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Spectropop - Digest Number 1031



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There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Speaking of George
           From: Steve Harvey 
      2. Re: Paul Harris
           From: Steve Harvey 
      3. 1964 on musica
           From: Phil Milstein 
      4. Re: Joanie Sommers "Before and After"
           From: Frank 
      5. Information needed
           From: Herb 
      6. Jack Nitzsche Update
           From: Martin Roberts 
      7. Re. Help Needed
           From: Susan Hilton 
      8. Re: The T.A.M.I. Show
           From: Vlaovic B 
      9. Re: Help Needed
           From: Austin Powell 
     10. Poni-Tails - "Before We Say Goodnight"
           From: Don 
     11. Re: "Before and After"
           From: Ian Chapman 
     12. Re. Hitch Hikle
           From: Phil Milstein 
     13. The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No"
           From: Art Longmire 
     14. Re: TNT and TAMI Shows
           From: David Coyle 
     15. Re: The T.A.M.I. Show
           From: Steve Harvey 


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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:01:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Speaking of George A very knowledgable record collector told me that Harrison came over in 1968 to visit the US and heard the tapes for the White Album (about to be released). He went and remixed his cuts on the LP, but you can only hear his remixes on albums with 'Mastered By Capitol' in the run-off grooves. Anyone else ever heard of this or have one of those rare White Albums? Radically different versions from the ones that most people know. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 2 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: Paul Harris Elektra made a deal with the Spoons to buy their gear in return for their five cuts (4 came out on "What's Shakin'?"). It was those 5 cuts that Paul Harris produced. The Doors were not on it, but Tom Rush, Al Kooper, Eric Clapton with Stevie Windwood and the Paul Butterfield Band. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:31:32 -0400 From: Phil Milstein Subject: 1964 on musica Two additions to musica: * As recently discussed, Bobby Lee Trammell's stompin' "New Dance In France." * "Johnny Won't Surf No More," a great surf/death song from the counter-hit factory at Pickwick/Design, and therefore quite possibly co-written by the pre-Velvets Lou Reed. Enjoy, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 4 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:41:36 -0000 From: Frank Subject: Re: Joanie Sommers "Before and After" Astro wrote: > I'm sure many of you have seen this wonderful clip [Joanie > Somers "Before and After"] on the Hullaballoo video collection. > I can't find writing, production, or release information anywhere. > Has it ever been released on CD? Joanie's great performance of "Before And After" on Hullabaloo in 1965 has never been released on record or CD to my knowledge. It can only be found on the Hullabaloo home video. It was common practice at the time, that if the performer did not have a current hit record to perform, they would cover someone else's hit. In this case, "Before and After" was a current hit by Chad and Jeremy. It was also the title track on a Fleetwoods LP. Sorry, but my records are packed away for moving, so I cannot give you writer info. But it is the same song that Chad & Jeremy had as their debut 45 and LP on Columbia. Perhaps someone else can tell us who wrote the song. In 1965, Joanie Sommers was leaving Warner Bros. records after 5 years. Her TV version of "Before and After" sounds good enough to be a studio recording, but it is my belief that she either recorded it for the program, or sang it live, and never released the song. All Joanie Sommers fans are welcome to join my Yahoo Group fan club. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Joanie_Sommers/ -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:54:04 -0000 From: Herb Subject: Information needed I am hoping that someone can help me here. In 1965 (mid to late June; or during July), a programme aired from either CBS, NBC or ABC which was broadcast via a Buffalo TV station (Channel 2, 04 or 7). I believe the programme aired on a Friday evening (not 100%) sure. In any case, I watched it that evening on our black and white via an aerial. I had been excitedly looking forward to it for a week and on the evening in question a local thunderstorm threatened its reception. In any event, I watched and thoroughly enjoyed it. The programme featured a variety of pop acts popular at the time. The only problem is that my memory of the content has slipped away. However, I do remember Martha & the Vandellas doing "Nowhere To Run" as they toured a car plant, plus "Fred Munster" walking through