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Spectropop - Digest Number 1032

               SPECTROPOP - Spectacular! Retro! Pop!

There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Re: Information needed
           From: Tom Taber 
      2. Re: "Before and After"
           From: astro4004 
      3. Sky's the limit
           From: Steve Harvey 
      4. Recent CDs: Ronnie Spector & Skeeter Davis
           From: Mark Frumento 
      5. Re: Poni-Tails
           From: Wesley Smith 
      6. Wings
           From: Simon White 
      7. Re: The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No"
           From: Albin Lindstrom 
      8. Re: Information Needed
           From: Deena Canale 
      9. Re: TNT and TAMI Shows
           From: Phil Milstein 
     10. Re: "Before and After"
           From: Patrick Rands 
     11. re: Signed Spector photo and Signed Robert Shapiro photo!!
           From: travelinwilburys 
     12. Re: Speaking of George
           From: Ron Weekes 
     13. Re: 1964 on musica - Info on Gaye Haness 45
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 
     14. Re: The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No"
           From: Billy G. Spradlin 

Message: 1 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Taber Subject: Re: Information needed Herb wrote: > In 1965 (mid to late June; or during July), a programme aired > from either CBS, NBC or ABC which was broadcast via a Buffalo > TV station (Channel 2, 04 or 7). I believe the programme aired > on a Friday evening (not 100%) sure. A google search revealed that it was Murray the K's "It's What's Happening, Baby" TV special in 1965, produced with government funds, and causing some minor scandal by "wasting" money on teenagers. And Herb, I just put a high gain UHF antenna in my attic, to pull in (on good days) Toronto's channels 19, 25, 41, 47, and 57, 70 miles away across Lake Ontario. (Brian Hogg was quite offended when I told him the North Sea looked like Lake Ontario, until he saw L. O. for himself, many years ago!) Tom Taber -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:32:40 -0000 From: astro4004 Subject: Re: "Before and After" Ian Chapman wrote: > So although there appears to be no official recording of > the tune by Joanie, it seems there are lots of others around. Thanks for all the info. I will be tracking down all of these versions, as well as checking out Frank's group. Thanks, guys! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 19:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Sky's the limit TAMI came first and TNT always seemed like everybody else that didn't make the first cut. Don't forget Petula walking down the aisle singing only to have Sky Saxon reach out and grab her hand! -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:40:37 -0000 From: Mark Frumento Subject: Recent CDs: Ronnie Spector & Skeeter Davis I'm wondering if anyone else has picked up the Ronnie Spector CD "Something's Gonna Happen"? Despite being a Marshall Crenshaw fan I was a little suspicious of this CD until I played it. It's quite enjoyable. My favorite track is "Communication" because it's a song that I don't have by Crenshaw... so it's not as tempting to compare versions. But overall Ronnie does a nice job with Crenshaw's songs. The liner notes to the CD are very brief. Does anyone have any "inside scoop" on it? Any other tracks like it around? Also worthy of mention (I think) is the new Skeeter Davis comp on Taragon call "Pop Hits". Great idea to compile all of Skeeter's pop material. This is one that seems a long time in coming. Many many stand out tracks too. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:40:46 -0000 From: Wesley Smith Subject: Re: Poni-Tails "BEFORE WE SAY GOODNIGHT" written by N.Sherman/J.Keller -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:56:11 +0100 From: Simon White Subject: Wings This maybe up a Spectropoppers street - does anyone have a copy of the Paul Williams/Michel Colombier album 'Wings"? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 07:54:09 -0000 From: Albin Lindstrom Subject: Re: The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No" Art Longmire wrote: > I have a 45 on the Verve Forecast label by a group called > the Oracle, titled "Don't Say No". It's a Curt Boettcher > production and I'm trying to find out if it was ever released > on a compilation CD or LP. I tried to research this record > several years ago with no success, but wondered if anyone > knows of any compilation appearances. Hey Yes the track by Oracle can be found on one of the the excellent Fading Yellow comps, I think it's on the second. It's a really good song produced by Curt Boettcher and Keith Olsen. Albin Lindström -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:24:31 -0400 From: Deena Canale Subject: Re: Information Needed > The programme featured a variety of pop acts popular at the time. > The only problem is that my memory of the content has slipped away. > However, I do remember Martha & the Vandellas doing "Nowhere To Run" > as they toured a car plant, plus "Fred Munster" walking through dunes, > etc., to the tune of "Land Of 1000 Dances" by Cannibal & the > Headhunters. This show was called "It's What's Happening, Baby," and it was hosted by Murray the K. I know of no video release, but it is available for viewing at the Museum of Television and Radio in NYC (probably in L.A. as well). The purpose of the show was to promote some government-sponsored youth program (perhaps employment-related or something, but I'm not sure), so in between music acts Murray and/or one of the performers would shill for it, encouraging the audience to write in for more info. The show included a bunch of lip-synched "videos" shot on location a la "Where the Action Is" addition to the aforementioned, I recall Jan & Dean on a beach, a whole mess of Motown artists in Detroit, and the Ronettes doing "Be My Baby" on a residential NYC street with kids playing stickball around them. Interspersed with these videos were live performances which appear to have been filmed at one of Murray's Brooklyn Fox package shows ...I specifically remember Little Anthony & the Imperials (with awesome acrobatic dance moves), Chuck Jackson & Dionne Warwick, but I know there were others. All in all, an amazing artifact! More info can be found in the book "Station to Station," a history of rock & roll programming on TV. Signed D.C. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:34:28 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re: TNT and TAMI Shows [From Marshall Crenshaw's "Hollywood Rock: A Guide To Rocknroll In The Movies":] THE T.A.M.I. SHOW dir: Steve Binder; prod: William Sargent Jr., Lee Savin; studio: Screen Entertainment; 96 min., b/w (no video release) An event that deserves a book unto itself. This concert film from late 1964 perfectly captures a particularly brilliant and explosive moment in rock history. Every element of that year's diverse and innovative scene is represented here. Virtually every significant chart act of the day (except for the Beatles and the Four Seasons) appears in this film, all performing as though their lives depended on it. The show opens with hosts Jan and Dean introducing Chuck Berry, who's paired onstage with Liverpool's Gerry and the Pacemakers. Chuck does a half-minute version of "Nadine." Gerry responds with "I Like It," one of his Tin Pan Alley throwaways. Then Chuck does "Sweet Little Sixteen," and Gerry answers with "How Do You Do It?" The kids love it and go totally nuts. Lesley Gore performs some of the songs that have made her a gay-culture icon (including the anthemic "You Don't Own Me"). The Supremes, wearing massive hairdos and tight dresses, deliver a brief but scorching set of hits, near-hits, and non-hits. The close-ups of Diana Ross's mouth are among the film's highlights. Then from Brian Epstein's management stable comes arch-geek Billy J. Kramer mouthing the best Lennon and McCartney song that the Beatles never sang. Representing garage rock is the film's token unknown act (somebody obviously owed somebody a favor), the Barbarians, who feature a onehanded drummer named Moulty. During the next year, the Barbarians would score a minor hit with the pre-punk classic "Are You a Boy or Are You a Girl?" Representing what Paul Le Mat called (in American Graffiti) "that surfin' shit", the Beach Boys show up in their striped shirts and tear the already hysterical audience to shreds. But for some mysterious reason, their performance is missing from most prints of this movie. James Brown wanted to close The T.A.M.I. Show, but the producers insisted on the Rolling Stones. Rock film fans often refer to these back-to-back sets as The Battle of the Century. Both acts were at career crossroads: The Stones had been causing riots in England for a year but hadn't yet scored a significant U.S. hit single. James Brown was the biggest star in R&B, but he hadn't yet found consistent crossover success. James's set is a breathtaking spectacle of bodies in motion and balls-out