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Spectropop - Digest Number 1053

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Private Stock label
           From: Mikey 
      2. Re: Al Jardine
           From: Phil Milstein 
      3. Re:  "I Hurt On The Other Side"
           From: Simon White 
      4. Re: Martin Scorcese's "Blues"
           From: Tom Taber 
      5. The Cookies
           From: Michael Edwards 
      6. Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"]
           From: John Berg 
      7. Re: Connie and the Cones (and Darlene Woods & the Starlings)
           From: Paul Balser 
      8. Re: Judy Sings Newman
           From: Steve Harvey 
      9. Re: LULU Martin Scorcese's "Blues"
           From: John Berg 
     10. Tim Gilbert 45
           From: Matthew David 
     11. Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"]
           From: TD Bell 
     12. Re: Richard Perry
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     13. Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"]
           From: Nick Archer 
     14. Mark II (and IV); northeast US label discographies
           From: Country Paul 
     15. Re: Instrumental hits
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     16. Re: Jim Fairs and the Cryan Shames
           From: Bob Rashkow
     17. Re: Martin Scorcese's "Blues"
           From: Mik Rashkow
     18. Playboy/Earl-Jean/Ray Charles covers (?)
           From: Bob Rashkow 
     19. Re: Newman Sings Newman
           From: Mark Frumento 
     20. THAT Alan Gordon...
           From: Alan Gordon 
     21. Peter Lacey at Ear Candy
           From: Wayne Short 
     22. Re: "refusing to perform a chart topper"
           From: Artie Wayne 
     23. Re: Judy Sings Newman
           From: Eddy Smit 
     24. The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul
           From: Simon White 
     25. Re: Jim Fairs/Cryan Shames "LIVE" on Musica!
           From: Martin Jensen 

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:40:42 -0400 From: Mikey Subject: Re: Private Stock label Mark T wrote: > The rumor is that all of the master tapes were thrown out > around 1982 when Larry Utal died. Don't know if its true, > but, other than Frankie Valli stuff (he controls his masters), > all releases seem to be from records. Can anyone confirm or > deny this story? Yes, that's what I heard as well. I know when Rhino tried to get a master tape for "Making Our Dreams Come True", Bill Inglot was told that there were NO tapes of any kind. He had to use a clean LP. Mikey -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 15:14:05 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: Al Jardine NBC-TV site, via Country Paul: > Jardine began touring in 1998 as "Beach Boys Family and Friends". > He says he formed the band after Mike Love refused to tour with him. > Jardine owns a quarter of the corporation formed to hold the Beach > Boys trademark, but he did not have the company's permission to use > the band name. Gotta "love" Mike. Sarcastically, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:20:46 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Re: "I Hurt On The Other Side" Don Charles wrote - > but a cover version by Jerry Cook on Capitol Records credits > the song to JJ Jackson and Sidney Barnes. Sidney was here in the UK for a tour this year and did this very song! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Martin Scorcese's "Blues" TD wrote: > ...and a better idea of how Lulu is out of her element > when she tackles "Drown In My Own Tears". And here I am, having seen the same show last night, thinking how wonderful I thought she was! Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:47:33 -0000 From: Michael Edwards Subject: The Cookies John Clemente's recent message referring to the Cookies prompted me to check to see if their CD is still available. Even though it's been out nearly 10 years, are selling copies of "The Complete Cookies" for £8.99. This has to be a staple in any Spectropopper's collection. It contains 16 tracks showcasing their a-sides, b-sides and demo recordings. It even includes the both sides of each of Earl Jean's solo recordings, "I'm Into Something Good" and "Randy". Looking at the track list, half the songs were picked up by British Invasion artists (including the Beatles and Herman's Hermits). For as few a number of sides as the group recorded under their own name, the song and music quality is phenomenal. And what happened to "Randy"? Surely as good as anything that came out of the Brill Building and yet