, Preston Ritter, Playboy Records, "You Can Count on Me" Mark wanted to know where he could hear more Magician tracks. You might check out the Sundazed CD. A get-well prayer goes out to Mike Smith from all of us. And Mark, I wish you a full recovery as well! That Alan Gordon -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:34:57 +0100 From: Guy Lawrence Subject: Re: "You Can Count on Me" Mark sent me here: > I don't remember who wanted to hear "You Can Count on Me" by > Sammy Davis Jr., but there is an RA of it (and countless other > Northern soul tracks) on this site: http://the.soulclub.org Wonderful site! I got so involved in listening to other things I forgot all about Sammy! The most interesting thing I found there was Chubby Checker's version of Mann & Weil's "Looking At Tomorrow". This gorgeous song was also recorded by Barry Mann himself and the Standells, whose version remained unreleased until the nineties. For me, this is quintessential Mann/Weil - anyone know of any other versions? The more I delve into Chubby Checker's later singles the more good stuff I find. I recently came across "Karate Monkey" which is a real gem. Obviously, I wouldn't be the first one here to bemoan the current status of the Cameo Parkway back catalogue. Anyway, like I say it's a great site but as the internet so often does, it sent me off on a tangent! Guy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TweedleeDumsDrive-In/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:39:16 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Hudson Bros Rat Pfink wrote - > "So You Are A Star" was definitely Beatles/Badfinger style > pop, however "Rendezvous" was more of a Beach Boys pastiche. Quite right indeed about 'Rendezvous', which of course Bruce Johnston did nicely on his solo album. It got a fair bit of radio play in the UK to trail the album. Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:05:46 +0100 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: "Hold On, Baby" from the River Deep - Mountain High LP > Can the authorship of this song [Hold On, Baby] be verified? > On my copy of this album, the credits go to Spector, Greenwich > and Barry, but the song isn't credited to any of these writers > in the BMI database. Don, if you go to http://repertoire.bmi.com/startpage.asp and search "Hold On Baby" (without the comma), the first result will be the song credited to Jeff & Ellie, as indeed it is on the original 1966 UK release of the RDMH album. Phil's name was added to the '69 US release, and "You're So Fine" was superseded by the utterly fantastic "I'll Never Need More Than This". Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:08:12 EDT From: Jimmy Crescitelli Subject: Re: ORPHEUS for Tom Hi, I just checked my threadbare copy of Joel Whitburn's 1955-1972 charted record sbook... Orpheus had two items that charted: Brown Arms In Houston, MGM 14022, May 1969; hit #91... and Can't Find the Time, MGM 13882, August 1969; hit #80. Jimmy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:26:20 -0400 From: TD Subject: Re: Instrumentals with lyrics When Nelson Riddle plays "The Theme to the Untouchables", my brother and I sing the esoteric lyrics: Happy! I'm so happy/ Oh so very happy/ I'm happy all day long! Happy! I'm so happy/ Oh so very happy/ And sing this happy song! My merry friends and I we laugh We love to sing and laugh and laugh We almost laugh ourselves in half and why-y-y? It's because we are happy, oh so happy.... -- TD -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:38:23 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Birthdays; deadrolls; more Happy Birthday, Anita Kerr (b. October 13, 1927) and Paul Simon and Pamela Tiffin (both b. October 13, 1942) - not to mention Marie Osmond (b. October 13, 1959), so I won't! On 1963, the term "Beatlemania" was coined after the Beatles appear at the Palladium; my source does not give credit or blame to those responsible for it. And in 1974, Ed Sullivan (Ed Sullivan Show) died at 73. Been away for the weekend, so here's more catch-up: Phil M: > While we're issuing musica requests, I'd love to hear Eric > Burdon's version of "Mama Told Me Not To Come". I cut my > teeth on 3 Dog Night's great version. My bid goes for the same artist's version of "I Think It's Going To Rain Today." And I stand corrected: Judy Collins' version came out in November 1966. Welcome, "Alphonse!" It's great to have another first-person resource aboard. Repeating and adding to my comment about Garry Bonner's gorgeous version of "Me About You," were there more songs at that session/those sessions which didn't come out and might have yielded an album? Phil M: > ..back in the