dunes, etc., to the tune of "Land Of 1000 Dances" by Cannibal & the Headhunters. In some way, it seemed like a video montage with songs following each other. My question is: Does anyone remember the programme? More of the content? Etc.? The progamme only aired once and through time I gave no thought to it until VHS tapes started hitting the stores. Many years (1980s) ago Dick Clark Products put out "Best Of Bandstand" 1 & 2 and Motown put out videos with songs set to news of events of a particular year (1961, 1962, etc.). I thought for sure that that "1965" programme would come out in video but not so. As for the T. A. M. I. Show, a local PayTV programme aired it in its original form but that was during the early 80s before it ran into copyright problems (The Rolling Stones, Chuck Berry appeared on it). I know I taped it but all my stuff is in storage (moved). Again, my memory is bad here. Herb (Toronto) -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 6 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:03:55 +0100 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Jack Nitzsche Update The new Record Of The Week is Terry Stafford's "A Little Bit Better" and it's fab - http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/index.htm Next week, a 'Spectorish' version of "Venus" by Bobby Jason is up against a fairly 'Spectorish' "Secret Love" by Joel Hill. Nitzsche on the Radio is playing parts 2 + 3 of the drum demos. http://www.spectropop.com/JackNitzsche/radio.htm The latest "Al Hazan and Jack Nitzsche's Record of the Week" is another unreleased recording - a teen rocker by Tony Caro, "The Unwritten Law". Martin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 7 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:29:48 +0000 From: Susan Hilton Subject: Re. Help Needed Mike Dugo asked about...... > "Hitchhike" (often covered) You don't mean "Hitch Hike" (Gaye/Stevenson/Paul), do you? I was just listening to that on my new CD of "Out of Our Heads". That guitar hook (at least on the Stones' version, I haven't heard any others) reminds me so much of Lou Reed's "There She Goes Again" (actually I was thinking of REM's version of that song). -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 8 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:51:37 -0400 From: Vlaovic B Subject: Re: The T.A.M.I. Show I have a video version of the T.A.M.I. Show that omits the Rolling Stones. I understand it was contractual. It's so extreme that when in the opening song Jan & Dean mention the Rolling stones, their voices are wiped so there's a blank space in the audio track. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:05:36 +0100 From: Austin Powell Subject: Re: Help Needed Mike Dugo wrote: > I'm doing some research and need help, please, identifying > the authors of the following songs. Please respond to one > or all. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > I'm Alive by The Hollies; It's Easy Child by The Moody Blues > Hitchhike (often covered); Have Mercy (often covered) Mike: Hitchhike was written by William (Smokey) Robinson, Clarence Paul and Marvin Gaye. Hope this helps.... Austin -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 10 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:10:47 -0000 From: Don Subject: Poni-Tails - "Before We Say Goodnight" I came across a recording of The Poni-Tails' "Before We Say Goodnight" and I am trying to figure out who wrote the song. I know a song by that name was written by Carole King and Art Kaplan, but I can't figure out if this is the same song. Anybody out there have any info on this one? I think Tom Waters was our resident expert on the Poni-Tails. Don -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 11 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:20:36 -0000 From: Ian Chapman Subject: Re: "Before and After" Astro4004 wrote: > I'm sure many of you have seen this wonderful clip [Joanie > Somers "Before and After"] on the Hullaballoo video > collection. I can't find writing, production, or release > information anywhere. Astro, This is a Van McCoy song, and it was first discussed here on the Spectropop board way back in 2000, during a "what is soft pop" thread. Member Nat Kone enthused over the Chad & Jeremy version and mentioned another by the American Breed. Jamie replied praising the Fleetwoods' version. John Frank then chimed in saying "all the versions I've heard are wonderful, including the heretofore unmentioned one by Lesley Gore." So although there appears to be no official recording of the tune by Joanie, it seems there are lots of others around. Ian -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 12 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:53:23 +0000 From: Phil Milstein Subject: Re. Hitch Hikle Susan Hilton wrote: > You don't mean "Hitch Hike" (Gaye/Stevenson/Paul), do you? > I was just listening to that on