you don't hear it on radio or see it in discussion groups. Those wishing to check out the track listing might want to go to: Mike -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:11:46 EDT From: John Berg Subject: Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"] To T.D. Bell, For years supposed experts (i.e. music journalists) have unquestionally circulated the myth that Jimmy Page played lead on Them's Baby Please Don't Go. I've been involved in several projects putting Them-related material on CD, and co-wrote several articles on the band. That afforded me opportunity to chat with several band members, including bass player Alan Henderson who co-founded the band with guitarist Billy Harrison and drummer Ronnie Millings, before Van Morrison joined. To a man they say that the riff was played by Harrison, with Page on hand at that session merely to play rhythm behind Billy for "depth" (that was the producer's idea.) The same controversy has gone around and around about Page playing on early Kinks hits, and likewise in that case the actual band members say that Dave Davies played the lead, not Page. Look, Jimmy Page is a great musician -- witness the body of work he created with Led Zeppelin -- but I will believe the members of these bands before I believe him or the journalists who repeat myths ad infinitum. John Berg -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:33:52 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Paul Balser Subject: Re: Connie and the Cones (and Darlene Woods & the Starlings) Ian Slater: > The Roulette tracks appeared on the CD compilations "Poodle > Skirts & Pony Tails - Lost Groups" on the "Babe" label. Where can we find the CD in question ; Poodle Skirts & Pony Tails. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 16:34:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Judy Sings Newman Alan Gordon: > Kinda changes it from it's "Sarcastic" dark > commentary, to a > saccharin pop tune... and that's not quite what > Randy has ever > been about. Check out my early 80s piece in Goldmine (if you can find it) on Randy Newman's early days. Randy's song will always take on a different meaning or feel when he sings it as opposed to other artists. "Short People" really took this to the mat on the middle-eight where the Eagles are "all men are brothers" and Randy replies, "It's a wonderful world". Just the way he sings it is full of bile. His "Debutantes' Ball" gets a new meaning when sung by the Harper's Bizarre compared to Randy's outsider observation. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:19:44 EDT From: John Berg Subject: Re: LULU Martin Scorcese's "Blues" I agree that LULU was right in her element. She is a gritty lass from Glasgow, raised on R&B, and I was thrilled to see her doing this kind of music on the PBS show -- I liked her pop stuff too, but that was by and large what managers and producers steered her into, not what she grew up on. Same deal with Tom Jones and many others, who saw "showbiz" and being "entertainers" as the only way to make a lasting career. John Berg "Can bluemen sing the whites?" -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:49:38 EDT From: Matthew David Subject: Tim Gilbert 45 JJ wrote: > Tim Gilbert, the main songwriter, also released a solo 45 > "Early October"/"If We Stick Together" (UNI 55045) 1967- Clark Besch: > A great song! Love this (If We Stick Together) song that did > chart on Denver's KIMN. Kinda "Dylan takes 'Eve of Destruction' > and puts opposing twist on it"???? Don't suppose anyone would be willing to play either side to musica? Have wanted to hear it for a long time but have never come across a copy. Thanks, Matthew David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:57:17 -0400 From: TD Bell Subject: Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"] Thank you John Berg. I had supposed that Billy Harrison was playing lead on "Baby Please Don't Go" until I saw that VH-1 program about Zep. I wouldn't believe anything Jimmy Page says, which is why I prefaced my anecdote by explaining that program on VH-1 would lead someone to believe that Jimmy Page was the session man playing the riff from "Baby Please Don't Go". I saw a show about Ahmet Ertegun looking up musicians to re-record some songs from the rockabilly era. When Ahmet met with Page and Robert Plant, Ahmet suggested that they do "My Bucket's Got a Hole In It", and Plant said, "Great! Nobody's done that since Sonny Burgess!" and Ahmet was agreeing with the fellas, and I was watching the tube saying "Yeah, Nobody except Ricky Nelson!" Futhermore, I