late '60s and early '70s...the NYC Top 40 station- > of-record WABC would regularly play out to the news with an > instrumental, which they would then fade out when the time came > for the news to take over (which, for some reason, would occur at > 5 minutes before the hour), no matter where in the record that > would be. At the time I thought every music station did this, but > in hindsight I can see that it was simply the lazy DJ's way of > time-syncing. "News live at :55" was the handle; ABC for a time ran different newscasts oriented to different demographics in their delivery and content; "Contemporary" ran at :55, the mainstream on the hour. WABC starting the record was indeed the lazy way of doing it, but it guaranteed an overlap to the news. Typically, the technique was "dead-rolling," where you'd start, for example, a 2:30 record at exactly 57:30 with the volume down (thus the term, dead roll), talk out of your vocal and fade the instrumental up under your rant. Records with great endings were often favored; timing a slam-bang closer against the news was considered to be high art. Of course, sometimes the news was late - or we mis-timed the deadroll! To the folks who cited Les Cooper's "Wiggle Wobble" and King Curtis' "Soul Twist," thank you! I also forgot to mention the Fireballs' hook-laden "Quite A Party" on Warwick. More soon, Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:35:43 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Yet another query for That Alan Gordon That Alan Gordon wrote: > I wrote with Ritchie > Adams "Gotta Get Away" on their single One of the bestest flipsides. "Gotta get away, gotta get away, gotta get away, I wanna be free HEY hey HEY hey HEY hey... We lip-synched it as kidz in my friend's basement! JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:45:40 -0700 (MST) From: That Alan Gordon Subject: Re: Words or music Orion wondered if I wrote words or music.... I would most often come up with an inspiration for a song, sit down with Garry or by myself and off we'd go. I do write both. I have composed about 300 songs, mostly alone, but when collaborating with Garry Bonner, we would spend hours and hours working on a song. I have no idea what % of writers do when they write. Best, That Alan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:48:29 EDT From: Mike Andersen Subject: Let's Call It A Day Girl I'd be interested to know if anyone has any information about this song by the Razor's Edge. It was minor hit that got some airplay where I was in 1966. I don't think I've heard it since then, but as I recall it could pass for a Four Seasons song to the casual listener. I've been searching around to see if it's ever been released on CD, but have come up empty, so far. Would appreciate any information that anyone can pass along. Mike Anderson -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 21:53:14 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: Re: Orpheus Jimmy Crescitelli wrote: > I just checked my threadbare copy of Joel Whitburn's 1955-1972 > charted records book... Orpheus had two items that charted: > Brown Arms In Houston, MGM 14022, May 1969; hit #91... > and Can't Find the Time, MGM 13882, August 1969; hit #80. I'd love to hear the commercial with Orpheus. I haven't heard much from them other than my 45 of "Can't Find The Time" (purchased in 1984) which is of course gorgeous. I also like their song "Lesley's World" but didn't see it on the greatest hits CD. Art -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:37:15 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: Orpheus Orion wrote: > Orpheus (a group from the Boston area) did chart with a song > entitled "Brown Arms From Houston". I think they also had > another minor hit but I can't think of the name of it. "Can't Find The Time To Tell You" - but the flip, "Lesley's World" epitomizes them for me. JB/wore the 'S', spread the sound -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:57:47 -0700 (MST) From: That Alan Gordon Subject: Re: That Alan Gordon Artie Wayne wrote: > Alan........How ya' doin'? I'd like to join the legion of > Spectropoppers in welcoming you to the site. Although we > were "neighbors", on the same floor for a couple of years > at 1650 B'way, somehow we never met......... Artie, as I reply to your nice message, I'm wearing a big smile. I have a pretty good feeling we could share a LOT of war stories. We were both in the trenches and I also like the songs you've given us all. Only the names have been changed to protect the GUILTY. Take care, Best, That Alan -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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