my new CD of "Out of Our Heads". > That guitar hook (at least on the Stones' version, I haven't > heard any others) reminds me so much of Lou Reed's "There She > Goes Again" (actually I was thinking of REM's version of that > song). The riveting intro to the Stones' version of "Hitch Hike" is taken directly from Marvin's original. The Velvet Underground, though recycling it into a different song, did the same. If you're gonna steal, you might as well steal from the best, I always say. Thumbs up, --Phil M. -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 13 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:04:57 -0000 From: Art Longmire Subject: The Oracle (C. Boettcher), "Don't Say No" Hello All, I have a 45 on the Verve Forecast label by a group called the Oracle, titled "Don't Say No". It's a Curt Boettcher production and I'm trying to find out if it was ever released on a compilation CD or LP. I tried to research this record several years ago with no success, but wondered if anyone knows of any compilation appearances. Art Longmire -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 14 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:54:47 -0700 (PDT) From: David Coyle Subject: Re: TNT and TAMI Shows Which came first, the TAMI Show or the Big TNT Show, and were they produced by the same people? I ask this because there is an announcement at the end of the credits of the Big TNT Show to be sure to catch next year's music concert film. Was there ever a follow-up planned? I'm figuring the TAMI Show came first, since it featured a lot of surf-era artists and British Invasion groups (directly and indirectly), while the featured performers on the Big TNT Show were the Byrds and the Lovin' Spoonful. What I've always noticed about the Big TNT Show was the way the audience seemed to be a lot more rehearsed than spontaneous in their reactions to the performances. The Lovin' Spoonful get the expected reaction, and a false start for the band is followed by a slight pause and then squeals of laughter over the band's clowning. And did teenagers really go ape over Roger Miller the way they did in this film?? Seems to me he was a bit square for the TNT audience even if he did sing about how "England Swings." I suspect if they had trotted out Sheb Wooley (RIP) to sing "Purple People Eater" he would have gotten the same reaction, thanks to savvy cue card holders and impressionable teens. Donovan? Petula Clark? Come on...just how screamworthy were they even in 1965? Yet they, and even Joan Baez, are treated just like they stepped off a BOAC airliner at Kennedy Airport. Needless to say, Joan Baez and Phil Spector doing the Righteous Brothers was the kitschy, timeless(?) highlight of the show. The Ike and Tina Turner segment is a high point, if you don't think about how their offstage relationship fared. There's just so much energy there, just like Brown's legendary set from the year before. To me, the TAMI Show towered above the TNT Show for sheer star power and genuine excitement, without folkies and country raconteurs to disrupt the pace. Even if you had Jan and Dean skateboarding around the stage as their opening theme song raved about "the Rolling Stones from Liverpool." One also wonders what Chuck Berry, as flattered as he probably was by his adoration among the British groups, thought of them seguing his first hit into Gerry and the Pacemakers' version? Was this simply "old school" vs. "new wave"? The Barbarians? Classic. How did they get a spot on the TAMI Show anyway? Especially considering the song they're mostly remembered for is "Are You A Boy Or A Girl?", rather than the Beatle-boppin' "Hey Little Bird" featured in the film? I wonder why the Big TNT Show didn't feature, say, the Gants doing "Road Runner" or the Knickerbockers doing "Lies"? I'm glad AMC, before they decided to branch out into films from my own lifetime, were able to show this film as part of their rock and roll film festival. To see the show without all the graininess and blurriness and bad editing of a fifth-generation bootleg was a real experience. I just wish, as others did when the festival ran, that they could have shown us a complete, restored TAMI Show as well. David -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
Message: 15 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:17:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Harvey Subject: Re: The T.A.M.I. Show Vlaovic B wrote: > I have a video version of the T.A.M.I. Show that > omits the Rolling Stones. I understand it was contractual. > It's so extreme that when in the opening song Jan & Dean > mention the Rolling stones, their voices are wiped so there's > a blank space in the audio track. It might be wiped because they sing "the Rolling Stones from Liverpool". -------------------[ archived by Spectropop ]-------------------
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