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Spectropop - Digest Number 1034



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There are 22 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. George Harrison and The Spoonful
           From: Alan Gordon 
      2. Re: Recent CD: Skeeter Davis
           From: Mark Frumento 
      3. Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
           From: Orion 
      4. Re: Wings
           From: Bob Rashkow 
      5. Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
           From: beatrocket 
      6. Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
           From: Mark Frumento 
      7. We Five
           From: Bob Rashkow 
      8. Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
           From: Mark T 
      9. Re: Shadows & Reflections
           From: JJ 
     10. Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop"
           From: Keith D'Arcy 
     11. Re: DA DOO RON RON - 5th B'day shindig Sat 18th October
           From: Chris King 
     12. Bacharach's 'Fool Killer'
           From: D Bassett 
     13. Poni-Tails: Before we say goodnight
           From: Al Pavlow 
     14. Re: Paul Harris
           From: Artie Wayne 
     15. Re: Van McCoy/Before and After
           From: Artie Wayne 
     16. Caroline Day/Carolyn Daye and Diane and Annita
           From: Frampton 
     17. Katch 22. (Soft Rock)
           From: Rob 
     18. Sue Raney and Joanie Sommers
           From: Patrick Rands 
     19. Re: The T.A.M.I. Show
           From: Tony  Leong 
     20. Re: TNT and TAMI Shows
           From: Bill Reed 
     21. Starsailor not done their homework!
           From: Richard Hattersley 
     22. Re: The Knack
           From: John Berg 


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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:36:36 -0700 From: Alan Gordon Subject: George Harrison and The Spoonful Steve Harvey Subject: Speaking of George > A very knowledgable record collector told me that Harrison came > over in 1968 to visit the US and heard the tapes for the White > Album (about to be released). He went and remixed his cuts on > the LP, but you can only hear his remixes on albums with 'Mastered > By Capitol' in the run-off grooves. Anyone else ever heard of this > or have one of those rare White Albums? Radically different versions > from the ones that most people know. Hey Steve: I've never heard this. I'm assuming this is apocryphal, but I'd love to hear these versions, if they do exist. I think that the stereo and mono versions of this album are fairly different... and that may be where the rumor started. I'm assuming you/he meant that George went back to England to remix his cuts, as it's not likely that Capitol would have the session multi-track tapes(?) Steve Harvey Subject: Paul Harris > Elektra made a deal with the Spoons to buy their gear in return > for their five cuts (4 came out on "What's Shakin'?"). It was > those 5 cuts that Paul Harris produced. The Doors were not on it, > but Tom Rush, Al Kooper, Eric Clapton with Stevie Winwood and > the Paul Butterfield Band. " I knew we could count on you, Mr Harvey. What was the other cut, Steve? Might it be on one of the new reissues? peace, ~albabe -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:05:23 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Recent CD: Skeeter Davis Phil Milstein wrote: > Any chance we could get you to run down the tracks for us? Yes.... A Summer Song, Don't Anybody Need My Love, Don't Let Me Stand In Your Way, Easy To Love, Gonna Get Along Without You Now, I Can't Help It If I'm Still In Love With You, I Can't See Me Without You, I Can't Stay Mad At You, I Will Follow Him, If I Had Wheels, I'm Saving My Love, Keep Your Hands Off My Baby, Ladder Of Success, Let Me Get Close To You, My Sweet Loving Man, Please Don't Talk To The Lifeguard, Remember (Walking In The Sand), Silver Threads And Golden Needles, Summer Sunshine, Sunglasses, The End Of The World, Under The Boardwalk, What Am I Gonna Do With You, What Does It Take (To Keep A Man Like You Satisfied) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:24:51 -0400 From: Orion Subject: Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop" I have both of the LPs you are talking about and I guess there is such a wide array of terms that I see about this music. "Soft Pop", "Sunshine Pop", "Pop Psyche" in my opinion those all mean the samething. I normally purchase LPs that have those nomenclatures just because I have had decent luck staying away form hard "psychedelic". The game of sales is nothing but a game of words and what will sell. I may have to look at what Rev-Ola has to sell, I might like their "soft pop" :) Peace Orion -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:32:49 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: Re: Wings I've never heard anything from the LP but Paul Williams whether penning solo or with Nichols, Colombier, etc. is certainly one of those who made the 6Ts and early 7Ts so great. I do have Lani Hall's Sundown Lady LP, though. Her 1974 take on "We Could Be Flying" is a true delight as are Ocean Song, her version of Don McLean's Vincent, and the title track, which got a slew of airplay on FM in Chicago. Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:33:13 -0000 From: beatrocket Subject: Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop" Chris Mondia wrote: > I still love Rev-Ola and will buy almost anything they > release. How about putting that Match LP out Mr. Foster? > Then you can feel free to describe it as softpop. The sole LP of Match will be out from BEATBALL, S.Korean label. with their 45 cuts as bonus. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:45:22 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop" Chris Mondia wrote: > Just wondering if anyone here has noticed Rev-Ola's gross > misuse of the term "soft-pop". The use of terms like "psych" or "soft pop" etc is always going to be open to interpretation so I'm not sure Rev-Ola can ever please everyone. Once they start using the word psychedelic to describe The Blade of Grass I fear that hoards of Syd Barrett fans will storm their offices and ask for refunds. In my interpretation nearly all of the Rev-Ola CDs you mentioned are soft-pop (harmony pop is also a current fave term I guess). I don't feel that there is anything remotely psychedelic about October Country or Blades of Grass. My wife makes it easy for me... she calls everything I listen to bubblegum. So there! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:09:31 EDT From: Bob Rashkow Subject: We Five That's funny! Was just on the web site reading the article about the late Michael Stewart of We Five. I didn't know they were the first group to chart with "Let's Get Together", one of the classic sixties anthems. I've heard the Youngbloods (of course!), Jefferson Airplane's, and H.P. Lovecraft's versions - but never theirs! I bet they do a fabulous job with it. Bobster -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 04:25:50 -0000 From: Mark T Subject: Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop" Well, I think the correct term is soft rock and I too have different definitions. To me Free Design is light Jazz and not rock at all, soft or otherwise. Too often what I feel gets lumped in as soft rock are things that are bordering on elevator music. I like some of the Blades of Grass output but some of it is garagey to me. I don't blame rev-ola but to me it seems that people try to cater to whomever their constituency is. They are a soft-rock oriented label so they put that tag on a lot of material whereas I have seen a great deal of soft rock and harmony pop labeled as psych by dealers of that genre. I guess until someone comes up with a definitive definition, it is all in the ears of the listener. Maybe we can run a poll here to figure out what it is that the majority consider soft rock. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:02:24 -0000 From: JJ Subject: Re: Shadows & Reflections John Berg: > The couple also played for me 8 songs The Action recorded > live in the studio for the BBC - 04 by the original five member > band, 04 more by the "Rolled Gold" era band as they moved towards > "psychedelia" (the latter 4 songs are "Love Is All", "I See You" > [Byrds number from "5th Dimension" album], "India" and "Shadows > & Reflections".) These BBC tracks are apparently slated for vinyl > release -- not sure what label or when. The couple also played > for me a previously unknown song by The Action that the band > recorded on May 31, 1966 as an audition for Decca, produced by > Mike Vernon. This song will be released as a "bonus" disc > accompanying the book on The Action (look for it in late 2004.) **WONDERFUL news regarding the Action book + BBC recordings.. ....I have an "obsession" with another Action related track, "Wasn't it you", i.e. orig rel as a German only b-s.(a-s. == "Harlem Shuffle"). This AMAZING Goffin-King tr was orig recorded by Petula Clark, 1966, and is a much more Produced version, opposed to the more "demo-like" Action recording......so far I've found cover versions of this song, by the following acts; (if anyone can add more versions, PLEEZ lemme know!) 3's a Crowd - Dunhill '68 LP track Peggy Lipton - Ode 68 LP track Billie Davies - UK Decca '67 45 Gloria Lynne ??(here I'm not so sure, if it's the same song; any info, much appreciated) JJ/Sweden -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:07:27 -0400 From: Keith D'Arcy Subject: Re: Rev-Ola and "soft-pop" I think it's the Japanese guide books that Vanda puts out that lock in what gets described as soft pop & soft rock. Has anyone else noticed the little bit of revisionist history that's gone on between volumes? They've removed records like Michaelangelo, Visions of Sunshine and The Choir (but kept in "Give Me Take You" by Duncan Browne and the Jackie & Roy records...). I absolutely see the Tokens fitting into the description (and so does Vanda, as they're very thoroughly examined in the new volume). Here's a point of note though: the Vanda book is quite specific about which Tokens records actually qualify as soft-rock, namely "It's A Happening World," "Back To Back," "Intercourse" & "Both Sides Now." Oddly, they leave out my favorite Tokens LP "December 5th." I think it's really strange that "soft rock," once a term of