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Spectropop - Digest Number 1054



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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Playboy Records
           From: Phil Chapman 
      2. Re: Mark II (and IV); northeast US label discographies
           From: Mac Joseph 
      3. Re: "refusing to perform a chart topper"; musica requests
           From: Phil Milstein 
      4. Re: [Jimmy Page and] THEM and Baby Please Don't Go
           From: Scott Swanson 
      5. Re: THAT Alan Gordon...
           From: Alphonse 
      6. Re: Tim Gilbert 45
           From: Clark Besch 
      7. Re: Instrumental hits
           From: Phil Milstein 
      8. Earl Jean
           From: Kingsley Abbott 
      9. Re: Jim Fairs/Cryan Shames
           From: Matthew David 
     10. Poodle Skirts & Poni-Tails CDs
           From: Ian Slater 
     11. 60s Instrumentals
           From: Austin Powell 
     12. Re: Brill Building Trivia; Earl Jean McCrea
           From: Justin McDevitt 
     13. Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"]
           From: James Botticelli 
     14. Re: Instrumental hits
           From: Ron Sauer 
     15. Re: Jimmy Page
           From: Richard Havers 
     16. Instrumental Toons, Monkees, Beatles
           From: Alan Gordon 
     17. Randy Newman; Alan Gordon(s)
           From: Country Paul 
     18. Re: Refusing to perform a chart topper
           From: David Coyle 
     19. Re: The Blues (British Style)
           From: David Coyle 
     20. Re: Earl Jean McCrea of the Cookies
           From: Mac Joseph 
     21. Lulu, Gettin' a little Randy
           From: Alan Gordon 
     22. Re: Instrumental hits
           From: TD 


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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 10:21:30 +0100 From: Phil Chapman Subject: Re: Playboy Records Andrew Jones: > I hope if anyone does assemble a Playboy Records comp, they'll > at least consider "Please Tell Him That I Said Hello" by Debbie > Campbell - it got a lot of airplay in my local area, but did > nothing nationally. Could that be the same song that was a UK hit for 1970 Eurovision- winner Dana (Rosemary Scallon), recently scoring her second Euro win as MEP for Connacht-Ulster? "Please Tell Him..." was written by two affable chaps called Mike Shepstone & Pete Dibbens. And I think I recorded the demo. Phil -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mac Joseph Subject: Re: Mark II (and IV); northeast US label discographies Dear Paul, you seem like you are really in tune with these small indie labels. Maybe you can help me. Last week I wrote Spectropop about a song I am trying to find. The only lyrics I can remember are "When I was with you girl, I made the grade, but since youv'e gone, I've had it made". This has got to be a one-hit wonder song sometime around 1966-67 (I am guessing), Do any of these lyrics sound even vaguely familiar? I have been searching for this song for years. I first heard this song when I was living in Chicago, but it doesn't belong to the Buckinghams, Cryan Shames, New Colony 6 or the Shadows of Knight. If you have ANY ideas that I could explore, I would appreciate it, I even tried the Lyric websites, with no luck so far. thanks much in advance Paul sincerely, Mac Joseph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:06:56 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: "refusing to perform a chart topper"; musica requests Artie Wayne wrote: > Stunned and disappointed I went backstage for my meeting. > I played them the songs I brought......but I couldn't leave > without saying how I felt. In a half humorous tirade I made > the group feel guilty enough to perform my favorite song in > their dressing room......which I'll never forget. Great story, Artie -- as usual! Wish I coulda been there. I've always thought that it can be something of a curse to get a hit record - almost invariably you'll find yourself having to replicate it every working night for the rest of your career, pretending that you're loving it all the while. How can that not breed resentment at the very thing that got you much of what you have? A showbusiness mantra is that the stage life "beats working for a living", but, as someone who does work for a living, I'm not so sure that's true. Sure, if you're a Bob Dylan you're granted a lot of leeway to either play or avoid whichever of your hits that you wish, as well as the ability to remake them in ways that are nearly unrecognizable from the originals, but for every Bob Dylan there are a couple dozen Gary Lewises, Gary Pucketts and Gary U.S. Bondses. That is not meant to put them down, only to suggest that the career of a midlevel oldies act can be a very tough one indeed. To wrap up this dour message on a more upbeat note, I'll add that the awareness of this dynamic gives me that much greater appreciation for those oldies acts who really do seem to be