never bought anything by Led Zep. What do I want with Page and the shrieking Plant when I had solid senders like Howlin' Wolf backed by Hubert Sumlin, Willie Johnson, and Buddy Guy? Thank you very much for the reply, John. Sincerely, TD Bell -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:11:28 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Richard Perry Artie Wayne: > Richard and I became friends in the mid-sixties when we were > neighbors at 1650 B'way. He was producing the "God Bless Tiny > Tim" album and recorded one of my songs "Daddy, Daddy What Is > Heaven Like?". His first gold album and mine. "Daddy, Daddy, What Is Heaven Like?" --a TERRIFIC song, Artie. Had no idea you wrote it. Speaking of all the great penners on GOD BLESS TINY TIM: anybody know what happened to Gordon Alexander ("Strawberry Tea")? I managed to find a pristine copy of his one Columbia LP circa 1968-69 about 13 or 14 years ago and like it much, but none of the material on there even approaches "Strawberry Tea." Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 19:37:12 -0500 From: Nick Archer Subject: Re: THEM and Baby Please Don't Go [Martin Scorcese's "Blues"] But Jimmy Page did play the guitar solo on "It's Not Unusual", right? Nick Archer Check out Nashville's classic SM95 on the web at -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:02:47 -0400 From: Country Paul Subject: Mark II (and IV); northeast US label discographies Wye - not. I miscredited a record in my last post, citing the Mark IV as doing "Night Theme." The Mark II did "Night Theme" on Wye Records (Wye 5-1001). Comp: Wayne Cogswell-Ray Peterson (yes, THAT Ray Peterson). There was also a follow-up: 5-1004, Blue Fantasy/And A Robin Cried, which I didn't know existed until I just discovered a Wye discography at - The original was early '60s, maybe 1961 or '62; the re-issue, indeed on Roulette (R-4784), came out in 1968. Also on Wye: 5-1010 Morton Downey Jr. & The Terrytones, Three Steps to The Phone/I Beg Your Pardon. Yes, THAT Morton Downey, who I think was on the radio in Rhode Island as well as in Connecticut as a straight-ahead DJ before becoming a pioneer of radical-right confrontational radio. The label at at least 13 releases (I've never heard any of the others); 1001-1012 and 1015. The Mark IV, by the way, was on Mercury, and had an obnoxious 1950's novelty hit called "I've Got A Wife" ("I've got a wife at home....I've got a wife, she's the apple of my life, and I wish she would leave me alone"). By the way, , although mainly a record seller, has a highly selective but fascinating group of discographies of northeast US indie labels; scroll down and click on "discographies." Some labels listed aren't posted yet - like Apt, Audicon (which started as Acousticon), Golden Crest, Joy, Sue or Candlelight (home to the killer two-sided rockabilly by Clyde Stacy, "So Young"/"Hoy Hoy," the A-side being a totally lascivious delight with a female voice doing the closest thing to verbal sex you could get away with in the late 50's). But there are some cool ones I'd almost completely forgotten: - Aamco (not the transmission), whose hit was Andy Rose's "Just Young" (ALS-100). Rose later did "Hey Scooter" on Golden Crest, which was the theme song of B. Mitchell Reed on NYC rocker WMCA expanded into a neat track with girl-group backing - Addison, which had Jamie Coe's early (small) hit, "Summertime Symphony" (melody stolen from Chuck Berry's "Sweet Little 16"); he later had "How High Is High" on ABC - Cheer, with the Five Discs' "Never Let You Go" (featuring one of the most outrageous doo-wop basses) plus two 45s by Cathy Carroll, 1004 "Deep in a Young Boy's Heart"/"Every Leaf That Falls" and 1005 "I'll be Hurt"/"There Must Be a Way" - Clock, aside from their huge smash, 1009, Dave 'Baby' Cortez, "The Happy Organ"/"Love Me as I Love You," they also released 1029, Bruce Morrow, "Tea With The Shakes"/no flip listed. Got to be Cousin Brucie.... - Dale, whose first release, "After School" by Randy Starr (#100), was their only hit. Starr, a dentist (I don't know why I know this, but it's true), had three more releases; all stiffed. - DCP, owned by Don Costa, started with a girl-group soul 45: 1001, Crampton Sisters, "I Didn't Know What Time It Was"/"I Cried When I Found You Gone" (1963), and had the biggest hits of Little Anthony and the Imperials second coming: 1104, "I'm on The Outside (Looking In)"/"Please Go" and 1119, "Goin'Out of My Head"/"Make It Easy on Yourself" - Hudson, with a female-led group, the Iridescents, 8102, "Three Coins in The Fountain" (delightfully sour doo-wop