derision for watered down, studio group "lite" versions of late 60's pop music, is now a very carefully examined and collected genre of music. I'm as guilty as anyone in this regard (or more so). How many hipsters were rockin' Free Design records out the open windows of frat houses back in the day? Would the world have been a better place if they had been? KD -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:56:06 +0100 From: Chris King Subject: Re: DA DOO RON RON - 5th B'day shindig Sat 18th October Dear fellow UK-based Spectropoppers - Da Doo Ron Ron - the one & only 60s girl group club - celebrate our FIFTH Birthday with a swingin' shindig on Saturday 18th October @ the sumptious Sussex Arts Club, here in Brighton. Doors swing open @ 9pm & close at 2am. It's just 4 entry if you mail me your names in advance dadooronron.club@ntlworld.com or 5 guests on the door on the night. Helping us celebrate are glittery all-female dance troupe The Actionettes, so it's definitely worth arriving early. Please check the Da Doo web-site for further info:- http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dadooronron/ Full info below. Many thanks indeed for your indulgence, Oodles, Chris Da Doo = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = DA DOO RON RON - 5th B'day party - Sat, 18th October 2003 @ The Sussex Arts Club, 07 , Ship Street, Brighton, BN1. Tel:-01273-778020 Special guests:- Glittery all-girl dance troupe The Actionettes 9pm - 2am Just 4 on the door if names are E-mailed in adavnce OR (phone Tel:-01273-778020) 5 on the door on the night DJ's - Chris 'Da Doo' King & Si Bridger will spin their familiar mix of 60s girly sounds a-go-go from the likes of The Ronettes, Dusty, Supremes, Marvelettes, Lesley Gore, Barbara Lewis, Chris Clark, Shangri-La's, Petula, Lulu, Helen Shapiro, Vandellas, Brenda Holloway, Shirley Bassey & so on. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:34:34 -0000 From: D Bassett Subject: Bacharach's 'Fool Killer' I'm hoping someone on this board can help me understand the Bacharach/David composition 'The Fool Killer'. I've just acquired the 'Rare Bacharach' compilation and Gene Pitney's version is there. This seems a particularily 'dark' song for the likes of Hal David. Comments? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:48:27 -0400 From: Al Pavlow Subject: Poni-Tails: Before we say goodnight Don wrote: > I came across a recording of The Poni-Tails' "Before We Say > Goodnight" and I am trying to figure out who wrote the song. The writer credits are: Noel Sherman & Jack Keller..... Al -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 07:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Paul Harris Country Paul........Steve........Alan....How ya'll doin'? I just wanted to add my two cents worth on Paul Harris.... ....He was also an incredible arranger which includes, "Hello I love you" and "Touch me babe" by the Doors. At the time Ronnie Haffkine and I were so impressed by his work we brought him in from California to arrange half of the"Shadow Mann" album we did for Morris Levy For this and other stories you can check out my website http://www.geocities.com/artie_wayne/index.html regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Artie Wayne Subject: Re: Van McCoy/Before and After Patrick........Ian.........How ya' doin'? I had the good fortune of working with Van McCoy at three different publishing companies April-Blackwood, Daedalus music and Warner brothers music. Not only could he write irresistible hooks within his songs,he put the icing on the cake with his stellar productions. One of the songs I placed at April- Blackwood was "Before And After" with Lor Crane, who produced it with Chad And Jeremy. I'm glad a lot of you remember it. regards, Artie Wayne -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 16 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:29:06 -0000 From: Frampton Subject: Caroline Day/Carolyn Daye and Diane and Annita Hi, Can anyone tell me if the Caroline Day of Teenage Prayer and Alone at the Prom is the same as Carolyn Daye who shows up on Liberty Records later on, and several other labels that I can't quite remember. Anyone know what her later stuff sounds like? Also, I'm looking for a more complete Diane and Annita discography. I have 3 singles for wand in my collection now. Of course I'll never find or afford the Vogue EP with Dark Shadows and Empty Hallways on it, but one can try. Thanks everyone! Frampton. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 17 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:48:41 -0000 From: Rob Subject: Katch 22. (Soft Rock) Hi All, I also have this album [Katch 22] but I think on this occasion the term "Soft Rock" is a misnomer. The cover depicts the band stuck in a gooey mess which is the sort of mixture made in a sweet (candy) factory. This is probably why the album is called "It's Soft Rock & Allsorts" and not the start of a great new musical experience. Of course this may just be pie in the sky. Rob -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 18 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:29:08 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Sue Raney and Joanie Sommers I played two songs to musica - Sue Raney's Who's Afraid? from her LP Alive & in Love and Joanie Sommers Before and After from Hullabaloo. The Sue Raney song was produced by Marshall Lieb and arranged by Gene Page. I have more Sue Raney music I could upload if anyone is interested, including her version of the Margo Guryan song Sunday Mornin' and another great track from Alive & in Love. She's a favorite of mine, just check out how much range she has. Anyone know if anyone else did a version of Who's Afraid? It says on the LP the song is from the movie Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf? :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 19 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 01:15:51 -0000 From: Tony Leong Subject: Re: The T.A.M.I. Show Vlaovic B wrote: > I have a video version of the T.A.M.I. Show that > omits the Rolling Stones. I understand it was contractual. > It's so extreme that when in the opening song Jan & Dean > mention the Rolling stones, their voices are wiped so there's > a blank space in the audio track. Steve Harvey wrote: > It might be wiped because they sing "the Rolling Stones from > Liverpool". That's funny!!!! Then they should have also wiped out ".. The representative of New York City is Lesley Gore , now, she sure looks pretty...." Lesley wasn't from New York City - she was from Tenafly, New Jersey!!!!!!! Tony Leong -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 20 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 03:49:38 -0000 From: Bill Reed Subject: Re: TNT and TAMI Shows Phil Milstein wrote: > [From Marshall Crenshaw's "Hollywood Rock: > A Guide To Rocknroll In The Movies":] > THE T.A.M.I. SHOW > dir: Steve Binder; prod: William Sargent Jr., Lee Savin; > studio: Screen Entertainment; 96 min., b/w (no video release) > An event that deserves a book unto itself. Although not quite a book's worth of coverage, here's only a part of what David Ehrenstein and I had to say about "The T.A.M.I Show" in our book "Rock On Film" (G.P. Putnam's Sons-1982): "One for the time capsules! The greatest gathering of rock performers ever assembled for one film [the later] 'Woodstock' and 'Monterey Pop' withstanding." "This 'Teenage Music International' awards presentation is a record of a 1964 gathering at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium in California, which showcases both British acts. . .and equally popular American performers. . .. Filmed in 'Electronovision'---videotape transferred to film stock---there is a case to be made for dubbing 'The T.A.M.I. Show' a movie at all. It looks and acts just like a television special, replete with moderne simplistic decor, chiaroscuro lighting, and a troup of go-go dancers [first one to spot Teri Garr wins] wildly frugging away on and around background scaffolding a la TV's 'Shindig.' Still, possibly for reasons of its very primativeness, 'The T.A.M.I. Show' manages to get down on film an essential 'something' that 'Monterey Pop' couldn't. For example, the assurance and amusement in the eyes of Diana Roos in the face of her own 'arrival' can be read easily because the camera isn't leaping wildly all over the place. The evidence is obvious in 'The T.A.M.I. Show' that black performers had finally taken the quantum leap from the last-gasp-of- vaudeville circuits they'd been confined to for so long. In the early sixties rock music had mostly been an excuse for having a swell time, and this spirit comes across in 'The T.A.M.I. Show'--- especially in the great turns by James Brown and Smokey Robinson. With The Rolling Stones, it's apparent that the notion of rock as 'mere' music (and live performance as just a show) is about to change drastically. The Stones at the time of T.A.M.I. were making their first move on America, and their initial image was that of harmless ruffians---an answer to the 'nice lads' aura emanating from The Beatles. But in their sequence as Mick Jagger moves across hundreds of (mostly female) fans that spread before him, there's an intimation of quasi-messianic power to come." Bill Reed http://www.cllrdr.com -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 21 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:33:14 +0000 From: Richard Hattersley Subject: Starsailor not done their homework! An interview with Starsailor in my local paper this week. They were asked why they didn't use more Phil Spector tracks for their album. They said it just didn't work on all the songs and that "Give Peace A Chance" was a great record but that sound will not suit all the tracks on their album. Oh yes, "Give Peace A chance", my personal favourite PS production :-) Richard http://www.wiz.to/richardsnow -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 22 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:16:04 EDT From: John Berg Subject: Re: The Knack For a scan of the colour sleeve of the first 1967 45 by The Knack on Capitol, go to: http://raw-tcsd.com/Knack.FR.jpg John Berg PS Many thanks to those who have thus far helped me learn more about this band, especially to Jeff and to Mike Dugan! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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