enjoying themselves up there, especially when they're revisiting their biggest hits. Matthew David wrote: > Don't suppose anyone would be willing to play either side to > musica? Have wanted to hear it for a long time but have never > come across a copy. While we're issuing musica requests, I'd love to hear Eric Burdon's version of Mama Told Me Not To Come. I cut my teeth on 3 Dog Night's great version. --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:16:58 -0700 From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: [Jimmy Page and] THEM and Baby Please Don't Go John Berg writes: >For years supposed experts (i.e. music journalists) >have unquestionally circulated the myth that Jimmy >Page played lead on Them's Baby Please Don't Go. >The same controversy has gone around and around >about Page playing on early Kinks hits, For the record, Page has NEVER claimed to have played lead guitar with either Them or The Kinks. Actually it was Van Morrison who unintentionally fuelled the rumor mill when he mentioned several years ago that Page played a "bass-like part on lead guitar" on "Baby Please Don't Go". Morrison also confirms that Page played rhythm guitar on "Here Comes The Night". Page is known to have played rhythm guitar on 3-5 Kinks songs from 1964 (confirmed by virtually everyone involved), but he's never taken credit for any of the guitar solos. Nick Archer adds: >But Jimmy Page did play the guitar solo on >"It's Not Unusual", right? Nope. For years that solo had been credited to Big Jim Sullivan (with Page on rhythm), but I had the opportunity to ask Sullivan about it a couple years back, and he thinks it was actually Joe Moretti on lead, with himself on rhythm. Best regards, Scott -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:20:56 -0700 (MST) From: Alphonse Subject: Re: THAT Alan Gordon... I confess!! I'm Alan Gordon, but If I could ever be another Alan Gordon,I would be honoured to be the Alan Gordon who introduced me to this wonderful group. You folks know more about my songs than I do. But we all love the songs from back then. Oh yes, regarding Julius La Rosa: He first appeared on Godfrey's Talent Scouts in uniform. He won and was invited to be regular on Godfrey's morning show, which was simulcast on radio as well. Godfrey was a big big deal in those days. Alphonse -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:56:04 -0000 From: Clark Besch Subject: Re: Tim Gilbert 45 JJ wrote: > Tim Gilbert, the main songwriter, also released a solo 45 > "Early October"/"If We Stick Together" (UNI 55045) 1967- Clark Besch: > A great song! Love this (If We Stick Together) song that did > chart on Denver's KIMN. Kinda "Dylan takes 'Eve of Destruction' > and puts opposing twist on it"???? Matthew David: > Don't suppose anyone would be willing to play either side to > musica? Have wanted to hear it for a long time but have never > come across a copy. Matthew. I played "If We Stick Together" to Musica. After listening to it again, I still love it! Been in my faves since I taped it off KIMN Denver when it was out. Finally found a copy 10 years later. Not sure now about the PF Sloan reference I made above, but certainly a Dylan-like lyric. Very odd stuff. I know I can't singalong with it too easy! Actually, as a lover of "Excerpt from a Teenage Opera", I would think Mark Wirtz might like this song. Some strange lyrics and light orchestration in both songs, within a year of each other. Mark? Anyway, enjoy! "Someone passed the fat around and we began to chew". Sounds like us at Spectropop! Clark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:58:49 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Instrumental hits Thanks to everyone who's submitted lists of instrumental hits; I'm getting lots of excellent ideas. Working on this project has caused me to recall how I first came by my affection for instrumentals -- and for certain ones in particular.* If you'll allow me to indulge in a touch of nostalgia, back in the late '60s and early '70s, when I and my musical tastes were coming of age, the NYC Top 40 station-of-record WABC would regularly play out to the news with an instrumental, which they would then fade out when the time came for the news to take over (which, for some reason, would occur at 5 minutes before the hour), no matter where in the record that would be. At the time I thought every music station did this, but in hindsight I can see that it was simply the lazy DJ's way of time-syncing. Still, it was an effective technique, and there's a few instrumentals from that era that I still haven't heard all the way through to the end! Keep 'em coming, --Phil M. P.S. Any thoughts on which is the definitive instrumental version of "Night Train"? *i.e., Soul Finger; The Horse; Soulful Strut -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:06:30 +0100 From: Kingsley Abbott Subject: Earl Jean I agree about 'Randy' being a great topside, but don't overlook the flip. 