version)/ "Strong Love" - Minuteman, from Boston, featuring Chip Taylor & Al Gorgoni as Just Us with the original release (#203) of "You Can't Grow Peaches on a Cherry Tree"/"I Can Save You" and FOUR 45's by the Improper Bostonians (check 'em out for yourselves) - Music Makers, whose #110, The Tokens' "Arlene," I've never heard. Two of the best NYC doo-wop groups were on this label: the Imaginations ("Hey You," 108) and the Celebrities ("I Want You," 101), as well as a, instrumental, a local-hit version of "The Song Of The Nairobi Trio" by The Fortune Tellers (#109). The label was an offshoot of a commercial jingle studio. - Palette, which released the instrumental hit, "Manhattan Spiritual," by Reg Owen (PZ-5005) - and 100 other releases. - Seg-Way, with the Echoes' "Baby Blue"/"Boomerang" (103) and the follow-up, "Sad Eyes"/"IT's Raining" (the A-side notable for the background vocals being sung in "meusurry," the "language" invented by Murray The K. - Triodex - more Cathy Carroll 45's, plus the spoken weeper with the incredible chorus, James MacArthur's "The In-Between Years" (#112). There are lots more; check labels like Dwain, Enrica, Hanover, Twirl and more for some names you probably know from this group on labels you'd never expect them. Country Paul -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:26:20 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Instrumental hits Phil (M), you might start with Last Date - Floyd Cramer Stranger on the Shore- Mr. Acker Bilk Washington Square- Village Stompers Out Of Limits- Marketts Blue's Theme - Davie Allan/Arrows Soulful Strut - Young-Holt Unlimited OK S'poppers chime in! ! ! ! ! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:32:48 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Jim Fairs and the Cryan Shames Really dig "Ben Franklin's Almanac" off Album #1--truly groovy psyke-pop! ! ! Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:42:47 EDT From: Mik Rashkow Subject: Re: Martin Scorcese's "Blues" TD wrote: >...and a better idea of how Lulu is out of her element >when she tackles "Drown In My Own Tears".  Tom Taber: > And here I am, having seen the same show last night, > thinking how wonderful I thought she was! ....and that's what makes horse racing.  By the way, in this white Jew's opinion, Drown In My Own Tears is one of the great modern blues songs. I believe it was written by the under- appreciated Henry Glover. This link will bring you to a bio which is amazing in scope and accomplishment: ...which bring us back to horse racing. Back in the late 60s, early 70s  I used to see Henry at the old Philadelphia racetrack, Liberty Bell Park--he seemed to like the ponies, Standardbred variety. Rashkovsky -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:03:13 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Playboy/Earl-Jean/Ray Charles covers (?) That's what happens when I look at well over 90 S'pop postings in one sitting. I end up sending 3 posts in one evening. Mike Edwards, I absolutely agree with you about Earl-Jean's "Randy". Her voice is wonderfully sensual and the tune itself is great. Should've definitely charted. I seem to recall that Playboy Records, in spite of Hugh Hedonist --whoops, I mean Hefner--being the "figurehead", wasn't even based in Chicago. I could be wrong about this, but weren't they producing out of NYC and weren't they picking up some Canadian artists that major labels were shunning (Hamilton Joe Frank et al and I think Charlie Kulis was too?). Didn't Hef just rake in the bucks and not really have much to do with the pop sounds emanating from the label? Got another question: Ray Charles' "Drown in My Own Tears" was mentioned as performed by Lulu on a TV special. Was this song also covered by Spencer Davis on "Heavies"? Or is theirs a different blues song? With a head full of 6Ts trivia and an itching to play "Bradley's Barn" which I just purchased yesterday along with The Travel Agency on Viva (yahhhhh! Finally nabbed it!!!) Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 03:05:05 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Newman Sings Newman Alan Gordon wrote: > Kinda changes it from it's "Sarcastic" dark commentary, to a > saccharin pop tune... and that's not quite what Randy has ever > been about. Just saw Randy live a little over a week ago and nothing's changed. In fact the sarcasm is more pronounced than ever, I think. Though it's very hard to tell when he's in character or when he's being himself. Those of you who have seen him in the past years know that he does his song "I Want You to Hurt Like I Do" as if it were a follow up to "We Are the World". The routine is very funny but I found myself wanting to yell out... "everybody stop laughing and listen to this song. It's one of the saddest songs ever written". Mr Newman is a true modern master even if we don't always realize it. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:19:05 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: THAT Alan Gordon... We interrupt our regularly scheduled fun-fest for a brief announcement: When I first joined this Fun-house of frivolity-filled full-tilt groove-dom... I received a buncha emails asking if I was "that" Al Gordon..." Now, my Mom might argue the point... she always considered me THE Alan Gordon of choice. And I'm sure I still have a few fans in comicdom who think of me as the pinnacle of AlanGordonHood ( but I digress... I'm sure there's not a single soul in here who hasn't danced his tuchus off, lifted a few brews, sipped a sweet glass of Zinfandel, danced closely with a loved/sexed-up one, or sniffed -back a sentimental tear to "Happy Together." Yep... that is the Alan Gordon I speak of. Unfortunate as it may be for my bank account, but not for my girlfriend... I am not THAT Alan Gordon. But now with the stage set, the lights dimmed, and Mr. Volman's dreamy voice echoing in the shadowy recesses of the high school gymnasium... For your profuse mind-staggering amusement, I have the distinct pleasure of introducing you to the newest Alan Gordon in our club... THAT Alan Gordon. Alan... take a bow... (and say something cool...) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 04:41:50 -0000 From: Wayne Short Subject: Peter Lacey at Ear Candy There's an article up at the new October Ear Candy magazine in praise of the singer/songwriter Peter Lacey. I first read this in paper form in a Beach Boys fanzine "Open Sky" and it prompted me to investigate this guy's neat music. Soft/Sunshine /Psyche/Harmony pop, call it what you will his three albums have it all. Cool indeed. best Wayne Short -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 22:34:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: "refusing to perform a chart topper" Richard........Tom.......How ya' doin'? I know exactly how you guys feel. While pushing songs at Warner Bros. Music I had a meeting with Eugene Record, producer and lead singer for the Chi-Lites. I arranged to play him some songs between shows at the Apollo me a chance to catch their show. "Have you Seen Her?" had just hit number 1 and I was excited to hear them sing it live.I waited .......and waited.......but they never did the song! Stunned and disappointed I went backstage for my meeting. I played them the songs I brought......but I could'nt leave without saying how I felt. In a half humorous tirade I made the group feel guilty enough to perform my favorite song in their dressing room......which I'll never forget. regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 23 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:22:08 +0200 From: Eddy Smit Subject: Re: Judy Sings Newman Someone: > "Does anybody out there knows who recorded the first version > of Randy Newman's "I Think It's Going To Rain Today"?" I believe I already mentioned that the original version is by Eric Burdon & the Animals on the Eric is Here album, which also includes the first released version of Mama Told Me Not To Come. Eddy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 24 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:27:36 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: The Metropolitan Soul Show on Soul This Sunday, 12th October 2003, on SOUL 24-7 AT 2pm - 4pm GMT The METROPOLITAN SOUL SHOW. 2 solid hours of 60s, 70s but mainly Northern, Soul. This week - after a short break- the return of The Utterly Marvellous Simon White. Rilleh ! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 25 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 08:55:36 -0000 From: Martin Jensen Subject: Re: Jim Fairs/Cryan Shames "LIVE" on Musica! Hi Clark Thanks for all the information, and the clip with 'the Warm'. It really illustrated how great harmony singers those guys were - NOT an easy one to pull off on stage! In fact, their harmonies are incredible on both the first albums (and I'm sure they're just as good on 'Synthesis'.) I LOVE the opening on 'July', and the acapella fade on the album version of 'I Was Lonely When' just blows my mind each time I hear it. With regards Martin, Denmark -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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