musical excitement. On the other hand, in 1964, the Stones were playing what every bar band in America was playing: Chuck Berry covers and recent R&B hits. But they did have charisma and a mystique that no other group could match. Their relentless attack here drives the audience past the point of hysteria. Who wins The Battle? Everybody. Who loses? Only those who don't watch. A footnote: Sometime during the early 1980s, highlights from The T.A.M.I. Sbow and The Big TNT Show were edited together for a home video called That Was Rock. It's a hatchet job and a piece of garbage, so why did I buy it? [Marshall Crenshaw] Songs: Here They Come, The Little Old Lady from Pasadena, Sidewalk Surfin (Jan and Dean); Johnny B. Goode, Sweet Little Sixteen, Nadine (Chuck Berry); Maybellene (Chuck Berry, Gerry and the Pacemakers); Don't Let the Sun Catch You Crying, lt's Gonna Be Alright, How Do You Do It, I Like It (Gerry and the Pacemakers); That's What Love Is Made Of, You Really Got a Hold On Me, Mickey's Monkey (the Miracles); Stubborn Kind of Fellow, Pride and Joy, Can I Get a Witness, Hitchhike (Marvin Gaye with the Blossoms); Maybe I Know, You Don't Own Me, It's My Party, Judy's Turn to Cry (Lesley Gore); Little Children, I'll Keep You Satisfied, Bad to Me, >From a Window (Billy J. Kramer & the Dakotas); When the Lovelight Starts Shining Through His Eyes, Run Run Run, Baby Love, Where Did Our Love Go (Supremes); My Little Girl (Barbarians); Out of Sight, Prisoner of Love, Please Please Please, Night Train (James Brown and the Famous Flames); Around and Around, Off the Hook, Time Is on My Side, It's All Over Now, It's All Right (Rolling Stones); Surfin' U. S.A., Surfer Girl, Dance Dance Dance, I Get Around (Beach Boys) THE BIG TNT SHOW dir: Larry Peerce; prod: Phil Spector; studio: American International; 93 min., b/w (no video release) Phil Spector meets A.LP. on the Sunset Strip. Originally billed as The T.A.M.L Show II in preview hype, this repeat performance delivers on every level. The Lovin' Spoonful, Bo Diddley, Ray Charles, and the Ronettes all contribute riveting, electric performances in front of raging, screaming kids. Everyone has a ball with Roger Miller's underrated country numbers, and most of all, the church of Ike and Tina Turner can be built on this rock. The T.A.M.L Show ended with a dramatic show-stopping contest between James Brown and the Rolling Stones, but The Big TNT Show has no such competition, except for maybe Bo. Ike and Tina's blazing set, especially their performance of "Goodbye So Long," should wipe away 30 years of Ike's disrepute and then some. The Byrds' segment is legendary, and Petula Clark's rendition of "Downtown" is also astonishing. But the quality of the music should be no surprise, because Phil Spector produced the live orchestra. Joan Baez even turns up in a couple of numbers. For cameo appeal, Sky Saxon of the Seeds appears twice [in the audience --pm], perhaps only days after "Pushin' Too Hard" was cut. There's only one thing missing here, and that's a future. Things would change very soon, and it's in The Big TNT Sbow that we first begin to see the dividing line between '50s and '60s rock'n'roll and post-Monterey "rock." For an entire night, everyone jumps around, dances, and goes ape. Then Donovan takes the stage and suddenly the same audience sits down patiently and listens. That's the difference between a hot, boppin' sock hop and an arena seat, and this new seriousness can be seen as heralding rock'n'roll's decline. The closing of the film admonishes the viewer to "be sure to tune in for next year's show," but next year never came. Big TNT captures that final, tantalizing moment. [Domenic Priore] Favorite scenes: * The opening sequence with all the groups, kids, and dancers gallivanting on the Sunset Strip (during its peak) to Spector's M.F.Q. production "This Could Be The Night." * Roger Miller being interupted by a heckler: "Most of my songs are written about things that happened to me maybe when I was a kid, 'cause I was a kid for 11 years back in ... that's right, HIPPIE!" Songs: This Could Be the Night (Modern Folk Quartet); Satisfaction (David McCallum); Whatd I Say, Georgia on My Mind, Let the Good Times Rod (Ray Charles); Downtown, You're the One, My Love (Petula Clark); Do You Believe in Magic?, You Didn't Have to Be So Nice (Lovin' Spoonful); Hey Bo Diddley, Bo Diddley (Bo Diddley); 500 Miles, There but for Fortune (Joan Baez); You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' (Joan Baez, Phil Spector); Be My Baby, Shout (Ronettes); Dang Me, Engine Number Nine, King of the Road, England Swings (Roger Miller); Turn! Turn! Turn!, The Bells of Rbymney, Mr. Tambourine Man (Byrds); The Universal Soldier, The Reflections of a Summer Day, Bert's Blues, Sweetjoy (Donovan); Shake!, It's Gonna Work Out Fine, Please Please Please, Goodbye So Long (Ike and Tina Turner); One Two Three (Ray Charles Orchestra) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:34:07 -0000 From: Patrick Rands Subject: Re: "Before and After" Ian Chapman wrote: > This is a Van McCoy song, and it was first discussed here on > the Spectropop board way back in 2000, during a "what is soft > pop" thread.... > So although there appears to be no official recording of the > tune by Joanie, it seems there are lots of others around. Speaking of Van McCoy, anyone know what happened to his website? It now links to an Astronaut and Space Memorabilia webpage! Since this was one of the few websites out there with information on this great man, anyone know if there's another website in his honor? I have a version of Joanie Sommers performing Before and After on Hullaballoo. If anyone is interested in hearing it, I could play it to musica. I also am hoping to play Sue Raney (by request) as well, but since I have never posted to musica before can someone tell me how the schedule works? I can post these files on Thursday or Friday of this week. :Patrick -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:26:40 -0000 From: travelinwilburys Subject: re: Signed Spector photo and Signed Robert Shapiro photo!! Ebay has a great signed photo by Phil Spector at the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame and another great signed photo by his attorney Robert Shapiro (who will be very busy after today's news by the Coroner, that Lana Clarkson's death at Phil's house was a "homocide". The Spector photo is no. 3350740296 or "Phil Spector signed". The Shapiro signed photo is no. 3350736688 or "Robert Shapiro signed." Just thought some members might be interested. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:40:23 -0000 From: Ron Weekes Subject: Re: Speaking of George Steve Harvey wrote: > A very knowledgable record collector told me that > Harrison came over in 1968 to visit the US and heard > the tapes for the White Album (about to be released). > He went and remixed his cuts on the LP, but you can > only hear his remixes on albums with 'Mastered By > Capitol' in the run-off grooves. Anyone else ever heard > of this or have one of those rare White Albums? > Radically different versions from the ones that most > people know. I took the liberty of asking this question on a Beatles related list. The only reply was "urban legend." The thought is that George was listening to a test pressing. Ron Weekes -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:08:29 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: 1964 on musica - Info on Gaye Haness 45 > "Johnny Won't Surf No More," a great surf/death song from > the counter-hit factory at Pickwick/Design, and therefore > quite possibly co-written by the pre-Velvets Lou Reed. Great track - it sounds like they wrote and performed that whole album in 30 minutes. I also like The Beachnuts "Cycle Annie" from the same LP, great vocal from Lou. I lucked out a dollar 45 bin at a local used book/record store and found a gem. Gayle Haness - "I've Never Gotten Over You" b/w "Love Love and Affection" Bang B-541. Both tracks written and produced by Jeff Barry! Anyone know if this charted? -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:27:20 -0000 From: Billy G. Spradlin Subject: Re: The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No" Art Longmire wrote: > I have a 45 on the Verve Forecast label by a group called > the Oracle, titled "Don't Say No". It's a Curt Boettcher > production and I'm trying to find out if it was ever released > on a compilation CD or LP. I tried to research this record > several years ago with no success, but wondered if anyone > knows of any compilation appearances. Except for homemade compilations (Jeffery Glenn has made a nice one) and japanese bootlegs (all from vinyl dubs) much of Curt's obscure one-shot single productions haven't been legitimately reissued on CD. I guess it would be too much of a licencing nightmare for a small reissue company like Sundazed or Sonic Past Music to attempt. JFTR: The Curt Boechetter webpage is online at: Billy -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------

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