'They're Jealous Of Me' has a lovely warm, sexy and sultry vocal which made me curl up when I first heard it...in a shop in Hanway Street in London's Soho...didn't know where to put myself! A simple fab double-sider! Kingsley -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:22:44 EDT From: Matthew David Subject: Re: Jim Fairs/Cryan Shames Hi Clark, Just want to let you know that I've really enjoyed your recent posts about Jim Fairs and The Shames. Great stuff .....very informative. Matthew -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:35:35 +0100 From: Ian Slater Subject: Poodle Skirts & Poni-Tails CDs Paul Balser asked (8 Oct 2003 - Digest Number 1053): "Where can we find the CD.. Poodle Skirts & Pony Tails." There are 3 volumes and I'm pretty sure they are "grey" issues, unfortunately. I've checked with one of my regular suppliers of CDs, Bob Thomas of Bim-Bam records and he can get copies. He's based in southern England but ships anywhere abroad. His web-site is: http://www.bim-bam.com/ Connie & the Cones are on Volumes 1 & 2. All the tracks on all three CDs are girl-groups - most late 50s / early 60s, mostly obscure & hard to get and I think Volume 1 is the best of the three. I'll try and play my favourite of the group's tracks "I See the Image of You" onto Musica over the weekend - so far as I'm aware it's never been reissued in any form. Thanks to Country Paul for his recollection of "Take All the Kisses" which is on "Poodle... vol. 1" with "Lonely Girl's Prayer. All Doo-Wop ballads. Ian Slater -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:55:37 +0100 From: Austin Powell Subject: 60s Instrumentals How 'bout: In The Midnight Hour - Little Mack & The Boss Sounds Sock It To 'Em JB - Rex Garvin and I lurve.....Wiggle Wobble - Les Cooper Sad that Ace has discontinued its "Teen Beat" series.... Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 11:59:59 -0500 From: Justin McDevitt Subject: Re: Brill Building Trivia; Earl Jean McCrea Hello Spectropop, In a message dated 10/06, Mac Joseph asked: "whatever happened to Earl Jean McCrea?" In response, John Clemente set the record straight by correcting some of the mis-information regarding the original Cookies, the re-formed Cookies, Cookies members who were in the Raelettes, etc. However, in my opinion, Mac's original question was never really answered, which is in fact, the same question that I posted to Spectropop in December of 2001, (my first post to the group). As I recall, John responded to my question by referencing the Girl Groups book that he has written and encouraged me to purchase it. I did go so far as to find a copy in a local library in order to review it, and then purchase a copy which I could then have recorded on tape (or possibly into Braille), though I have yet to do this. It would also appear that Mac also needs to purchase the book in order to find out Earl Jean's current status which I break down into two questions: 1. Is EarlJean still "in the business"; doing any singing, other than in her own home, in the shower etc 2. In what geographic location, state, city, town in the US is she residing? Has she returned to the state of North Carolina, her birthplace? Mac, am I on target here? Yours in the eternal quest, Justin McDevitt -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 15:26:52 -0400 From: James Botticelli Subject: Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"] Nick Archer wrote: > But Jimmy Page did play the guitar solo on "It's Not Unusual", > right? that MIGHT have been session guitarist Big Jim Sullivan who also did some studio stuff with Page (see the RPM CD) and went on the road with Jones in '69..Might.. JB -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:03:59 -0000 From: Ron Sauer Subject: Re: Instrumental hits Not all of these were hits but here are a few of my favorites: Baja - The Astronauts Dartell Stomp - The Dartells Banzai Pipeline - Henry Mancini Slaughter on 10th Avenue - The Ventures Pipeline - The Chantays Bust Out - The Busters Don't Make My Baby Blue - Lonnie Mack Soul Twist - King Curtis The Jam - Bobby Gregg Workout - Rick Dee and the Embers (Has some shouting) Hungry for Love - Sam Remo Golden Strings Torquay Two - The Fireballs Let There Be Drums - Sandy Nelson No Matter What Shape - T-Bones Ron -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:19:52 +0100 From: Richard Havers Subject: Re: Jimmy Page Nick Archer: > But Jimmy Page did play the guitar solo on "It's Not Unusual", > right? Scott Swanson: > Nope. For years that solo had been credited to Big Jim Sullivan > (with Page on rhythm), but I had the opportunity to ask Sullivan > about it a couple years back, and he thinks it was actually Joe > Moretti on lead, with himself on rhythm. As always Scott on all things Pagey absolutely on the money! I think Big Jim played lead on Green Green Grass of Home though! Best Richard -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:22:24 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Instrumental Toons, Monkees, Beatles Phil Milstein: > In an effort to create a personal reference guide to the great '60s > instrumental hits, I've decided to whip up a compilation CD of them. > Here is where y'all come in: I could use some help compiling a list Phil: I'm not sure if they all apply, but here's a few of my favorites from that period and into the '70's. Would you be so kind to post the entire list that you compile, once you feel you've reached the "sorta" end. Sleepwalk - Santo and Johnny: sigh... Summer Samba, Happy Organ, and So Nice: These three songs are the same melody except that "So Nice" is usually the title of the lyrical version ... but not always. From what I've heard, the instrumental versions where done by a few different artists, depending on what part of the USA you lived in, and I'm not sure which ones charted. Moonglow and Theme From "Picnic" - Morris Stoloff / Colombia Pictures Studio Orchestra: I still get chills when I hear this one. Our Winter Love - Bill Purcell: Another one of my absolute favorites. Summer Place - Henry Mancini: This song, like a few of these, was one of those songs that I turned off when it came on the car radio, because I thought it was "uncool" to like it... and my parents loved it... say no more. Cast your Fate To The Wind," and "Linus and Lucy" - Vince Giaraldi: Both of these songs really spur memories for me of more innocent times. Last Date - Floyde Cramer; Sexy-as-heck piano licks. Albatros - Fleetwood Mac: For me, this is the quintessential "breathlessly watching the soft moon-light reflect on the gurgling waters of your local summer-lake, as you get snugly with a cute significant other" song. And Your Dream Come True - The Beach Boys: I love this tune. Great vibes. Love So Fine - The Tiajuana Brass: This was the flip of a hit. All I know is, it was cool. Soul Serenade - King Curtis: Great tune! The rest of these are probably up for interpretation, depending on your criteria of course: The Great Kahuna - The Buffalo Springfield; This was never even released. It appears on the Springfield's box set. Great imitation of a sorta-surf-tune crossed with a Tiki flavored song. Neato. Sleepwalk - Larry Carlton: This was played on the FM dial, a lot, here in the San Francisco area when it first came out in the 70's(?). I have no idea if it was a single. Nice version. Are You Going With Me - Pat Methaney: I assume this doesn't quite qualify, as it is sorta lite-jazz-pop... but then "Summer samba" was lite-jazz-pop for it's time...and this was more of an FM "hit." But I love it. City, Country, City - War: Another beautiful FM song that was played endlessly in the SF area. Follow Your Bliss - The B 52's: If you haven't heard this... do yourself a favor. One a few unrelated notes: The Monkees (TV episodes), Season 2 is coming out on November 11 in the U.S. The regurgitation of the innocence of this time, makes life in these present weird days, just a taste more palatable for me. and... The Beatles: "Let It Be... Naked" (without Phil's intrusive [I can hear the arguments already] orchestration) is solicited for November 18 here in the colonies. This is not the same as the boot of George Martin or Glyn John's version that has been floating around for the last 30 years. It's basically the album that was released, but without Phil's stuff, and with a few extra things added. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:37:59 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Randy Newman; Alan Gordon(s) Steve Harvey: > Randy's song will always take on a different meaning or feel when > he sings it as opposed to other artists. "Short People" really took > this to the mat on the middle-eight where the Eagles are "all men are > brothers" and Randy replies, "It's a wonderful world". Just the way > he sings it is full of bile. His "Debutantes' Ball" gets a new > meaning when sung by the Harper's Bizarre compared to Randy's outsider > observation. Mark Frumento: > Just saw Randy live a little over a week ago and nothing's changed. > In fact the sarcasm is more pronounced than ever, I think. Though it's > very hard to tell when he's in character or when he's being himself. Those of you who have seen him in the past years know that he does his song "I Want You to Hurt Like I Do" as if it were a follow up to "We Are the World". The routine is very funny but I found myself wanting to yell out... "everybody stop laughing and listen to this song. It's one of the saddest songs ever written". > Mr Newman is a true modern master even if we don't always realize it. 100% agreement here, Steve and Mark. For example, in all the times I've heard "Marie" on record, there hasn't been one where my eyes have been dry at the end. And that's not the only one. Newman is indeed one our most cynical writers - and one of our best. And that misting up feeling also comes to me in Garry Bonner's exquisite version of "Me About You," which I mention as a welcome to "that" Alan Gordon. I'm sure we'll have millions of questions for you, starting with this one, asked here previously: why in God's name was that wonderful song - and especially this version - never a hit? (Nice introduction by "this" Alan Gordon, by the way!) Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: Refusing to perform a chart topper People I've talked to about local rock in the '60s all tell me that when the Nightcrawlers played here in 1967, they did not perform "Little Black Egg," the hit that put them on the charts, pretty much starting right here in Ohio. When Big Beat's essential, must-have, definitive Nightcrawlers compilation came out a couple years back, I got a clue as to why the song was not performed. By 1967, when the Nightcrawlers made it up north to tour, a number of the band members who had been on the original recording, including writer and lead singer Chuck Conlon, were no longer with the group. The batch of "live" covers on the Big Beat disc represent the kind of stuff the group were doing, and apparently they didn't bother with the song that was their reason for even touring... David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:47:56 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: The Blues (British Style) My girlfriend showed some real intuition the other night when she taped off the British Blues segment of the PBS series "The Blues" the other night. It was great to see so many relatively obscure British artists on US TV, and I couldn't believe Joe Meek got so much discussion on a program here in the States, simply on the merits of having produced "Bad Penny Blues." Nobody seemed to mince words about him, either. My personal favorite "soundbyte" was Ramblin' Jack Elliott's diatribe against skiffle, followed by Lonnie Donegan's deadpan dismissal of Ramblin' Jack Elliott. And I was amazed at the clip of Sister Rosetta Tharpe. Damn, she could play guitar! I was really impressed by the inclusion of a veritable supergroup of British bluesers in the show. I mean, Van Morrison, Tom Jones and Lulu, backed by Jeff Beck? Dang, that was good. Can't wait for the DVD version... David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 13:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Mac Joseph Subject: Re: Earl Jean McCrea of the Cookies Justin enquired about: > Earl Jean's current status which I break down into two questions: > 1. Is EarlJean still "in the business"; doing any singing, other > than in her own home, in the shower etc > 2. In what geographic location, state, city, town in the US is she > residing? > Has she returned to the state of North Carolina, her birthplace? Exactly, Justin; you hit it right on the head. That's what i was originally asking. I had also asked what happened to Charley Macey, who Carole King used a lot in the studio back in her Dimension Record days. Thanks much, Justin; Mac Joseph -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 14:10:18 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: Lulu, Gettin' a little Randy Subject: Lulu TD wrote: > ...and a better idea of how Lulu is out of her element when she > tackles "Drown In My Own Tears". Tom Taber wrote: > And here I am, having seen the same show last night, thinking how > wonderful I thought she was! I was only a very peripheral fan of Lulu until a friend of mine let me watch a few of her appearances on "Ready, Steady, Go!" that were recorded before she had a pop hit in the U.S. I remember actually getting quite frisky, watching and listening to her, as her whiskey, gravel-soaked, powerfully sultry voice pealed the veneer off my heart. (Is their some drugs or somethin' I can take to stop this purple side of me from getting outta hand???) She belts the blues as well, or better than most supposed "blues" artists. What friggin'pipes! (Can I say "friggin'?") From: Steve Harvey Subject: Judy Sings Newman > Check out my early 80s piece in Goldmine (if you can find it) on > Randy Newman's early days. Randy's song will always take on a > different meaning or feel when he sings it as opposed to other > artists. I'd love to read that, Steve. Is it posted anywhere? But I have a question: Did the other acts/groups that you mentioned that covered Randy's sarcasm, change the lyrics at all? That's the difference to me. One is implied in Randy's wonderful sarcastic and innocent voice, and also by just sorta knowing what Randy is about from listening to him for so many years... and the other is indicated precisely in the lyrics. Have you listened to Randy's Faust? Amazing lyrics... great music too. peace, ~albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:13:52 -0400 From: TD Subject: Re: Instrumental hits Phil Milstein: > Any thoughts on which is the definitive instrumental version of > "Night Train"? My favorite version of "Night Train" is by Buddy Morrow and Orchestra -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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